Cheney trots out the 'you're with us or you're a traitor' rhetoric

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Originally posted by excelman:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed. My first comment is petty but begrudge me the point. While I would agree that you helped pay my wages while I have been in the service, I have also paid for MY OWN WAGES because I get taxed just like you do. Sorry, but that is a BIG pet peeve of mine.
I agree with a good portion of what you have said here up to the point that both of us are "faced with an ongoing fight to protect ourselves from the greed and avarice of a powerful and concerted drive to impoverish, not just us, but our children and our children's children for the benefit of an elite few". You don't specify who you think is trying to impoverish us. If you believe that it's conservatives in gov't I would have to disagree. I truly believe that true conservatism believes in sefl determination. It believes that no man needs the gov't to hold his hand or provide his living for him. In this great country we live in, there is no reason why a man (or woman) can't stand up on their own 2 feet and make a good life for themselves. The founding fathers made a point of this in the statement "that all powers not specified for the federal gov't belong to the states" (not an exact quote, in a hurry to finish the post). The Federal gov't should have NO major involvement in our lives other than the basic services (ie. defense, roads etc..). The fed's have usurped entirely too much power from the states and should return such forth with. This nation was founded as a constitutional republic and should return to such. Give the power back to the states and locallities and many of the problems we experience with the Fed's would disapear. If you take away some of the monsters size, you wouldn't have to feed the monster so much. I know this kinda rambles, I hope it gives you a better idea on my true feelings concerning gov't


I am so confused after this last post of yours. The current administration has grown the government to the largest in history, it has taken away more of your Constitutional rights than at any time in American history, it has run up the largest debt in history, and has handed the nations wealth over to the rich elite, all the things you say you are opposed to, but you still support the Republicans and Bush? Your views are not consistant with your politics it seems to me.


If you want to talk debt talk real #'s based off GDP and we are no where NEAR the largest debt in history. What constitutional right have YOU lost? What "rich elite" do we have now that we didn't have under Clinton? Lastly, do you see Bush or republican in my post ANYWHERE? I am a conservative, not a republican. I believe in small gov't not what we have now. What part of that don't you understand? If the big gov't liberals have their way we will have an even LARGER gov't than we have now.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed. My first comment is petty but begrudge me the point. While I would agree that you helped pay my wages while I have been in the service, I have also paid for MY OWN WAGES because I get taxed just like you do. Sorry, but that is a BIG pet peeve of mine.
I agree with a good portion of what you have said here up to the point that both of us are "faced with an ongoing fight to protect ourselves from the greed and avarice of a powerful and concerted drive to impoverish, not just us, but our children and our children's children for the benefit of an elite few". You don't specify who you think is trying to impoverish us. If you believe that it's conservatives in gov't I would have to disagree. I truly believe that true conservatism believes in sefl determination. It believes that no man needs the gov't to hold his hand or provide his living for him. In this great country we live in, there is no reason why a man (or woman) can't stand up on their own 2 feet and make a good life for themselves. The founding fathers made a point of this in the statement "that all powers not specified for the federal gov't belong to the states" (not an exact quote, in a hurry to finish the post). The Federal gov't should have NO major involvement in our lives other than the basic services (ie. defense, roads etc..). The fed's have usurped entirely too much power from the states and should return such forth with. This nation was founded as a constitutional republic and should return to such. Give the power back to the states and locallities and many of the problems we experience with the Fed's would disapear. If you take away some of the monsters size, you wouldn't have to feed the monster so much. I know this kinda rambles, I hope it gives you a better idea on my true feelings concerning gov't
On the petty comment, I felt the same way. I still think it is stupid to pay a soldier out of the treasury and tax his wages to put back in the treasury, but I can see the logic if you add families of Service People to the mix. Not taxing a single person and a married person with dependents is not really fair to the married person, unless, as they did in my day, you provide allotments for the families. I don't know if that is still the case. And in my time a chunk of the allotment came out of the serviceman's pay. It was always service man, Mothers were simply not permitted to be in the service. Things change. Problem, I agree with the principle, and see the potential inequity. You agree with the principle, and don't see the inequities.

