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I guess this question is mostly for the Christians, but anyone can weigh in with their opinion. Should be very interesting.

 

Ever cheated on your husband/wife? You're so sad, feel so bad afterward, you ask forgiveness, promise not to do it again.

Few days later, there he/she is again, looking good & all that. Oops, again?? Not twice, but three times in one afternoon? You're so sad, feel so bad afterward, you ask forgiveness, promise not to do it again.

 

Next day......there he/she is again, looking fine.

You're so sad, feel so bad afterward, you ask forgiveness, promise not to do it again.

 

Exactly how many times can that go on w/o sliding into that fire pit? I know how the OSAS crowd would answer that but what about the rest of you?

 

 

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I guess this question is mostly for the Christians, but anyone can weigh in with their opinion. Should be very interesting.

 

Ever cheated on your husband/wife? You're so sad, feel so bad afterward, you ask forgiveness, promise not to do it again.

Few days later, there he/she is again, looking good & all that. Oops, again?? Not twice, but three times in one afternoon? You're so sad, feel so bad afterward, you ask forgiveness, promise not to do it again.

 

Next day......there he/she is again, looking fine.

You're so sad, feel so bad afterward, you ask forgiveness, promise not to do it again.

 

Exactly how many times can that go on w/o sliding into that fire pit? I know how the OSAS crowd would answer that but what about the rest of you?

 

 

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Never. Not once in 51 years of marriage! 

Nope. Never been there.

16 years.

 

I gave my word when I married my wife. I paid attention to the 'forsaking all others' part.

My word is my bond. It's all I have in this life that is truly mine. When it becomes worthless-so do I.

 

As far as the 'Cosmic Easy Button' folks-well, I s'pose they can get away with it as long as their spouse lets 'em. (Slidin' to the curb more like..*

Hi Chick,

 

Can a true Christian believer fall into the sin of adultery?  Unfortunately, yes.  For we all suffer from that disease called being human.  But, would a true Christian believer CONTINUE to fall into the sin of adultery over and over again as you have suggested?  In other words, would a person who has a saving, very personal relationship with Jesus Christ -- live an active lifestyle of adultery?  No, I do not believe a true believer would do that. 

 

You have to keep in mind that not all who wear the Christian hat -- really have a saving relationship with Christ.   Many folks show up in church on Sunday for reasons other than worshiping God and sharing true fellowship with other believers.  And, as you know, no one can look in the pews and truly know which are real Christians and which are only playing make beleive.

 

When Christ died on the cross, He died so that everyone, all people, have their sins forgiven and can, by the grace of God, through faith in the finished work of Christ -- believe and receive His "paid in full" pardon of sins:  past, present, and future.  However, one must accept and receive that "free gift" of pardon -- or they will remain in the sin prison cell.

 

Suppose Bill Gates came to you and offered you one billion dollars.  If you accept his gift, you are a billionaire.  If you refuse his gift, you are still living paycheck to paycheck.

 

The same is true of the gift of life which Christ purchased with His precious blood on the cross.  He is coming to you, offering your eternal life.  If you accept, by grace, through faith, that amazing gift -- you have eternal life in Christ and WILL spend eternity in the presence of God.  If you refuse His gift of eternal life; then you condemn yourself to an eternity out of the presence of God -- and, that is hell!

 

So, Chick, to get back to your supposition:  NO, a true believer will not live a life of adultery, a lifestyle of cheating on his/her spouse.

 

1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (all sin)."

 

Of course, this applies only to those who have confessed Him as Lord and Savior -- or to those who ARE confessing Him as Lord and Savior of their lives for the first time.  If one is not a believer, he/she will not be confessing their sins -- for, to them, they have no sins.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Never. Not once in 51 years of marriage!

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Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

16 years.

I gave my word when I married my wife. I paid attention to the 'forsaking all others' part.

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Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

20 years for me in March 2013.  I made a solemn commitment and plan to keep it.

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Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:

Happily married 36 years.  No cheating. Not because it's a sin or I would burn in hell, but because I did not want to or need too.  I am very happy.

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Originally Posted by wright35633:

But personally, no I would not.

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Wish I had a big high five to give all of you!

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by wright35633:

I don't think infidelity is a Christian specific problem.

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Probably isn't a specific problem just for Christians, but they are the ones that would try to justify it quicker than someone that's not a Christian.

To be honest, I have no life experience with it. I can't accurately estimate either way. As a Christian, I would hope it is a humanity problem, versus a faith problem.

quote:  Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:

Happily married 36 years.  No cheating.  Not because it's a sin or I would burn in hell, but because I did not want to or need too.  I am very happy.

