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How dare you? You telling me that you feel sorry for these people? What about the people here that lost their life due to 911? People like you make me sick. Why dont you move over there and join them, you are not American are you? Roll Eyes

Let me remind you, watch this video in case you forgot why they get what they ask for. Children, our children were in these buildings too. Mad


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...COHc&feature=related
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Originally posted by WH:
What kind of animals do we have in our armed forces?


In my military experience, the animals I encountered which were in the US Armed Forces inventory were MWDs and horses pulling caissons carrying the remains of an American soldier who died in service to his country.

WH, what animals did you encounter in your military experience?
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Originally posted by HadEnough:
How dare you? You telling me that you feel sorry for these people? What about the people here that lost their life due to 911? People like you make me sick. Why dont you move over there and join them, you are not American are you? Roll Eyes

Let me remind you, watch this video in case you forgot why they get what they ask for. Children, our children were in these buildings too. Mad


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...COHc&feature=related


Thank you for posting this! The video was very fitting and put together great, my hats off to whoever did it. Darryl had it right when he said we should show those pictures every day.

Believe it or not, I miss those weeks and months after the attack. I know that sounds weird (and sad), but, as a Veteran, I witnessed so much American pride in those following months. There was a sadness in the air, but at the same time there was so much anger that united us together against anyone who stood against us ANYWHERE! We need that pride each and every day, now more than ever. The America we know and love is under attack now, much like it was then. We have to stand together to protect Her.....

Jeepin'
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Originally posted by budsfarm:
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Originally posted by WH:
What kind of animals do we have in our armed forces?


In my military experience, the animals I encountered which were in the US Armed Forces inventory were MWDs and horses pulling caissons carrying the remains of an American soldier who died in service to his country.

WH, what animals did you encounter in your military experience?
Iwas lucky in 73 they started the volunteer draft.I was registered as 1-H.But i was ready to go! I saw what war did to my dad.I see my dear brother who is a viet-nam vet slowly dying right now from agent orange.I greatly admire and respect our brave vets!
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WASHINGTON — Al Qaeda terrorists use blow torches, electric drills and meat cleavers to torture and force information out of their victims, according to a "how-to" book discovered in a terrorist safe house in Iraq.

The Defense Department recently released disturbing images and cartoons showing how to torture a captive found by American forces during a raid on a Al Qaeda safe house a few weeks ago. They also found photos of tortured Iraqi victims.

The book guides followers of Al Qaeda how to interrogate and torture captives.

The drawings and cartoons depict ways to use electric drills and irons, meat cleavers and other devices to force victims to talk or harm them.

Some of the drawings show how to drill hands, sever limbs, drag victims behind cars, remove eyes, put a blowtorch or iron to someone’s skin, suspend a person from a ceiling and electrocute them, break limbs and restrict breath and put someone’s head in a vice.

Items found at the safe house include electric drills, hammers, blow torches, meat cleavers, pliers and wire cutters, chains, screw drivers, whips and handcuffs.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275341,00.html

So who's the animal here? I guess the Apache pilot should have landed in the middle of a band of armed insurgents and asked them if they were really hostile and if there were any reporters and cameramen among them.
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Originally posted by junior samples:
Iwas lucky in 73 they started the volunteer draft.I was registered as 1-H.But i was ready to go! I saw what war did to my dad.I see my dear brother who is a viet-nam vet slowly dying right now from agent orange.I greatly admire and respect our brave vets!


Junior, words cannot express the compassion I feel for your brother. He has many “brothers” praying for him.
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So who's the animal here? I guess the Apache pilot should have landed in the middle of a band of armed insurgents and asked them if they were really hostile and if there were any reporters and cameramen among them.



There were no weapons. The pilot identified cameras as AK 47 rifles. He new different.

I feel no sympathy for terrorist...American or other.

The U.S. is in Irag illegally, killing unarmed people. Its amazing how you are tying Iraq in with 911...those pilots were from Saudi Arabia. But wait, our govt. is still friends with them...you are being led like sheep.

The sound bites you are using sounds good...just factually wrong.


Flatus the ancient...I will change one word in your link you posted...

""I think the worry that we have is clearly what we have seen over the past year: that whatever progress is made — and particularly in the last few months — often is overshadowed when the U.S. will launch a major attack that kills a lot of innocent civilian Iraqis,"


That is exactly what happened here.
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Originally posted by WH:
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So who's the animal here? I guess the Apache pilot should have landed in the middle of a band of armed insurgents and asked them if they were really hostile and if there were any reporters and cameramen among them.



