Chick-fil-a

"The Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender," according to the statement. "Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena," it said.

I don't think he recanted his statement.  I think chik- fil-a doesn't want to talk about it anymore.  

The above statement  isn't really recanting...... 

vp,
The hullabaloo is about informing supporters of equality what they're helping to finance by eating at that his restaurants. He's more than welcome to his prejudiced Biblical beliefs and to run his business as he sees fit. The public also has a right to know that Chick-fil-A is anti-GLBT equality and uses millions in profits from restaurant sales to fights against marriage equality.

This is not at all about him speaking up for whatever (kooky things) he believes in. It's about having the choice not to pay into something that is counter to your interests - just like your lack of financial support of the Catholic church. It's simple capitalist economics.

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Veep, 

You don't tithe?  

This may be the link

 

http://radio.foxnews.com/todds...es-gay-marriage.html

A-dot- Yes I get your point- completely. I guess I am just surprised at the huge reaction. I mean, the happy meals come with religious material, it's closed on Sunday... Wouldn't one already deduce that it is not a business that would be pro same-sex marriage? Just don't understand the outrage and boycotts at this point...

Hod- A few years ago we decided to redirect our tithe money to other organizations. (world food program, dwb) I know it's a sin, but I'll take that hit for what I believe is right.... If and when the bureaucracy of the church locally and worldwide improves, I'm sure we will start again. It's complicated.

Well? Actually? Is it a sin?? I give a lot of money to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and help the sick- just not through the church. That poses an interesting question - I wonder if that is acceptable(and I pray it is)

Please pray about that, I'll pray too.  It's important.  

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It is a sin.  We must tithe. 

:-) I'll be praying about it. 

I mean the money you donate to all the other organization is great! But we still can't neglect our church. 

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I have not followed the story at all. I've seen quick mentions of it on FB recently but don't know how big a deal it is. My family and I have never eaten there so it's of no immediate concern to us. I assume if there's outrage it's from progressive citizens who want to publicize a company that's blatantly (though very legally) discriminatory against minority segments of our population. I'm sure there are gay Christians and other pro-GLBT Christians who frequent(ed) the place but had no idea the degree to which they were supporting anti-gay prejudice with their own money.

 From Catholic Answers:

Although the Church teaches that offering some form of material support to the Church is obligatory for all Catholic adults who are able to do so, it doesn't specify what percent of one's income should be given. Remember, tithing was an Old Testament obligation that was incumbent on the Jews under the Law of Moses. Christians are dispensed from the obligation of tithing ten percent of their incomes, but not from the obligation to help the Church.

The key to understanding how God wants us to give to the Church is found in 1 Corinthians 16:2, "On the first day of the week [Sunday] each of you should set aside whatever he can afford," and in 2 Corinthians 9:5-8,

So I thought it necessary to encourage the brothers to go on ahead to you and arrange in advance for your promised gift [donation], so that in this way it might be ready as a bountiful gift and not as an exaction. Consider this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each must do as already determined without sadness or compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Moreover, God is able to make every grace abundant for you, so that in all things, always having all you need, you may have an abundance for every good work.

To paraphrase: God doesn't demand a fixed amount of money from us; he wants us to give from the heart. If people are forced by their church to give a certain percent of their income, that's extortion. If they give freely and cheerfully the amount they are able, that's a gift.

 

Sent u a pm- not sure if it went thru......server keeps going down??

I just sent you a pm too.   

I was worried I'd pushed the issue a little aggressively.  Sorry 

No veep, it's not a sin that I believe.

I do much the same thing, except a small part to the church.

 

I think about it as all for God anyway...........lethergooo............

Yes sir.  

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The Church has plenty of money and valuable assets. It's just kept for the benefit of the hierarchy and to defend against world-wide lawsuits for encouraging child molestation. Imagine how just 1 of the Pope's bejeweled & golden thrones could feed the hungry and clothes the naked. Didn't that guy take a vow of poverty? Does he and the Cardinals get an administrative exemption??

As with the Chik-fil-A example of an capitalist boycott of an undemocratic organization, it's unconscionable that an ethical and moral person could financially support an entire institution that tacitly condones and covers up child molestation at the hands of priests to this very day.

