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Observed here in the "Religion" section of the Forums: The continual banter, hostility, anger, attacks and other jib-jab aimed at certain "Christians" from other "Christians", are any of you acting in a "Christlike Manner"???

No doubt there is much hypocrisy dripping from the so called "Christians" here.

How do you keep bashing each other...then attend your Sunday services...sing "Oh To Be Like Thee" (ya know, like your Savior, Christ) then! Get on this Forum and act like a pack of Hyena's ...ravaging "One of your Own" when it is down?

"My God's better than YOUR God" syndrome.

In your book, the Bible, (yep, I've studied it many times...pretty good stuff, but then again, often strange) there are certain...DEFINED instructions on how a TRUE Christian should act.

Most of you professed "Christians" that post here...FAIL!

So...there is ONE...who continually posts...maybe wrong, maybe right...with a certain arrogance.

Is it actually arrogance...or "conviction"???

Challenge those who post contradictions. BUT! as "Christians", shouldn't you do it in a "Golden Rule" way...citing Scripture (You ALL use the same Bible...right?)  

Interpretation? 

Entertain me some more.

As an "outsider" looking in...what do you have that would interest me into joining in... "religion" based on the conduct...of you , to each other, here?

 

Matthew 7:12
: "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them," adding, "for this is the Law and the Prophets." The significance of Jesus Christ's statement here is huge. What we call the Golden Rule is the summation of God's entire way of life.

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Hi Roland,

 

You write, "As an 'outsider' looking in...what do you have that would interest me into joining in... 'religion' based on the conduct...of you , to each other, here?"

 

It is not what we have to offer you that counts; it is what God offers you that should highly interest you.  He offers you eternal life, eternal joy, in His presence.  The alternative to that -- is eternal hell and misery.  Is that really a choice?

 

Do we Christians always do and act as we should?  No.  But, if someone else is jumping off a cliff -- would you follow them?

 

Last night I viewed a video of Pastor Greg Laurie titled "The Nonbeliever's Favorite Verse"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7H-hLumn7k

 

The verse turns out to be Matthew 7:1, "Do not judge so that you will not be judged."

 

You should view the video and get his perspective on this and why non-believers almost always quote this verse to believers.  Also, I know that you will find a lot in his message that may help you to know and seek what God is offering you.  Give it a try.  You have nothing to lose except a little time today -- and maybe an eternity later.

 

And, the upside is -- you might gain an eternal life of joy and happiness.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I don't know why they even have a "religion" forum. When I first posted here it was called "Religion", but was described as a place to "discuss your religion or other practices and beliefs".  Bill has posted that he pushed for religion to have it's own forum here, but after they made the forum, it shouldn't have taken the TD more than a few days to see he only wanted it as his own little private "church" where he could "sermonize", "politicize", and make sure anyone disagreeing with him would face his wrath. Well, people aren't going to play his game, they're going to post and defend their opinions and religious beliefs or non-belief, and there you have the religion forum.

 

Nothing was ever said about this was a private Christians only snotty

little clique. The marquee says religion. I know now that means non

Christians need not post here. You also aren't allowed to post anything

outside the blinders of the church of the three amigos.

Don't call me Christian around here, I can't acknowledge that label.

I rely on my life in the real world. This is just a suburb of the entertainment

and politics forums.

 

 

Originally Posted by .:
Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:

So any one who believes that Jesus Christ actually existed would be a Christian..

Just because you know of Jesus' existence does not make you a Christian.  It is widely known that he lived, but does not make you a follower.

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Not widely known that he lived, widely believed maybe, however there are many that don't think a man named jesus ever existed.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by .:
Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:

So any one who believes that Jesus Christ actually existed would be a Christian..

Just because you know of Jesus' existence does not make you a Christian.  It is widely known that he lived, but does not make you a follower.

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Not widely known that he lived, widely believed maybe, however there are many that don't think a man named jesus ever existed.

Still does not make you a 'Christian' just because you may believe that he existed.  Just because I believe the history books that George Washington lived does not make me a follower of him or not.

Following it from where you posted to ME that it didn't make one a christian just because they might believe jesus existed.

 

 

My post:

 

Not widely known that he lived, widely believed maybe, however there are many that don't think a man named jesus ever existed.