There were no weapons. The pilot identified cameras as AK 47 rifles. He new different.

I feel no sympathy for terrorist...American or other.

The U.S. is in Irag illegally, killing unarmed people. Its amazing how you are tying Iraq in with 911...those pilots were from Saudi Arabia. But wait, our govt. is still friends with them...you are being led like sheep.

The sound bites you are using sounds good...just factually wrong.


Flatus the ancient...I will change one word in your link you posted...

""I think the worry that we have is clearly what we have seen over the past year: that whatever progress is made — and particularly in the last few months — often is overshadowed when the U.S. will launch a major attack that kills a lot of innocent civilian Iraqis,"


That is exactly what happened here.


launch a major attack that kills a lot of innocent ? Good!!!! did you forget about Desert Storm?


On August 2, 1990, Iraqi forces invaded Kuwait. Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had been making threats against Kuwait for some time, but his actual invasion caught most of the world by surprise. The magnitude of the invasion also was a surprise.

The Iraqis are innocent of nothing and guilty of everything. Mad
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Originally posted by HadEnough:
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Originally posted by WH:
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So who's the animal here? I guess the Apache pilot should have landed in the middle of a band of armed insurgents and asked them if they were really hostile and if there were any reporters and cameramen among them.



There were no weapons. The pilot identified cameras as AK 47 rifles. He new different.

I feel no sympathy for terrorist...American or other.

The U.S. is in Irag illegally, killing unarmed people. Its amazing how you are tying Iraq in with 911...those pilots were from Saudi Arabia. But wait, our govt. is still friends with them...you are being led like sheep.

The sound bites you are using sounds good...just factually wrong.


Flatus the ancient...I will change one word in your link you posted...

""I think the worry that we have is clearly what we have seen over the past year: that whatever progress is made — and particularly in the last few months — often is overshadowed when the U.S. will launch a major attack that kills a lot of innocent civilian Iraqis,"


That is exactly what happened here.


launch a major attack that kills a lot of innocent ? Good!!!! did you forget about Desert Storm?


On August 2, 1990, Iraqi forces invaded Kuwait. Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had been making threats against Kuwait for some time, but his actual invasion caught most of the world by surprise. The magnitude of the invasion also was a surprise.

The Iraqis are innocent of nothing and guilty of everything. Mad



You sound like the pilot. Believe it or not, not all Iraqis are bad. But killing unarmed civilians only makes terrorist even more determined, makes it easier for them to recruit new members. I imagine this video will become part of their recruiting program.

We need good soldiers and a govt. that will quit getting us in these unwinable wars.

I did my time in Viet Nam...I can tell you all about senseless, useless killing. I have seen innocent women and children killed because of blood thirsty troops...this pilot brought back some bad memories.

The US needs to quit trying to rule the world.
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Originally posted by WH:
.....I did my time in Viet Nam...I can tell you all about senseless, useless killing. I have seen innocent women and children killed because of blood thirsty troops...this pilot brought back some bad memories....


Really?

"They may deport him... (in News) by WH
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=12591622 He will be back in a few days. What in the hell is wrong with my country, my govt.? This is not the U.S. I have known for the first 40 years of my life....
TimesDaily.com Forums > Forums > News
03 June 2010 07:32 PM"

You were born in 1970. You were 5 years old when the war ended.
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Originally posted by budsfarm:
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Originally posted by WH:
.....I did my time in Viet Nam...I can tell you all about senseless, useless killing. I have seen innocent women and children killed because of blood thirsty troops...this pilot brought back some bad memories....


Really?

"They may deport him... (in News) by WH
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=12591622 He will be back in a few days. What in the hell is wrong with my country, my govt.? This is not the U.S. I have known for the first 40 years of my life....
TimesDaily.com Forums > Forums > News
03 June 2010 07:32 PM"

You were born in 1970. You were 5 years old when the war ended.
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Another fool that can't comprehend what they read.

The 'first' forty years *******! This country didn't just start changing yesterday. This all started about twenty something years ago. I remember when a soldier was valiant figure. The Korean war was the last of that. Its not necessarily a change in the soldier but a change in our govt. foreign policies.
Every once in a while the truth slips out...

