CHANGING FLORENCE CITY DRESS CODE!!!!

I am not sure when you graduated, but I have one word for you...miniskirt.

Good point about the jacket...they are allowed to wear them & you could hide anything under there.

Yes, I did. I said a rip with skin showing would get you sent home in my day...same now....common sense rule.

Are you posting under two names?

Who is enforcing the dress code now?

What have I said that makes you think I am unconcerned with others' problems?

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Originally posted by TDFMAN:
If you insist on pushing this, the system will likely go with a full uniform. Are you good with that?

I know you didn't mean it this way, but if I were on the School Board or whoever would make this decision, I'd be insulted by that. That would mean they feel it's acceptable to disregard arguments for or against an idea, to feel no need for change, regardless if it's good or bad. I hope they are smarter than that and willing to listen to reason.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Yes, I did. I said a rip with skin showing would get you sent home in my day...same now....common sense rule.

(I missed that, I guess)

Are you posting under two names? (no)

Who is enforcing the dress code now? (TEACHERS! Day in and day out . . . Mostly. Kids know the "very simple" rules now so it's not a big issue. The DC we ahve now works. Not as good as a complete UNIFORM code but it works. You do understand that a UNIFORM code is the only reasonable alternative to allowing teachers to teach instead of being dress code police)

What have I said that makes you think I am unconcerned with others' problems?

(Whaaat? I said no such thing?)

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Originally posted by TDFMAN:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
but can see that you are completely unconcerned for me or anyone else who tells you their very real problems in meeting this dress code.

You seem to be having the same issue.

I'm sorry. I must have misunderstood. What did you mean by this?

The teachers are already enforcing the dress code...which dress code should make no difference...I'm talking about less dress code to deal with, not more...this would lesson the load on teachers, not increase it.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:

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Originally posted by TDFMAN:
If you insist on pushing this, the system will likely go with a full uniform. Are you good with that?

I know you didn't mean it this way, but if I were on the School Board or whoever would make this decision, I'd be insulted by that.

Thew board doesn't have anything to do with it. the school's policy council debates this and comes up with the rules. Then they forward it to the superintendent who might recommend the action to the board. The board either approves or rejects the measure and other than that has no input.

the people (policy council) that will design this new dress code will be a groups of appointed parents and a couple of administrators. You can call the central office and put your name in the hat to see what all goes on. If you do, you will see there is MUCH more to it than your simplistic arguments.

Unfortunately we have kids that push the limits far more than they did when I was in school.

The current dress code as it is allows kids some individuality but strictly enforces clothing that distracts from safety and learning environment.

I only stated the reality. This system must have an effective dress code policy. If folks insist on making the teachers become parents then the system won't have a choice but to go with full uniforms. That's not a threat, it;s just reality. Uniforms are rapidly becoming the norm in the US because parents dress kids like hookers and gangsters.

Don't get me wrong, I despise the idea of uniforms but I despise the idea of teachers not having time to teach even worse. Uniforms would be a very simple fix for that.

Um, if my arguments are so simplistic, why can you not grasp this one? According to you, teachers are already enforcing a dress code. Making it less severe does not change that.

If my kids were still in school, I would prefer uniforms to the current dress code.

I think you may have me confused with the originator of this thread? She is the one who is starting a petition and whose daughter added a post under her name, giving a student's POV.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Um, if my arguments are so simplistic, why can you not grasp this one? According to you, teachers are already enforcing a dress code. Making it less severe does not change that.

If my kids were still in school, I would prefer uniforms to the current dress code.
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Look, there has always been a dress code. The previous one we had a few years ago got out of hand. That is why it was addressed in the first place. Dresses were too short. Pants were hanging too much, Too many controversial images on tee shirts. Too much boobies hanging out. Kids wearing black-on-black to copy-cat the Columbine crowd. Attempt to minimize the changes of someone sneaking a gun into the school (I agree that if someone wants to, they will, but shouldn't the school at least try to prevent kids from hiding a gun under their un-tucked shirt or side pocket of cargo pants?)