Your post:

Still does not make you a 'Christian' just because you may believe that he existed.  Just because I believe the history books that George Washington lived does not make me a follower of him or not.

 

My post:

Never said it made anyone a christian if they believed jesus existed. 


How about you try to follow along. No where did I say it made one a christian if they believed jesus existed, yet you answered my post as if I had. You should have been clearer and posted "as crumbpicker stated". 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Following it from where you posted to ME that it didn't make one a christian just because they might believe jesus existed.

 

 

My post:

 

Not widely known that he lived, widely believed maybe, however there are many that don't think a man named jesus ever existed.

Your post:

Still does not make you a 'Christian' just because you may believe that he existed.  Just because I believe the history books that George Washington lived does not make me a follower of him or not.

 

My post:

Never said it made anyone a christian if they believed jesus existed. 


How about you try to follow along. No where did I say it made one a christian if they believed jesus existed, yet you answered my post as if I had. You should have been clearer and posted "as crumbpicker stated". 

Thanks for clearing that up.  I will surely do as you say.  I thought since you jumped in, you were following the whole post.  Did you not see where that statement was posted by Crumbpicker?

Thanks for clearing that up.  I will surely do as you say.  I thought since you jumped in, you were following the whole post.  Did you not see where that statement was posted by Crumbpicker?


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Oh, where I jumped in eh? I did see where YOU jumped in, but I didn't see that you had addressed your question to anyone in particular, and again, you were posting to me, not crumbpicker, when I replied. Thanks for making it clear that you're only conversing with him, even when you are posting replies to others.


 


Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Thanks for clearing that up.  I will surely do as you say.  I thought since you jumped in, you were following the whole post.  Did you not see where that statement was posted by Crumbpicker?


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Oh, where I jumped in eh? I did see where YOU jumped in, but I didn't see that you had addressed your question to anyone in particular, and again, you were posting to me, not crumbpicker, when I replied. Thanks for making it clear that you're only conversing with him, even when you are posting replies to others.


 


It is true that I asked a question

It is true that I did not address it to a particular individual

It is true that in your own post you reposted that is what crumbpicker stated

It is true that in my post I reposted that is what crumbpicker stated

So how did you not follow that it was crumbpicker who originally stated this?

Also do you believe that Pontius Pilate did not exist?

How about Tiberius or Julius Caesar?

How about Henry VIII?

Are they all ficitional characters too?

Who else do you believe did not existed?

It is true that I asked a question

It is true that I did not address it to a particular individual

It is true that in your own post you reposted that is what crumbpicker stated

It is true that in my post I reposted that is what crumbpicker stated

So how did you not follow that it was crumbpicker who originally stated this?

Again, you  were posting to me. It had nothing to do with what someone else said. You told ME that it didn't mean someone was a christian, I replied that I hadn't said it did.

 

Also do you also believe that Pontius Pilate did not exist?

How about Tiberius or Julius Caesar?

How about Henry VIII?

Are they all ficitional characters too?

Who else do you believe did not existed?

 

And that has what to do with what?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

It is true that I asked a question

It is true that I did not address it to a particular individual

It is true that in your own post you reposted that is what crumbpicker stated

It is true that in my post I reposted that is what crumbpicker stated

So how did you not follow that it was crumbpicker who originally stated this?

Again, you  were posting to me. It had nothing to do with what someone else said. You told ME that it didn't mean someone was a christian, I replied that I hadn't said it did.

 

Also do you also believe that Pontius Pilate did not exist?

How about Tiberius or Julius Caesar?

How about Henry VIII?

Are they all ficitional characters too?

Who else do you believe did not existed?

 

And that has what to do with what?

everything, so do you think all of history is just a fairy tale?

quote:  Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

I don't know why they even have a "religion" forum.  When I first posted here it was called "Religion", but was described as a place to "discuss your religion or other practices and beliefs."   Bill has posted that he pushed for religion to have it's own forum here, but after they made the forum, it shouldn't have taken the TD more than a few days to see he only wanted it as his own little private "church" where he could "sermonize", "politicize", and make sure anyone disagreeing with him would face his wrath.  Well, people aren't going to play his game, they're going to post and defend their opinions and religious beliefs or non-belief, and there you have the religion forum.

