Christians??? Show of hands.

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Jenn, surely you've been to the corn field that has all the popping going on at midnight?

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Not for many years.

He/she has a screen name. It's "." That symbol is usually called a period or sometimes dot. I believe we once had a Dot on here, but she was banned--not sure why.

Welcome, ..

Perhaps I should have said. Hi ., welcome to the forum.

Dot seems to be making two good points regarding Jesus Christ.   First, we do know that He was a known historical person -- and this is supported by both secular and religious writings.  There is abundant evidence of His human existence in many writings.  So, there is absolutely no doubt that Jesus Christ lived as a man and was crucified around 33 AD by the Romans.

Now the most important question is -- was He just another human, or was He truly the preexisting Son of God.  I believe we can prove that also; but we do have to go to two sources which you do not trust.

First is faith.  Why do I have faith that Jesus Christ is God?  I have had too many personal prayers answered, many in the affirmative, but at times He said no.   But, because of these answered prayers, both the yes and the no answers, I know God is real -- and if God is real, why should I doubt that His Son is real?

And, the second proof is found in the Bible -- but, is much more tangible.  Prophecy proves that the Bible is true and valid, thus showing that God and Jesus Christ are truly the preexisting God we read about in Genesis 1 and in John 1.

There are over 1800 prophecies in the Bible -- and everyone except those few pertaining to the End Times have been fulfilled.  These are prophecies made in the Old Testament and fulfilled, hundreds or thousands of years later, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Professor of Science at Westmont College, Peter Stoner (past Chairman of the Departments of Mathematics and Astronomy at Pasadena City College; past Chairman of the Science Division, Westmont College; Professor Emeritus of Science, Westmont College), had over 600 of his students calculate the probability of one man fulfilling the major prophecies made concerning the Messiah.

Using only eight prophecies, they estimated that the chance of one man fulfilling eight prophecies was one in 10^17.

That is 1 chance in -- 100,000,000,000,000,000

That is for only 8 prophecies.  There are over 300 prophecies about Jesus Christ in the Bible.  Imagine how many zeros we would need to shown that number. 

And, all those prophecies have been fulfilled -- except the few pertaining to the End Times.

So, Chick, my Friend -- there is no way that anyone could rationally deny that Jesus Christ is God, God the Son, the preexisting Logos (Word of God) found in John 1:1.

And, regarding Dot's point that many people believe that Jesus Christ existed, and most believe He is truly the Son of God.  But, that alone does not make them Christian believers.  Lucifer/Satan and his billions of demonic angels not only believed that God and Jesus Christ are real -- they all had first hand, face to face proof of this.  They existed in heaven, in the presence of God and Jesus Christ -- until Lucifer/Satan decided he wanted to be equal to God.  Then Satan and all the angels who followed him were cursed.  They most certainly know that He is the Christ -- but, they surely are not believers -- and can never be believers.

A person becomes a Christian believer when, by the grace of God, through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross (Ephesians 2:8-9), they believe and receive Him as Lord and Savior (John 1:12).  At that time that person is indwelled and sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13) until the day of his/her redemption (Ephesians 4:30).  That day of redemption is when the believer either dies in this mortal body, or is raptured from this mortal body.   This is the true believer.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Well, shoot me, Kate!!! I should have said w/o an actual name, instead of a [.] Sorry you didn't get it, I would assume most people here would have.

There was a poster here after 10/27/12 called "Dot" that was banned?  Imagine that semi, all this time you've been putting that little symbol to end your statements, and only just now find out it's called a "period". I've heard those stories too, that it was sometimes called a dot. 

Hi, . here ( who is not the banned Dot,  recently just joined this forum)

my original question ( which I will now ask those of you who believe Jesus is the Son of God).  Do you refute that we are all children of God???  

Bestworking, no need to answer as you stated that you do not believe Jesus existed.

thanks for your answers.

Hi Bill, you can call me by my ID .  I appreciate you stating what you believe and your posts on why. 

Ye are the children of the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 14:1

 All of you are children of the most High. Psalm 82:6

 Ye are the sons of the living God. Hosea 1:10

All from the Bible. 

I bbelieve we are all children of God.  

thanks again for your reply.  May God bless you 

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Now, Jenn, behave yourself. The little [.] symbol has told you that you aren't allowed to answer. You think maybe I'll get notice next?

Hi semiannualchick,  since he sees no existence of God or Jesus or higher power than us no need to hear that again. So what do you think?  Or are you also agnostic to a higher power than yourself?

thanks .

I am not trying to be facetious when I show the name Dot on my responses to you.  It is just that it is difficult to address someone with a blank -- or with just a ".".   From this you can see the difficulties -- ending a sentence with "." and then closing with a period -- gives us either ".". or ".."

So, if you don't mind I will continue to use the pseudonym Dot.  As I say, I am not trying to be facetious, just that I am more comfortable having "some" name to reference.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I'll try to contain myself. I see dot is another one that just makes it up as she goes along, and can't keep up with what people actually post.

Hi bw. How could you answer when you do not believe in a higher power?

Dottie, you sound a lot like billie-je.

Hi bw. How could you answer when you do not believe in a higher power?

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How could I answer when I don't believe in a "higher power"?  Simple, by posting what I posted, there are no gods, or a "higher power", so there are no "children of god/gods". Why do you keep asking?  You posted the question, which had nothing to do with the thread, so sit back and wait on your answers. 