The current code attempted to fix those issues with some reasonable restrictions. Here is a copy of the dress code listing prohibited items (I see trench coats are banned, btw):

Specifications
• Tops and bottoms must be of different colors or different shades of same color.
• Tops (excluding outerwear) must be tucked in completely.
• All buttoned shirts must be appropriately buttoned.
• Pants must fit at the natural waist (above the hips) and not touch the floor.
• Belts must be appropriate length with unobtrusive buckle and be buckled.
• Shorts, skorts, skirts, dresses and jumpers must not be shorter than 2” above the knee.
• Logos may be no larger than two inches by three inches, except school logos.


• Wind pants, warm-ups, athletic shorts, overalls, cargo-type pants, sweat pants or trench coats.
• Oversized clothing or clothing that is too tight.
• Camouflage wear, except that approved for JROTC and Wheeler Rifles.
• Strapless, low-cut, see-through or sleeveless dresses, skirts or tops.
• Clothing with holes, slits, patches or cuts.
• Head coverings inside school facilities.
• Clothing with symbols, signs, letters, numbers, words or pictures, other than Florence City Schools’spirit/school-approved activity wear.
• House shoes or shoes with heels higher than 2 1/2 inches.
• Jewelry that poses a safety risk and/or a distraction to the educational process.


These are all very reasonable restrictions that anyone should be able to follow (I know, I've been following them for years). "Your" way would necessarily require quite a few of the same restrictions with a relaxation of perhaps a couple. In short, your and my opinion aren't all that far apart. We simply disagree on one or two of these points. It's like disagreeing on a color shade.

The only other alternative to this that I can possibly see is a full-on uniform. I'm not opposed to that, either, but I promise all the kids would be and so would most of the parents. That is what the system tried to do a few years ago. So we've already been down that road and, after the parents got finished with hacking at it, the current code is what we ended up with.

In short, the current code was designed by folks just like you and me.

So you ahve an opportunity to change all that: Exactly what changes will you make?

Outerwear is not tucked in...defeats the purpose. It was a good try, but it fails right there.

Again, NObody is suggesting indecent clothing as an option.

Let me be specific. I was shopping for a boy. Here is the portion of the code most difficult for us to meet...

• Pants must fit at the natural waist (above the hips) and not touch the floor.

• Logos may be no larger than two inches by three inches, except school logos.

• Clothing with holes, slits, patches or cuts.

• Clothing with symbols, signs, letters, numbers, words or pictures, other than Florence City Schools’spirit/school-approved activity wear.

Girls may have issues with other portions. If she doesn't mind, fhsgrl can address that.

I'd love to explain further, but have to run. I'll try to get back on later tonight. Thank you for posting the code and for arguing with me...lol...no, I'm serious. Everyone should look at this from all sides.

My kids go to Florence. There is no difficulty in finding clothes that meet the requirements. Teachers say the students are better behaved due to the dress code. People who are arguing against it probably had trouble following the rules at school when they were young.

LOL, softball...you could not be more off base if you tried. I loved school and loved my teachers. My grandfather was a High School principal and I played in the school where he worked from the time I was able to walk.

Anyway, TDFMAN, to explain further...

• Pants must fit at the natural waist (above the hips) and not touch the floor. (Perhaps if they could allow for fashion constraints by allowing at least mid-rise jeans rather than high rise jeans only?)

• Logos may be no larger than two inches by three inches, except school logos. (This was a problem when buying shirts due to current and recent style of logos of some sort, regardless of style of shirt. It's doable, but left out Aeropostle, which is where I found the best buys for guys' shirts.)

• Clothing with holes, slits, patches or cuts. (This is another one that is so specific that it makes shopping difficult, which I've explained in a previous post. Perhaps if they could just say no skin showing to allow for jeans with the worn look?)

• Clothing with symbols, signs, letters, numbers, words or pictures, other than Florence City Schools’spirit/school-approved activity wear. (This would be the same as the problem with only allowing tiny logos...this basically leaves solid colored shirts, which is doable, boring but doable...might as well go to uniforms though, IMO.)

