Chick -- I Have NEVER Wanted To See You Banned!

Folks, this is the "Religion" forum. Now, I try to live right, but am not perfect. I would not intentionally tell a lie. What does it look like to atheists and those simply trying to decide if God exists if they read this?

It's either/or. Is Bill Gray telling a lie? Is Semiannual Chick telling a lie? We have to decide for ourselves. I know what I believe. But it is sad that there have to be sides in something like this. It's sad when people see the need to lie just to get attention.

I guess I missed what got wooly "banned". I've never seen a lot to get people banned except for a few exceptions, but most of those are still around. I for one don't go running to "teacher". I guess anyone could consider anything "ban worthy" and imo if the mods wanted to get nitpicky about it most all could be banned, including you bill. I don't know how PMs work, but would consider them just that, private and out of the control of the mods. Just my opinion. I haven't seen anyone's family "defamed" in the open forum so I guess bill is saying it was in a PM.

Yet, I pray that we can all learn from this.  We can have discussions, debates, even arguments -- without becoming crude and lewd -- and without involving other member's families and spouses.  It does not matter if a member has posted something about an incident which includes his/her family or spouse -- that does not give anyone an "open season" license to defame another forum member's family or spouse.
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Who defamed your family or wife? You keep insinuating that but I've never seen it. Now it could be that it happened and I missed it. I do know one thing you called an attack that was no such thing. This was a while after you bragged about getting a waitress fired because your wife reported to you that she had been mistreated by this waitress because she, your wife, was filipino. We had a discussion about g a y s and I ask you a simple question. I said to you that you were upset when you felt your wife had been discriminated against, so how could you not realize how it felt to g a y people to have the same thing done to them? You called THAT an attack on your wife. Talk about twisting words and posts!! You put all your information in a public forum and then cry attack when anyone asks you a question.

Bestworking, what Bill is referring to can be found in the thread "None hold a candle to them".

This is what Bill reported Wooly for.

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Originally Posted by WoolyBugger:

bILL, i HAVE  a picture for you but I dont want to put it here on the public forum,  please start a private dialog with me and I will send it to you. If it is who I think it is , you may want to contact the site and demand they drop it or sue them. Then again it might not be your wife.

BILL! I AM SERIOUS ABOUT THE PICTURE< I WAS TOLD IT WAS YOUR WIFE AND IT HAS A CAPTION WRITTEN ON IT> THE CAPTION IS NOT NICE AT ALL> I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOUR WIFE>IF IT WAS MY WIFE I WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT SO I COULD TAKE STEPS TO HAVE IT REMOVED>  DO A DIOLOG< I WILL PROVE I AM NOT LYING< I WILL NOT TELL YOU WHO SENT IT> YOU WILL WANT TO CONTACT THE SIGHT IF IT IS YOUR WIFE> I DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR WIFE LOOKS LIKE. AND I DONT KNOW IF IT IS HER BUT I WAS TOLD IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW, BEFORE YOU GET ME KICKED OUT BECAUSE YOU MISSUNDERSTOOD MY OTHER POST TO YOU, I ASK YOU TO FORWARD THIS ONE TO THE MODS TOO.

Bill, I am not trying to defame you or your wife here. I was only trying to show the reason you reported Wooly.   I don't often agree with you, but I wouldn't attack your family for spite. YOU, possibly...  

  It does not matter if a member has posted something about an incident which includes his/her family or spouse -- that does not give anyone an "open season" license to defame another forum member's family or spouse.

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This is the part I was posting about. Bill claimed I had attacked his wife when I ask how he could discriminate against others when it upset him so much if he thought someone had done that to his family.

Obviously dear Wooly (sic) didn't have Bill's best interest at heart or he would have started a private dialogue. Perhaps it relates to the view of women some Mormon males have?

I don't blame Bill for reporting that.

Where are you trying to go with this, Bill? To try & make me look bad? To try & make me look like a liar? To try & make yourself look good? (Is that even possible?)

I don't care because people already have a formed opinion of me. I'm blunt & say what I think. I tiptoe around no no one. Maybe that's wrong to some people but that's just me & if someone can tell me why it's  wrong, I have no problem listening.

I'm not surprised you would deny my words. We deny that we're tired, we deny that we're scared, we deny how badly we want to succeed. And most importantly, we deny that we're in denial. Denial has a way of sneaking up & biting us in the butt.