I actually thought the Elite were pretty well agreed on. But to clarify, I am specifically referring to people with incomes in the half million dollar a year and up bracket. Not Net Worths, incomes. Believe it or not, I like the idea of a company making millions, if they reinvest in American Factories and offices. So, I believe that profit or income should be taxed unless it is invested. And it should be taxed at a higher rate the more of it there is. The most unfair, and destructive tax in the USA is the social Security tax. It is a flat 15% of payroll on the first 93 thousand dollars of income. It starts at the first dollar. In the interest of justice it should end at the last dollar. Just that one change would cure all the financial woes of Social Security.
Regarding Self Sufficiency. YOU aren't self sufficient, nor am I nor are the insanely rich.
We are interdependent. Without Truck Drivers...no jobs. Period, no jobs. Without garbage collectors, we are buried in garbage in a couple of weeks. Buried, not able to do anything but deal with garbage. Eliminate store clerks, you eliminate stores. take the cleaning crew out of the factory, you have to increase factory workers to do the cleaning, or close the factory.
The Richest Man in the world is DEPENDENT on millions of people for his wealth. Self sufficient is pure myth. A hermit, living in the hills with a handmade bow and arrows, and seeds gathered from the forest Might be as close to self sufficient as anyone can get, and as close to ABSOLUTE poverty as possible, and as he ages, dead or dependent on others for survival.

So, what is the roll of government in all this. At the very least it should be involved in providing a stable legal framework for doing business. A framework that provides security from crime, that provides security for workers and employers, and provides a just framework for working out disputes. So, the government should provide for the common defense, and the general welfare. It should provide for paying for its own operation. So it must have the power to tax, and to enforce payment. People in the US are permitted to move about freely. I can work my whole life in Iowa, and retire to Florida, or Alabama, if you can give me a reason. If Iowa provides a retirement for All the People who work there, they get all the workers, unless every other state does the same thing. It is that same thing issue that puts the feds into welfare, and Social Security and Medicare. It is that same thing that puts them into education and voting rights, and employment opportunity and housing opportunity et al.

Companies move to Arizona because we have a right to work law keeping wages down. If you don't have a right to work law, Arizona has an advantage. If Arizona's Right to work law is repealed, you are not at a disadvantage. I predict that within the next twenty years, a Federal Right to Work law will be proposed. As a liberal, were I in congress, I would propose legislation allowing closed shops in any company involved in interstate commerce. That has two effects. Local Companies, like Toms Shoe store could benefit from the right to work law, but Wal Mart could not. We disagree because you believe the Paternal Corporation still exists. I don't believe that, and would make it the paternal government to replace the paternal corporation.
Ed. The problem I have with the "paternal gov't" is their inherent, bureaucratic lack of monetary fiscal responsibility. Just to use the latest defense bill as an example (lets not debate the bill itself right now, that's another matter entirely), there are massive amounts of our money (billions of $'s) going to such things as spinich farmers in CA and tree replacement god knows where. I don't understand why OUR federal tax $'s need to go to these purposes. Why can't the state of CA use their own local taxes to pickup their own spinich farmers. If the bowl weavil hits cotton in AL then AL should pick up the tab to help their farmers. Our gov't spends 200+ M$'s of our money for a bridge to no where. The federal gov't has way too much power over our lives. They need to return some of that power to the states who can manage their local issues a whole lot better than people 1000 miles away in DC.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by excelman:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed. My first comment is petty but begrudge me the point. While I would agree that you helped pay my wages while I have been in the service, I have also paid for MY OWN WAGES because I get taxed just like you do. Sorry, but that is a BIG pet peeve of mine.
I agree with a good portion of what you have said here up to the point that both of us are "faced with an ongoing fight to protect ourselves from the greed and avarice of a powerful and concerted drive to impoverish, not just us, but our children and our children's children for the benefit of an elite few". You don't specify who you think is trying to impoverish us. If you believe that it's conservatives in gov't I would have to disagree. I truly believe that true conservatism believes in sefl determination. It believes that no man needs the gov't to hold his hand or provide his living for him. In this great country we live in, there is no reason why a man (or woman) can't stand up on their own 2 feet and make a good life for themselves. The founding fathers made a point of this in the statement "that all powers not specified for the federal gov't belong to the states" (not an exact quote, in a hurry to finish the post). The Federal gov't should have NO major involvement in our lives other than the basic services (ie. defense, roads etc..). The fed's have usurped entirely too much power from the states and should return such forth with. This nation was founded as a constitutional republic and should return to such. Give the power back to the states and locallities and many of the problems we experience with the Fed's would disapear. If you take away some of the monsters size, you wouldn't have to feed the monster so much. I know this kinda rambles, I hope it gives you a better idea on my true feelings concerning gov't


