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Hi to my Forum Friends,

Recently, on Facebook, I posted the following URL link and my comment below:


ADF - Alliance Defense Fund    www.alliancedefensefund.org

 

IF WE DO NOT PROTECT our Biblical Gospel -- the "gospel of secularism/atheism" will destroy it.  "Separation of Church and State" is a Liberal Left Lie perpetrated by those who would drive God out of America.  If we will not stand for our God -- who or what are we willing to stand for -- what are we perpetrating, if not God?  Think about it.

Then, click this link to add your name to those who will take a stand to protect our First Amendment rights, who will take a stand to protect our religious freedom, who will take a stand to protect our Christian heritage and faith.   God bless, Bill

Below are responses I received and my replies to them.


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John:  Only if you fully accept that Jesus is God can you begin to claim that this country is founded on Christian principles.  I don't believe Jesus is God.  I am a Christian.  I don't believe this nation is, or was, a Christian nation -- and I believe that anyone that makes the false claim that it is, or was, is nothing short of an arrogant religious bigot.

JOHN, How can you tell us that you do not believe Jesus Christ is God -- and then, tell us you are a Christian?  Why do you call yourself a Christian, a Christ Follower, if you do not believe Him to be God?

Quite honestly, John, that is impossible -- to be a Christian who does not believe in Christ.  Just curious.  Who is Jesus if He is not God the Son, the second Person in the Trinity?  What does John 1:1 mean when it tells us, "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus),  and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God."

John, the phrase in John 1:1, “. . . and the Word was God.”  in the Greek language is "kai theos en ho logos" which is saying -- "and (kai) God (theos) was (en) the (ho) Word (logos)" -- "and God was the Word (Jesus)"   This phrase leaves no doubt that Jesus Christ is deity, that He is God.


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John:  I don't believe the Bible is the word of God.  I believe Jesus is the Son of God.  I don't agree with any of the "organized and  labeled" Christian groups so I refer to myself as a "non-Biblical Christian."   No person or group has a copyright or trade name lock on the word "Christian."   This is America.  I can call my theology anything I want.

My Friend, Johnny Morales, responded to this comment from John, "You are right, John.  You are free to condemn yourself.  We pray for you!"

JOHN, God gave us His Word -- both His Written Word and His Living Word.  We cannot separate the two; each is an integral part of the other.  "All Scripture is inspired by God. . ." (2 Timothy 3:16).  One of the reasons we have so many different denominations of Christian churches today is because many different people want to create their own theology.  They do this by cherry-picking from Scripture those verses or passages which agree with their predetermined belief system.  True theology is built upon the entire Bible.


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Jackie:  The truths contained in the scriptural teaching of the different religious traditions are meant to unite us, not separate us.   Literal interpretation creates separation, whereas symbolic interpretation - seeing that all of them address the identical design of our spiritual natures - brings us together.

"This is my simple religion.  There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy.  Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness."  - The Dalai Lama

Johnny (Morales) - Such words are not congruent with walking in the faith of Christianity.  You must love your brother as you would love yourself.  Such words are damaging and reaffirms the other party's viewpoint that Christians are pious bigots.  Hope you can all love each other despite your differences.

JACKIE, I am sorry, I have known you most of your life and find it difficult to relate to you with a New Age name now.  So, if you do not mind, I will continue to call you Jackie.

Before I became a Christian believer 24 years ago -- I was very much into New Age religions myself.  All the things I see you writing about, I did long before I became a Christian.  In 1987, when I became a Christian believer, I was still carrying much of the weight, the baggage, of those years spent studying and following New Age religions.  Our dear Friend, Pastor Sam Lacanienta, gently took me by the hand and walked me out of that darkness and into the Light of Jesus Christ.  With Pastor Sam's help, I had shed that darkness by the time I became Christian Friends with you and your family in our San Clemente church .

