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Originally posted by PBA:
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."


Since this has already gotten off topic:

22 Ways to Be An Outstanding Democrat

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.

2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's. And, naturally, if you also happen to own a large estate, a large
home, and fly around in private jets, your life style does not affect the climate
because you purchased carbon offsets.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make The Passion of the Christ for financial gain only.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, and Thomas Edison & Alexander Graham Bell.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.

16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton not only is normal but also is a very nice person.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.

21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy.

22. You have to believe that it's okay to give Federal workers Christmas Day off but it's not okay to say "Merry Christmas."

So, now, how smart do you feel?
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Posted 24 September 2007 04:24 PM
A Church van with it's flashers on drove slowly passed my house today (Monday), as the passenger equipped with a megaphone was yelling out the window for people to vote NO on Tuesday in Sheffield.


They're not telling you how to vote. They are making a suggestion as to how you should vote. I'm sure you all have a suggestion as to what they can do with their suggestion.

Sounds like they need a hobby. What a waste of time.
I have no problem with any person or organization voicing their beliefs. It's when they become obnoxious and in-your-face with their opinions that it does become a problem.

Sorry, I think driving around neighborhoods and telling people how to vote is obnoxious. In our neighborhood, the ice cream man can't even roam the street with his musical truck. The neighborhood association has deemed it "noisesome". I would call these people "noisesome and a huge-turn-off-to-whatever-church-they-are-from".
If they were breaking the law, I suspect somebody would have called the cops and they would have been ticketed.

How annoying is it to see a bazillion signs at the entrance your neighborhood during election years? Then, nobody bothers to pick them up for about a year after the election is over. How about all the teenagers with 2,000 watt radios that force you to listen to their music at all hours of the night. Was the church van really more annoying, or was it because you disagree with their message?
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Originally posted by jmbo35660:
A Church van with it's flashers on drove slowly passed my house today (Monday), as the passenger equipped with a megaphone was yelling out the window for people to vote NO on Tuesday in Sheffield.


Okay, even I have to laugh at this one, Jimbo. The mental picture is just too funny & also picturing the reactions of people on their porch or working in the yard. I don't know what they hoped to accomplish by that, but it may have the opposite effect, bless their heart. LOL

Y'all might should thank them for reminding everybody.
There were some folks in my neighborhood doing the same thing Sunday afternoon. I was outside painting my new front door frame...they didn't bother talking to me...maybe it was that ice-cold Corona with a lime seductively floating in that hoppy goodness that was sitting on the porch next to me? Geez, I am such a sinner....bad me! </smacksownwrist>
Hi to my TimesDaily Friends,

While I agree with all of you that a church, or anyone, disburbing a quite neighborhood with their megaphone is very wrong -- there is a place, a time, and a way for Christians and their pastors to speak out on issues which affect our society and our families.

It is WRONG for a pastor to stand in the pulpit and tell the congregtion WHO to vote for -- but, it RIGHT for a pastor, and he is under an obligation from God, to talk about the issues which are anti-family and anti-God. A pastor should remind folks that God does not like for them to be killing babies, called abortion. He should tell the congregation that any leader -- local, state, or national -- who suppports and pushes abortion is wrong for America.

A pastor should remind folks that God instituted the very first marriage (Genesis) and that is the model we should follow: one man and one woman. Any leader -- local, state, or national -- who suppports and pushes same-sex marriage is wrong for America. Countries who have historically supported same-sex marriage are now witnessing a backlash from this action. I would not want to see America going there.

Personally, having a glass of wine with dinner, having a ****tail occasionally, is not wrong in my mind -- and it does not matter which day you do it. Taking anything to excess -- drinking, loud music, megaphones on trucks, etc. -- is wrong.

Having bars open on Sunday might be bit much -- but, as someone said, I do not have to be there. And, for the poor folks who are so lonely on Sundays that the only place the have to go for company is a bar -- maybe we should pray for them, offer them a hand in friendship -- but, not condemn them.

