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Those of you who will, please pray for Kinley McGee. She is a fifth-grader at Lexington battling an inoperable brain tumor, and really, really, needs tons of prayers right now!
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Thank you Raine! This 10 yr old is really going through a very tough time right now.Docs have done all they can, she needs a miracle...
She will remain in my prayers, for sure.....
If it makes you feel better, go right ahead. It won't help her, though.
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:
If it makes you feel better, go right ahead. It won't help her, though.
Hi Crusty,
You, my Friend, are a real ray of sunshine. Do you, by any chance, carry a bag of salt with you to pour onto anyone you see wounded?
There are times, Crusty, when the old adage, "If you have nothing good to say; then say nothing at all"-- is by far the best choice.
Of course, I realize that would leave you totally speechless.
My Friend, I can assure you from personal experience -- that praying for this girl can most certainly have positive results.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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I can smell Crusty burning already !!!!! Poor lost soul...
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:
If it makes you feel better, go right ahead. It won't help her, though.
Hi Crusty,
You, my Friend, are a real ray of sunshine. Do you, by any chance, carry a bag of salt with you to pour onto anyone you see wounded?
There are times, Crusty, when the old adage, "If you have nothing good to say; then say nothing at all"-- is by far the best choice.
Of course, I realize that would leave you totally speechless.
My Friend, I can assure you from personal experience -- that praying for this girl can most certainly have positive results.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Praying for someone is a useless, selfish task, especially in this case. There have been studies that show that prayer doesn't work on any level.
If you want to do something useful, do something tangible for the girl or her family. Sitting at home praying helps no one but yourself. Even a "thinking of you" card is more useful.
How is insulting me and falsely accusing me of pouring salt on someone's wounds put you on a higher moral plane? I suggest you take your own advice.
I really believe without praying and being greatful to God I would have not made it this far. Really when I thought there was nothing I could do, I recieved a blessing from somewhere or someone. Being thankful and thanking God for it each day, leaves room for more good things to come your way.
Hi Crusty,quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:
If it makes you feel better, go right ahead. It won't help her, though.
Hi Crusty,
You, my Friend, are a real ray of sunshine. Do you, by any chance, carry a bag of salt with you to pour onto anyone you see wounded?
There are times, Crusty, when the old adage, "If you have nothing good to say; then say nothing at all"-- is by far the best choice.
Of course, I realize that would leave you totally speechless.
My Friend, I can assure you from personal experience -- that praying for this girl can most certainly have positive results.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Praying for someone is a useless, selfish task, especially in this case. There have been studies that show that prayer doesn't work on any level. If you want to do something useful, do something tangible for the girl or her family. Sitting at home praying helps no one but yourself. Even a "thinking of you" card is more useful. How is insulting me and falsely accusing me of pouring salt on someone's wounds put you on a higher moral plane? I suggest you take your own advice.
Obviously praying for someone else is a waste of your time; for, I know that YOU have much more important things to do -- such as deciding which brand of beer to buy. And, your prayers probably would not be effective anyway. For a non-believer's prayers to be effective -- he must first start with, "Lord, I am a sinner and need your forgiveness. I confess that you died on the cross to save me and that you resurrected to assure my resurrection. Please come into my heart and into my life and be my personal Lord and Savior. Amen."
And, then he can proceed to petition God to help himself and others. Crusty, are you ready to begin?
By the way, you say that prayers do not work. I have proof that they do. I have personally seen a friend whose body was so full of cancer that she was not supposed to live more that a few weeks, a couple of months at most. She lived another very productive seven years, directing our choir the last six.
And, I had a black growth on my right temple which look exactly like the cancerous growth on the face a man in the Bible study I was leading. The growth appeared rather suddenly -- or, at least, I had never noticed it -- maybe because it grew slowly. I do not know. Yet, when I did notice it; that night I lay in bed and prayed that God would remove the growth. As I was praying, I felt a warm glow come over me and I knew that was God's way of telling me that His answer was, "Yes."
The next day, the growth was noticeably smaller; the following day, even smaller -- and on the fourth day -- it was gone completely, leaving only a faint scar. Why did God take four days instead of an instant removal? I have no idea; His ways and thoughts are much higher than mine. I just praise Him for the healing He gave me.
And, there is a book I will recommend to you. The title is "Prayer Can Change Your Life." It was written by a medical doctor and professor at California's University of Redlands, Dr. William R. Parker, and published by Prentice Hall. The book chronicles this man and his staff's scientific study which proved that prayer is effective in healing people. Of course, I realize that asking you to read a book is even more taxing that asking you to pray for a hurting child. But, we can try.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Bill, thank you and all those who are praying for this little girl. Yes, anything is possible, if it is HIS will. That's what we have to accept.