When I gave my life to God, I was able to throw off the cloak of darkness found in the metaphysical and dark spiritual worlds of the New Age religions.  Believe me, Jackie, I have experienced attacks from the demonic spirits found in New Age religions -- and they are ugly.  Like you are experiencing now, I went through years of believing I was on an intellectual journey of massive scope.  But, I found that I was really wading in New Age sludge.

You quote the Dalai Lama who was teaching a religion of self worship; not God worship.  That is no different than what the secular and atheist world teaches -- "be your own god."  That, my Friend, is a slippery slope.

You tell Johnny Morales that we must love our brother if we are to walk in Christian faith.  That is true.  However, first, we must love Jesus Christ, God.  You will notice, in Matthew 22:37, Jesus tells us first, "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind."   And, THEN, He tells us to, "love your neighbor as yourself" (verse 39).

Johnny Morales may have been very direct when he told John, "You are right John.  You are free to condemn yourself.  We pray for you!"  However, I can feel Johnny's desire, and often frustration -- for, dealing in apologetics, as I do on a daily basis, with those of other religions, including atheism, secularism, and world religions -- it does get very tempting sometimes to just tell them all,  "Okay, go to hell (literally)."

Jackie, I have known you from the time you were a small girl in our Christian church in San Clemente.  And, it does cause me pain to see you so eagerly stretching yourself toward New Age and Liberal religions.


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Ethan:  I believe (in lieu of arguing about the validity of this or that religion) ALL religions (and lack of religions thereof) should band together simply to exert, on the government, that there is no ability for any Federal, State, or Local governing body to limit the worship (or non worship) of any citizen.  Regardless if we are a Christian nation or not, the simple fact is freedom, or no freedom.

Perhaps a more streamlined approach, rather than argue about whether the Ten Commandments should be displayed in public (or at least in government buildings) -- we should embrace all religions and let them post up whatever they want.  Lessons from the Dalai  Lama, from a Rabbi, from a Christian, or a Muslim are just as valid, as all are attempts by Man to reconcile their own spirituality.  At  least from a law standpoint.

I just want to make sure that the Muslim down the street has just as much freedom to practice their religion as I do, and as, say, the Scientologist, or Jehovah's Witness does.  And that NO governing body ever has a say in what any citizen does with their faith.

ETHAN, the reason America, in less than 250 years, has become the "beacon of light, the beacon of hope" for so much of the world is that we DO have the God given, God ordained "freedom" to worship or not to worship as we please.  But, all of this "freedom" was built upon our founding fathers and the founding documents they so wisely gave us.  And, those founding documents were based upon Biblical influence and teachings.  So, if you say we can have "freedom" without God -- I invite you to test the waters in Iran,  Saudi Arabia, and other non-Christian nations.

Yes, the Scientologist, Jehovah's Witness, Muslim, Mormon, Unitarian Universalist, and all those in the world religions -- including atheism, secularism, and the occultic New Age -- are free to worship whomever or whatever they desire.  That is the beauty of our Christian nation -- that we allow ALL people to have this freedom.

However, what Johnny Morales and I are sharing is not only the freedom to live this life in this wonderful nation of America -- but, to live eternally in the presence of God.  For without God, living is not living -- especially when we remember that we all are created to be eternal, immortal beings.  We will ALL live eternally.  The difference is -- WHERE will we choose to live that eternity, that eternal  life?

Keep in mind that eternity is a long, long time -- it never ends.  So, do you choose to live that eternity in peace and happiness in the presence of God?  Or do you choose to live that eternity in the suffering which exists when one is in an eternity totally void of God?

That is what Johnny meant when he wrote to John, "You are right John.  You are free to condemn yourself.  We pray for you!"

You Ethan, Jackie, John, Johnny, all people, including myself -- HAVE to make a choice -- God or no God.  And, that is why we Christian believers share the Gospel of Jesus Christ and why we pray that all people will make the RIGHT choice.