Remember the old saying, "There, but for the grace of God, goes me." In my younger, pre-Christian, days; I spent my share of Sundays looking for companionship in bars and other places. But, praise the Lord, I have been happily married for the past thirty years, and have been a Christian for twenty -- so, those days are behind me. But, not for everyone.

Compassion is a blessing to those who receive it; Christian compassion is a blessing to both the receiver and the giver.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be an Christian American!

To be added to my Friends Ministry mail list, please e-mail me at billdory@pacbell.net
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Don't think churches can do that and still be tax exempt Jmbo. All I've seen them do is hand out information regarding where each candidate stands on different issues.


A lot of churches(including the one I a member of) is getting away from the Tax Exempt status. They don't want people trying to censor free speech.

Of course the only time I hear any complaints is when its a conservative view. You don't hear any complaints when Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, Obama, or any other democrat stands in the pulpit and tell the people how they should vote.
I agree, Bill. I'd go a step further myself. I feel like what a church discusses within the church walls is nobody's business but that church's members. I understand that if we want to keep tax exempt status, we must abide by the rules for that. But what I don't want to happen is for that rule to be used to control what subjects can be preached on or taught on. We need to keep separation of church and state separate from both directions.
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Originally posted by Schnauzer:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Don't think churches can do that and still be tax exempt Jmbo. All I've seen them do is hand out information regarding where each candidate stands on different issues.


A lot of churches(including the one I a member of) is getting away from the Tax Exempt status. They don't want people trying to censor free speech.

Of course the only time I hear any complaints is when its a conservative view. You don't hear any complaints when Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, Obama, or any other democrat stands in the pulpit and tell the people how they should vote.




Of course the only time I hear any complaints is when its a conservative view. You don't hear any complaints when Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, Obama, or any other democrat stands in the pulpit and tell the people how they should vote.


Schnauzer, With all due respect, I just want you to think about something. Where would the conservatives be without these type's of people as you've mentioned, the Jesse Jackson's, the Al Sharpton's? The media gives these people the time. Your conservative talk shows are the worst because they are constantly pounding the Jesse Jackson's and the Al Sharpton's into our heads. These would be your left wing radicals. But remember, the right wing has their radicals as well and their extremists, Pat Robertson, Jerry Farwell, as well as others. The extremists and radicals come from all sides of politics and they will always be there. The conservatives enjoy pounding these people and relating them to the democrat party.
Hi Joy,

You say: "I agree, Bill. I'd go a step further myself. I feel like what a church discusses within the church walls is nobody's business but that church's members. I understand that if we want to keep tax exempt status, we must abide by the rules for that. But what I don't want to happen is for that rule to be used to control what subjects can be preached on or taught on. We need to keep separation of church and state separate from both directions."

Let's look at what the First Amendment really says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This is saying that the government: local, state, and federal, shall make "no law respecting an establishment of religion." What does this mean? It means that the government will not establish a state religion -- as was done in England, mandating that all citizens would, by law, be members of the Church of England; driving out the Separatist/Pilgrims who wanted to worship in their own churches. This is why the Pilgrims came to America; so that they might worship as they chose, where they chose, and how they chose. Our founding fathers used the federal office buildings as houses of worship on Sundays; how separate is that?

The problem lies in the fact that our Liberal/Secular politicians seem to ignore the second part of that phrase: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" -- which says that the government cannot prohibit the free exercise of our worship -- or our freedom of speaking the truth found in our Bibles, i.e., that homosexuality is a sin, that marriage is to be between one man and one woman, etc. By allowing the IRS to gag pastors who truly teach from the Bible -- the government is, itself, violating the First Amendment.

No, the constitution never said, implied, nor intended that there be any separation between the state and the church -- for, without the Christian influence in government, we hand our government and our nation over to those secularists who are Godless, who have no true concept of positive moral values. In effect, we sell our souls to the Devil.