I did not have the funds to supply my child with two wardrobes, especially his Senior year (expensive year). Except for the few clothing items he got at Christmas & on his birthday, he got to abide by the dress code in school and out of school.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Really? Then you won't mind me making you adhere to a dress code between the hours of 7am and 4pm, right? Now, it may not be what you'd actually want to be seen in, what you will wear when you go to a family gathering, meeting friends for dinner, the ballgame, church, etc. So, you will in fact need to fork out money for two wardrobes. Not a problem, right? Some of us, raising children, don't have the funds to do that.

Actually, there are hundreds of jobs that do have dress requirements. The guy that read my meter yesterday had on jeans, a blue shirt with his name and xxx Utilities embroidered above the pocket and safety boots. All employees that work out in the field wear the exact same thing.

Most jobs in the medical field require certain type of dress. While this has gotten more slack in some areas, in others it has not. The nursing home my grandmother was in required nurses to wear solid white, aides solid green, housekeeping navy blue and dietary light blue.

My husband's previous job was in a conservative business environment. Women had to wear skirts that were knee length or pants that covered the ankle, meaning no crop pants. He wore a white, long sleeved shirt, dark pants and a tie everyday for nearly 16 years. And no, that wasn't what he wore to ballgames, family reunions etc.

Granted, the college years are pretty much everything goes, but past that, the "real" world is going to have restrictions, too.

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Originally posted by flhgrl:
ANYONE can sign.
This is for the Florence City School system.
Uniforms would be o.k. But, shouldn't our childred be able to express their own individuality?? Of course........No clevage, No Butt Cracks showing, No see through shirts, or profanity on the clothes. Right now the only clothes they can wear are Plain shirts (no writing) unless it says: Florence Falcons. They have to wear shorts that go to their knee's. Skirts that go down past the knee. They HAVE to tuck in there shirts and with a belt. NO UNTUCKED SHIRTS ALLOWED! And did you know that if they don't wear their Florece Falcon shirts on Fridays.......they have to have silent lunch and can not participate in outdoor activities. NO, they have to sit inside and write the HONOR CODE! This is ALL WRONG!
But!..........The teachers can wear sleeveless shirts and short skirts. I asked the councelor why SHE got to dress that way. Her response was......"THAT IS THE PERKS OF BEING FACULTY". Hmmmm......Shouldn't they abide by their own rules??? These children all look like they just walked out of a Golf store. A bunch of GEEKS! (no offense to anyone please).
Back to the Uniforms. I talked with Dr. Behrends today and she said Uniforms are the way she wanted to go. And I said that Florence City would have to pay for these. "SHE DIDN'T LIKE THAT" She said......NO.
I mean.........if you have a child in the Florence City Schools system and have tried to school clothes shop for them, YOU know what I am talking about.
PLEASE HELP!

I apologize if you've given the answer to this question in another post. I haven't had time to read the entire thread.

Are you a student or a parent?

beebo, I think the kids are fine with restrictions just like they will have in the 'real' world. What they have now is over the top. Outside of a job that requires you to wear their uniform (most jobs do not), no boss is this restrictive.

I worked as a legal secretary in Tuscaloosa. I was expected to dress professionally. It's very easy to do that with your own taste in clothing. If I had been as restricted as these kids, I would have sought other employment because it's would mean my boss is nuts.

If there is a logical reason for the restrictions, fine, but if not, why are you doing it?

JMHO

CORRECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The FLORENCE CITY SCHOOLBOARD MEETING Is NOT April 11th. It is March 11th which is next Thursday.
I will be at the 7pts. McDonals on this Saturday 3-6-2010 @ 4:00p.m. on the outdoor patio. for anyone wishing to sign the "DRESS CODE" Petition.

Also, the children at Hibbet Middle School that DON'T wear their TEAM SHIRTS on Fridays get penalized! That goes against the 1st Amendment!!!!
Hope to see you there!!!

Will the petition list the changes being proposed?

You ought to see if you can get media coverage for your meeting. The TD at least ought to cover it.

I probably don't think the dress code is as awful as you do, but I think there is always room for improvement.

If kids are being singled out for failing to wear the school shirt, that's not right. They should get the usual penalty for breaking the dress code, not some kind of isolation treatment.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
LOL, softball...you could not be more off base if you tried. I loved school and loved my teachers. My grandfather was a High School principal and I played in the school where he worked from the time I was able to walk.