I am so confused after this last post of yours. The current administration has grown the government to the largest in history, it has taken away more of your Constitutional rights than at any time in American history, it has run up the largest debt in history, and has handed the nations wealth over to the rich elite, all the things you say you are opposed to, but you still support the Republicans and Bush? Your views are not consistant with your politics it seems to me.


If you want to talk debt talk real #'s based off GDP and we are no where NEAR the largest debt in history. What constitutional right have YOU lost? What "rich elite" do we have now that we didn't have under Clinton? Lastly, do you see Bush or republican in my post ANYWHERE? I am a conservative, not a republican. I believe in small gov't not what we have now. What part of that don't you understand? If the big gov't liberals have their way we will have an even LARGER gov't than we have now.




We have the largest debt in our history. The GDP may be growing but so is the debt and it is a ticking time bomb. The interest we pay is a disgrace. We now import more then we export and it will catch up to us as soon as the credit is cut off. The funny thing is that when Clinton was president and he was stuck with the debt Reagan and Bush Sr had run up the Debt was the rallying cry of conservatives. Real conservatives are concerned about it.

We have lost the 4th amendment with the government now allowed to enter a persons home without the person being there or knowledge and not being notified until months later. The government now spy on it's citizens, wire taps and reads e mails. The 4th amendment has been slowly stripped away over the years by the Supreme Court.

We always had a rich elite but they have increased their wealth and widened the income gap under Bush. Actually they did better under Clinton then they did under Reagan but at least under Clinton working people also did better.

The government has grown under Bush and it's mainly for surveillance and files on it's citizens. You would think that a real conservative would be concerned about and actually real conservatives, like Paul Craig Roberts and Kevin Phillips have been criticizing Bush for his high deficits and the secrecy and growth of government.

Liberals "big" govenrment are for services that help the people.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by excelman:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed. My first comment is petty but begrudge me the point. While I would agree that you helped pay my wages while I have been in the service, I have also paid for MY OWN WAGES because I get taxed just like you do. Sorry, but that is a BIG pet peeve of mine.
I agree with a good portion of what you have said here up to the point that both of us are "faced with an ongoing fight to protect ourselves from the greed and avarice of a powerful and concerted drive to impoverish, not just us, but our children and our children's children for the benefit of an elite few". You don't specify who you think is trying to impoverish us. If you believe that it's conservatives in gov't I would have to disagree. I truly believe that true conservatism believes in sefl determination. It believes that no man needs the gov't to hold his hand or provide his living for him. In this great country we live in, there is no reason why a man (or woman) can't stand up on their own 2 feet and make a good life for themselves. The founding fathers made a point of this in the statement "that all powers not specified for the federal gov't belong to the states" (not an exact quote, in a hurry to finish the post). The Federal gov't should have NO major involvement in our lives other than the basic services (ie. defense, roads etc..). The fed's have usurped entirely too much power from the states and should return such forth with. This nation was founded as a constitutional republic and should return to such. Give the power back to the states and locallities and many of the problems we experience with the Fed's would disapear. If you take away some of the monsters size, you wouldn't have to feed the monster so much. I know this kinda rambles, I hope it gives you a better idea on my true feelings concerning gov't


I am so confused after this last post of yours. The current administration has grown the government to the largest in history, it has taken away more of your Constitutional rights than at any time in American history, it has run up the largest debt in history, and has handed the nations wealth over to the rich elite, all the things you say you are opposed to, but you still support the Republicans and Bush? Your views are not consistant with your politics it seems to me.