Our first Congress used federal buildings as houses of worship; our first Congress purchased 20,000 Bibles from Europe to be distributed throughout the colonies, because they wanted the moral values taught in the Bible to be infused into our society and daily lives. Our first Congress contracted to start a printing company in Philadelphia to begin printing Bibles in America. Does that sound like separation of church and state?

If our government, if the IRS, would abide by the true wording of the First Amendment, our pastors and churches would have no need for any separation. So, rather than curing the symptoms by separating the church from our daily government -- let's cure the sickness, by demanding the government abide by the true First Amendment words.

And, I will close by reemphasizing that a pastor who does not discuss the issues of Pro-Life, Pro-God, and Pro-Family in his church is denying the God he is supposed to be serving. In the book of Daniel, we see that Daniel and his three friends would not deny God and worship the pagan king -- and Daniel was thrown in the lion's den, and his three friends were tossed in the fiery oven. Yet, because they stood for God; God stood by them. We need a lot of Daniels in our pulpits in America today; especially today with the Liberals and the Secularists poised to take over our country.

Pray for America and for the 2008 election -- for the prospects at this moment look dismal. There is no true Pro-God, Pro-Life, Pro-Family candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- that I can see at this time. I pray that God will raise up a good man to fill this job.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be an Christian American!

To be added to my Friends Ministry mail list please e-mail me at billdory@pacbell.net
I agree with you, Bill. Here's the problem. We are not dealing with our founding fathers. We are dealing with snakes and theives. I pray good men and women make it to leadership in the country, but right now I'm pretty discouraged. I don't trust these people to do the right thing where churches are concerned. I fear that if churches insist on freedom to move in government that the government will insist on freedom to move in churches.

I absolutely do NOT think that Christians should be silenced. We are citizens of this country with the freedom to speak, vote, petition, etc. and that certainly includes Christians that work in local, state and federal government. However, I still say tread carefully when dealing with wolves. JMHO
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Joy,

You say: "I agree, Bill. I'd go a step further myself. I feel like what a church discusses within the church walls is nobody's business but that church's members. I understand that if we want to keep tax exempt status, we must abide by the rules for that. But what I don't want to happen is for that rule to be used to control what subjects can be preached on or taught on. We need to keep separation of church and state separate from both directions."

Let's look at what the First Amendment really says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This is saying that the government: local, state, and federal, shall make "no law respecting an establishment of religion." What does this mean? It means that the government will not establish a state religion -- as was done in England, mandating that all citizens would, by law, be members of the Church of England; driving out the Separatist/Pilgrims who wanted to worship in their own churches. This is why the Pilgrims came to America; so that they might worship as they chose, where they chose, and how they chose. Our founding fathers used the federal office buildings as houses of worship on Sundays; how separate is that?

The problem lies in the fact that our Liberal/Secular politicians seem to ignore the second part of that phrase: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" -- which says that the government cannot prohibit the free exercise of our worship -- or our freedom of speaking the truth found in our Bibles, i.e., that homosexuality is a sin, that marriage is to be between one man and one woman, etc. By allowing the IRS to gag pastors who truly teach from the Bible -- the government is, itself, violating the First Amendment.

No, the constitution never said, implied, nor intended that there be any separation between the state and the church -- for, without the Christian influence in government, we hand our government and our nation over to those secularists who are Godless, who have no true concept of positive moral values. In effect, we sell our souls to the Devil.

Our first Congress used federal buildings as houses of worship; our first Congress purchased 20,000 Bibles from Europe to be distributed throughout the colonies, because they wanted the moral values taught in the Bible to be infused into our society and daily lives. Our first Congress contracted to start a printing company in Philadelphia to begin printing Bibles in America. Does that sound like separation of church and state?

If our government, if the IRS, would abide by the true wording of the First Amendment, our pastors and churches would have no need for any separation. So, rather than curing the symptoms by separating the church from our daily government -- let's cure the sickness, by demanding the government abide by the true First Amendment words.