Anyway, TDFMAN, to explain further...

• Pants must fit at the natural waist (above the hips) and not touch the floor. (Perhaps if they could allow for fashion constraints by allowing at least mid-rise jeans rather than high rise jeans only?)

• Logos may be no larger than two inches by three inches, except school logos. (This was a problem when buying shirts due to current and recent style of logos of some sort, regardless of style of shirt. It's doable, but left out Aeropostle, which is where I found the best buys for guys' shirts.)

• Clothing with holes, slits, patches or cuts. (This is another one that is so specific that it makes shopping difficult, which I've explained in a previous post. Perhaps if they could just say no skin showing to allow for jeans with the worn look?)

• Clothing with symbols, signs, letters, numbers, words or pictures, other than Florence City Schools’spirit/school-approved activity wear. (This would be the same as the problem with only allowing tiny logos...this basically leaves solid colored shirts, which is doable, boring but doable...might as well go to uniforms though, IMO.)

I did not have the funds to supply my child with two wardrobes, especially his Senior year (expensive year). Except for the few clothing items he got at Christmas & on his birthday, he got to abide by the dress code in school and out of school.

I've got no issues with low-rise jeans as long as the moms don't let their little girls walk out with the skin showing starting just above the pubic area or showing their cracks when they bend over or sit at a desk. With the ubiquity of cell/picture phones, there's just too much liability for the school there.

"No skin showing" on slitted jeans seems fairly reasonable at first glance. However, the school may be trying to instill some sort of pride in how they dress in "the real world." That's what school is for, right? Part of my job is hiring and firing people. fully 3/4 of the kids who apply at my employers place of business come in wearing flip-flops and torn up jeans and I'm assuming they think it is appropriate in a business setting. If parents aren't teaching them how to dress appropriately, then who does that leave? I'd be in favor of letting that one stand. Once the go to college, they are adults and can learn their own ways but the schools, unfortunately, are burdened with instilling pride in dress these days because parents certainly don't give a dang any more. The previous "almost anything goes" dress code proved that.

Symbols and patches? Again you place the burden on the teachers to decide what symbols and logos are appropriate and not. I'd not be in favor of ANY extra work placed on teachers. It's just not worth it. sorry, but I got to disagree with this one.

I don't see how you think you "have" to purchase two wardrobes. My kids have their Sunday stuff and school stuff and then a bunch of tee-shirts they wear everywhere else. Unless you child like to dress "emo" I just can't see your point there.

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Originally posted by willsfc:
I hated the dress code when i went there. Thats one thing i like about college, i can dress comfortably.

Wait till you get out of college and get a job. It'll be back to dress codes for you. Weekends are made for dressing anyway you want. I agree with dress codes for school 100%.

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Originally posted by TDFMAN:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
LOL, softball...you could not be more off base if you tried. I loved school and loved my teachers. My grandfather was a High School principal and I played in the school where he worked from the time I was able to walk.

Anyway, TDFMAN, to explain further...

• Pants must fit at the natural waist (above the hips) and not touch the floor. (Perhaps if they could allow for fashion constraints by allowing at least mid-rise jeans rather than high rise jeans only?)

• Logos may be no larger than two inches by three inches, except school logos. (This was a problem when buying shirts due to current and recent style of logos of some sort, regardless of style of shirt. It's doable, but left out Aeropostle, which is where I found the best buys for guys' shirts.)

• Clothing with holes, slits, patches or cuts. (This is another one that is so specific that it makes shopping difficult, which I've explained in a previous post. Perhaps if they could just say no skin showing to allow for jeans with the worn look?)

• Clothing with symbols, signs, letters, numbers, words or pictures, other than Florence City Schools’spirit/school-approved activity wear. (This would be the same as the problem with only allowing tiny logos...this basically leaves solid colored shirts, which is doable, boring but doable...might as well go to uniforms though, IMO.)

I did not have the funds to supply my child with two wardrobes, especially his Senior year (expensive year). Except for the few clothing items he got at Christmas & on his birthday, he got to abide by the dress code in school and out of school.