If you want to talk debt talk real #'s based off GDP and we are no where NEAR the largest debt in history. What constitutional right have YOU lost? What "rich elite" do we have now that we didn't have under Clinton? Lastly, do you see Bush or republican in my post ANYWHERE? I am a conservative, not a republican. I believe in small gov't not what we have now. What part of that don't you understand? If the big gov't liberals have their way we will have an even LARGER gov't than we have now.




We have the largest debt in our history. The GDP may be growing but so is the debt and it is a ticking time bomb. The interest we pay is a disgrace. We now import more then we export and it will catch up to us as soon as the credit is cut off. The funny thing is that when Clinton was president and he was stuck with the debt Reagan and Bush Sr had run up the Debt was the rallying cry of conservatives. Real conservatives are concerned about it.

We have lost the 4th amendment with the government now allowed to enter a persons home without the person being there or knowledge and not being notified until months later. The government now spy on it's citizens, wire taps and reads e mails. The 4th amendment has been slowly stripped away over the years by the Supreme Court.

We always had a rich elite but they have increased their wealth and widened the income gap under Bush. Actually they did better under Clinton then they did under Reagan but at least under Clinton working people also did better.

The government has grown under Bush and it's mainly for surveillance and files on it's citizens. You would think that a real conservative would be concerned about and actually real conservatives, like Paul Craig Roberts and Kevin Phillips have been criticizing Bush for his high deficits and the secrecy and growth of government.

Liberals "big" govenrment are for services that help the people.


Sorry PBA. If my choice is RINO's that are conservatives 50% of the time or Dem's that are conservative 0% of the time I will take the RINO's EVERY TIME.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Sorry PBA. If my choice is RINO's that are conservatives 50% of the time or Dem's that are conservative 0% of the time I will take the RINO's EVERY TIME.

Refer to the economy of CALIFORNIA. Alone, it is the 6th largest economy in the world. It is a liberal state, has a high rate of unionization, Trades totally freely with 49 other states, receives and dispatches about 30 percent of all imports and exports into the United States. Has a Republican Governor who is a little more conservative that Franklin Roosevelt. Has a Democrat controlled Legislature. Balances its budget every year. Has the highest number, and percentage of Illegal Immigrants of any state in the Union. Is the entry point for the majority of illegal immigration. Has nearly 15 million workers, with an average annual income of $42,510. Pre School Teachers average nearly 12 dollars an hour. Pharmacists average over 50 an hour. Home Health aids are under 9 dollars an hour. Firefighters average over 56 thousand a year.

AND DON'T FORGET, CALIFORNIA IS THE LIBERAL CAPITAL OF THE COUNTRY.
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Originally posted by jcrowder:
Cheney has totally exhausted his credibility with most of the American people. That neocon warmongering weasel will live in infamy as the most nefarious Vice President in American history!


Really, sold out his own daughter in support of a constitutional amendment which he and dumbya knew would not pass - just to get re-elected. Pandering low-life slime.



AMEN to BOTH of you!!!!
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I was taught to "call a spade a spade". If Congress is trying to micromanage Iraq and play polotics with war funding they are undermining the war effort and our Soldiers in the field.
The way you put it, it would seem that you are accusing Congress of undermining the best interests of the United States. If the Congress is undermining the best interest of the United States, they are undermining the United States. THAT IS TREASON. Now, you say you have never used the word Treason in this discussion, and I will not argue that point. You probably have not.
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Webster's defines Treason as: 1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY. The definition of undermine, in metaphor: 3 : to subvert or weaken insidiously or secretly <trying to undermine his political rivals>
4 : to weaken or ruin by degrees. Insidious: 1 a : awaiting a chance to entrap : TREACHEROUS and finally the definition of Treacherous: 1 : violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence : TREASON
2 : an act of perfidy or treason


PLEASE, SAY AGAIN THAT YOU NEVER SAID TREASON.