As for someone who post such awful comments pertaining to a sick child, there are no words..
As for someone who post such awful comments pertaining to a sick child, there are no words..
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:
If it makes you feel better, go right ahead. It won't help her, though.
Hi Crusty,
You, my Friend, are a real ray of sunshine. Do you, by any chance, carry a bag of salt with you to pour onto anyone you see wounded?
There are times, Crusty, when the old adage, "If you have nothing good to say; then say nothing at all"-- is by far the best choice.
Of course, I realize that would leave you totally speechless.
My Friend, I can assure you from personal experience -- that praying for this girl can most certainly have positive results.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Praying for someone is a useless, selfish task, especially in this case. There have been studies that show that prayer doesn't work on any level.
If you want to do something useful, do something tangible for the girl or her family. Sitting at home praying helps no one but yourself. Even a "thinking of you" card is more useful.
How is insulting me and falsely accusing me of pouring salt on someone's wounds put you on a higher moral plane? I suggest you take your own advice.
insensible heathen! I am not a very religious person, but I will allow others their own choice, especially at a time like this.
quote:Originally posted by Liongrl:
Bill, thank you and all those who are praying for this little girl. Yes, anything is possible, if it is HIS will. That's what we have to accept.
As for someone who post such awful comments pertaining to a sick child, there are no words..
Hi Liongrl,
We must keep in mind that he is not a spiritual or God-fearing person -- so, prayers mean nothing to him.
However, in such a situation, it would have been better if he just stayed out of the discussion. One might not believe in God nor prayer; but, in such situation he should not attempt to prevent believers from praying for a sick person.
Just keep him in your prayers.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Kinley is in our prayers.
Mommers, it is an honor to know you even if it is only through forum posting. You are the total package. I think you could find something nice to say in any situation. Please don't ever change! The rest of ya'll aren't so bad either.
Mommers, it is an honor to know you even if it is only through forum posting. You are the total package. I think you could find something nice to say in any situation. Please don't ever change! The rest of ya'll aren't so bad either.
quote:Originally posted by Liongrl:
As for someone who post such awful comments pertaining to a sick child, there are no words..
What awful comments have been posted? I guess suggesting doing something helpful for the girl or her family is "awful" and un-christian.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Crusty,
Obviously praying for someone else is a waste of your time;
Scientific studies have shown this to be true. So yes, praying for someone is a waste of time. It may make you feel better, but if you really want to help the girl, do something tangible for her or her family. Or is this un-Christian?
for, I know that YOU have much more important things to do
Praying for someone else doesn't make me feel better, because I know it doesn't work. So, yes, I have more important things to do.
-- such as deciding which brand of beer to buy.
Decision is made, I prefer Micholob. I've been wanting to try Sam Adam's though, but since I don't even get through a six-pack in any given year, your insult doesn't work. What a hateful creature you are, Bill.
And, your prayers probably would not be effective anyway.
I'm absolutely positive that they are not effective. Neither are yours.
For a non-believer's prayers to be effective -- he must first start with, "Lord, I am a sinner and need your forgiveness. I confess that you died on the cross to save me and that you resurrected to assure my resurrection. Please come into my heart and into my life and be my personal Lord and Savior. Amen."
Once again, you call me a "non-believer". Once again you are wrong. And why would a non-believer be praying anyway?
And, then he can proceed to petition God to help himself and others. Crusty, are you ready to begin?
No, pastor Bill, I don't prescribe to your brand of Christianity - the Church of Jesus Loves Me, But He Hates Your Guts. You obviously are very high ranking in that church.
By the way, you say that prayers do not work. I have proof that they do. I have personally seen a friend whose body was so full of cancer that she was not supposed to live more that a few weeks, a couple of months at most. She lived another very productive seven years, directing our choir the last six.
I guess chemotherapy or radiation had nothing to do with it. Why does your god love some cancer victims, but hates every amputee? When an amputee grows a new limb through prayer, I'll convert to your hateful god.
And, I had a black growth on my right temple which look exactly like the cancerous growth on the face a man in the Bible study I was leading. The growth appeared rather suddenly -- or, at least, I had never noticed it -- maybe because it grew slowly. I do not know. Yet, when I did notice it; that night I lay in bed and prayed that God would remove the growth. As I was praying, I felt a warm glow come over me and I knew that was God's way of telling me that His answer was, "Yes."