Hi Jennifer Best,

 

Actually, a lot of us asked the TD Forums to create a separate forum for religious issues.  Until that happened, we mostly posted on the Misc Forum -- and a lot of the folks who post there did not like having Christian issues posted there.  Personally, I suggested they name the new forum the "Faith & Family Forum; but, I guess the TD Mods felt that calling it the Religion Forum was more inclusive.  And, the rest is history.

 

Obviously, the reason I preferred the name "Faith & Family" is that this would have been more appropriate for Christian discussions -- even though many from world religions such as atheism would have still been posting.

 

Several Forum Friends in this discussion have raised the question:  "What is a Christian?"   So, let me offer this fairly good answer from GotQuestions.Org:  http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-a-Christian.html


Question:  "What is a Christian?"

Answer:  A dictionary definition of a Christian would be something similar to “a person professing belief in Jesus as the Christ or in the religion based on the teachings of Jesus.”  While this is a good starting point, like many dictionary definitions, it falls somewhat short of really communicating the biblical truth of what it means to be a Christian. 

 

The word “Christian” is used three times in the New Testament (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16). Followers of Jesus Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26) because their behavior, activity, and speech were like Christ.  The word “Christian” literally means, “belonging to the party of Christ” or a “follower of Christ.”

 

Bill Gray Note:  The non-believers of Antioch actually began calling followers of Jesus "Christians" meaning "Little Christs" or "Christ Followers" as a derogatory slur.  But, the believers liked the name so much, they adopted it as a positive name.

 

Unfortunately over time, the word “Christian” has lost a great deal of its significance and is often used of someone who is religious or has high moral values but who may or may not be a true follower of Jesus Christ.  Many people who do not believe and trust in Jesus Christ consider themselves Christians simply because they go to church or they live in a “Christian” nation. 

 

But going to church, serving those less fortunate than you, or being a good person does not make you a Christian. Going to church does not make you a Christian any more than going to a garage makes you an automobile. Being a member of a church, attending services regularly, and giving to the work of the church does not make you a Christian.

The Bible teaches that the good works we do cannot make us acceptable to God.  Titus 3:5 says, “He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.” 

 

So, a Christian is someone who has been born again by God (John 3:3; John 3:7; 1 Peter 1:23) and has put faith and trust in Jesus Christ.  Ephesians 2:8 tells us that it is “…by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.”

A true Christian is a person who has put faith and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ, including His death on the cross as payment for sins and His resurrection on the third day.  John 1:12 tells us, “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.” 

 

The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4, 10).  A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Jesus Christ.

 

My Friend, I pray this has shed some light on the Christian, why we are called Christians, and the fact that we are Christians, Christ Followers, by the grace of God, through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ -- alone.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by .:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

It is true that I asked a question

It is true that I did not address it to a particular individual

It is true that in your own post you reposted that is what crumbpicker stated

It is true that in my post I reposted that is what crumbpicker stated

So how did you not follow that it was crumbpicker who originally stated this?

Again, you  were posting to me. It had nothing to do with what someone else said. You told ME that it didn't mean someone was a christian, I replied that I hadn't said it did.

 

Also do you also believe that Pontius Pilate did not exist?

How about Tiberius or Julius Caesar?

How about Henry VIII?

Are they all ficitional characters too?

Who else do you believe did not existed?

 

And that has what to do with what?

everything, so do you think all of history is just a fairy tale?

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No one believes that.

 





quote:  Originally Posted by . :

Does anyone refute the fact that we are all children of God?

Hi Dot,

 

Welcome to the Religion Forum.  It is always good to have fresh thoughts and ideas brought to our Religion Forum family.

 

But, first, I am just curious.  Why have you chosen to not have a posting name?  Should we call you "Dot" or "Period"?

 

Second, you raise a good question, but one that needs clarification.   You write, "Does anyone refute the fact that we are all children of God?"

 

Are you saying that all Christian believers are children of God -- or that all people are children of God?  There is a big difference.  And, I guess the best answer is that all people are God's creation; but, only those who have put their faith in Jesus Christ and have a saving relationship with Jesus Christ -- are children of God.

 

John 1:12-13, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God."