Based off your definition above, I would have to say that yes Congress is being treasonous and treacherous in their actions.
Wasn't that easy.


Yes. They have made it pretty easy to reach that conclusion.


OHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYY GOSHH!!!! I cannot believe what I am reading...

I will say it one more time... someone who is SO MISINFORMED as SP is, HAS to be VERY VERY young, or just sits there with their nose in Fox news all the time... I am guessing VERY VERY young though!!!

I just CANNOT believe my eyes though on that comment!!!!! The comment ALONE is HORRIBLE!!!


Read the chain KS. Based strictly off Ed's definiton, the conclusion I made is a valid one, IMHO. You have made the "VERY young" comment before and it doesn't hold water. I can assure that 18 years of military service and supporting myself in this world since I was 16 has given me a very clear view of how the world works. I have also explained to you in the past that I actually do the work to get outside of the MSM box (to which you are so terribly chained to) and find out the way things really are. I don't rely on ANY one source for ANY of my views. Research is the only way to know what is really going on out there.


I do research, all the time... I watch EVERY single news channel, I read newspapers, USA Today papers, and search on the internet... I am not inside a box... I have had a flourishing career for over 27 years now, which I am still IN... so no box there either...

But I do owe you an apology, I have said some rather ugly things, and I should not have assumed you were very young... even though we disagree on the Political end, we also agree on life in general... so one should cancel out the other???? I hope so!!

Moving all the topics of this forum around so people can ACTUALLY talk about things NOT associated with ONLY Politics has helped us/me get a much better understanding of everyone here... and for that I am thankful!!!! I knew it would take a little time, but there is actual interaction coming about... not just the "AT YOUR THROAT" Politics all the time....

Sorry Southern Patriot... I was wrong about you in a lot of ways!!!
Southern Patriot, I had to browbeat you to make you admit it, but you have accused some members of the House and Senate of Committing Treason.
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exploring Constitutional conflicts: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/warandtreaty.htm

The Constitution divides war powers between the Congress and the President. This division was intended by the framers to ensure that wars would not be entered into easily: it takes two keys, not one, to start the engine of war.

The Constitution's division of powers leaves the President with some exclusive powers as Commander-in-Chief (such as decisions on the field of battle), Congress with certain other exclusive powers (such as the ability to declare war and appropriate dollars to support the war effort), and a sort of "twilight zone" of concurrent powers. In the zone of concurrent powers, the Congress might effectively limit presidential power, but in the absence of express congressional limitations the President is free to act.

I believe the specific act you were referring to was the passage of a bill funding operations, and requiring the operations to end at a date certain. WHAT PART OF DOING THE JOB OF CONGRESSMAN IS TREASONOUS?
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I was taught to "call a spade a spade". If Congress is trying to micromanage Iraq and play polotics with war funding they are undermining the war effort and our Soldiers in the field.
The way you put it, it would seem that you are accusing Congress of undermining the best interests of the United States. If the Congress is undermining the best interest of the United States, they are undermining the United States. THAT IS TREASON. Now, you say you have never used the word Treason in this discussion, and I will not argue that point. You probably have not.
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Webster's defines Treason as: 1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY. The definition of undermine, in metaphor: 3 : to subvert or weaken insidiously or secretly <trying to undermine his political rivals>
4 : to weaken or ruin by degrees. Insidious: 1 a : awaiting a chance to entrap : TREACHEROUS and finally the definition of Treacherous: 1 : violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence : TREASON
2 : an act of perfidy or treason


PLEASE, SAY AGAIN THAT YOU NEVER SAID TREASON.