Hi Picker,

 

We are a matched set.  My wife and I celebrate 36 years of a wonderful marriage this September.   God has truly blessed me -- and, like you, I have no need nor desire to cheat.   When one already has the best -- why lower your standards by fooling with someone second best?

 

So, this year is my 26-36-76 year celebration:  I celebrate 26 years as a Christian believer -- 36 years married to my wonderful young bride -- and that I am 76 years young!  Yes, sir, God has truly blessed me.  And, as things look now, I have a lot of years left in all categories -- and to do Christian writing.   I realize the last part does not exactly thrill my Friends in the cabal -- but, they will get over it.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:

Happily married 36 years.  No cheating.  Not because it's a sin or I would burn in hell, but because I did not want to or need too.  I am very happy.

Hi Picker,

 

We are a matched set.  My wife and I celebrate 36 years of a wonderful marriage this September.   God has truly blessed me -- and, like you, I have no need nor desire to cheat.   When one already has the best -- why lower your standards by fooling with someone second best?

 

 

Exactly.  Ours will be July 2.  I'm thinking Red Lobster to celebrate.

Congratulations.

quote:  Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:
quote:  Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:

Happily married 36 years.  No cheating.  Not because it's a sin or I would burn in hell, but because I did not want to or need too.  I am very happy.

Hi Picker,

 

We are a matched set.  My wife and I celebrate 36 years of a wonderful marriage this September.   God has truly blessed me -- and, like you, I have no need nor desire to cheat.   When one already has the best -- why lower your standards by fooling with someone second best?

 

Exactly.  Ours will be July 2.  I'm thinking Red Lobster to celebrate.  Congratulations.

Hi Picker,

 

We are pretty much in sync.  Our anniversary is September 2.  We were married Sept 2, 1977 in Southern Cal -- and then had a church wedding in Hawaii on Sept 2, 1980.   God has truly blessed you and me.  

You mention Red Lobster -- that would be Dory's choice also.   In the mid-1980s she attended a computer conference with me in Boston.  There is a restaurant on the waterfront in Boston named Anthony's Pier 4.  You select your lobster choice by the pound.  That week, Dory had lobster seven nights in a row -- and on the eighth night, she settled for a steamed clam dinner at our hotel.

 

Like you, I am faithful because I cannot imagine another woman being her equal.  Why settle for less?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Well you do know, lusting in the heart meant doing it in old "peanut" carter's mind. Makes me wonder about the homosexuals that marry women, usually women that already have children, they never seem to have any of their own. Anyway, they marry women but still lust for men in their hearts. Now some, again like the moldy old peanut carter, say that's the same thing as doing it. Poor old mama's boys, marrying subservient women, claiming other men's children and grandchildren as their own. Wouldn't be so bad if they weren't running down the ones that don't choose to live that lie.

You know, the Bible (IF true) says that who ever looks on a woman with lust has committed adultery with her already in his heart. It amazes me how a "Christian" man can turn that scripture around & say it's not saying what it's saying. Every straight man in the US & elsewhere has committed adultery, & will continue to do it every day, dozens of times a day. Nothing he can say to convince me otherwise. Isn't it amazing how people can turn scripture to mean what they want it to mean?

 

Right after that scripture, it says if your right eye offends you, get it out, & throw it away. Doesn't that mean a Christian man should, when aroused by a woman that's not his wife, should cut it off & throw it away? I guess the men on here will explain that one away too. 

 

I'm not going to lie, but of course, I don't have to cause I'm not a Christian. I saw a very attractive man yesterday, today, & will probably see one tomorrow. I call it eye candy. Doesn't mean I'm going to jump into bed with him but I can & will, look & admire a goodlooking man.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well you do know, lusting in the heart meant doing it in old "peanut" carter's mind. Makes me wonder about the homosexuals that marry women, usually women that already have children, they never seem to have any of their own. Anyway, they marry women but still lust for men in their hearts. Now some, again like the moldy old peanut carter, say that's the same thing as doing it. Poor old mama's boys, marrying subservient women, claiming other men's children and grandchildren as their own. Wouldn't be so bad if they weren't running down the ones that don't choose to live that lie.


It's hard from your post to tell whether you are saying you appreciate when a homosexual lives as s/he really is and marries who s/he really wants to marry instead of living a lie or in denial, or whether you are just generalizing and insulting gay men who, for various reasons, haven't come out.  They do often have kids, so not sure if you are just referring to those who don't or what you mean.  And mama's boys?  Are you saying you don't like gays or you don't respect those who haven't admitted they were gay or who chose to marry a woman?    What does having your own children have to do with anything?  Lots of straight men don't have their own kids and marry women with kids.  