The next day, the growth was noticeably smaller; the following day, even smaller -- and on the fourth day -- it was gone completely, leaving only a faint scar. Why did God take four days instead of an instant removal? I have no idea; His ways and thoughts are much higher than mine. I just praise Him for the healing He gave me.
Yes, you've told this story before. Did you have the growth tested? How do you know it was cancer? I have little scabby things heal up all the time, and it doesn't require a miracle. So, I'm not buying it, Bill. Wishing it were true, doesn't make it true.
And, there is a book I will recommend to you. The title is "Prayer Can Change Your Life." It was written by a medical doctor and professor at California's University of Redlands, Dr. William R. Parker, and published by Prentice Hall. The book chronicles this man and his staff's scientific study which proved that prayer is effective in healing people. Of course, I realize that asking you to read a book is even more taxing that asking you to pray for a hurting child. But, we can try.
Thank you for another very Christian insult and hateful comment. If you will point me toward the scientifically reviewed journal article that he wrote, I'll be glad to read it.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Have a blissed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by mommer:
I really believe without praying and being greatful to God I would have not made it this far. Really when I thought there was nothing I could do, I recieved a blessing from somewhere or someone. Being thankful and thanking God for it each day, leaves room for more good things to come your way.
As I have already stated, praying can indeed make the prayer giver/asker feel better. Don't expect your prayers to help someone else. If you truly want to do something useful, do something tangible for the girl or her family.
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Liongrl:
As for someone who post such awful comments pertaining to a sick child, there are no words..
What awful comments have been posted? I guess suggesting doing something helpful for the girl or her family is "awful" and un-christian.
Hi Crusty,
There comes a time when the most important thing one can do for a family in this situation is to pray for them. Pray for healing of the child; pray for our Lord's comfort, peace, and assurance for the family.
And, we pray for the doctors treating the child; that our Lord will give them divine guidance, wisdom, and skills in treating her.
After that, we leave her in the hands of God; seeking His will be done in her life.
That, Crusty, is what we should be doing for this child and her family. The same we would do if it were you or your child who is sick.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by jeffcrane:quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:
If it makes you feel better, go right ahead. It won't help her, though.
Hi Crusty,
You, my Friend, are a real ray of sunshine. Do you, by any chance, carry a bag of salt with you to pour onto anyone you see wounded?
There are times, Crusty, when the old adage, "If you have nothing good to say; then say nothing at all"-- is by far the best choice.
Of course, I realize that would leave you totally speechless.
My Friend, I can assure you from personal experience -- that praying for this girl can most certainly have positive results.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Praying for someone is a useless, selfish task, especially in this case. There have been studies that show that prayer doesn't work on any level.
If you want to do something useful, do something tangible for the girl or her family. Sitting at home praying helps no one but yourself. Even a "thinking of you" card is more useful.
How is insulting me and falsely accusing me of pouring salt on someone's wounds put you on a higher moral plane? I suggest you take your own advice.
insensible heathen! I am not a very religious person, but I will allow others their own choice, especially at a time like this.
Ignorant moron, reread my post: "If it makes you feel better, go right ahead."
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
However, in such a situation, it would have been better if he just stayed out of the discussion.
Bill, when will you learn to take your own advice. Had you not misconstrued what I said, insulted me, and out-and-out lied about me, my post would have stirred no comments whatsoever.
One might not believe in God nor prayer; but, in such situation he should not attempt to prevent believers from praying for a sick person.
Your audacity is astounding. Show me exactly where, in my original post, that I tried to stop anyone from praying. I'll say it again, go right ahead if it makes you feel better.
Just keep him in your prayers.
Don't waste your time. Do something nice for the girl or her family instead. Send her a short note telling her that she is in your prayers. That might actually have some benefit. There are hundreds of small things that one can do for a family in this situation that would be a huge help to them.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Liongrl:
As for someone who post such awful comments pertaining to a sick child, there are no words..
What awful comments have been posted? I guess suggesting doing something helpful for the girl or her family is "awful" and un-christian.
Hi Crusty,
There comes a time when the most important thing one can do for a family in this situation is to pray for them. Pray for healing of the child; pray for our Lord's comfort, peace, and assurance for the family.
And, we pray for the doctors treating the child; that our Lord will give them divine guidance, wisdom, and skills in treating her.
After that, we leave her in the hands of God; seeking His will be done in her life.
That, Crusty, is what we should be doing for this child and her family. The same we would do if it were you or your child who is sick.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
What a load of crap and a total cop out. I'm sure you feel so much better about yourself now that you've prayed for the girl. Couldn't find it in your heart to do anything else?