Based off your definition above, I would have to say that yes Congress is being treasonous and treacherous in their actions.
Wasn't that easy.


Yes. They have made it pretty easy to reach that conclusion.


OHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYY GOSHH!!!! I cannot believe what I am reading...

I will say it one more time... someone who is SO MISINFORMED as SP is, HAS to be VERY VERY young, or just sits there with their nose in Fox news all the time... I am guessing VERY VERY young though!!!

I just CANNOT believe my eyes though on that comment!!!!! The comment ALONE is HORRIBLE!!!


Read the chain KS. Based strictly off Ed's definiton, the conclusion I made is a valid one, IMHO. You have made the "VERY young" comment before and it doesn't hold water. I can assure that 18 years of military service and supporting myself in this world since I was 16 has given me a very clear view of how the world works. I have also explained to you in the past that I actually do the work to get outside of the MSM box (to which you are so terribly chained to) and find out the way things really are. I don't rely on ANY one source for ANY of my views. Research is the only way to know what is really going on out there.


I do research, all the time... I watch EVERY single news channel, I read newspapers, USA Today papers, and search on the internet... I am not inside a box... I have had a flourishing career for over 27 years now, which I am still IN... so no box there either...

But I do owe you an apology, I have said some rather ugly things, and I should not have assumed you were very young... even though we disagree on the Political end, we also agree on life in general... so one should cancel out the other???? I hope so!!

Moving all the topics of this forum around so people can ACTUALLY talk about things NOT associated with ONLY Politics has helped us/me get a much better understanding of everyone here... and for that I am thankful!!!! I knew it would take a little time, but there is actual interaction coming about... not just the "AT YOUR THROAT" Politics all the time....

Sorry Southern Patriot... I was wrong about you in a lot of ways!!!
SP, I said that was easy wasn't it? Regarding your admission that you had CHARGED treason. Not that you reached an easy conclusion. (see above)
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I was taught to "call a spade a spade". If Congress is trying to micromanage Iraq and play polotics with war funding they are undermining the war effort and our Soldiers in the field.
The way you put it, it would seem that you are accusing Congress of undermining the best interests of the United States. If the Congress is undermining the best interest of the United States, they are undermining the United States. THAT IS TREASON. Now, you say you have never used the word Treason in this discussion, and I will not argue that point. You probably have not.
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Webster's defines Treason as: 1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY. The definition of undermine, in metaphor: 3 : to subvert or weaken insidiously or secretly <trying to undermine his political rivals>
4 : to weaken or ruin by degrees. Insidious: 1 a : awaiting a chance to entrap : TREACHEROUS and finally the definition of Treacherous: 1 : violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence : TREASON
2 : an act of perfidy or treason


PLEASE, SAY AGAIN THAT YOU NEVER SAID TREASON.


Based off your definition above, I would have to say that yes Congress is being treasonous and treacherous in their actions.
Wasn't that easy.


Yes. They have made it pretty easy to reach that conclusion.


OHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYY GOSHH!!!! I cannot believe what I am reading...

I will say it one more time... someone who is SO MISINFORMED as SP is, HAS to be VERY VERY young, or just sits there with their nose in Fox news all the time... I am guessing VERY VERY young though!!!

I just CANNOT believe my eyes though on that comment!!!!! The comment ALONE is HORRIBLE!!!


Read the chain KS. Based strictly off Ed's definiton, the conclusion I made is a valid one, IMHO. You have made the "VERY young" comment before and it doesn't hold water. I can assure that 18 years of military service and supporting myself in this world since I was 16 has given me a very clear view of how the world works. I have also explained to you in the past that I actually do the work to get outside of the MSM box (to which you are so terribly chained to) and find out the way things really are. I don't rely on ANY one source for ANY of my views. Research is the only way to know what is really going on out there.