I've got no issues with low-rise jeans as long as the moms don't let their little girls walk out with the skin showing starting just above the pubic area or showing their cracks when they bend over or sit at a desk. With the ubiquity of cell/picture phones, there's just too much liability for the school there.

I said MID, not low. What you said has NOTHING to do with what I posted. Whatever.

"No skin showing" on slitted jeans seems fairly reasonable at first glance. However, the school may be trying to instill some sort of pride in how they dress in "the real world." That's what school is for, right? Part of my job is hiring and firing people. fully 3/4 of the kids who apply at my employers place of business come in wearing flip-flops and torn up jeans and I'm assuming they think it is appropriate in a business setting. If parents aren't teaching them how to dress appropriately, then who does that leave? I'd be in favor of letting that one stand. Once the go to college, they are adults and can learn their own ways but the schools, unfortunately, are burdened with instilling pride in dress these days because parents certainly don't give a dang any more. The previous "almost anything goes" dress code proved that.

Yes, it is reasonable. Thank you. They are not going to the courthouse to represent their client, people. They are going to school. Therefore, what is appropriate FOR SCHOOL is what they should be wearing. What you are teaching them is that people in authority are completely illogical. Let us hope that is not the case. I don't happen to believe that it is. Again, NOBODY...please hear me this time....NOBODY IS SUGGESTING INAPPROPRIATE CLOTHING. THAT IS A GROSS EXAGGERATION.

Symbols and patches? Again you place the burden on the teachers to decide what symbols and logos are appropriate and not. I'd not be in favor of ANY extra work placed on teachers. It's just not worth it. sorry, but I got to disagree with this one. That IS the current dress code. What are you talking about? They decide that now. I got that from the copy of the dress code YOU posted. All I mentioned is that they back off a little on the tears, rips, worn look thing & just say "no exposed skin".

I don't see how you think you "have" to purchase two wardrobes. My kids have their Sunday stuff and school stuff and then a bunch of tee-shirts they wear everywhere else. Unless you child like to dress "emo" I just can't see your point there. The current dress code IS emo...lol. High-rise pants are about as goober as it gets, but that IS the current dress code.

What a power kick y'all have. Geez. Even when it's clear that there is no logical reason for the extreme portions of this dress code, you insist on keeping it. No one has presented a logical argument for the extreme portion of it. Yet, you still think it should continue. I don't know what you think you are teaching this kids...that people suck I guess...great lesson. I think they got it.

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I will be at ricebox Saturday from 11:00-10:00 collecting signatures for Florence City Schools to change to uniforms. By the way... Weren't there TWO incidents involving guns at seperate Alabama high school campuses today? I think we have bigger fish to fry in public schools... Sorry.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:

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Originally posted by TDFMAN:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
LOL, softball...you could not be more off base if you tried. I loved school and loved my teachers. My grandfather was a High School principal and I played in the school where he worked from the time I was able to walk.

Anyway, TDFMAN, to explain further...

• Pants must fit at the natural waist (above the hips) and not touch the floor. (Perhaps if they could allow for fashion constraints by allowing at least mid-rise jeans rather than high rise jeans only?)

• Logos may be no larger than two inches by three inches, except school logos. (This was a problem when buying shirts due to current and recent style of logos of some sort, regardless of style of shirt. It's doable, but left out Aeropostle, which is where I found the best buys for guys' shirts.)

• Clothing with holes, slits, patches or cuts. (This is another one that is so specific that it makes shopping difficult, which I've explained in a previous post. Perhaps if they could just say no skin showing to allow for jeans with the worn look?)

• Clothing with symbols, signs, letters, numbers, words or pictures, other than Florence City Schools’spirit/school-approved activity wear. (This would be the same as the problem with only allowing tiny logos...this basically leaves solid colored shirts, which is doable, boring but doable...might as well go to uniforms though, IMO.)

I did not have the funds to supply my child with two wardrobes, especially his Senior year (expensive year). Except for the few clothing items he got at Christmas & on his birthday, he got to abide by the dress code in school and out of school.

I've got no issues with low-rise jeans as long as the moms don't let their little girls walk out with the skin showing starting just above the pubic area or showing their cracks when they bend over or sit at a desk. With the ubiquity of cell/picture phones, there's just too much liability for the school there.

