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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

You cannot prevent the birds of sorrow from flying over your head, but you can prevent them from building nests in your hair.



Whatever that has to do with anything.

 

I didn't include sorrow since I'd never seen it written that way. It means, as I'm sure you know, you can't help what ideas pop into your head, but you can help acting on them. A married person may find someone other than their mate attractive, but they don't have to act on the attraction.

Hi Chick,

You ask me, "Billy, can you show me where anyone mentioned your name?  Can you show me where it’s all about you?"

Obviously, you did not read my post.  What I wrote is:

My heart breaks for a few Forum Friends who have so much misery inside -- that, instead of discussing issues in an intelligent manner; all they want to do is to attack and denigrate a person, or a person's family.

People who do that, I am convinced, do it for one of two reasons:  (1) they have internal emotional issues which they are venting toward others, or (2) they do not have the intelligence to participate in a civil, intelligent discussion.   And, to be quite honest, I am not sure which of these reasons is worse -- but, they both tend to lead to personal attacks instead of civil dialogues.

For those few Friends, I forgive you -- and I pray that others who have been the target of your personal attacks will forgive you.  But, I also ask you to reconsider, change, and become productive members of the forum family -- and not just destructive elements.

 

So, as you said, it is not all about me -- but, about all the Forum members whom you have blasted with your anger.

Then, you ask me, "Shall I find the several post where you have so hatefully attacked & denigrated my friend vplee123?"

Yes.  Please do.

Yes, I have often disagreed with VP when she posts Roman Catholic teachings and doctrines which are not Biblical.  That is not a personal attack, nor hatred, toward VP.  It is only a refutation of false or erroneous teachings which she has posted.  Now, if she, or you, want to take that as a personal attack -- I cannot stop you.  But, I have never personally attack nor denigrated VP or anyone on the Religion Forum.  Disagreeing, even heated disagreement -- is not a personal attack.

A disagreement can be made into a personal attack -- as you have so often shown to those with whom you disagree.  But, my disagreements are not personal; they are only challenging a false or erroneous teaching.   And, I do my best to make my challenges Scripture based.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

quote:  Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:
I didn't include sorrow since I'd never seen it written that way.  It means, as I'm sure you know, you can't help what ideas pop into your head, but you can help acting on them.  A married person may find someone other than their mate attractive, but they don't have to act on the attraction.

Hi Kate,

 

You are so right.   I don't think there is a person alive who has not, at one time or another, seen another person to whom they felt a sexual attraction.  That feeling is not necessarily a sin -- unless one dwells on it and nourishes that feeling, even just mentally.  In that case, the sin is not the acting upon the feeling -- but, the continual nourishing of that feeling -- which could lead a person to act upon it at some point.

 

I believe that is the point which Jesus is making in His Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5):

 

Matthew 5:27-28, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.'  But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

 

Looking at a person of the opposite sex and feeling twinges of desire is one thing.  But, to continue to play host to those thoughts, to dwell on them, is "lusting after that person" -- which Jesus tells us is adultery.

 

The same thing can be said of same-sex attractions.  This is why I have often written that a person with homosexual desires can be a Christian believer -- but a person who is living an active homosexual lifestyle cannot be a Christian believer.   The homosexual who has left that lifestyle and become a Christian believer -- will, most likely, still have those desires at times.  But, if he/she does not entertain, play host to, and let those desires take control of his/her life -- that person can most certainly have a saving relationship with Jesus Christ.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

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A forum friend sent me the above rant & we’ve been discussing it. I’m going to reply to it because Billy chooses to leave himself out of his little rant to make it all about us. Which he so lovingly refers to as his friends!

 

Billy thinks we don’t discuss issues in an intelligent manner, that all we do is attack & denigrate a person, or a person's family, & that tells him we are miserable inside.

 

Billy, can you show me where anyone mentioned your name? Can you show me where it’s all about you? Or did you recognize yourself in what was said?

Shall I find the several post where you have so hatefully attacked & denigrated my friend vplee123? Are you so miserable inside that you had to do that, not once but many times? You even went so far as to accuse her & O No of not being Christians because they were my friends. Are we going to see the usual “prove it” from you? I can if that's what you need & wouldn't run as you have before when the proof has been shown.