Thank you all for your comments.  While I would choose to have you agree with me, I prefer that even when we disagree, we can agree to disagree -- and remain Friends.    God bless,  Bill


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My long time dear Friend, Pastor Freddy Cortez, has written on their Church of Hope Facebook page:   Our objective is to reach and teach as mandated in the Bible.  For the lost, we evangelizeFor the believer, we instruct using the Word of God.  We believe that salvation is a “gift” which can never be merited by works.  Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

I find it difficult to improve upon what Pastor Freddy has written.  So, if you feel this dialogue will be useful to you in evangelizing or instructing -- please feel free to share it with your Friends, Relatives, Associates, and Neighbors -- all your FRANs.  Let's keep sharing the Word of God, the Gospel of Jesus Christ with all the world -- until He returns.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I take d, all of the above.

 

Bahá'í Views of Other Religions

One of the fundamental doctrines of the Bahá'í Faith is the unity of the world's great religions. This does not mean that all religions are the same, but that there is only one true religion and all of the Messengers of God have progressively revealed its nature.

The world's great religions are progressive expressions of a single unfolding Divine plan, "the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future."

Bahá'ís teach that the founders of the world's major religions, including Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, and Muhammad, are divine Messengers sent by the one God to educate humanity through teachings and laws suited to its stage of development.

The Bahá'í Faith recognizes two additional Teachers for this age: the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh. Bahá'ís believe that religious revelation will continue in the future to provide guidance to "an ever-advancing civilization."

Bahá'ís do seek to spread their faith, believing it to be the most recent and beneficial revelation from God to humanity, but they strongly emphasize unity, harmony and respect between the world's existing religions.

Hi B,

 

Now, why am I not surprised that you would lean toward the New Age and World Ecumenical religions?  Could it have anything to do with being a Wiccan and wanting to tie that occult religion with being a Christian?  No, B, there is still no such thing as a Wiccan Christian.  You are one or the other -- but, you cannot be both -- for they are on opposite ends of the spectrum.   God is on one end; New Age is on the other.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi B,

 

Yes, there may be Wiccans who will claim to be Christian -- like there is an actively homosexual bishop who claims to be Christian -- and, just as there are Mormons who claim to be Christian.  It is not the hat that makes one a Christian -- it is having a relationship with Jesus Christ (the real Jesus Christ) that makes one a Christian.

 

A person cannot be a Christian Wiccan -- for the two are opposite extremes.  Either you is or you ain't as Louie Armstrong sang.   And, baby, if you is a Wiccan -- you ain't a Christian!

 

And, yes, I am familiar with the claims of world religion called Bahá'í Faith.  It is just another attempt to be all things to all people -- while being nothing to anyone.   But, hey, if that is your new game, if that is your replacement for Wicca, God bless you.  Let us know when you come to your senses.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi B,

 

Yes, there may be Wiccans who will claim to be Christian -- like there is an actively homosexual bishop who claims to be Christian -- and, just as there are Mormons who claim to be Christian.  It is not the hat that makes one a Christian -- it is having a relationship with Jesus Christ (the real Jesus Christ) that makes one a Christian.

 

A person cannot be a Christian Wiccan -- for the two are opposite extremes.  Either you is or you ain't as Louie Armstrong sang.   And, baby, if you is a Wiccan -- you ain't a Christian!

 

And, yes, I am familiar with the claims of world religion called Bahá'í Faith.  It is just another attempt to be all things to all people -- while being nothing to anyone.   But, hey, if that is your new game, if that is your replacement for Wicca, God bless you.  Let us know when you come to your senses.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Just incase you missed this Bill I reprinted it for your enjoyment from My post "Just the Facts".

This is copied directly from the "Mormon Curtain" web site that Upsisedehead has referred me to debunk the LDS Church. Non of the following is my words but copied as-is from this web site.  this is copied directly from the "Mormon Curtain" web site that Upsisedehead has refered me to to debunk the LDS Church. Non of the following is my words but copied as-is from this web site.

The "Three Witnesses" To The Book Of Mormon

Posted By

Richard Packham

The "Three Witnesses" To The Book Of Mormon

Posted By

Richard Packham

At the front of every copy of the Book of Mormon you will find "The Testimony of Three Witnesses," as signed by Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, and Martin Harris:

"Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen."

