What kind of animals do we have in our armed forces?
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quote:Originally posted by WH:
What kind of animals do we have in our armed forces?
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quote:Originally posted by WH:
What kind of animals do we have in our armed forces?
quote:Originally posted by HadEnough:
How dare you? You telling me that you feel sorry for these people? What about the people here that lost their life due to 911? People like you make me sick. Why dont you move over there and join them, you are not American are you?
Let me remind you, watch this video in case you forgot why they get what they ask for. Children, our children were in these buildings too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...COHc&feature=related
Iwas lucky in 73 they started the volunteer draft.I was registered as 1-H.But i was ready to go! I saw what war did to my dad.I see my dear brother who is a viet-nam vet slowly dying right now from agent orange.I greatly admire and respect our brave vets!quote:Originally posted by budsfarm:quote:Originally posted by WH:
What kind of animals do we have in our armed forces?
In my military experience, the animals I encountered which were in the US Armed Forces inventory were MWDs and horses pulling caissons carrying the remains of an American soldier who died in service to his country.
WH, what animals did you encounter in your military experience?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275341,00.htmlquote:WASHINGTON — Al Qaeda terrorists use blow torches, electric drills and meat cleavers to torture and force information out of their victims, according to a "how-to" book discovered in a terrorist safe house in Iraq.
The Defense Department recently released disturbing images and cartoons showing how to torture a captive found by American forces during a raid on a Al Qaeda safe house a few weeks ago. They also found photos of tortured Iraqi victims.
The book guides followers of Al Qaeda how to interrogate and torture captives.
The drawings and cartoons depict ways to use electric drills and irons, meat cleavers and other devices to force victims to talk or harm them.
Some of the drawings show how to drill hands, sever limbs, drag victims behind cars, remove eyes, put a blowtorch or iron to someone’s skin, suspend a person from a ceiling and electrocute them, break limbs and restrict breath and put someone’s head in a vice.
Items found at the safe house include electric drills, hammers, blow torches, meat cleavers, pliers and wire cutters, chains, screw drivers, whips and handcuffs.
quote:Originally posted by WH:
What kind of animals do we have in our armed forces?
quote:Originally posted by junior samples:
Iwas lucky in 73 they started the volunteer draft.I was registered as 1-H.But i was ready to go! I saw what war did to my dad.I see my dear brother who is a viet-nam vet slowly dying right now from agent orange.I greatly admire and respect our brave vets!
quote:So who's the animal here? I guess the Apache pilot should have landed in the middle of a band of armed insurgents and asked them if they were really hostile and if there were any reporters and cameramen among them.
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:So who's the animal here? I guess the Apache pilot should have landed in the middle of a band of armed insurgents and asked them if they were really hostile and if there were any reporters and cameramen among them.
There were no weapons. The pilot identified cameras as AK 47 rifles. He new different.
I feel no sympathy for terrorist...American or other.
The U.S. is in Irag illegally, killing unarmed people. Its amazing how you are tying Iraq in with 911...those pilots were from Saudi Arabia. But wait, our govt. is still friends with them...you are being led like sheep.
The sound bites you are using sounds good...just factually wrong.
Flatus the ancient...I will change one word in your link you posted...
""I think the worry that we have is clearly what we have seen over the past year: that whatever progress is made — and particularly in the last few months — often is overshadowed when the U.S. will launch a major attack that kills a lot of innocent civilian Iraqis,"
That is exactly what happened here.
quote:Originally posted by HadEnough:quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:So who's the animal here? I guess the Apache pilot should have landed in the middle of a band of armed insurgents and asked them if they were really hostile and if there were any reporters and cameramen among them.
There were no weapons. The pilot identified cameras as AK 47 rifles. He new different.
I feel no sympathy for terrorist...American or other.
The U.S. is in Irag illegally, killing unarmed people. Its amazing how you are tying Iraq in with 911...those pilots were from Saudi Arabia. But wait, our govt. is still friends with them...you are being led like sheep.
The sound bites you are using sounds good...just factually wrong.
Flatus the ancient...I will change one word in your link you posted...