Hi Crusty,
I am just curious. You do not believe in prayer. Those of us in this discussion do believe in prayer. And, there is a young child and her family in need of prayer.
Why do you come into this discussion and pour salt into their already hurting wounds? It is one thing to come into a discussion where we are discussing God, theology, and other religious beliefs. We welcome your comments there. But, to come into this discussion and fight with those who need prayer and those of us who want to support their prayer needs, is not only senseless; it is cruel.
Your actions here remind me of the rapper, Kanye West, or whatever his name -- who was so insensitive at the award ceremony. There is a time and a place for everything. This is not the time to argue theology when a family is hurting.
Please do them, yourself, and us a favor -- go back to other discussions and leave this family alone.
This is not the time nor the place for arguments and challenges.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
I am just curious. You do not believe in prayer. Those of us in this discussion do believe in prayer. And, there is a young child and her family in need of prayer.
Why do you come into this discussion and pour salt into their already hurting wounds? It is one thing to come into a discussion where we are discussing God, theology, and other religious beliefs. We welcome your comments there. But, to come into this discussion and fight with those who need prayer and those of us who want to support their prayer needs, is not only senseless; it is cruel.
Your actions here remind me of the rapper, Kanye West, or whatever his name -- who was so insensitive at the award ceremony. There is a time and a place for everything. This is not the time to argue theology when a family is hurting.
Please do them, yourself, and us a favor -- go back to other discussions and leave this family alone.
This is not the time nor the place for arguments and challenges.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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It is always painful when anyone get a potentially fatal disease, especially a child. I think prayer is a superstitious ritual that has not and will not yield any results. I would suggest donating some money to help her and her family and fund raising for science to speed up the time line for a cure.
Another important area is prevention. In the long run, educating our society on the root cause is perhaps the most important action we can take.
A person is free to stand or kneel to pray for anyone or anything in hopes of changing a God's mind. I personally would get together with like minded people and do my best to enable researchers to find a cure or treatment.
Does anyone have info on how one could help financially?
Regards
Another important area is prevention. In the long run, educating our society on the root cause is perhaps the most important action we can take.
A person is free to stand or kneel to pray for anyone or anything in hopes of changing a God's mind. I personally would get together with like minded people and do my best to enable researchers to find a cure or treatment.
Does anyone have info on how one could help financially?
Regards
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Crusty,
I am just curious. You do not believe in prayer. Those of us in this discussion do believe in prayer. And, there is a young child and her family in need of prayer.
Why do you come into this discussion and pour salt into their already hurting wounds? It is one thing to come into a discussion where we are discussing God, theology, and other religious beliefs. We welcome your comments there. But, to come into this discussion and fight with those who need prayer and those of us who want to support their prayer needs, is not only senseless; it is cruel.
Your actions here remind me of the rapper, Kanye West, or whatever his name -- who was so insensitive at the award ceremony. There is a time and a place for everything. This is not the time to argue theology when a family is hurting.
Please do them, yourself, and us a favor -- go back to other discussions and leave this family alone.
This is not the time nor the place for arguments and challenges.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Bill, I've poured salt in no-one's wounds. As far as I can see, no one in the family has posted here. You are the one that started the attack on me. I guess I'm being un-Christian because I suggest doing something tangible for the family.
Your ego is so fouled with hubris and self-importance, that you can't see that you are the only person on this thread that has been un-Christian.
Take your own advice, Bill and if you have nothing good to say, shut up. I won't answer you if you don't post, can you do it? Can you take your own advice?
I can put you in touch with the family. Send me a pm if you would like info.
quote:Originally posted by 8I:
It is always painful when anyone get a potentially fatal disease, especially a child. I think prayer is a superstitious ritual that has not and will not yield any results. I would suggest donating some money to help her and her family and fund raising for science to speed up the time line for a cure.
Another important area is prevention. In the long run, educating our society on the root cause is perhaps the most important action we can take.
A person is free to stand or kneel to pray for anyone or anything in hopes of changing a God's mind. I personally would get together with like minded people and do my best to enable researchers to find a cure or treatment.
Does anyone have info on how one could help financially?
Regards
8I, what a hateful, un-Christian, insensitive heathen you are. I can already smell you burning in Hell. Now that all that has been said, maybe someone will listen to you.
Crusy this is about a sick child.
Crusty,
I am glad you have never known tragedy - particularly regarding one of your children or grandchildren. God be with you if you ever do.
I am glad you have never known tragedy - particularly regarding one of your children or grandchildren. God be with you if you ever do.
quote:Originally posted by southernsally:
Crusy this is about a sick child.