I said MID, not low. What you said has NOTHING to do with what I posted. Whatever.

"No skin showing" on slitted jeans seems fairly reasonable at first glance. However, the school may be trying to instill some sort of pride in how they dress in "the real world." That's what school is for, right? Part of my job is hiring and firing people. fully 3/4 of the kids who apply at my employers place of business come in wearing flip-flops and torn up jeans and I'm assuming they think it is appropriate in a business setting. If parents aren't teaching them how to dress appropriately, then who does that leave? I'd be in favor of letting that one stand. Once the go to college, they are adults and can learn their own ways but the schools, unfortunately, are burdened with instilling pride in dress these days because parents certainly don't give a dang any more. The previous "almost anything goes" dress code proved that.

Yes, it is reasonable. Thank you. They are not going to the courthouse to represent their client, people. They are going to school. Therefore, what is appropriate FOR SCHOOL is what they should be wearing. What you are teaching them is that people in authority are completely illogical. Let us hope that is not the case. I don't happen to believe that it is. Again, NOBODY...please hear me this time....NOBODY IS SUGGESTING INAPPROPRIATE CLOTHING. THAT IS A GROSS EXAGGERATION.

Symbols and patches? Again you place the burden on the teachers to decide what symbols and logos are appropriate and not. I'd not be in favor of ANY extra work placed on teachers. It's just not worth it. sorry, but I got to disagree with this one. That IS the current dress code. What are you talking about? They decide that now. I got that from the copy of the dress code YOU posted. All I mentioned is that they back off a little on the tears, rips, worn look thing & just say "no exposed skin".

I don't see how you think you "have" to purchase two wardrobes. My kids have their Sunday stuff and school stuff and then a bunch of tee-shirts they wear everywhere else. Unless you child like to dress "emo" I just can't see your point there. The current dress code IS emo...lol. High-rise pants are about as goober as it gets, but that IS the current dress code.

What a power kick y'all have. Geez. Even when it's clear that there is no logical reason for the extreme portions of this dress code, you insist on keeping it. No one has presented a logical argument for the extreme portion of it. Yet, you still think it should continue. I don't know what you think you are teaching this kids...that people suck I guess...great lesson. I think they got it.

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Wow.

I thought we were just having a conversation. I gave what I thought were some thoughtful, reasoned excuses for keeping the current code. To be honest, I don't really care all that much but it is very obvious that you do.

I was just offering the other side of the story. I do not understand why you seem so bent out of shape.

I'm outta here on this one. Good luck with your mission.

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Originally posted by TDFMAN:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
We all had dress codes in school. A rip with your skin showing would get you sent home then...absolutely possible to do the same now. There's no need to be extreme with a dress code to accomplish that. A little common sense is better.

Yeah, we had a dress code but people just didn't dress that way when I was in school. We simply didn't wear jeans that had holes big enough to show your butt.

I guess there was the "tube top" craze but that was as far as it got.

I can dang sure tell you that no guys walked around with their underwear showing and girls didn't wear their bras on the outside.

Things are different now.

Good point about the school shooting thing. I have no idea.

Are trench coats banned in FCS?

YES! NO TRENCH COATS ALLOWED! Also, no Zip up Hoodies, Coats can NOT be worn in school at all. BUT....The majority of the kids wear these UGG Boots That you could fit 2 hand guns in each boot!! There is one to think about!

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Originally posted by TDFMAN:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
From 5th to 12th grade, we have to dress according to this "code," and it's hard to find clothes according to the latest trends that are appropriate for school. It would be nice to get rid of tucking in shirts, making it to where we can wear appropriate shirts with pictures and writing, and stuff like that. I don't want it to where girls and guys can where WHATEVER. No short shorts, no low cut shirts, no sagging; stuff like that. 2" above the knee for shorts is a little long for shorts, but no bootie shorts. I agree with my mom. Everyone wants to wear peace signs and stuff. My brothers like wearing motorcycles and pokemon and things that boys like.
I would be more that happy to sign the petition flhgrl. As would most of my friends at school.

A petition would be a complete waste of time. The "system" already knows that virtually every kid in school dislikes the dress code.