Many people who find reason to doubt Mormonism for various other reasons sometimes have difficulty with this testimony. It seems so sincere and so straightforward. And, remarkably, even though each one of these men later became disillusioned with Joseph Smith and his church, there is no hard evidence that any of them denied this testimony in later life. So this document demands some explanation, if it is not to be accepted as proof for the authenticity of the Book of Mormon.

Randy Jordan points out that there were also other "witnesses" to events of that day surrounding the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and its "translator": those neighbors and acquaintances of Joseph Smith's during the 1820s whose sworn affidavits were collected by Philastus Hurlbut and published in E. D. Howe's book Mormonism Unvailed [sic] in 1834.

As Jordan says:

"Mormons assert that the "Book of Mormon witnesses" allegedly never recanted their "testimonies." However, not a single one of Hurlbut's more than five dozen testators denied theirs, either, even though some of them lived late into the century and had ample opportunity to do so. Also, Hurlbut's witnesses swore their testimonies as legal affidavits, whereas the "Book of Mormon witnesses" did not. So, whose "testimonies" are more credible? Those which are legally binding, or those which were given to sell books?"

I see no problem with the fact that none of them denied their testimony, even though they all left the church. There are two very plausible explanations (take your pick), neither of which require us to conclude that they must have seen an angel. Remember, too, that the most that their signed testimony can prove is that they believed they had seen an angel. No one is required to believe such testimony, that is, to accept as conclusive proof that, in fact, they had seen an angel, either in court or in real life. Whether they actually did see an angel is a different issue.

Explanation 1: As many critics have suggested, any man (even an honest man) hates to admit that he was flummoxed, or that he lied under oath, or that he has contributed to the deception of thousands of trusting people. It is easier, it causes less trouble, just to stick by the original story. (There are probably General Authorities and members of the BYU faculty who are further examples of this attitude.)

Explanation 2: A hypnotically-induced hallucination is very real. Like any hallucination, it is identifiable as a hallucination only by someone other than the person hallucinating. If the person having the hallucination recognized that it was a hallucination, either at the time or later, it would not be a hallucination. It is very difficult to convince a hallucinator that his experience was not real. I think that the Witnesses had a joint hallucination that was so real that they believed it for as long as they lived (this conclusion may not apply to Cowdery).         

My words below:

So now Joseph Smith Hypnotically-induced Hallucinations with every one of the witnesses having the exact same Hallucination, Come On Upsidea, you can't do better than that?

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/t...nesses_section1.html

quote:   Originally Posted by Jennifer:

Like Bill claims to be a Christian?  Amazing isn't it, how Bill just knows whats in everyone's heart and can say who is and isn't a Christian.


Hi Jennifer,


No, honestly I do not know what is in another person's heart.  Neither do you, nor anyone else.   I cannot say who is a Christian and who is not.  However, the User's Manual God gave us, the Bible, clearly tells us how to recognize a Christian believer.   A person who denies God is obviously not a Christian.  A person who is involved in New Age, cult, or world religions is not a Christian.   These, of course, are the most obvious signs.

The Bible tells us we should be able to see the "fruit" of a person's salvation, the "fruit" of his/her Christian belief.   That is typically a good guideline, a good starting point.  Is a person is willing to declare himself/herself to the world, to be a believer -- "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes. . ."  (Romans 1`:16) -- odds are pretty good he/she is a Christian believer.

Yet, we do find pretenders, some who are very good pretenders and wear the Christian hat with authority -- yet, are not really believers.  Then, how can we know if the person is only pretending -- or is a true Christian believer, a "forgiven sinner"?

