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So 9 innocent lives were taken by a single man. As we all grapple with this tragedy, I can't help but be moved by the readiness to forgive by the family members. Quite frankly, I found it shocking that they made such forgiving and loving statements 24 hours after the massacre. Praying for mercy on the assailants soul.
That's pretty remarkable. I've always considered myself to be a "decent" Christian but man, I sure wouldn't be that quick to forgive.
I suppose this reminds me of Jesus forgiving his killers before he had even passed. (Forgive them, they know not what they do....)
Anyway, what an excellent testimony to charitable hearts and Christ like behavior. Certainly made me stop and think..... Hope it did for all y'all too. Cheers, Veep
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I'm not sure of the hierarchy of Clementa Pinckney's church, but unless the head of the congregation gives permission, guns aren't allowed in churches in S. Carolina. Unless Pinckney was the head of the congregation the NRA board member misspoke, but even if the NRA guy was correct, that's just bad taste!

 

 

Where Can A Concealed Weapons Holder Walk Around With A Gun In South Carolina?

It is actually easier to explain where the CWP holder cannot carry a handgun in South Carolina.  Everywhere else is okay, as long as it is CONCEALED.  Unlike some states, South Carolina is not an “open carry” state.  The gun must be concealed and the holder must have a CWP.  The CWP holder can carry the gun everywhere except the following places:

  • Police stations, Sheriff’s departments, jails or prisons or other law enforcement facilities.
  • Restaurants that serve alcohol by the glass UNLESS you are not drinking
  • Courthouses and courtrooms
  • Polling places on election days
  • School or college athletic events not related to firearms
  • Offices or meeting places of government entities
  • Daycares and preschools
  • Places where firearms are prohibited by federal laws
  • Churches or religious sanctuaries unless permission is given by the head of the facility
  • Hospitals, medical clinics, doctor’s offices or other places where medical services are rendered unless given permission by the head of the facility
  • Homes, apartments, or other dwellings unless you have the express permission of the person living at the residence
  • Business or other establishments that post “No Concealed Weapons Allowed” signs or that otherwise express that they do not want concealed weapons on their premises 
  • If you do bring a gun to a school or a college of any kind, don’t carry the gun on you.  It must be in the closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle
  • Homes, apartments, or other dwellings unless you have the express permission of the person living at the residence
  • Any person may carry a concealed weapon from their automobile to a hotel room that he has rented
  • http://www.lowcountrylawyerssc...s-in-south-carolina/
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Times Daily, 6-20-15, page A5

NRA board member blames slain pastor for the shootings.  

Houston attorney Charles Cotton confirmed writing that "innocent people died because of (Clementa Pinckney's) position on a political issue."

Is this a typical NRA response?

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The NRA distanced itself from Board Member Cotton's remarks, saying individual board members "do not have the authority to speak for the NRA."

http://www.motherjones.com/pol...on-mass-shooting-nra

 

If the NRA had any integrity, it would distance itself from Cotton.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Which NRA spokesman said "your dead kid ( or was it child) don't trump my second amendment rights?

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That was "Joe the Plumber". According to the Supreme Court, it was also a true statement. As the pro-infanticide fringe groups have pointed out on the abortion issue, the Supreme Court has decided the issue; deal with it!

Allowed or not there are many Churches, all over, where one or more members are carrying concealed weapons. There are some where some volunteers are watching over the parking areas and contained within some inner room, readily accessible, are some means to meet or counter some attack upon the Church or it's members.  

 

It's sad that today some people have to think that way or think about doing that but what with ISIS or Radical Islam as well as others who may have reason to harm the innocent people have to do things that were once unthinkable.

 

Not judging one way or another but just saying not all Churches are unprotected.

Originally Posted by gbrk:

Allowed or not there are many Churches, all over, where one or more members are carrying concealed weapons. There are some where some volunteers are watching over the parking areas and contained within some inner room, readily accessible, are some means to meet or counter some attack upon the Church or it's members.  

 

It's sad that today some people have to think that way or think about doing that but what with ISIS or Radical Islam as well as others who may have reason to harm the innocent people have to do things that were once unthinkable.

 

Not judging one way or another but just saying not all Churches are unprotected.

 

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Right you are!

 

Applies to Charleston churches as well.

 

PS - LEOs attend church.

 

Originally Posted by gbrk:

Allowed or not there are many Churches, all over, where one or more members are carrying concealed weapons. There are some where some volunteers are watching over the parking areas and contained within some inner room, readily accessible, are some means to meet or counter some attack upon the Church or it's members.  

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I thought God always answered prayers? If that's true, why aren't church people praying for protection? Seems that would be all it would take. Ask, & wa la! They're protected, no need for guns.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by gbrk:

Allowed or not there are many Churches, all over, where one or more members are carrying concealed weapons. There are some where some volunteers are watching over the parking areas and contained within some inner room, readily accessible, are some means to meet or counter some attack upon the Church or it's members.  

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I thought God always answered prayers? If that's true, why aren't church people praying for protection? Seems that would be all it would take. Ask, & wa la! They're protected, no need for guns.

 

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But since you don't believe that then you must believe it's okay to arm up in church.