Let go back in time to the reason this code came into being: The system had 5th grade girls who's mother dressed them up like Britney Spears with mini dresses up to their butt cracks.

Guys sagged so that half their butt showed, too. White guys were wearing Confederate tee-shirts. Black folks were wearing Black Power shirts.

In all, it was just a mess.

So the system WANTED to institute a true uniform. There was so much outrage that it was cut back and watered down to what we have now.

Those that complain they can't find clothes need to get a life. The rules are very, ery simple. No huge logos. No tee-shirts with any sort of message. No short dresses. No boobs hanging out. No sagging.

Shirts must be tucked in for two reasons: 1. That's how you are expected to dress in the "real" world. 2. untucked shirts can hide guns or other weapons. That is also why "cargo" pants are not allowed: too much hiding places.

So the current dress code is what it is because PARENTS aren't doing their job.

I find it a little disturbing that parents want to allow their girls to wear mini-dresses. With the ubiquity of picture-taking cell phones, do you really want your daughter's private parts texted around thw whole school?

If this dress code is brought up again, wht will happen is that true uniforms will be instituted. That is the only way to stop the teachers from having to take time to enforce the rules.

So be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

So there is no middle between mini dresses up to the butt and comfort? It’s simple: skirts and shorts at appropriate lengths; no obscene writing on shirts; no sagging. I agree with Joy on the common sense approach.

As for your comment about shirts worn tucked in because “that’s how you are expected to dress in the real world”, that’s not so. I work in a corporate casual environment and very few people tuck in their shirts anymore. Somehow, work still gets done. When I work from home, I’m quite often in pajamas and am actually more productive because I’m comfortable.

Side note: Thank God women aren’t required to wear pantyhose in the workplace anymore – at least not in more progressive areas of the country anyway. I’m happy to say that I haven’t worn pantyhose in over ten years. Nothing more uncomfortable than tugging at those all day. What torture! A man must have invented them.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Um, if my arguments are so simplistic, why can you not grasp this one? According to you, teachers are already enforcing a dress code. Making it less severe does not change that.

If my kids were still in school, I would prefer uniforms to the current dress code.

I think you may have me confused with the originator of this thread? She is the one who is starting a petition and whose daughter added a post under her name, giving a student's POV.

I "FLHGRL" am the originator of this forum. And NO I did NOT have a daughter post anything under me. YOU have got me confused with someone els too sweetie!

If you all think that dresses, suits and ties are the only way to go to get work accomplished in “the real world”, I invite you to take a look at Google’s “dress policy” and company culture. The forward thinkers who started this company realized that if they treated their employees well, they’d get more work done. What a concept.

Google Company Culture (as stated on company overview site):

“Google is a high-energy, fast paced work environment. While the dress code might be “casual” the company attracts and retains some of the brightest minds in the technology industry. There is a work hard, play hard atmosphere. The Google Mountain View, CA headquarters (aka “the Googleplex”) is a campus-like environment. There are workout facilities, a café, well stocked snack rooms, and a dorm like environment.”

I would say it’s working pretty well considering Google constantly lands on the list of best places to work and they never have a shortage of resumes; quality, well-educated people are lining up to work there. They seem to be a pretty darn successful company to boot.

In the future, we’re going to see our technology-savvy kids start more companies like Google. These kids grew up seeing how their parents were treated in “the real world”: jobs often downsized or given more work and stress than one person can handle - in other words, dispensable; they don’t want that. And the 8 to 5 workday is becoming a thing of the past, too. People are finding ways to work from home and work for themselves, not having their creativity stifled by antiquated rules made by stuffed shirts.

The old way is certainly not the only - or best - way. Some people are starting to figure out that all that matters is the work gets done.

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Originally posted by Small talker:
I will be at ricebox Saturday from 11:00-10:00 collecting signatures for Florence City Schools to change to uniforms. By the way... Weren't there TWO incidents involving guns at seperate Alabama high school campuses today? I think we have bigger fish to fry in public schools... Sorry.

I AGREE! If we can't change it a little bit. We should definately go to Uniforms!
But you said you were going to be at the Rice Box on Saturday. Do you mean from 10 to 11???
I'll be at McDonalds Saturday from 3 to 5.
Good luck!!