Other than murder, can you name a single crime worse the molestation of a child?

Hod, as always I appreciate your openness and advice. But, now is not the time for me to financially support our church. Adot, no- the loss of innocence and abuse by those who are in a position of holiness, leaders, mentors is deplorable. And I do believe it pains our Lord greatly. Now, if y'all excuse me, I'm suddenly craving a chick fil a sammich!! xoxoxo

vp,
You have my sincere respect for your conscientious moral choice in regards to not $upporting the Church.

Well thank you, a. That's kind of you to say. But I take no pleasure or pride in being unable to support my church, to be sure ... But, as I've said before, my reasons are my own, and I painfully have to stick to what's right.

My opinion may not be welcomed here since I’m not a Christian but I’m going to give it anyway. Sorry, Veep.

 

I’m on FB but hadn’t heard  that Chick-fil-a- made that statement. I say more power to him for taking a stand. I’m not surprised that he has gotten a lot of grief from the gay community over his traditional family comment. Why can’t he take a stand for something he believes in just like anyone else can? Why does there have to be controversy every time someone speaks up about something they believe in? His saying he’s for the traditional family didn’t say anything bad about homosexuals, did it?

But that’s the way it is these days. We say something that sounds like it may be against something someone else believes in & everything goes to Hell in a hand basket.

 

I’m not sure what he said was a recant but it wasn’t far from one, & I’m disappointed that he did somewhat recant. Sounds to me like he can have a Christian business as long as he doesn’t talk about it. People get their panties in a wad because his religious views have an impact because he has a voice that will make it to the media front lines. If those people that's for homosexually think he’s talking against it, then they won’t have a meal at Chick Fil-A anymore.

Now he’s back stretching because he’s afraid his views will hurt his business.

He still believes what he said but he’s going to keep quiet about it from now on. I’m sure God is real proud of him. It’s the “Be a Christian but be one at a distance” kind of thing.

 

When I was a Christian I had no problem saying Homosexually was wrong because the Bible I read said it was wrong. As I’ve said before, I believe God made a female& a male to “fit”. Even though I’m one of those “not sure God exist anymore”,  I still have enough right/wrong in my soul to say I believe it’s wrong because Jesus told me it was wrong.

 

Ford Motor Company gives money to & supports gay rights. For that reason, I have family that will not buy a Ford product. Hobby Lobby is a Christian company. They close on Sunday & play Christian music in their store. I’m not going to stop shopping there because I don’t want to hear Christian music. My views & my families is no one’s business but our own & no one is going to tell me or mine that we can’t have those views. I will take a stand for my right to believe how I want & my right to free speech. I have that right as much as a homosexual has that right.

Ok, I’m off my soapbox now.

 

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No, it's not a sin.

Matthew 25:40 says "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me".

 

Some people think it's a sin because they believe you rob God if you don't. I'm sure God is very much against these churches that have millions of dollars coming in but not one poor person do they feed. It's all about a huge church, gold chandeliers, $600.00 suits for the pastor, etc.

 

I believe anyone that supports St. Judes, gives food/clothing to the poor, give to a child at Christmas that otherwise wouldn't have a Christmas, etc. is looked upon more favorably than if they put money into a church that didn't need it, or is using the money unfavorably. 

A person has to do what their heart leads them to do, & I think that's what God would want a Christian to do.

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Semi,

 

I agree that you have every right to speak freely about what you believe in. What is also true is others can choose not to deal with you based on those beliefs. Especially when the money you pay to a business is used to make donations to anti-gay groups. I don't want to support a business that discriminates and helps promote hate. That is how I see Chick fil A. Because of that I will not give them any of my money. The freedom goes both ways. Mr. Cathy can say and believe however he wants but I (and many others) will not help him spread his hate and bigotry. I have not read any where that the LBGT community and supporters have said he does not have the right to freely proclaim his beliefs, instead they are also voicing their opinions and making sure that everyone knows where a portion of the money they spend at the fast food restaurant goes. If you support anti-gay organizations then Chick fil A would be a good place to spend your money. You will walk away with a chicken sandwich and you will have made a donation to a cause you believe in at the same time.