 

If you don’t want your family discussed in these forums, don’t bring them here. Don’t tell us about how wonderful they are, what great Christians they are, about how much you love them. No one else on this forum does that but you. No one else on this forum is the braggart you are. No one else on this forum is as judgmental as you are, & no one else on this forum seems to be as mentally ill as you. If you don’t want your personal relationships/preferences known about, don’t tell it on a public forum. Anyone that would do that is very sick.

 

No matter if it was the 60’s or now, no therapist worth his salt is going to, or should, discuss a patients therapy with anyone, family member or a friend. If said therapist does, then his/her license should be revoked.Do you know just how stupid that statement sounds? What makes you so important that a therapist would discuss a patient's therapy with you??

 

I found your statement that emotional problems is the cause for someone’s house to be in a mess to funny. (another stupid statement) I have a cousin that always has a messy home. Nothing wrong with her but laziness, & she one of the happiest people you would ever meet.

 

You said this forum should be a place where we all can expand, learn, & grow. That in our discussions we should never strike out at another member with personal insults & denigration. Yet, you do it, daily, to anyone that disagrees with you.

According to you, that would mean you have internal emotional issues or you do not have the intelligence to participate in civil, intelligent discussions. I’ve seen you, many times, attack & put other down, make fun of them instead of having a civil dialogue. I think you recognize these things in yourself but it makes you feel good to reverse it onto other people.

 

You say you’re not saying that any of your forum “Friends” have psychological problems. I can’t say that about you. In fact, many of us have told you that you have psychological issues. Anyone that would call the people that dislikes him, his Friends, has major issues/problems. Your NPD is very apparent. If you haven’t gotten medical help yet, you should.

 

As for me, I didn’t ask for or even need your forgiveness.You should seriously consider seeing a medical professional. Your illness is showing itself more every day.

You should reconsider, change, & become a productive member of this forum. We get tired of your constant destructive elements.

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

 

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Yes, I have often disagreed with VP when she posts Roman Catholic teachings and doctrines which are not Biblical.  That is not a personal attack, nor hatred, toward VP.  It is only a refutation of false or erroneous teachings which she has posted.  Now, if she, or you, want to take that as a personal attack -- I cannot stop you.  But, I have never personally attack nor denigrated VP or anyone on the Religion Forum.  Disagreeing, even heated disagreement -- is not a personal attack.

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You can say what you wish, but very few here will believe you... It is statements such as this that have caused you to lose all credibility here in the forum... Your attacks on our friend Veep have not only been frequent but vicious... To refute a statement is one thing; to attack the writer's character and/or intelligence and state that she is not a true Christian is quite another! And that is exactly what you have done, time and again... She have I have called you on it and gone to the trouble of quoting you, only for you to run off and start a new thread in attempts to distract attention from your actions... Likewise, you have attacked Vic and Contendah, but you seem to take special pleasure out of belittling those of the fairer gender... Deny this, I'm sure you will, but guilty you are!

Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

 

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Yes, I have often disagreed with VP when she posts Roman Catholic teachings and doctrines which are not Biblical.  That is not a personal attack, nor hatred, toward VP.  It is only a refutation of false or erroneous teachings which she has posted.  Now, if she, or you, want to take that as a personal attack -- I cannot stop you.  But, I have never personally attack nor denigrated VP or anyone on the Religion Forum.  Disagreeing, even heated disagreement -- is not a personal attack.

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You can say what you wish, but very few here will believe you... It is statements such as this that have caused you to lose all credibility here in the forum... Your attacks on our friend Veep have not only been frequent but vicious... To refute a statement is one thing; to attack the writer's character and/or intelligence and state that she is not a true Christian is quite another! And that is exactly what you have done, time and again... She have I have called you on it and gone to the trouble of quoting you, only for you to run off and start a new thread in attempts to distract attention from your actions... Likewise, you have attacked Vic and Contendah, but you seem to take special pleasure out of belittling those of the fairer gender... Deny this, I'm sure you will, but guilty you are!

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Bill is aware he's attacking people, everyone knows bill is fully aware that he's attacking people. Everyone knows bill will deny attacking people, with the proof of his attacks right there in black and white. Bill thinks he has every right to attack people. Everyone knows bill thinks he has the right to attack people.  Bill thinks he's special. Bill thinks his wife is special, and can never post about her without specifying she's filipino. No one can understand why bill thinks he's special or why he thinks his wife is special because she is filipino. No one else thinks bill and his filipino wife are special. With that being "said", why people still allow bill "into their homes via the internet" is beyond me. Would any of you waste your time and stand and listen to, or argue with, bill in "real life"?  Even I finally got tired of the lies, insults to people, and old stories no one believes, that he posts over and over, and his endless threads about the same subject, and all the threads he made instead having the courtesy of answering questions on others threads.