And, I will close by reemphasizing that a pastor who does not discuss the issues of Pro-Life, Pro-God, and Pro-Family in his church is denying the God he is supposed to be serving. In the book of Daniel, we see that Daniel and his three friends would not deny God and worship the pagan king -- and Daniel was thrown in the lion's den, and his three friends were tossed in the fiery oven. Yet, because they stood for God; God stood by them. We need a lot of Daniels in our pulpits in America today; especially today with the Liberals and the Secularists poised to take over our country.

Pray for America and for the 2008 election -- for the prospects at this moment look dismal. There is no true Pro-God, Pro-Life, Pro-Family candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- that I can see at this time. I pray that God will raise up a good man to fill this job.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be an Christian American!

To be added to my Friends Ministry mail list please e-mail me at billdory@pacbell.net


Bill, people that think like what you just stated are a real danger .

What you are saying is that John Edwards (Southern Baptist), Hillary Clinton (Methodist) and Barack Obama (Church of Christ), Joe Biden (Catholic) , John McCain (Southern Baptist) Mit Romney (Mormon), I don't know what the affiliation of the rest is, are:

> Anti God
>Pro death
> Against famalies

You are a nut case!

I suggest that , at least the ones I mentioned, are God-Fearing people who do not want people to die (the first 4 I mentioned are actually trying to save lives in Iraq) , and are activally trying to help working families hold it together.
Rhetoric like what you just used is just plain a lie and the truth is not in it. I hope you re-evaluate your thinking process so that the same cannot be said about you.
ps: I want to add, what I said is not aimed at you as a person so much as what you said and the rhetoric of people who go around spewing that kind of venom.
"Pro Death?" There are a lot of people about whom I'd definitely take a "pro death" stance.

John "Silky Pony" Edwards, Hillary "The Hildebeest" Clinton, and Barack Hussein Obama are definitely poster children for christianity. As far as for not wanting people to die, they could care less about the soldiers in Iraq or about the middle class families you cite. What they want is POWER, and they are willing to do anything to get it.

Hildebeest is an unreconstructed socialist, Obama was (and maybe still is; the jury's still out) a Muslim, and John Edwards is a slimy trial lawyer. Bill's right...America has worked very hard to kick God out and now we're going to reap the rewards.

I'm definitely a nut case, and as PBA has said, probably a thug as well. But unlike libtards, I live in the REAL world. That makes me dangerous.
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
"Pray for America and for the 2008 election -- for the prospects at this moment look dismal. There is no true Pro-God, Pro-Life, Pro-Family candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- that I can see at this time. I pray that God will raise up a good man to fill this job."

Have you looked into Mike Huckabee the former Governor of Arkansas? Do a search for him on Youtube.com & I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Not sure he could pull off a win...but he is in the race.
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Originally posted by boardsandnails:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
"Pray for America and for the 2008 election -- for the prospects at this moment look dismal. There is no true Pro-God, Pro-Life, Pro-Family candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- that I can see at this time. I pray that God will raise up a good man to fill this job."

Have you looked into Mike Huckabee the former Governor of Arkansas? Do a search for him on Youtube.com & I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Not sure he could pull off a win...but he is in the race.


I actually like much of what Huckabee says. I am concerned however that he may try to futher the far right wing agenda that is attempting to turn our country into a theoracy. I am also concerned that he may also attempt to have schools teach Bible instead of science.

As far as the entire field , both parties, I believe ANYBODY, or anything for that matter, will be far superior than what we have now.
One exception may be Brownback who has shown himself to be a self-righteous theocrat.
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Joy,

You say: "I agree, Bill. I'd go a step further myself. I feel like what a church discusses within the church walls is nobody's business but that church's members. I understand that if we want to keep tax exempt status, we must abide by the rules for that. But what I don't want to happen is for that rule to be used to control what subjects can be preached on or taught on. We need to keep separation of church and state separate from both directions."

Let's look at what the First Amendment really says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This is saying that the government: local, state, and federal, shall make "no law respecting an establishment of religion." What does this mean? It means that the government will not establish a state religion -- as was done in England, mandating that all citizens would, by law, be members of the Church of England; driving out the Separatist/Pilgrims who wanted to worship in their own churches. This is why the Pilgrims came to America; so that they might worship as they chose, where they chose, and how they chose. Our founding fathers used the federal office buildings as houses of worship on Sundays; how separate is that?