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I think so too. You think Billy has another secret?

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"He" is actually a "she".

Do you know what agnostic means? It's a person who believes that the existence of a greater power, such as a god, cannot be proven or disproved. Prove it to me, then I'll be a believer.

According to your other half, Billy, I'm still saved.

What do I think about what?

Yeah, I have powers. I have the power to use my brain for common sense.

Oh, and, .e, if you will use a line to separate your post from a quote, it makes for easier reading.

I am sure that most folks know that an agnostic is a person who cannot decide.  While the Christian stands with God on the right side of the fence -- and the atheist has staggered to the left side of the fence -- the agnostic is stuck sitting on the fence, wondering which way to fall.

You declare, "I'm still saved."   My Friend, one has to BE SAVED before one can STILL BE SAVED.   You can fill a bathtub with water, or turn on the shower -- but, until you step inside, you are not wet.

And, until you have had a saving relationship with Jesus Christ -- you cannot be still saved.

Yes, I realize that you can "claim" to have once been a Christian.  But, attending church a few times does not make one a Christian believer, nor can one be born into being a believer -- if one is not even sure there is a God.   

My Friend, God is real.  How do I know that God is real?  Well, for one thing -- His Bible is His valid revelation to man -- proven in the many, many fulfilled prophecies, over 1800.   No other book can show us a 100% accuracy in fulfilled prophecies -- except the Bible.  And, since the Bible is valid, so is its Author.

You tell us, "Prove it to me, then I'll be a believer."

Well, my Friend, your time has come!  Prophecy proves the Bible; the Bible proves its Author.  So, it is time for you to find a good local Christ-centered, Bible-teaching Christian fellowship and start on your journey to eternal life with God.  Praise the Lord!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Oooops! Looks like .e used bg's nym answer you Semi... 

Let me make something very clear to you Billy Bob & .e

As bad as this may hurt you, it ain’t up to you to decide who’s saved & who isn’t.  

If you had a functioning brain you would know why I said I’m saved. I was saved many years ago, know it beyond a shadow of a doubt. According to your OSAS theory, I AM STILL SAVED!!!!! But you don’t fool this chick. I know who’s love child you are & it certainly is not God’s! (IF He exist)

Now, why don’t you get off the computer, go to church & play Christian some more.

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hi BW,  

which  as I supposed you would Answer   This is why I said to not bother answering.  How can you believe we are all children if there is no preceived belief To begin with. Nothing new here.

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hi SAC, not sure why you think I believed you are saved or not.  No concern to me. I don't play Christian. Again no concern to me. Not even sure why you are lumping more together with Bill.  Just b/c I believe there is God?

* more s/b me

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Your post don't make alot of sense. Just one more reason some of us believe you are Billy's alter ego.

You tell Dot and me, "it ain’t up to you to decide who’s saved & who isn’t."

That is true; only God knows for sure.  However, He has given us good guidelines in His Written Word, the Bible, His sole authority revelation to man for salvation and for Christian living.  And, my Friend, today, you fit nowhere in what those guidelines tell us is a Christian believer.

But, if you want to run around like Chicken Little crying, "I was a Christian - but I ain't no more!" -- not a problem.  Chicken Little was also confused.

You tell us, "If you had a functioning brain you would know why I said I’m saved.  I was saved many years ago, know it beyond a shadow of a doubt.  According to your OSAS theory, I AM STILL SAVED!!!!!  But you don’t fool this chick.  I know who’s love child you are & it certainly is not God’s! (IF He exist) "

Yes, my Friend, we know why you say you were saved.  There are actually two reasons:  (1) many folks believe that because their family was Christian, that makes them an automatic Christian.  Not so.  Or, I'm a Christian because I grew up in a Christian community and attended church when I was young.   Nope, wrong again.  Neither attending church as a youngster, or living in a Christian community, or living in a Christian family makes a person a Christian.

Being a Christian believer is having a very personal relationship with Jesus Christ, even more personal than a relationship with a parent, sibling, or spouse.   No one who will write of God on a public forum "(IF He exists) " -- ever had such a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

And, reason (2), you believe this gives you a stronger argument in your dialogues with Christian believers, i.e., "Oh, I used to believe like you -- but, now I know better!"  That argument is even weaker than Vic's claims about his religion.

But, if claiming to have been a Christian before makes you feel good; then, God bless you, make yourself happy.   Unfortunately, that "feel good" feeling will be worthless when you stand before Jesus Christ in judgment.   Salvation, and eternal life in Christ, is still a personal choice EVERY person MUST make, individually.

However, I can still pray that you will lay aside all your anger toward God, the Bible, Jesus Christ, and Christians -- and allow the Holy Spirit to work a saving miracle in your heart.  With all my heart, I do want to walk in Christian fellowship with you in heaven one day.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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just like it doesn't make sense that you think I said you are saved?

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you are wacked. You can't accept me as another forum member. Judge and jury has decided I'm actually someone else. Up urs. 

Oh we'll I thought I would find some thought provoking conversation here. Guess I will have to move on. Enjoy!

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You have to be a mature healthy adult to find thought provoking conversation here. Anyone with NPD & a fake Christianity badge never will. Bye, bye!

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Yoga.

Was there ever a show of hands? Thought I may have missed it.