 

I do agree people don't need to be running people down, and even more so those not living an honest life.

Frog, let me help you out here a little.

We have a forum member who married 2 women that had children already, He has no biological children. This member lies & refers to these women’s children/grandchildren as his own. Both women this member married were from a country in which they were raised to be subservient to men. This member is not (by his own admission) even divorced from wifey #1, but married wifey #2.

 

This member claims to be a Christian & has always preached his hate of homosexuals, but just recently came out of the closet publicly, right here on this forum. He must have been high on something to do something so stupid. Wouldn’t you say?

 

I believe that this member is who Jenn was referring to. If I’m wrong, she can correct me.

 

Oh, and those not living an honest life? They should be called out, & shown to be the liars they are.

 

You remember our discussion semi, about the preachers/others who are gay and say they are still attracted to men, "lust" for them, but yet they marry women? IMO, only women who are subservient and have low self esteem, or are gay themselves, or just plain nuts, would marry a man that admits he prefers men, and only married her to escape the label of being a sinner. My point, who is he trying to fool? According to many he is still "cheating" by "lusting in his heart".  Now, if that is what he feels he has to do and thinks he's fooling his god, he shouldn't be running down/condemning others who don't choose to live that lie.    

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Frog, let me help you out here a little.

We have a forum member who married 2 women that had children already, He has no biological children. This member lies & refers to these women’s children/grandchildren as his own. Both women this member married were from a country in which they were raised to be subservient to men. This member is not (by his own admission) even divorced from wifey #1, but married wifey #2.

 

This member claims to be a Christian & has always preached his hate of homosexuals, but just recently came out of the closet publicly, right here on this forum. He must have been high on something to do something so stupid. Wouldn’t you say?

 

I believe that this member is who Jenn was referring to. If I’m wrong, she can correct me.

 

Oh, and those not living an honest life? They should be called out, & shown to be the liars they are.

 


Wow.  That explains things and well...wow.  I am glad I live a simple life.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

You know, the Bible (IF true) says that who ever looks on a woman with lust has committed adultery with her already in his heart. It amazes me how a "Christian" man can turn that scripture around & say it's not saying what it's saying. Every straight man in the US & elsewhere has committed adultery, & will continue to do it every day, dozens of times a day. Nothing he can say to convince me otherwise. Isn't it amazing how people can turn scripture to mean what they want it to mean?

 

Right after that scripture, it says if your right eye offends you, get it out, & throw it away. Doesn't that mean a Christian man should, when aroused by a woman that's not his wife, should cut it off & throw it away? I guess the men on here will explain that one away too. 

 

I'm not going to lie, but of course, I don't have to cause I'm not a Christian. I saw a very attractive man yesterday, today, & will probably see one tomorrow. I call it eye candy. Doesn't mean I'm going to jump into bed with him but I can & will, look & admire a goodlooking man.

 

There have been many discussions on here concerning different interpretations of scripture; however, most people (that I know) certainly don't interpret this one in that way. It's interpreted as meaning the man (or woman) would commit adultery if they could or if they thought they could get away with it. In other words, if a man wanted a women, but knew she wouldn't say yes because he was married, or if he didn't ask simply because he thought he would be caught, then that would be adultery.

 

There's a Chinese proverb that says: You can't stop a bird from landing in your hair, but you can stop it from making a nest there.

Hi all,

 

My heart breaks for a few Forum Friends who have so much misery inside -- that, instead of discussing issues in an intelligent manner; all they want to do is to attack and denigrate a person, or a person's family.  I am sure that such bitterness and internal misery is hard to live with; but, does insinuating untruths about another, or another's family -- in any way lessen that internal strife and misery?  No.

 

Many years ago, back in the 1960s, I had a friend who had many emotional problems caused by her childhood experiences.  When I was in her home, it was always a mess.  Clothing tossed everywhere, literally ever cupboard and cabinet door always left wide open, virtually everything in disarray.  

 

I had an opportunity to talk with her therapist, and I asked him why everything around her was always such a mess.  He told me, "Internally, her emotions are so cluttered and mess up -- she subconsciously tries to compensate for that by having her external world cluttered to match her internal feelings."

 

And, I am not saying that these few Forum Friends have psychological problems.  But, something internally must be causing all the misery I see coming from them -- when they always seem to come to the Religion Forum in a personal attack mode. 

 

The Religion Forum is a good community; a place where we all can expand, learn, and grow.  This does not mean that we all have to agree on all issues.  And, it does not mean that our discussions will not get heated at times.  But, in our discussions we should NEVER strike out at another member, or a member's family, with personal insults and denigration.