The problem lies in the fact that our Liberal/Secular politicians seem to ignore the second part of that phrase: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" -- which says that the government cannot prohibit the free exercise of our worship -- or our freedom of speaking the truth found in our Bibles, i.e., that homosexuality is a sin, that marriage is to be between one man and one woman, etc. By allowing the IRS to gag pastors who truly teach from the Bible -- the government is, itself, violating the First Amendment.


LOL. You're equating the threat of the loss of tax exemption with gagging? What a joke. It's only a problem if the money is more important to the church than the message.

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No, the constitution never said, implied, nor intended that there be any separation between the state and the church -- for, without the Christian influence in government, we hand our government and our nation over to those secularists who are Godless, who have no true concept of positive moral values. In effect, we sell our souls to the Devil.


Your moral smugness is amazing. SO, anyone who does not share your beliefs can have "no true concept of positive moral values". How can someone with such an attitude be expected to treat others fairly?

quote:

Our first Congress used federal buildings as houses of worship; our first Congress purchased 20,000 Bibles from Europe to be distributed throughout the colonies, because they wanted the moral values taught in the Bible to be infused into our society and daily lives. Our first Congress contracted to start a printing company in Philadelphia to begin printing Bibles in America. Does that sound like separation of church and state?


Please note that the constitution refers to religion, not Christianity. There are many religions.

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If our government, if the IRS, would abide by the true wording of the First Amendment, our pastors and churches would have no need for any separation. So, rather than curing the symptoms by separating the church from our daily government -- let's cure the sickness, by demanding the government abide by the true First Amendment words.


Of course this should only apply to Christians, no other religion should be allowed to do the same thing since that would be bad for the nation. Everything would be hunky-dory if we just eliminated every other viewpoint but yours.

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And, I will close by reemphasizing that a pastor who does not discuss the issues of Pro-Life, Pro-God, and Pro-Family in his church is denying the God he is supposed to be serving. In the book of Daniel, we see that Daniel and his three friends would not deny God and worship the pagan king -- and Daniel was thrown in the lion's den, and his three friends were tossed in the fiery oven. Yet, because they stood for God; God stood by them. We need a lot of Daniels in our pulpits in America today; especially today with the Liberals and the Secularists poised to take over our country.


Government should be secular. History has distinctly demonstrated that secular power and religion do not mix well.

quote:

Pray for America and for the 2008 election -- for the prospects at this moment look dismal. There is no true Pro-God, Pro-Life, Pro-Family candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- that I can see at this time. I pray that God will raise up a good man to fill this job.


I do pray for America. I pray that we will have a government that supports all citizens, not just those who desire to legislate their religion into secular law.

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God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be an Christian American!

To be added to my Friends Ministry mail list please e-mail me at billdory@pacbell.net
quote:
Originally posted by jmbo35660:
Actually Hoober, It didn't annoy me, it was just something I had never seen happen before an election. I wonder if the Church will be that interested in the Presidential election or municipal election next year.


The "church," insofar as that term can be stretched to include such parachurch wacko organizations as focus on the Family and Pat Robertson's outfit, will certainly attempt to influence your vote in 2008. I have to be amused in contemplating the choices that may face such nutcake organizations, though. If thrice-divorced, pro-choice Guiliani gets the GOP nod, and he winds up facing Hilary Clinton in the general election, how will the right-wing proclivities of Robertson, James Dobson, etc. then be torqued? Will they urge their sheep-like followers to "Hold your nose and vote for Rudy?"
Last edited by beternU
What sheep-like followers, beternU? They can try to influence the vote as much as anyone else...lefties, Reps, Dems, conservatives, libs, whatever. There are big mouths in every category. People that take the time to go vote take their vote seriously. Their vote is their's alone and their decision alone.

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