""I think the worry that we have is clearly what we have seen over the past year: that whatever progress is made — and particularly in the last few months — often is overshadowed when the U.S. will launch a major attack that kills a lot of innocent civilian Iraqis,"
That is exactly what happened here.
launch a major attack that kills a lot of innocent ? Good!!!! did you forget about Desert Storm?
On August 2, 1990, Iraqi forces invaded Kuwait. Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had been making threats against Kuwait for some time, but his actual invasion caught most of the world by surprise. The magnitude of the invasion also was a surprise.
The Iraqis are innocent of nothing and guilty of everything.
quote:Originally posted by WH:
.....I did my time in Viet Nam...I can tell you all about senseless, useless killing. I have seen innocent women and children killed because of blood thirsty troops...this pilot brought back some bad memories....
quote:There were no weapons. The pilot identified cameras as AK 47 rifles. He new different.
quote:Originally posted by budsfarm:quote:Originally posted by WH:
.....I did my time in Viet Nam...I can tell you all about senseless, useless killing. I have seen innocent women and children killed because of blood thirsty troops...this pilot brought back some bad memories....
Really?
"They may deport him... (in News) by WH
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=12591622 He will be back in a few days. What in the hell is wrong with my country, my govt.? This is not the U.S. I have known for the first 40 years of my life....
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03 June 2010 07:32 PM"
You were born in 1970. You were 5 years old when the war ended.
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quote:Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:quote:There were no weapons. The pilot identified cameras as AK 47 rifles. He new different.
You need to put down the liquor glasses and put on the reading glasses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a34IjD69uc
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by budsfarm:quote:Originally posted by WH:
.....I did my time in Viet Nam...I can tell you all about senseless, useless killing. I have seen innocent women and children killed because of blood thirsty troops...this pilot brought back some bad memories....
Really?
"They may deport him... (in News) by WH
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=12591622 He will be back in a few days. What in the hell is wrong with my country, my govt.? This is not the U.S. I have known for the first 40 years of my life....
TimesDaily.com Forums > Forums > News
03 June 2010 07:32 PM"
You were born in 1970. You were 5 years old when the war ended.
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Another fool that can't comprehend what they read.
The 'first' forty years *******! This country didn't just start changing yesterday. This all started about twenty something years ago. I remember when a soldier was valiant figure. The Korean war was the last of that. Its not necessarily a change in the soldier but a change in our govt. foreign policies.
quote:Who were the Iraqis shooting at?
quote:"In a moment of truth, during a videoconference with U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, General McChrystal candidly admitted, "We've shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force," He further acknowledges, "To my knowledge, in the nine-plus months I've been here, not a single case where we have engaged in an escalation of force incident and hurt someone has it turned out that the vehicle had a suicide bomb or weapons in it and, in many cases, had families in it." "
quote:Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:quote:Who were the Iraqis shooting at?
The group with the guns joined the journalists in a huddle when the helicopter's gunner cut loose. From all appearances they were all up to no good.
quote:"In a moment of truth, during a videoconference with U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, General McChrystal candidly admitted, "We've shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force," He further acknowledges, "To my knowledge, in the nine-plus months I've been here, not a single case where we have engaged in an escalation of force incident and hurt someone has it turned out that the vehicle had a suicide bomb or weapons in it and, in many cases, had families in it." "
The video with the Apache is in Iraq, McCrystal was referring to Afghanistan and is there by Obama's order. We also have other NATO troops there and they also call in air strikes on the wrong people. Do you blame the US pilot for something he can't see.
quote:Originally posted by budsfarm:quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by budsfarm:quote:Originally posted by WH:
.....I did my time in Viet Nam...I can tell you all about senseless, useless killing. I have seen innocent women and children killed because of blood thirsty troops...this pilot brought back some bad memories....
Really?
"They may deport him... (in News) by WH
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=12591622 He will be back in a few days. What in the hell is wrong with my country, my govt.? This is not the U.S. I have known for the first 40 years of my life....
TimesDaily.com Forums > Forums > News
03 June 2010 07:32 PM"
You were born in 1970. You were 5 years old when the war ended.
.
.
Another fool that can't comprehend what they read.