The next criteria is:  Does this person believe, share, and follows the Essential Christian Beliefs:

1. The Deity of Jesus Christ -- God incarnate -- fully a man; yet, fully God.
2. The Trinity -- God eternally existing; manifested (revealed) in three persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
3. The Bible -- Is the inspired Written Word of God and is the sole authority for Christian faith, salvation, and our Christian life.
4. Salvation by Grace -- By grace you are saved, through faith in Jesus Christ -- plus nothing else.
5. The Resurrection of Christ -- He rose from the dead, that we may also be resurrected into eternal life.
6. The Gospel -- The birth, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ according to Scripture.
7. Heaven and Hell -- Both are real places and are the only two eternal destinations available to all mankind.

If these Christian beliefs guide a person's life, if this is what he/she believes and shares; we can assume he/she is a Christian believer.  Yet, the bottom line is that only that person and God knows for sure.

However, the person or church which denies any of these Essential Christian Beliefs, especially the first three -- that person or that church is not Christian.

So, Jennifer, it is not Bill Gray who declares a person to be a Christian or to not be a Christian.  It is the Bible, God's Rule Book for Christian faith, salvation, and living.  If you go to an Alabama/Auburn football game -- they play by the rules written in the NCAA Rule  Book.  Neither team is allowed to rewrite the rules or to insert its own rules.  They play by the NCAA Rule Book or they do not play.

By the same token, a Christian believer plays by God's Rule Book, the Bible -- or he/she is not a Christian.  His Rule Book is the Bible, all sixty-six books of it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Hi Skippy,

 

It does not matter what is posted on the web site that Beter/Head posted.  That is all interesting and informative information for folks who want to know more about the Mormon religion.   However, there is a much easier way to judge if the Mormon church is Christian or is it cult. 

 

All we have to do is to look at the Essential Christian Beliefs, in my post above to Jennifer, which define a Christian church.  Looking at these seven Essential Christian Beliefs -- the Mormon church fails on ALL SEVEN of them.   Therefore, the Mormon church is very much a cult church.  The Mormon church is NOT Christian.  It is a cult -- based upon this simple test.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Loki:

I hope he doesn't read Luke 19:27. I would guess he would have to kill us all then..we'll us non christians. But according to him most times, he's apparently the only true christian left in the world. Hmm. Yeah..Bill...nevermind about that. Just skip over that verse and we'll all be ok. 

 

 

If you actually read the verse "in context" with related verses you would see, if you wanted to see, that it has nothing to do with killing non-Christians. Once again you see only what you think supports your cause.

 

This is a parable. It's about the servant who hides the money the master gives him and does not invest it wisely. The parable is not literal, it means that, whatever God gives us in the way of talent or resources, we should use it wisely in His service, unlike many of the so called Christians such as televangelists who hoard money.

quote:     Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
God was such a poor writer that the Bible always has to be "explained". 

Hi Jimi,  

You have made this very misinformed comment before.  So, let me ask you -- have you ever taken any classes in school -- grade school, high school, college?  In those classes, did you use text books?   When you began the classes, did you understand everything written in those text books?  No?   You needed a teacher to help you understand the content of the text books?  

Then, does this mean that the writers of those text books were poor writers?  Or, did it mean that YOU needed to have someone explain the meanings to you?  

True, there are many who know more about the Bible than me -- and need no explanation I can give.  Yet, there are some who are not as mature in their knowledge of God's Word -- and can use my help, or the help of any mature Christian, in understanding.  

Just as you were a "babe without knowledge" when you began to take classes -- and needed someone, i.e., the teacher, to explain the ideas to you -- there are "babes in Christ" who need help from we more mature Christians.  

This is no reflection upon God, nor the knowledge He imparts in His Written Word, the Bible.  It is only a true reflection that we humans do not have all the knowledge of God -- and we need to help one another better understand.  

Jimi, instead of trying to be a wise guy, or play the play ground clown -- why don't you do some serious study of God's Word -- and see what it can do in your life.  If you need help, I will be happy to help you.  

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  

Bill 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Jimi,  

You have made this very misinformed comment before.  So, let me ask you -- have you ever taken any classes in school -- grade school, high school, college?  In those classes, did you use text books?   When you began the classes, did you understand everything written in those text books?  No?   You needed a teacher to help you understand the content of the text books?  