Sorry about that, flhgrl ...that was momma3x and her daughter.

TDFMAN, I apologize (must be apology day for me). My frustration should not be directed at you. I work with teens at my church and when it seems people are disregarding them or getting power happy with them, it really bothers me. Good example...Hearing an apathetic "if you think it's bad now, wait until you get in the real world" when the world many of these kids have now is almost too much for them to handle.

I don't really know how I feel about the school dress codes. They do seem a little restrictive to me. And as far as the "real world" or setting examples, hang out at a local courthouse some day. People wear stuff to court that I wouldn't work on my car in. Sagging, hats, dresses that look like shirts they are so short, all manner of T-shirts with messages and profanity, etc. I'm no prude and I'm not advocating dresses and suits for regular folk going to court. But c'mon, people, show some respect for the court and yourself.

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Originally posted by lawguy07:
I don't really know how I feel about the school dress codes. They do seem a little restrictive to me. And as far as the "real world" or setting examples, hang out at a local courthouse some day. People wear stuff to court that I wouldn't work on my car in. Sagging, hats, dresses that look like shirts they are so short, all manner of T-shirts with messages and profanity, etc. I'm no prude and I'm not advocating dresses and suits for regular folk going to court. But c'mon, people, show some respect for the court and yourself.

amen! people should have more respect for themselves and others and not dress trashy and inappropriatly around town in respectful businesses! wear your hoochie clothes to the bars and clubs! not to the courthouse or walmart!!

Why don't all schools wear prison uniforms! Maybe even with shackles Just sarcasm there! I dress different everyday. One day I may dress like a "prep", the next day I may dress like a "rock star". The key is to PUNISH the ones who go WAAAAAYYYY OVERBOARD. Don't PUNISH everyone for what a few are doing.

One of the most often heard complaints I hear is that kids don't want to tuck their shirts in. The reason the current code disallows that is because of safety. The code requires that the "belt line" be visible at all times. That's why kids can't even wear a coat inside the school. It is a sad reality of the times we live in.

I don't know if this is "over the top" or not but it sure is an eye opener:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9FF3LQlhBs

So is this just BS? Should the system keep this part of the code or not?

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Originally posted by TDFMAN:
One of the most often heard complaints I hear is that kids don't want to tuck their shirts in. The reason the current code disallows that is because of safety. The code requires that the "belt line" be visible at all times. That's why kids can't even wear a coat inside the school. It is a sad reality of the times we live in.

I don't know if this is "over the top" or not but it sure is an eye opener:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9FF3LQlhBs

So is this just BS? Should the system keep this part of the code or not?

A very good demonstration. Many high school kids and their parents have trouble understanding spoken or written logic. This kind of visual demonstration should wake them up to reality!

I think the demonstration is a bit silly. First, no one could actually move around with all that junk in their pants. Can someone conceal a gun inside their pants? Sure. That's what metal detectors and/or wands are for. The courthouses don't make you tuck your shirts in. They check for weapons at the door. Well actually Colbert County doesn't care if you shoot up the first floor. The metal detectors are up on the 2nd floor. But I digress. Personally I think it's demeaning for some people to be required to tuck in all types of shirts. Some larger kids, especially females, would prefer not to emphasize their figure by tucking in their shirt. I don't want to tuck in my shirt all the time. I realize we have more school violence than we used to. But as mentioned, these dress codes are like using a cannon to kill a mosquito. Certain clothes are of course inappropriate at school. But I'm not a fan of the shirt tucking requirement or the "uniform" look at public schools. Kids need to be able to have some form of individuality at that age. Yeah, I know there are other ways to express individuality. But good grief, it's no wonder record numbers of kids are dropping out of school. We're making it so there is no enjoyment at all there.

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Originally posted by lawguy07:
But as mentioned, these dress codes are like using a cannon to kill a mosquito

Good analogy. The fact of the matter is that if a kid wants to bring a gun into school, they will carry it in the wadded-up coat that they can't wear inside, or in a book bag or in a sock.

Upon reflection, this "waist band visible at all times" requirement fits your analogy well.