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Bill, I was going to post [again] all those vicious things you have said about V but I decided not to since reading Jenn & Dove's post. Both were right on in what they posted.

You never have & never will acknowledge your faults. You must be one miserably unhappy old man to be so hateful & mean, to constantly want to make fun & berate people so vehemently.

 

You remind me of one of my grandfather’s. He was so unhappy that he would do/say whatever he had to so he could make anyone that came into contact with him miserable. Everyone walked a wide circle around him to get away from him, because nobody wanted to be within shouting distance of him.

Have you always been a bitter, hateful man? Do you have any idea what made you this way? I find myself more & more everyday feeling so sorry for you. It has to be a miserable existence to be you.

Hi Chick,

 

Do I have faults?  Yes, my Friend, I have many, many faults -- just NOT the ones YOU accuse me of having or committing.

 

You tell me, "You remind me of one of my grandfather’s.  He was so unhappy that he would do/say whatever he had to so he could make anyone that came into contact with him miserable."

 

Yes, such traits do often run in the family.  But, even such misery and unhappiness can be overcome -- if one will put their faith in Jesus Christ.  My Friend, I pray that some day YOU will do that.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I post fine since I blocked him and that helped coming here a lot.  I know several who left because of him and that creepy signature, BUT I hope that bashing him doesn't become a whole new sport.  Blocking is a wonderful thing and makes the day nice.  I don't like to read his stuff and the energy on it is awful, so I don't.  Just block him and go on to happier things is my suggestion

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by frog:

 BUT I hope that bashing him doesn't become a whole new sport. 

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LOL! Too late! 
Where you been?

'Bout time he got to eat some of that pie...

 


Yeah, guess I am weird like that.  I don't see how it helps anyone to bash anyone.  If I complain that someone is mean to me...and yes, he has been mean to many...and then I do the same to to that person, then how am I any different and what can I complain about without being just as mean?  The high road is a nice place to go sometimes.  Not as much fun in some cases, but someone sometime hopefully will consider it.

 

I am not talking about not stating feelings or trying to solve the situation, and am not saying people should get away with being mean.  Just saying if someone calls me names and I call him or her names right back, how does that help?  Not telling anyone else what to do, of course.  Just commenting.  And yes, I do get out and I know reality doesn't always match our wishes.   

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by frog:

 BUT I hope that bashing him doesn't become a whole new sport. 

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LOL! Too late! 
Where you been?

'Bout time he got to eat some of that pie...

 


Yeah, guess I am weird like that.  I don't see how it helps anyone to bash anyone.  If I complain that someone is mean to me...and yes, he has been mean to many...and then I do the same to to that person, then how am I any different and what can I complain about without being just as mean?  The high road is a nice place to go sometimes.  Not as much fun in some cases, but someone sometime hopefully will consider it.

 

I am not talking about not stating feelings or trying to solve the situation, and am not saying people should get away with being mean.  Just saying if someone calls me names and I call him or her names right back, how does that help?  Not telling anyone else what to do, of course.  Just commenting.  And yes, I do get out and I know reality doesn't always match our wishes.   

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You're right. It doesn't help. 

He can't be helped because he thinks there's nothing wrong.

 

Therefore, he makes a really good resetting target.

Even fundies are good for something.

Frog, I get what you're saying & agree with some of it. I took the old man off of block because I had to stand up for my friend Vplee. She's a good, decent woman, & one I believe to be a Christian. Because she's my friend, Bill has said she's not a Christian. (he has said much worse about her)

I guess some of us keep thinking that we just might say something that will hit home & make Bill re-consider what he's doing.

Nothing is going to make a difference, he's a lost cause & Satan's boy toy. He's back on block because I'm thru with the old man!

I figure if no one bites and plays the game people usually stop trying to bully or insult.  It's no fun for most people to say things to incite people if no one even sees it.  So if a person really wants to "convert" or "save" people, then being a decent person in real life seems to me to be the way to go, but saying nasty things online that no one sees would be an exercise in futility.  But then I have no desire to "save" anyone.  If someone asks for help I am happy to help, but trying to force opinions on people doesn't seem helpful to me personally.