Then, does this mean that the writers of those text books were poor writers?  Or, did it mean that YOU needed to have someone explain the meanings to you? 

BS logic. The analogy only works if Christians have the brain limitations of children. I don't believe that is necessarily true, so Jimi is right. Adult Christians have been killing one another and others for over 2000 years because your perfect god supposedly inspired a book that's gobbledy**** in need of explanation.

Hi Robust,

 

Couldn't think of anything intelligent to write -- so, you decided to piggy-back on Jimi -- right?  Not a problem, we understand that since atheists only have the writings of Darwin, Dawkins, Hitchens, et al -- it is often difficult to find intelligent answers. 

 

You don't have the benefit of God's Word, since you deny both Him and His Written Word -- so, you stumble along -- seeking help from the likes of Jimi.   Boy, are you in trouble.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?31:16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.(31:17) "Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him."

(31:18) "But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Numbers
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Robust,

 

Couldn't think of anything intelligent to write -- so, you decided to piggy-back on Jimi -- right?  Not a problem, we understand that since atheists only have the writings of Darwin, Dawkins, Hitchens, et al -- it is often difficult to find intelligent answers. 

 

You don't have the benefit of God's Word, since you deny both Him and His Written Word -- so, you stumble along -- seeking help from the likes of Jimi.   Boy, are you in trouble.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

#3 in Bill's limited menu of tricks: a) Avoid the comment/question/topic at all costs b) Deflect attention by trying to insult the individual c) Be a real proper Christian and offer blessings afterward d) Pray that no one notices the bankrupt douchiness. Repeat.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill, you are kidding yourself if you believe you are a "mature Christian". 


Hi Crusty,

 

Test time!  In your mind (benefit of the doubt), what is a "mature Christian"?   Please give Scriptural references.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

Answer my question first. 

 

Oh, and using the same lame smack talk in two different messages is a sign of senility.

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
quote:   Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill, you are kidding yourself if you believe you are a "mature Christian".   


Hi Crusty,

 

Test time!  In your mind (benefit of the doubt), what is a "mature Christian"?   Please give Scriptural references.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,   Bill 

Answer my question first.    Oh, and using the same lame smack talk in two different messages is a sign of senility.

Hi Crusty,

 

Yes, I do consider myself a mature Christian believer -- one that is learning more and growing more knowledgeable about God's Written Word every day.  As the old saying goes, "Our minds either grow through use -- or they atrophy through misuse and laziness."    How is your knowledge of God's Word -- growing or atrophying?

 

So, I have answered your question.   Now, it is your time for YOU to put up or shut up!  Will you answer my question -- or will you continue to play your silly, childish games to avoid answering?

 

In your mind (benefit of the doubt), what is a "mature Christian"?   Please give Scriptural references.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
quote:   Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill, you are kidding yourself if you believe you are a "mature Christian".   


Hi Crusty,

 

Test time!  In your mind (benefit of the doubt), what is a "mature Christian"?   Please give Scriptural references.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,   Bill 

Answer my question first.    Oh, and using the same lame smack talk in two different messages is a sign of senility.

Hi Crusty,

 

Yes, I do consider myself a mature Christian believer -- one that is learning more and growing more knowledgeable about God's Written Word every day.  As the old saying goes, "Our minds either grow through use -- or they atrophy through misuse and laziness."    How is your knowledge of God's Word -- growing or atrophying?

 

So, I have answered your question.   Now, it is your time for YOU to put up or shut up!  Will you answer my question -- or will you continue to play your silly, childish games to avoid answering?

 

In your mind (benefit of the doubt), what is a "mature Christian"?   Please give Scriptural references.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

I don't know what question you think you are answering, but it wasn't mine.  Go back up and find where I say something with a question mark in it.  Otherwise you are just trying to divert the topic - the one you started by the way.  I believe that comes from about page 2 of the Fundy Playbook. 

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