 

And being the believer that I am, it's because of a lack of faith in some of my fellow men is why I do carry.  God needs his Peacemakers. 

 

Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 

I thought God always answered prayers? If that's true, why aren't church people praying for protection? Seems that would be all it would take. Ask, & wa la! They're protected, no need for guns.

 

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I'm thinking the reason God manages requests, IOU's, texts, free stuff

and personal enhancements the way he does is because he equipped

us with a free will and common sense. Neither of which we have been

very clever with when activated.

 

The -- Ask, & wa la! -- was for the non free will scenario. That was vetoed.

Jesus wanted to see want we were made of --- I guess we showed him....

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Vplee:
I have to say, it's been so nice to hear heartwarming stories of this community getting together! So much better than the nonsense in Baltimore, Ferguson. Makes me wonder though, why so calm and forgiving in Charleston do you think? Is it the church factor or the "not a cop" factor?
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Veep, on April 4th, there was a "cop factor."
How soon we forget.
But there was no Ferguson.  No Baltimore, either.
The church, law enforcement, and politicians all played a role
But to understand why is to understand that Charleston is a special place and its the good folks there make it so.
I've never been so proud.
It's personal.
 

It's awful to say but you can look at him and see something is very wrong. He looks mentally challenged. If shown his picture and given no background I'd say some form of Down's Syndrome. I am not insinuating anything about people with Down's, I am commenting on his look. All the people with Down's that I have been around are very sweet natured.

Another 'wait and see' thing. Maybe there will be answers down the road, maybe not. They're calling it a racist thing. I don't believe that but most likely they'll run with that and never really try to find out what motivated him.

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

It's awful to say but you can look at him and see something is very wrong. He looks mentally challenged. If shown his picture and given no background I'd say some form of Down's Syndrome. I am not insinuating anything about people with Down's, I am commenting on his look. All the people with Down's that I have been around are very sweet natured.

Another 'wait and see' thing. Maybe there will be answers down the road, maybe not. They're calling it a racist thing. I don't believe that but most likely they'll run with that and never really try to find out what motivated him.

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I believe Roof was both mentally ill and a racsist terrorist; another case where family and friends should have intervened. Someone who abuses drugs and talks about commiting murder-suicide is a prime candidate for state mental institutions. While Roof may be mentally ill, I believe he knew right from wrong so not a candidate for the insanity plea.

 

There is reason to believe that if just one of the people in Dylann Roof’s life had called 911 to report that a family member of theirs (or a friend of theirs) who owned a gun and used drugs was speaking about starting a race war and killing himself, that Roof would have been picked up by police and transported to an emergency room. Once there, he might well have voiced those very same beliefs to a psychiatrist. After all, Roof wasn’t shy about sharing his bizarre opinions. That could have led to him being admitted to a locked psychiatric unit, being detoxed from street drugs and being treated with the right psychiatric medicine. And, then, all this might not have happened.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion...elp-dylann-roof.html

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

It's awful to say but you can look at him and see something is very wrong. He looks mentally challenged. If shown his picture and given no background I'd say some form of Down's Syndrome. I am not insinuating anything about people with Down's, I am commenting on his look. All the people with Down's that I have been around are very sweet natured.

Another 'wait and see' thing. Maybe there will be answers down the road, maybe not. They're calling it a racist thing. I don't believe that but most likely they'll run with that and never really try to find out what motivated him.

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There is NOTHING in his appearance or in the record of his actions and writings that would lead any knowledgeable person to suggest that he was a victim of Down ( not "Down's") Syndrome.

Maybe not to you beternnun, but to me he has the look, but I never suggested he was a victim of it. I said, now read carefully, IF shown his picture and given no background, I'd say some form of Down's Syndrome. Got that Gomer? In other words, if I didn't know better. I posted that because of the way he looked. I didn't want a doofus like you coming along and saying I was insinuating people with Down's would shoot up a place so I added this, "I am not insinuating anything about people with Down's, I am commenting on his look. All the people with Down's that I have been around are very sweet natured". They are. Sweet and loveable. I didn't mention his writings you ignoramus. BTW 'professor' dumb***-

 

Down's Syndrome

Down's syndrome is clearly the most common and recognizable genetic syndrome known, although at times the physical features may be difficult to identify in a newborn. This hispanic infant has fairly typical facial features of Down's syndrome: upslanting palpebral fissures, a suggestion of epicanthal folds, and a flat nasal bridge.

Stanford

School of Medicine

Newborn Nursery at LCPH

http://newborns.stanford.edu/PhotoGallery/Downs1.html

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

dylan roof

 

This is the photo that most makes me think of a person with Down's Syndrome. There are others of him that have that look as well. And again, IF I HADN'T KNOW BETTER THAT IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT.

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Stay with your day job.  You will never make it as a medical diagnostician.

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

If all the members had been armed, there would have probably been 39 killed.

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You're probably right.