Originally Posted by frog:

I figure if no one bites and plays the game people usually stop trying to bully or insult.  It's no fun for most people to say things to incite people if no one even sees it.  So if a person really wants to "convert" or "save" people, then being a decent person in real life seems to me to be the way to go, but saying nasty things online that no one sees would be an exercise in futility.  But then I have no desire to "save" anyone.  If someone asks for help I am happy to help, but trying to force opinions on people doesn't seem helpful to me personally.

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You're absolutely right, frog.

 

But then he's a narcissist. I just can't resist that 'kick me, hard. (2x)' sign on his forehead.

 

Long as he keeps asking for more rope-I'll keep paying it out.

 

 Eventually he'll hang himself with it.

 

That stool he's preachin' from is already wobblin' considerably.

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by frog:

I figure if no one bites and plays the game people usually stop trying to bully or insult.

But then I have no desire to "save" anyone. 

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I suggested months ago that everyone here (except the ones that believe the crap he's putting out) put Billy on block because we are giving him the audience he so fiercely desires. No one was willing to do it so he has his audience. I've had him on block, until I felt the need to take him off to say a few things to him. (bad idea) Believe me, it won't happen again.

 

I think you said you have him blocked? If not, look for a sermon about your "having no desire to "save" anyone".

 

There is people seeing the nasty things Bill says.Those that read but don't post that he says he's trying to reach. He's reaching them alright, just not in a positive way. He's teaching them the ways of Satan. (IF he exist)

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by frog:

I figure if no one bites and plays the game people usually stop trying to bully or insult.

But then I have no desire to "save" anyone. 

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I suggested months ago that everyone here (except the ones that believe the crap he's putting out) put Billy on block because we are giving him the audience he so fiercely desires. No one was willing to do it so he has his audience. I've had him on block, until I felt the need to take him off to say a few things to him. (bad idea) Believe me, it won't happen again.

 

I think you said you have him blocked? If not, look for a sermon about your "having no desire to "save" anyone".

 

There is people seeing the nasty things Bill says.Those that read but don't post that he says he's trying to reach. He's reaching them alright, just not in a positive way. He's teaching them the ways of Satan. (IF he exist)

 


Yep, I blocked him a good while ago and you are right.  With no audience to impress or convince that he is right he won't bother to insult. I won't see any sermons and am very happy about that 

quote:    Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:

It's a cabal!!!!  It's a cabal!!!!!  It came from the grass knoll!  A vast right wing conspiracy!  I saw them flying a kite in a thunderstorm!  A bunch of heretics!  They're all out to get me!!!!  All those left wing nuts!!!  The whole world is after me!!!!!

Hi Dove,

 

No, my Friend, not the whole world -- but, just a few Loose Nuts rolling around the Religion Forum.   A good example is your post above.  But, nothing I cannot handle -- for since I walk with God, I don't worry about the loose nuts on the floor!

 

Bless your loose little heart!

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by frog:

I figure if no one bites and plays the game people usually stop trying to bully or insult.

But then I have no desire to "save" anyone. 

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I suggested months ago that everyone here (except the ones that believe the crap he's putting out) put Billy on block because we are giving him the audience he so fiercely desires. No one was willing to do it so he has his audience. I've had him on block, until I felt the need to take him off to say a few things to him. (bad idea) Believe me, it won't happen again.

 

I think you said you have him blocked? If not, look for a sermon about your "having no desire to "save" anyone".

 

There is people seeing the nasty things Bill says.Those that read but don't post that he says he's trying to reach. He's reaching them alright, just not in a positive way. He's teaching them the ways of Satan. (IF he exist)

 

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LOL.

 

Those 'folks who read but don't post' are all in his head. 

Oh, there might be *one.*

 

But I doubt it.

Originally Posted by frog:

I figure if no one bites and plays the game people usually stop trying to bully or insult.  It's no fun for most people to say things to incite people if no one even sees it.  So if a person really wants to "convert" or "save" people, then being a decent person in real life seems to me to be the way to go, but saying nasty things online that no one sees would be an exercise in futility.  But then I have no desire to "save" anyone.  If someone asks for help I am happy to help, but trying to force opinions on people doesn't seem helpful to me personally.

 

I don't think THEY can help themselves.

Kinda' like Bill is "the hand"...

 

And I think I could pick a few of THEM out here...LOL!