You say you did not ask the mods to ban Dwight? I read the post where you said you were going to report him, as I'm sure others did too. If you didn't want him banned, what was your intent to report him for?

Ronnie and O No did post messages chastising Dwight, but I didn't see where they posted they were going to report him as you did.

I have only reported someone ONE time & it's been so long ago, I honestly can't remember why or who it was.

You say only a few people have persisted in bringing families & spouses into discussions in a negative  manner. You have always been persistent in mentioning that your wife is Filipino. It may not be considered negative but why do you do that? Many of us have asked you that but you always refuse to answer. Is it supposed to impress us in some way?

I remember when Deep was banned for flying that banner in a message aimed at you & I remember you told him that you were going to report him. I’ve read many times where you made the threat to report people. I don’t know that you reported them but I do know you made the threat.

Why should I care that you had a problem for the TD to fix, much less that I would need Joy to attest to it????

One more thing, Bill. I'm not your friend, nor do I want to be. I do feel sorry for you & this need you have to condemn people. I believe that stems from a self esteem problem & a low opinion of yourself. Anyone that is constantly putting others down has a need to make themselves feel good.

I believe we should try to make people feel good, encourage them. You never know when someone may need an encouraging word, or be shown some kindness, especially behind a computer screen. I have no problem discussing the Bible, having scripture put out there to prove/disprove something. I'm all about learning, someone giving me something to ponder on that I may not have ever thought about before. It's all about how a person goes about it. You go about it all wrong & I can't see how a loving/compassionate God (if He exist) can be pleased with your type of condemning people.

I wish you no ill will, I just feel sorry for you & the type of Christianity you put out there.

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I understand where where you're coming from but my comments about Bill trying to get me banned is just that....a comment. I am not trying to convince anyone, & don't care if anyone believes me or not. Bill knows the truth, as do I. The times I've made the comment is when it's mentioned that someone else has been banned, or has been reported. I'm not asking for anyone to "take my side". We can agree/disagree without having to take anyone's side. We agree or disagree because it's our opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

It is sad when someone will lie to get attention but there is people that do that. I'm curious how you think my comments about my getting banned is somehow to get attention? I'm not here to get any kind of attention. I'm here to learn & because most of the people here I truly like. I don't care if they're believers or non-believers. It all comes down to how we treat others.

We may not know each other personally, only as much as we can know someone behind a computer, but I believe you can somewhat know someone just by daily conversations with them & how they see things.

May not be your opinion but it's mine.

I have a question for you. What does it look like to atheists & those simply trying to decide if God exists if they read about Bill's condemnation & constant judgment of others? Where's the love/compassion?

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BUT, & these are Bill's words [quote] I did not ask them to ban Dwight [unquote].

What do you report someone for if not to get them banned?

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I just said both could not be telling the truth. I didn't say if I thought you or if I though Bill lied. I just saw a photo of (I guess) Dwight/Wooly thumbing his nose at Bill. I would guess that is what got him banned.

You can report someone to get a post deleted can't you? Why do you think it's only to have someone banned? And really I never know how to take you, chick. Look at that smiley face after one of your sentences. It looks like you're laughing at me. I really don't care if you do. I'm sure I've been laughed at plenty of times, but with your attitude I'm sure you have too. In fact I know you have since I got some comments when I mentioned losing a child. I'm sorry you lost a child in death and I won't play phychologist too often, but maybe that's the root of needing attention or reassurance or whatever.

Semi,

I have reported posts or threads, to get the mods to remove the thread or post, but not with the intention or desire to get anyone banned. I thought we could report individual items without getting someone banned.  Exception-those spammer ads that were popping up everywhere a few months ago. I DID try to get them banned.

It has to be something that I consider really bad for me to report it. I don't offend that easily.

I've never thought you posted anything that needed to be reported.

As for this quote from you:

"I have a question for you. What does it look like to atheists & those simply trying to decide if God exists if they read about Bill's condemnation & constant judgment of others? Where's the love/compassion?" - It probably makes them think "if he's a reflection of God, I want no part of it." That is unfortunate, because in my opinion, he is not a true reflection of HIM.  God is Great! He has blessed me in so many ways. I can't explain it, I can't prove He exists, I can't persuade anyone else one way or the other. I can't debate scriptures all day long. I just know in my heart that He is real.    

Infomercial, I don't think you are reading the emoticons accurately. A smiley face is just that - a smile. It is most often used to indicate that no one means any offence by what they posted. It is another way of saying "peace".