 

Chick fil A has donated more than 5 million dollars to anti-gay organizations since 2003. If it was just Mr. Cathys beliefs we were talking about that probably wouldn't have much of an impact, but by throwing his families money behind these hate groups he is helping to also promote and push his beliefs on others. I can't support that financially or morally. To each his own I guess. You say your family does not buy Fords because they(ford) support gay rights. Its the exact same thing.

 

I think 2 consenting adults should be able to get married so I disagree with Chick-Fil-A's stance on this issue. However, this will in no way deter me from enjoying a box of nuggets on occasion.

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Doing what's right, regardless of what yer told as opposed to the other way 'round.

 

*thumbs up*

Hi Jank!   It's great to see you back!! Hope you & your family is well.

You & I agree long ago that we could agree to disagree & still be friends. Hope that still stands?

I am not very familiar with the pro family things that Chick Fil A supports and don't have a huge problem with that (at least not enough to boycott) as it would be hypocritical for me to boycott them and not also give up using gasoline as the money I use to buy oil/gas goes to some middle east ruler that actually has people executed for being gay. 

 My problem with Chick Fil A comes from another point of view and that is the bullying that they are giving the guy about the "Eat More Kale" T-Shirts http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12...-by-chick-fil-a.html

Anyway, Chick Fil A seems to think they should have the exclusive right to the phrase "eat more" and the kale guy is not the first of their victims. If I recall correctly, there was a popular bumper sticker in the 60's(or before), 70's, and 80's that read "eat more possum", this was long before chick fil a started using the phrase and likely where they got the idea for their eat more chicken phrase. 

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Semi,

 

Of course we can agree to disagree and still be friends. If I had thought you were someone that was unable to have that type of relationship I might not have responded to your post as I did. I knew however that you are always open to hearing a different point of view. That is one of the things I absolutely love about you. ((hugs))

 

Yes, the family is great. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods too.

The people who invented the "eat more possum" bumper sticker should sue Chick-Fil-A.

 

Chick-Fil-A made the statement, “We must legally protect and defend our ‘Eat mor chikin’ trademarks in order to maintain rights to the slogan.”

 

The only two words that’s the same is Eat…..two words may sound the same, but that’s it. As for Kale & chikin', completely different animals….good grief!

 

Now I want one of those “Eat More Kale” t-shirts.

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I love hearing different point of views, never know when I might learn something. It's when someone tries to shove that view down my throat, that I have problem with.

I sure have missed chatting with you. Misplaced both your & veep's email months ago.

My neck of the woods is good.

After a little diggin around on Google, it was a 50's band called the VW Boys who coined the phrase "eat more possum" and sold the bumper stickers. Interestingly they also had an album called Pickin Chicken. Wonder if that is where the Chick-fil_A boys got the phrase "eat more Chiken"?

Boston mayor vows to keep Chick-fil-A out of city Published July 20, 2012 | Associated Press BOSTON – The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage. Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population." Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family. The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect -- regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender." Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls.

Terrible. Unless Chick-Fil-A is actively discriminating against gay people at its restaurants, there's no legal basis for preventing them form opening new locations just based on the political opinions and donations of the company's owner. This is probably just a stupid mayor pandering for votes, because there's no way he can legally stop Chick-Fil-A from opening more restaurants, unless they just decide that it's not worth the trouble of taking the city to court.

 

Give me a Pork Chop any day.

Kermit is now anti Chick-Fil-A.

From the company's Facebook page:
"The Jim Henson Company has celebrated and embraced diversity and inclusiveness for over fifty years and we have notified Chick-Fil-A that we do not wish to partner with them on any future endeavors.  Lisa Henson, our CEO is personally a strong supporter of gay marriage and has directed us to donate the payment we received from Chick-Fil-A to GLAAD. (http://www.glaad.org/)"

The Jim Henson Company used to provide toys for their kids meals. Now they're taking Chick-Fil-A money and donating it to fund GLBT advocacy

Mr. Cathy was quoted as saying, "We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."

He's right. He's also learning that we live in a country where Americans and their companies can work to ostracize you for trying to deny equal rights to other Americans, even if it's done in the name of God.

I have a problem with this. If GLAAD or any other group or individuals want to boycott or refuse to do business with Chik Fil A fine. But when government starts picking who can and who can't do business based on what the owner believes it goes too far. 

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