 

All human creation is born of the will and flesh of man.  But, only those who, by the grace of God, through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ, have believed and received Him as Lord and Savior -- are children of God.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:

Observed here in the "Religion" section of the Forums: The continual banter, hostility, anger, attacks and other jib-jab aimed at certain "Christians" from other "Christians", are any of you acting in a "Christlike Manner"???

No doubt there is much hypocrisy dripping from the so called "Christians" here.

How do you keep bashing each other...then attend your Sunday services...sing "Oh To Be Like Thee" (ya know, like your Savior, Christ) then! Get on this Forum and act like a pack of Hyena's ...ravaging "One of your Own" when it is down?

"My God's better than YOUR God" syndrome.

In your book, the Bible, (yep, I've studied it many times...pretty good stuff, but then again, often strange) there are certain...DEFINED instructions on how a TRUE Christian should act.

Most of you professed "Christians" that post here...FAIL!

So...there is ONE...who continually posts...maybe wrong, maybe right...with a certain arrogance.

Is it actually arrogance...or "conviction"???

Challenge those who post contradictions. BUT! as "Christians", shouldn't you do it in a "Golden Rule" way...citing Scripture (You ALL use the same Bible...right?)  

Interpretation? 

Entertain me some more.

As an "outsider" looking in...what do you have that would interest me into joining in... "religion" based on the conduct...of you , to each other, here?

 

Matthew 7:12
: "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them," adding, "for this is the Law and the Prophets." The significance of Jesus Christ's statement here is huge. What we call the Golden Rule is the summation of God's entire way of life.

------------------------------------

So, Roland, you must be new around here.


 

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:

Observed here in the "Religion" section of the Forums: The continual banter, hostility, anger, attacks and other jib-jab aimed at certain "Christians" from other "Christians", are any of you acting in a "Christlike Manner"???

No doubt there is much hypocrisy dripping from the so called "Christians" here.

How do you keep bashing each other...then attend your Sunday services...sing "Oh To Be Like Thee" (ya know, like your Savior, Christ) then! Get on this Forum and act like a pack of Hyena's ...ravaging "One of your Own" when it is down?

"My God's better than YOUR God" syndrome.

In your book, the Bible, (yep, I've studied it many times...pretty good stuff, but then again, often strange) there are certain...DEFINED instructions on how a TRUE Christian should act.

Most of you professed "Christians" that post here...FAIL!

So...there is ONE...who continually posts...maybe wrong, maybe right...with a certain arrogance.

Is it actually arrogance...or "conviction"???

Challenge those who post contradictions. BUT! as "Christians", shouldn't you do it in a "Golden Rule" way...citing Scripture (You ALL use the same Bible...right?)  

Interpretation? 

Entertain me some more.

As an "outsider" looking in...what do you have that would interest me into joining in... "religion" based on the conduct...of you , to each other, here?

______

Hey! I'm not a Christian, don't pretend to be, but can I play???

Great post & the discussions of it can be interesting if the working for Satan "Christian" doesn't turn it into a "come to Satan" sermon, & everyone leaves the topic to get away from him.

 

Who is this "One of Their Own" that the Christians are attacking? The one I see being attacked by the majority of Christians here is Bill Gray but he's no Christian. Contendah claims to be a Christian but mostly all you see out of him is attacking the Catholic church & anyone that attends it. Haven't seen any kind of "Golden Rule" way or Christian love for a brother/sister out of him. 

 

As far as banter, hostility, anger, attacks & other jib-jab (I like the jib-jab reference), I can do that cause I'm no Christian. I'm just a Hell bound agnostic sinner. 

 

I don't hear anything on here that would interest anyone to become a Christian. The more I hang around the more I know I was right to get away from Christianity.

I have ole Billy Bob blocked but I can almost guarantee you will get a 40 paragraph sermon. Let us know how that works for you.  

Originally Posted by .:

Just because you know of Jesus' existence does not make you a Christian.  It is widely known that he lived, but does not make you a follower.

________

News flash!! It would be my guess that the majority of people on this forum already knows His existence doesn't make anyone a Christian.

It's widely known that he lived? Please share with me how you know this. If you believe it to be true because the Bible says so, then don't bother. I've already read it, I know what it says.

 

Don't think I've ever seen a member on this forum w/o an ID.

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