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Well lets go back to when this administration failed to negotiate the status of forces agreement in Iraq and simply walked away and hasn't looked back.  There is no leadership or strategy.  This administration wanted out no matter what the costs and now you are witnessing them.  All the blood and treasure this country shed was wasted because the citizens of this country were duped into electing a feckless, naive idiot who is incapable of leadership.

 

If I were Obama I wouldn't be in this mess.  What would I do if I were Obama?  Apologize to the American people and resign.

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Ship in arms and munitions to the Kurds, under the auspices of the CIA. Treat ISIS like a human version of Ebola -- isolate, eradicate and terminate.  Use air power and CIA forward observer assets to identify them.. Let Kurds and Iraqis hunt down the rest.  Unfortunately, the Iranians will join in the hunt. Let the Iranians and ISIS kill each other with abandon. 

be quiet Farley. I told you to wait.

 

you can't even read the question. I asked what dire, t and Kenny are going to do.

 

dire is going to: "isolate, eradicate and terminateUse air power and CIA forward observer assets to identify them..[he's gonna] Let Kurds and Iraqis hunt down the rest.  Unfortunately, the Iranians will join in the hunt. [he's gonna]Let the Iranians and ISIS kill each other with abandon."

 

He says he is gonna. We'll see. 

 

now what is t and Kenny gonna do?

 

It's a complete and total cluster#$%. 

 

We should have NEVER been over there to begin with. It is why I was against our involvement in Iraq.

 

I really do not know what the answer is. If we go in and eliminate ISIS there will be another group that will take their place. 

 

These people have been fighting over religion for 2,000 years yet we are arrogant enough to think they will embrace our version of democracy.

 

 

Remember the reason for invading Iraq!:

 

ISIS and WMD

 

Recently there have been contradictory reports about whether ISIS forces have uncovered a complex with stockpiles of WMD in Iraq. "We do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value," the U.S. State Department said on the ISIS matter of WMD discovery. They express concern, but both the CIA and the United Kingdom have admitted downplaying the issue to waylay fears on the ground in Iraq. "It is doubtful that ISIS has the expertise to use a fully functioning chemical munition, but there are materials on site that could be used in an improvised explosive device," Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commander of Britain's chemical weapons regiment, said on the issue. However, ISIS could well have the expertise to develop useable WMDs, if not now, in the foreseeable future. The West underestimates the capabilities of local militias at their peril. The underestimation of local forces and over-estimation of Western invincibility, by the United States specifically, is surely a central reason why ISIS has designated conquered territory in Syria and Iraq a caliphate.

 

A former commander of Britain's chemical weapons regiment has warned, "We have seen that ISIS has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria." ISIS bears the hallmarks to wreak greater havoc. One, there is a despotic nature to the ISIS leadership. Two, ISIS is comprised of radicalized forces—radical enough that al Qaeda has distanced themselves from ISIS. And three, there are many engineers amongst ISIS. Is it thus likely that concrete bunkers would impede such a militant group from an objective of conquering the world via massive destruction? They seem hell-bent on using any force at their disposal regardless of the consequences. In his article for Townhall.com titled "Obama hands ISIS WMD," John Nantz warned that if mustard and sarin agents are present in Iraq, then the remnants of a nuclear program are possibly there as well. Whether ISIS has access to one such program could really be a matter of time. Already ISIS has uncovered 40 kg of nuclear material from Mosul University.

http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/4019.cfm

 

Obama might be set for a redo if a large city is hit in a practice run.

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

when the Afghan defeated the Russians, with help from our CIA, the average age of an afghani was 14.. instead of educating them and providing a humanitarian effort, we abandon them and groups like the taliban moved in to 'educate' these young teens.. now, they are today's terrorists.

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We have the experience of the Soviets, the early Brits and our own in Afghanistan.  Nation building isn't a good idea there. After destroying and running off the Talib and al Qaeda, the best bet was to use the airfield at Bagram for a couple of months to round up those we could, give the keys to the government HQ to a strong warlord with the warning, "don't give us a reason to come back."

 

Alexander the Great didn't do well there either.  But, they did name a city after him.

ISIS controls an area the size of Great Britain and have over $500 million available from banks seized in Iraq and Syria.  Defunding their operations, like we did with al Qaeda is another tactic -- close their accounts, issue warrants for the fund managers and threaten the banks with retaliation -- no transactions honored in US or EU.  Russians would even buy off on that.

 

Congrats, Obama, you've killed Osama.  And, left Libya and Syria is worse shape, let more terrorists groups grow larger, more powerful, wealthier and crazier than al Qaeda. 

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

lets get this straight.. ISIS got its start in syria... under the reign of good ole boosh.. no matter how many times dire blames obama.. the entire world knows better.. rt. wingnut logic, if you repeat a lie enough, people will believe it.

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I think Hillary is saying it's Obama's fault:

 

President Obama has long ridiculed the idea that the U.S., early in the Syrian civil war, could have shaped the forces fighting the Assad regime, thereby stopping al Qaeda-inspired groups—like the one rampaging across Syria and Iraq today—from seizing control of the rebellion. In an interview in February, the president told me that “when you have a professional army ... fighting against a farmer, a carpenter, an engineer who started out as protesters and suddenly now see themselves in the midst of a civil conflict—the notion that we could have, in a clean way that didn’t commit U.S. military forces, changed the equation on the ground there was never true.”

 

Well, his former secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, isn’t buying it. In an interview with me earlier this week, she used her sharpest language yet to describe the "failure" that resulted from the decision to keep the U.S. on the sidelines during the first phase of the Syrian uprising.

 

“The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad—there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle—the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled,” Clinton said.

http://www.theatlantic.com/int...rise-of-isis/375832/

either you didn't read or you don't understand my first post.. she's talking about the gaping hole we left when we abandon the middle east, after the defeat of the russians. which was a major factor in end of the cold war.. if you rt. wingnuts want a conspiracy.. think about this.. when we had the 'cold war' america and russia were prosperous.. perhaps they,  putin and obama , are just starting the cold war again to stimulate both economies.

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During the Cold War, the US was prosperous. But not because of the Cold War, but in spite of it. The Soviet Union was and, now Russia, is a third world nation with nukes.  They had one quarter the GDP of the US and spent half of that on munitions.  .  The USSR never produced enough food to feed its populace, even though Russia was the main global exporter of wheat before communism.  After the food riots in Rostov-on-Don and other cities, the Soviets imported food from the US, France and Argentina.paying in natural resources like chromite, furs, gold and other metals,  The place was so backward they set up a smuggling outfit that bought video games, imported them to Sweden and stripped out the computer chips for use -- including on their ICBMs.

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