I do research, all the time... I watch EVERY single news channel, I read newspapers, USA Today papers, and search on the internet... I am not inside a box... I have had a flourishing career for over 27 years now, which I am still IN... so no box there either...

But I do owe you an apology, I have said some rather ugly things, and I should not have assumed you were very young... even though we disagree on the Political end, we also agree on life in general... so one should cancel out the other???? I hope so!!

Moving all the topics of this forum around so people can ACTUALLY talk about things NOT associated with ONLY Politics has helped us/me get a much better understanding of everyone here... and for that I am thankful!!!! I knew it would take a little time, but there is actual interaction coming about... not just the "AT YOUR THROAT" Politics all the time....

Sorry Southern Patriot... I was wrong about you in a lot of ways!!!
SP, I said that was easy wasn't it? Regarding your admission that you had CHARGED treason. Not that you reached an easy conclusion. (see above)
I can't resist this, is the middle of the hour glass down to one word per line yet? Smiler
What I love the most is the slogan they used such as cut and run Democrats,That is easy to say when you wasn't one of the thirtysomething hundred killed and you don't have any love ones fighting a war or got killed over another get rich Republican war, You guys are a bunch of sick S-b's claiming to be holy as they come. I would tell you how I really feel,but it would be ugly and as for Chaney and the other oil barrons, Why don't they tell how many barrels a day they are getting down in South Africa with each oil well Chaney and Haliburtion are drilling Daily,The information I got was no less than ten thousand a day, Drillng daily seven days a week,So hurry to the pumps before it goes up or is the story run out, We heard so much BullS--t under this admin.you don't know which lie to believe, How many billions did they make in one quarter,I'm sure the oil companies lied about that also,You dumb Americans need to cut back on your useage and save fuel,Where in there mind where they can go up and not have to produce as much,How many times have you heard that one.
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What I love the most is the slogan they used such as cut and run Democrats,That is easy to say when you wasn't one of the thirtysomething hundred killed and you don't have any love ones fighting a war or got killed over another get rich Republican war, You guys are a bunch of sick S-b's claiming to be holy as they come. I would tell you how I really feel,but it would be ugly and as for Chaney and the other oil barrons, Why don't they tell how many barrels a day they are getting down in South Africa with each oil well Chaney and Haliburtion are drilling Daily,The information I got was no less than ten thousand a day, Drillng daily seven days a week,So hurry to the pumps before it goes up or is the story run out, We heard so much BullS--t under this admin.you don't know which lie to believe, How many billions did they make in one quarter,I'm sure the oil companies lied about that also,You dumb Americans need to cut back on your useage and save fuel,Where in there mind where they can go up and not have to produce as much,How many times have you heard that one.


Do you feel better after your mindless rant?
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Originally posted by chop760:
What I love the most is the slogan they used such as cut and run Democrats,That is easy to say when you wasn't one of the thirtysomething hundred killed and you don't have any love ones fighting a war or got killed over another get rich Republican war, You guys are a bunch of sick S-b's claiming to be holy as they come. I would tell you how I really feel,but it would be ugly and as for Chaney and the other oil barrons, Why don't they tell how many barrels a day they are getting down in South Africa with each oil well Chaney and Haliburtion are drilling Daily,The information I got was no less than ten thousand a day, Drillng daily seven days a week,So hurry to the pumps before it goes up or is the story run out, We heard so much BullS--t under this admin.you don't know which lie to believe, How many billions did they make in one quarter,I'm sure the oil companies lied about that also,You dumb Americans need to cut back on your useage and save fuel,Where in there mind where they can go up and not have to produce as much,How many times have you heard that one.


Well said... been a while since I was at this post... had to read all the last page ...

I like what you said, and what you said is VERY valid, due to what is happening right now with the families of those who are THERE.. and the families of those who are going back after ONLY a 7 month break... my heart aches for them!!!

I have not had a single email from the 8 Soldiers I email almost daily... for about 5 days now, ... hopefully it is because they cannot find a place for Internet connection!!! I pray it isn't something bad... Frowner

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