A Church van with it's flashers on drove slowly passed my house today (Monday), as the passenger equipped with a megaphone was yelling out the window for people to vote NO on Tuesday in Sheffield.
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quote:Originally posted by PBA:
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
quote:Posted 24 September 2007 04:24 PM
A Church van with it's flashers on drove slowly passed my house today (Monday), as the passenger equipped with a megaphone was yelling out the window for people to vote NO on Tuesday in Sheffield.
quote:It drove thru my neighborhood too, but I didn't catch the name of the Church on the van. I think it began with an "A". Jmbo35660, do you know which one it was???
quote:Originally posted by jmbo35660:
A Church van with it's flashers on drove slowly passed my house today (Monday), as the passenger equipped with a megaphone was yelling out the window for people to vote NO on Tuesday in Sheffield.
quote:Originally posted by jmbo35660:
They're working me hard. They came by my house twice yesterday.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Don't think churches can do that and still be tax exempt Jmbo. All I've seen them do is hand out information regarding where each candidate stands on different issues.
quote:Originally posted by Schnauzer:quote:Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Don't think churches can do that and still be tax exempt Jmbo. All I've seen them do is hand out information regarding where each candidate stands on different issues.
A lot of churches(including the one I a member of) is getting away from the Tax Exempt status. They don't want people trying to censor free speech.
Of course the only time I hear any complaints is when its a conservative view. You don't hear any complaints when Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, Obama, or any other democrat stands in the pulpit and tell the people how they should vote.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Joy,
You say: "I agree, Bill. I'd go a step further myself. I feel like what a church discusses within the church walls is nobody's business but that church's members. I understand that if we want to keep tax exempt status, we must abide by the rules for that. But what I don't want to happen is for that rule to be used to control what subjects can be preached on or taught on. We need to keep separation of church and state separate from both directions."
Let's look at what the First Amendment really says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
This is saying that the government: local, state, and federal, shall make "no law respecting an establishment of religion." What does this mean? It means that the government will not establish a state religion -- as was done in England, mandating that all citizens would, by law, be members of the Church of England; driving out the Separatist/Pilgrims who wanted to worship in their own churches. This is why the Pilgrims came to America; so that they might worship as they chose, where they chose, and how they chose. Our founding fathers used the federal office buildings as houses of worship on Sundays; how separate is that?
The problem lies in the fact that our Liberal/Secular politicians seem to ignore the second part of that phrase: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" -- which says that the government cannot prohibit the free exercise of our worship -- or our freedom of speaking the truth found in our Bibles, i.e., that homosexuality is a sin, that marriage is to be between one man and one woman, etc. By allowing the IRS to gag pastors who truly teach from the Bible -- the government is, itself, violating the First Amendment.
No, the constitution never said, implied, nor intended that there be any separation between the state and the church -- for, without the Christian influence in government, we hand our government and our nation over to those secularists who are Godless, who have no true concept of positive moral values. In effect, we sell our souls to the Devil.
Our first Congress used federal buildings as houses of worship; our first Congress purchased 20,000 Bibles from Europe to be distributed throughout the colonies, because they wanted the moral values taught in the Bible to be infused into our society and daily lives. Our first Congress contracted to start a printing company in Philadelphia to begin printing Bibles in America. Does that sound like separation of church and state?
If our government, if the IRS, would abide by the true wording of the First Amendment, our pastors and churches would have no need for any separation. So, rather than curing the symptoms by separating the church from our daily government -- let's cure the sickness, by demanding the government abide by the true First Amendment words.
And, I will close by reemphasizing that a pastor who does not discuss the issues of Pro-Life, Pro-God, and Pro-Family in his church is denying the God he is supposed to be serving. In the book of Daniel, we see that Daniel and his three friends would not deny God and worship the pagan king -- and Daniel was thrown in the lion's den, and his three friends were tossed in the fiery oven. Yet, because they stood for God; God stood by them. We need a lot of Daniels in our pulpits in America today; especially today with the Liberals and the Secularists poised to take over our country.