 

People who do that, I am convinced, do it for one of two reasons:  (1) they have internal emotional issues which they are venting toward others, or (2) they do not have the intelligence to participate in a civil, intelligent discussion.   And, to be quite honest, I am not sure which of these reasons is worse -- but, they both tend to lead to personal attacks instead of civil dialogues.

 

For those few Friends, I forgive you -- and I pray that others who have been the target of your personal attacks will forgive you.  But, I also ask you to reconsider, change, and become productive members of the forum family -- and not just destructive elements.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Billy said:

My heart breaks for a few Forum Friends who have so much misery inside -- that, instead of discussing issues in an intelligent manner; all they want to do is to attack and denigrate a person, or a person's family

back in the 1960s, I had a friend who had many emotional problems caused by her childhood experiences.  When I was in her home, it was always a mess.  

I had an opportunity to talk with her therapist, and I asked him why everything around her was always such a mess.  He told me, "Internally, her emotions are so cluttered and mess up -- she subconsciously tries to compensate for that by having her external world cluttered to match her internal feelings."

And, I am not saying that these few Forum Friends have psychological problems.  But, something internally must be causing all the misery I see coming from them -- when they always seem to come to the Religion Forum in a personal attack mode. 

The Religion Forum is a good community; a place where we all can expand, learn, and grow. 

But, in our discussions we should NEVER strike out at another member, or a member's family, with personal insults and denigration.

People who do that, I am convinced, do it for one of two reasons:  (1) they have internal emotional issues which they are venting toward others, or (2) they do not have the intelligence to participate in a civil, intelligent discussion.   And, to be quite honest, I am not sure which of these reasons is worse -- but, they both tend to lead to personal attacks instead of civil dialogues.

For those few Friends, I forgive you -- and I pray that others who have been the target of your personal attacks will forgive you.  But, I also ask you to reconsider, change, and become productive members of the forum family -- and not just destructive elements.

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A forum friend sent me the above rant & we’ve been discussing it. I’m going to reply to it because Billy chooses to leave himself out of his little rant to make it all about us. Which he so lovingly refers to as his friends!

 

Billy thinks we don’t discuss issues in an intelligent manner, that all we do is attack & denigrate a person, or a person's family, & that tells him we are miserable inside.

 

Billy, can you show me where anyone mentioned your name? Can you show me where it’s all about you? Or did you recognize yourself in what was said?

Shall I find the several post where you have so hatefully attacked & denigrated my friend vplee123? Are you so miserable inside that you had to do that, not once but many times? You even went so far as to accuse her & O No of not being Christians because they were my friends. Are we going to see the usual “prove it” from you? I can if that's what you need & wouldn't run as you have before when the proof has been shown.

 

If you don’t want your family discussed in these forums, don’t bring them here. Don’t tell us about how wonderful they are, what great Christians they are, about how much you love them. No one else on this forum does that but you. No one else on this forum is the braggart you are. No one else on this forum is as judgmental as you are, & no one else on this forum seems to be as mentally ill as you. If you don’t want your personal relationships/preferences known about, don’t tell it on a public forum. Anyone that would do that is very sick.

 

No matter if it was the 60’s or now, no therapist worth his salt is going to, or should, discuss a patients therapy with anyone, family member or a friend. If said therapist does, then his/her license should be revoked.Do you know just how stupid that statement sounds? What makes you so important that a therapist would discuss a patient's therapy with you??

 

I found your statement that emotional problems is the cause for someone’s house to be in a mess to funny. (another stupid statement) I have a cousin that always has a messy home. Nothing wrong with her but laziness, & she one of the happiest people you would ever meet.

 

You said this forum should be a place where we all can expand, learn, & grow. That in our discussions we should never strike out at another member with personal insults & denigration. Yet, you do it, daily, to anyone that disagrees with you.

According to you, that would mean you have internal emotional issues or you do not have the intelligence to participate in civil, intelligent discussions. I’ve seen you, many times, attack & put other down, make fun of them instead of having a civil dialogue. I think you recognize these things in yourself but it makes you feel good to reverse it onto other people.

 

You say you’re not saying that any of your forum “Friends” have psychological problems. I can’t say that about you. In fact, many of us have told you that you have psychological issues. Anyone that would call the people that dislikes him, his Friends, has major issues/problems. Your NPD is very apparent. If you haven’t gotten medical help yet, you should.

 

As for me, I didn’t ask for or even need your forgiveness.You should seriously consider seeing a medical professional. Your illness is showing itself more every day.

You should reconsider, change, & become a productive member of this forum. We get tired of your constant destructive elements.

 

 

 

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