A LAUGHING face, indicates GOOD NATURED laughter most of the time, although I have used it myself on occasion to laugh at an outrageous post.

With all of the new emoticons available on this newer version of the forum, one can express just about any feeling. Something grosses you out, you put up one of these - .  Someone posts something inanae, put one of these bad boys up - . If you want to razz someone, post one of these - . If someone makes you angry, . Embarrassed? Try this - . Confused? - . Shocked? - .

But a smile is always a smile, and should never be mistaken for someone laughing at you. Especially in this case. I know Semi well enough to know that she would never laugh at someone without explaining WHY.

So, peace out.

First, my goal and my desire is NOT to ask anyone to take sides.  My goal is to lay the facts on the table, in one post, with as much info as available -- so that folks can better understand what has transpired.   Better to see all the facts on one table -- than to have bits and pieces spread over multiple posts and discussions.

You ask, "What does it look like to atheists and those simply trying to decide if God exists if they read this?"

Hopefully, it will look like what it is -- believers and non-believers having dialogues over issues where we may agree or disagree.  But, doing it in a civil, non-antagonistic fashion.   That is my sincere desire; to encourage all of us to discuss issues without getting nasty, throwing rocks, making accusations, and name calling. 

I can agree with you -- or I can disagree with you -- and still consider you my Friend.  That is my desire for all of us on the Religion Forum.

And, even if we cannot reach this goal; at least by encouraging more folks to try this non-antagonistic pathway -- our Forum will be more interesting, more civil, and we can have more intelligent discussions.  I pray that is the goal of all who come here to communicate with other members.

This could encourage many of those who are only readers to jump into the pool, become forum members, and begin to join in our discussions.

So "What does it look like to atheists and those simply trying to decide if God exists if they read this?"

I pray that it looks like a Friendly Forum where we all can come and learn.  But, it should never become a Forum where those with strong beliefs and faith would have to surrender or compromise their faith -- just to be accepted.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I pray that it looks like a Friendly Forum where we all can come and learn.  But, it should never become a Forum where those with strong beliefs and faith would have to surrender or compromise their faith -- just to be accepted

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Ahhhhhh, if only that was what you truly wanted. What you mean is everyone besides mormons, atheists, and anyone else that doesn't believe like you shouldn't have to surrender or compromise their faith. What would you like to "learn" bill? Seems to me you think you know it all already.

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Seems like you hit it right on the head there, Best

Billie has an unholy agenda.

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You an' Dwight still winnin' hearts an' minds, eh, BeeG?

EL-OH-EL.

 If I was you, I'd look iinto another line o' work.

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Why would you say that’s it’s sad that there have to be sides in something like this, if you weren’t trying to decide who’s side to be on? I don’t want you or anyone else “on my side”. If you agree with something I say, so be it. If you agree with Bill, so be it, I don’t care either way. I don’t think anyone is here to win any popularity contest, I know I’m certainly not.

I didn’t see the picture you’re speaking of. If someone were to thumb their nose at me, I would take it they didn’t like me & move on. I wouldn’t see it as ban worthy. Yes, you can report a post in hopes it will get deleted but usually they ban the person that made the post, not always but usually.

As to the smiley faces, O No explained it perfectly. I think you’ve mentioned it before about my using smiley faces. Why is it you feel the need to reprimand me for using a smiley face? I see people using them on here all the time, & have never seen you reprimand anyone else. If you don’t understand them & what they are for read

O No’s post carefully, & maybe you will understand.

And this has me completely confused. Why would you say with my attitude you’re sure I have been laughed at too? My attitude? Can you explain to me exactly what my attitude is?

And with this one, it seems you’re intentionally being cruel. “I'm sorry you lost a child in death and I won't play phychologist too often, but maybe that's the root of needing attention or reassurance or whatever”.

Why would you think I need attention or reassurance? Yes, I lost a child & would never wish that on anyone. Yes, I did see a grief counselor, whom was a psychologist.

Do you think a person has to be crazy to see a grief counselor? It’s no more than to help someone thru the grieving process, to help them cope with the symptoms & changes in their life when they have lost a child.

You’re sorry I lost a child but in the same breath (sentence),  you tell me I need “attention or reassurance or whatever”? But you won’t play psychologist?

That’s exactly what you just did, & in a very cruel way.

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Thank you, my friend, you explained it perfectly.

Now I'm curious to see if Infomercial will reprimand you as he has me for using them.