So it is, why don't you address that comment to Bill?
quote:Originally posted by Florine:
Crusty,
I am glad you have never known tragedy - particularly regarding one of your children or grandchildren. God be with you if you ever do.
Who says I haven't? And thank you for the thought, I appreciate it.
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by southernsally:
Crusy this is about a sick child.
So it is, why don't you address that comment to Bill?
You're right. Bill and Crusty this thread is about Kinley. Do you mind starting another thread to debate the power of prayer so the rest of us can focus on an Kinley and helping in whatever way we can. Thank you.
81, I have the info you need at work and will get it to you before the end of the day. Thanks
Donations can be made at any Bank Independent or by mailing it to:
Bank Independent
PO Box 5000
Sheffield, Al 35660
Please specify donation for the Kinley McGee account.
Bank Independent
PO Box 5000
Sheffield, Al 35660
Please specify donation for the Kinley McGee account.
Thanks for the Bank Independent info. I'll send something along.
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:
Thanks for the Bank Independent info. I'll send something along.
Yeah, I'm wacky like that too....
Thanks for posting the reminder about the account! It is set to expire tomorrow, Sat the 19th !
I will be praying!!!!
I read this on myspace yesterday and am just passing it along.
David is fighting Goliath in Chapter 17.
Goliath had the definite advantage against David from a human standpoint. But Goliath didn’t realize that in fighting David, he also had to fight God. What a difference perspective can make. Saul saw only a giant and a young boy. David however, saw a mortal man defying almighty God. He knew he would not be alone when he faced Goliath, God would fight with him. He looked at his situation from God’s point of view. Viewing impossible situations from God’s point of view helps us to put giant problems in perspective.
Criticism couldn’t stop David. While the rest of the army stood around, he know the importance of taking action--with God to fight for him there was no reason to wait. People may try to discourage you with negative comments or mockery, but you must continue to do what you know is right. By doing what is right, you will be pleasing God, whose opinion matters most
I read this on myspace yesterday and am just passing it along.
David is fighting Goliath in Chapter 17.
Goliath had the definite advantage against David from a human standpoint. But Goliath didn’t realize that in fighting David, he also had to fight God. What a difference perspective can make. Saul saw only a giant and a young boy. David however, saw a mortal man defying almighty God. He knew he would not be alone when he faced Goliath, God would fight with him. He looked at his situation from God’s point of view. Viewing impossible situations from God’s point of view helps us to put giant problems in perspective.
Criticism couldn’t stop David. While the rest of the army stood around, he know the importance of taking action--with God to fight for him there was no reason to wait. People may try to discourage you with negative comments or mockery, but you must continue to do what you know is right. By doing what is right, you will be pleasing God, whose opinion matters most
quote:Originally posted by southernsally:
Kinley is in our prayers.
Mommers, it is an honor to know you even if it is only through forum posting. You are the total package. I think you could find something nice to say in any situation. Please don't ever change! The rest of ya'll aren't so bad either.
I can not think of a better compliment. Really, if everyone would look at it like this. Humans all believe in something. Those who do not pray have wished for something. When we loose hope, what do we have? Hope, wishes and prayers are what makes tomorrow worth the battle. Prayers for me because I truely believe in God. Wishes and hope (which I think is closer to prayer than those who say they don't believe care to admit), for non-believers.
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:
If it makes you feel better, go right ahead. It won't help her, though.
Poor form, old boy. Poor.
Liongrl, Kinley is in my thoughts, as are her parents.
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:
Thanks for the Bank Independent info. I'll send something along.
There are many people that go to preach and judge that would not send something along. One of the hardest things for me to get about religion is how sometimes the most religious would not help, for various reasons. Maybe because they did not attend church or the one they were. We are all in this together. If we are giving that makes us closer to God than we realize. It is easy to me, be good to your fellow man. If you are doing that you are not breaking the rules God gave us. Even if you don't believe your blessings are coming from God.
quote:Originally posted by mommer:
I can not think of a better compliment. Really, if everyone would look at it like this. Humans all believe in something. Those who do not pray have wished for something. When we loose hope, what do we have? Hope, wishes and prayers are what makes tomorrow worth the battle. Prayers for me because I truely believe in God. Wishes and hope (which I think is closer to prayer than those who say they don't believe care to admit), for non-believers.
Hi Mommer,
Thank you. You gave me a new perspective for viewing prayer. When a believer "prays" -- those prayers go straight to the throne of God. However, when a non-believer "wishes" -- where do those wishes go?
God answers prayers; who answers wishes?
Thank you.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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