 

Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:

It's a cabal!!!! It's a cabal!!!!! It came from the grass knoll! A vast right wing conspiracy! I saw them flying a kite in a thunderstorm! A bunch of heretics! They're all out to get me!!!! All those left wing nuts!!! The whole world is after me!!!!!

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And it is all being orchestrated by the Bilderbergers!

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

 

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Yes, I have often disagreed with VP when she posts Roman Catholic teachings and doctrines which are not Biblical.  That is not a personal attack, nor hatred, toward VP.  It is only a refutation of false or erroneous teachings which she has posted.  Now, if she, or you, want to take that as a personal attack -- I cannot stop you.  But, I have never personally attack nor denigrated VP or anyone on the Religion Forum.  Disagreeing, even heated disagreement -- is not a personal attack.

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You can say what you wish, but very few here will believe you... It is statements such as this that have caused you to lose all credibility here in the forum... Your attacks on our friend Veep have not only been frequent but vicious... To refute a statement is one thing; to attack the writer's character and/or intelligence and state that she is not a true Christian is quite another! And that is exactly what you have done, time and again... She have I have called you on it and gone to the trouble of quoting you, only for you to run off and start a new thread in attempts to distract attention from your actions... Likewise, you have attacked Vic and Contendah, but you seem to take special pleasure out of belittling those of the fairer gender... Deny this, I'm sure you will, but guilty you are!

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Bill is aware he's attacking people, everyone knows bill is fully aware that he's attacking people. Everyone knows bill will deny attacking people, with the proof of his attacks right there in black and white. Bill thinks he has every right to attack people. Everyone knows bill thinks he has the right to attack people.  Bill thinks he's special. Bill thinks his wife is special, and can never post about her without specifying she's filipino. No one can understand why bill thinks he's special or why he thinks his wife is special because she is filipino. No one else thinks bill and his filipino wife are special. With that being "said", why people still allow bill "into their homes via the internet" is beyond me. Would any of you waste your time and stand and listen to, or argue with, bill in "real life"?  Even I finally got tired of the lies, insults to people, and old stories no one believes, that he posts over and over, and his endless threads about the same subject, and all the threads he made instead having the courtesy of answering questions on others threads.

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Yes, Bill has a Filipino fetish.  When he and his wife refer to "our song," this is probably what they are referring to:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxxO0dUnj4

 

Here is a saltier version, with some possible kiddie pix for Bill to use as cuteness closures when his posts have nothing relevant to offer (which is OFTEN):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxxO0dUnj4

 

Old Ernest Tubb couldn't carry a tune in a bucket but somehow he got the job done.

Just passing through, what'd I miss? Another cabal? I saw my name in a couple of posts- I have not been posting much- why are y'all talking about me haha I will share this- Pope Francis, a few weeks ago made a statement that I really took (trying) to heart. He basically said that when Christians fight amongst each other, we hurt the Body of Christ. I was moved by the truth of that statement, and chose not to participate in the Catholic/Protestant wars any further. Having said that, I am open to fruitful polite discussion;-) even if we disagree, I adamantly refuse to participate in "spitting contests" or whatever you call it. Bill Gray is an attacker of my spirit, and he has been on block. So that's where I'm at...hope y'all are well.
Originally Posted by vplee123:
Just passing through, what'd I miss? Another cabal? I saw my name in a couple of posts- I have not been posting much- why are y'all talking about me haha I will share this- Pope Francis, a few weeks ago made a statement that I really took (trying) to heart. He basically said that when Christians fight amongst each other, we hurt the Body of Christ. I was moved by the truth of that statement, and chose not to participate in the Catholic/Protestant wars any further. Having said that, I am open to fruitful polite discussion;-) even if we disagree, I adamantly refuse to participate in "spitting contests" or whatever you call it. Bill Gray is an attacker of my spirit, and he has been on block. So that's where I'm at...hope y'all are well.
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Hey Veep, Good to see you... If we talk about you it's always good. Yep, I finally gave up and put him on block also... It's amazing how much more pleasant it is with that block in place... Gotta' keep strong and exercise restraint... I'll try to keep it pleasant... Pray for me pease... Anyway, it's always good to have you around... Stay well...
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If there is anyone reading and not posting here, it is because they know better than to stir Bill's pot.

 

Fundamentalist bashing is sport for me.  Bill is their whipping boy here.  He thinks it will get him into heaven. 

Crustance, I take penumbrance  to that. I consider myself a fundamentalist.

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