I think pretty much everybody on this forum knows you two hoplophobes are out of touch with reality.  One is senile and the other is stoopid, I'll let y'all figure which is which.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...shooting-in-chicago/

 

http://bearingarms.com/yes-con...pped-mass-shootings/

 

http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/man...rry-stops-slaughter/

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/15623...e-is-carrying-a-gun/

 

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/0...-carry-holder-saves/

 

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org...it-stops-man-shotgun

 

http://www.tpnn.com/2015/01/01...un-and-returns-fire/

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Maybe not to you beternnun, but to me he has the look, but I never suggested he was a victim of it. [I never said that you did; I merely offered my opinion that nothing in his appearance, actions, or writings was indicative of that condition.] I said, now read carefully, IF shown his picture and given no background, I'd say some form of Down's Syndrome. Got that Gomer? In other words, if I didn't know better. I posted that because of the way he looked. I didn't want a doofus like you coming along and saying I was insinuating people with Down's would shoot up a place so I added this, "I am not insinuating anything about people with Down's, I am commenting on his look. All the people with Down's that I have been around are very sweet natured". They are. Sweet and loveable. I didn't mention his writings you ignoramus. BTW 'professor' dumb***-[I never said that you mentioned his writings.  As part of my overall contribution to the discussion, I merely cited the lack of anything in his known writings that would be indicative of Down Syndrome. Just trying to view the situation comprehensively.  I suppose that bothers you, seeing you are trying to limit what I can and can enter into discuaaion by way of the question you raised about his condition. ]

 

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Maybe not to you beternnun, but to me he has the look, but I never suggested he was a victim of it. [I never said that you did; I merely offered my opinion that nothing in his appearance, actions, or writings was indicative of that condition.] I said, now read carefully, IF shown his picture and given no background, I'd say some form of Down's Syndrome. Got that Gomer? In other words, if I didn't know better. I posted that because of the way he looked. I didn't want a doofus like you coming along and saying I was insinuating people with Down's would shoot up a place so I added this, "I am not insinuating anything about people with Down's, I am commenting on his look. All the people with Down's that I have been around are very sweet natured". They are. Sweet and loveable. I didn't mention his writings you ignoramus. BTW 'professor' dumb***-[I never said that you mentioned his writings.  As part of my overall contribution to the discussion, I merely cited the lack of anything in his known writings that would be indicative of Down Syndrome. Just trying to view the situation comprehensively.  I suppose that bothers you, seeing you are trying to limit what I can and can enter into discuaaion by way of the question you raised about his condition. ]

 

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I didn't 'raise' any questions about his condition. I never said he had any condition. Get that through your head. It's just like some people look like different things. Some people look like their dogs. He LOOKS like a person with a form of Down's Syndrome. Why even mention his writings? Face it, you did it again, trying to say I thought he had Down's Syndrome. I also said michelle obama looks like a man. Do I think she's a man? If she ever had surgery to become a male they wouldn't have to do a lot. It would be day surgery.

 

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Maybe not to you beternnun, but to me he has the look, but I never suggested he was a victim of it. [I never said that you did; I merely offered my opinion that nothing in his appearance, actions, or writings was indicative of that condition.] I said, now read carefully, IF shown his picture and given no background, I'd say some form of Down's Syndrome. Got that Gomer? In other words, if I didn't know better. I posted that because of the way he looked. I didn't want a doofus like you coming along and saying I was insinuating people with Down's would shoot up a place so I added this, "I am not insinuating anything about people with Down's, I am commenting on his look. All the people with Down's that I have been around are very sweet natured". They are. Sweet and loveable. I didn't mention his writings you ignoramus. BTW 'professor' dumb***-[I never said that you mentioned his writings.  As part of my overall contribution to the discussion, I merely cited the lack of anything in his known writings that would be indicative of Down Syndrome. Just trying to view the situation comprehensively.  I suppose that bothers you, seeing you are trying to limit what I can and can enter into discuaaion by way of the question you raised about his condition. ]

 

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I didn't 'raise' any questions about his condition. I never said he had any condition. Get that through your head. It's just like some people look like different things. Some people look like their dogs. He LOOKS like a person with a form of Down's Syndrome. Why even mention his writings? Face it, you did it again, trying to say I thought he had Down's Syndrome. I also said michelle obama looks like a man. Do I think she's a man? If she ever had surgery to become a male they wouldn't have to do a lot. It would be day surgery.

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For the record, you said THIS:

 

"He looks mentally challenged. If shown his picture and given no background I'd say some form of Down's Syndrome."

 

Whatever you might say about what you said, this is what you actually said.  Readers can draw their own conclusions about what you evidently meant, however much you might try to squirm your way out of it.

 

"He looks mentally challenged. If shown his picture and given no background I'd say some form of Down's Syndrome."

 

Whatever you might say about what you said, this is what you actually said.  Readers can draw their own conclusions about what you evidently meant, however much you might try to squirm your way out of it.

 

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Beternnun, how is it squirming? I said I posted it. I meant what I posted. If you can't understand the post it's not my fault.  I MEANT he looked like a person with Down's Syndrome. I know he doesn't have Down's Syndrome so what is your problem? Again, just like some people look like other things. So, I guess when you posted a picture of a turtle and said it was Mitch McConnell's baby picture you really thought he was a turtle???!!!!!!

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