The 'first' forty years *******! This country didn't just start changing yesterday. This all started about twenty something years ago. I remember when a soldier was valiant figure. The Korean war was the last of that. Its not necessarily a change in the soldier but a change in our govt. foreign policies.
Well then, which is it? Country changed 20 years ago?
So your first 40 years included VN, and you were okay with it on June 3, 2010.
Hang it up, WH. You are not a Nam vet. Quit lying
quote:My point is the U.S. is killing innocent people.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30657714/quote:updated 1:44 p.m. CT, Sat., May 9, 2009
KABUL - A joint U.S.-Afghan investigation confirmed that an unspecified number of civilians died in a southern Afghan battle, but the initial findings released Saturday appeared to blame Taliban militants who used locals as “human shields.”
Heavy fighting took place in two villages in Farah province over several hours Monday and Tuesday, a joint statement said. It said U.S. forces responded to a call for help from Afghan forces, and that militants attacked the troops from several locations around the villages.
It said troops called for airstrikes on the militant positions.
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“The investigation suggests that villagers had taken refuge in a number of houses in each village. Reports also indicate that Taliban fighters deliberately forced villagers into houses from which they then attacked ANSF (Afghan security forces) and Coalition forces,” a statement from the U.S. coalition said.
quote:OK....lets look at the facts.
quote:We are in a "war zone".
quote:I am a pilot in charge of an area in an effort to protect my fellow troops and civilians.
quote:There is a curfew.
quote:I witness a large group of people gathering in the street.
quote:The same street known for previous mortor attacks and sniper fire on both civilains and military personel.
quote:They are carrying what appears to be weapons (and in all likelihood they WERE there, just picked up before officals surveyed the scene).
quote:What do I do?.....hmmmmm....let me think.....Oh yeah, I contact my superiors and request permission to send them to Allah, which is exactly what he did.
quote:Do you actually think these news reporters were there that night for a private interveiw on Iraqi basketweaving skills? No they were told something was up and were invited to join the insurgents as they planned and performed whatever dastardly duty they had concieved. They were not there by chance either. They knew they were taking their lives in their own hands.
quote:They lost. The US military is a well equipped machine capable of striking an enemy in pitch blackness. We own the night sky around there, and they know it.
quote:Why they constantly think they can pull off these stunts is beyond me.
quote:No, he is not a murderer. This pilot was doing his job.
quote:Registered: 07 June 2010
quote:I think we have gone too far to ever be considered a noble country again.
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Registered: 07 June 2010
nothing new hadenough...we are quite used to these NEW names being created by OLD forum members.
Are you too stupid to participate in intellectual conversations?
quote:Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:quote:I think we have gone too far to ever be considered a noble country again.
Obsessing over 2 dead journalists who were voluntarily in the company of people trying to kill the sons of American parents and the spouses and parents of American wives and children is hardly noble. You seem to think that prior wars were more noble while the present ones are more criminal because two journalists chose to place themselves amongst people trying to kill US soldiers were killed. That is hardly noble reasoning. If causing unintended civilian casualties is so horrendous to you in this time when the military is bending over backwards to limit collateral damage, past wars should send you into a deep funk. As an example, WW2 hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians died from US bombing. http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2stats.htm
quote:Originally posted by HadEnough:quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Registered: 07 June 2010
nothing new hadenough...we are quite used to these NEW names being created by OLD forum members.
It's not my place to tell anyone who to talk to or debate with on here. But WH obviously has an agenda and I for one wouldn't give him the satifaction of even reading his second post. (After I saw where he was coming from). There is no telling who or what he is, if he is a serious poster or just someone here trying to further his or his group's agenda. Just keep that in mind if you engage him in a dialog.
Are you too stupid to participate in intellectual conversations?
Is this the best you got?
Seems to me that you are the stupid one here. Nobody else agrees with you on this.
Is this the best you got?
quote:It's not my place to tell anyone who to talk to or debate with on here. But WH obviously has an agenda and I for one wouldn't give him the satifaction of even reading his second post. (After I saw where he was coming from). There is no telling who or what he is, if he is a serious poster or just someone here trying to further his or his group's agenda. Just keep that in mind if you engage him in a dialog.