Pray for America and for the 2008 election -- for the prospects at this moment look dismal. There is no true Pro-God, Pro-Life, Pro-Family candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- that I can see at this time. I pray that God will raise up a good man to fill this job.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net
Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be an Christian American!
To be added to my Friends Ministry mail list please e-mail me at billdory@pacbell.net
quote:Originally posted by boardsandnails:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
"Pray for America and for the 2008 election -- for the prospects at this moment look dismal. There is no true Pro-God, Pro-Life, Pro-Family candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- that I can see at this time. I pray that God will raise up a good man to fill this job."
Have you looked into Mike Huckabee the former Governor of Arkansas? Do a search for him on Youtube.com & I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Not sure he could pull off a win...but he is in the race.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Joy,
You say: "I agree, Bill. I'd go a step further myself. I feel like what a church discusses within the church walls is nobody's business but that church's members. I understand that if we want to keep tax exempt status, we must abide by the rules for that. But what I don't want to happen is for that rule to be used to control what subjects can be preached on or taught on. We need to keep separation of church and state separate from both directions."
Let's look at what the First Amendment really says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
This is saying that the government: local, state, and federal, shall make "no law respecting an establishment of religion." What does this mean? It means that the government will not establish a state religion -- as was done in England, mandating that all citizens would, by law, be members of the Church of England; driving out the Separatist/Pilgrims who wanted to worship in their own churches. This is why the Pilgrims came to America; so that they might worship as they chose, where they chose, and how they chose. Our founding fathers used the federal office buildings as houses of worship on Sundays; how separate is that?
The problem lies in the fact that our Liberal/Secular politicians seem to ignore the second part of that phrase: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" -- which says that the government cannot prohibit the free exercise of our worship -- or our freedom of speaking the truth found in our Bibles, i.e., that homosexuality is a sin, that marriage is to be between one man and one woman, etc. By allowing the IRS to gag pastors who truly teach from the Bible -- the government is, itself, violating the First Amendment.
quote:
No, the constitution never said, implied, nor intended that there be any separation between the state and the church -- for, without the Christian influence in government, we hand our government and our nation over to those secularists who are Godless, who have no true concept of positive moral values. In effect, we sell our souls to the Devil.
quote:
Our first Congress used federal buildings as houses of worship; our first Congress purchased 20,000 Bibles from Europe to be distributed throughout the colonies, because they wanted the moral values taught in the Bible to be infused into our society and daily lives. Our first Congress contracted to start a printing company in Philadelphia to begin printing Bibles in America. Does that sound like separation of church and state?
quote:
If our government, if the IRS, would abide by the true wording of the First Amendment, our pastors and churches would have no need for any separation. So, rather than curing the symptoms by separating the church from our daily government -- let's cure the sickness, by demanding the government abide by the true First Amendment words.
quote:
And, I will close by reemphasizing that a pastor who does not discuss the issues of Pro-Life, Pro-God, and Pro-Family in his church is denying the God he is supposed to be serving. In the book of Daniel, we see that Daniel and his three friends would not deny God and worship the pagan king -- and Daniel was thrown in the lion's den, and his three friends were tossed in the fiery oven. Yet, because they stood for God; God stood by them. We need a lot of Daniels in our pulpits in America today; especially today with the Liberals and the Secularists poised to take over our country.
quote:
Pray for America and for the 2008 election -- for the prospects at this moment look dismal. There is no true Pro-God, Pro-Life, Pro-Family candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- that I can see at this time. I pray that God will raise up a good man to fill this job.
quote:
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net
Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be an Christian American!
To be added to my Friends Ministry mail list please e-mail me at billdory@pacbell.net
quote:Originally posted by GTO4ever:
I thank God that my Church stays out of politics. What will be will be.
quote:Originally posted by jmbo35660:
Actually Hoober, It didn't annoy me, it was just something I had never seen happen before an election. I wonder if the Church will be that interested in the Presidential election or municipal election next year.