"In a moment of truth, during a videoconference with U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, General McChrystal candidly admitted, "We've shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force," He further acknowledges, "To my knowledge, in the nine-plus months I've been here, not a single case where we have engaged in an escalation of force incident and hurt someone has it turned out that the vehicle had a suicide bomb or weapons in it and, in many cases, had families in it." "


General Stanley McChrystal...
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Originally posted by WH:
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Originally posted by budsfarm:
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Originally posted by WH:
.....I did my time in Viet Nam...I can tell you all about senseless, useless killing. I have seen innocent women and children killed because of blood thirsty troops...this pilot brought back some bad memories....


Really?

"They may deport him... (in News) by WH
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=12591622 He will be back in a few days. What in the hell is wrong with my country, my govt.? This is not the U.S. I have known for the first 40 years of my life....
TimesDaily.com Forums > Forums > News
03 June 2010 07:32 PM"

You were born in 1970. You were 5 years old when the war ended.
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Another fool that can't comprehend what they read.

The 'first' forty years *******! This country didn't just start changing yesterday. This all started about twenty something years ago. I remember when a soldier was valiant figure. The Korean war was the last of that. Its not necessarily a change in the soldier but a change in our govt. foreign policies.


Well then, which is it? Country changed 20 years ago?

So your first 40 years included VN, and you were okay with it on June 3, 2010.

Hang it up, WH. You are not a Nam vet. Quit lying
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Who were the Iraqis shooting at?

The group with the guns joined the journalists in a huddle when the helicopter's gunner cut loose. From all appearances they were all up to no good.

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"In a moment of truth, during a videoconference with U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, General McChrystal candidly admitted, "We've shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force," He further acknowledges, "To my knowledge, in the nine-plus months I've been here, not a single case where we have engaged in an escalation of force incident and hurt someone has it turned out that the vehicle had a suicide bomb or weapons in it and, in many cases, had families in it." "


The video with the Apache is in Iraq, McCrystal was referring to Afghanistan and is there by Obama's order. We also have other NATO troops there and they also call in air strikes on the wrong people. Do you blame the US pilot for something he can't see.
OK....lets look at the facts.
We are in a "war zone". I am a pilot in charge of an area in an effort to protect my fellow troops and civilians.
There is a curfew.
I witness a large group of people gathering in the street. The same street known for previous mortor attacks and sniper fire on both civilains and military personel.
They are carrying what appears to be weapons (and in all likelihood they WERE there, just picked up before officals surveyed the scene).
What do I do?.....hmmmmm....let me think.....Oh yeah, I contact my superiors and request permission to send them to Allah, which is exactly what he did.
Do you actually think these news reporters were there that night for a private interveiw on Iraqi basketweaving skills? No they were told something was up and were invited to join the insurgents as they planned and performed whatever dastardly duty they had concieved. They were not there by chance either. They knew they were taking their lives in their own hands.
They lost. The US military is a well equipped machine capable of striking an enemy in pitch blackness. We own the night sky around there, and they know it. Why they constantly think they can pull off these stunts is beyond me.
No, he is not a murderer. This pilot was doing his job.
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Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
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Who were the Iraqis shooting at?

The group with the guns joined the journalists in a huddle when the helicopter's gunner cut loose. From all appearances they were all up to no good.

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"In a moment of truth, during a videoconference with U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, General McChrystal candidly admitted, "We've shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force," He further acknowledges, "To my knowledge, in the nine-plus months I've been here, not a single case where we have engaged in an escalation of force incident and hurt someone has it turned out that the vehicle had a suicide bomb or weapons in it and, in many cases, had families in it." "


The video with the Apache is in Iraq, McCrystal was referring to Afghanistan and is there by Obama's order. We also have other NATO troops there and they also call in air strikes on the wrong people. Do you blame the US pilot for something he can't see.



My point is the U.S. is killing innocent people.

2,792 people were killed in the WTC attacks.

So far we have lost 4,469 U.S. soldiers in the Iraq, Afghanistan invasions. We have infuriated and contuniue to alienate the world against us.

We are really showing them aren,t we?
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Originally posted by budsfarm:
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Originally posted by WH:
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Originally posted by budsfarm:
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Originally posted by WH:
.....I did my time in Viet Nam...I can tell you all about senseless, useless killing. I have seen innocent women and children killed because of blood thirsty troops...this pilot brought back some bad memories....


Really?

"They may deport him... (in News) by WH
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=12591622 He will be back in a few days. What in the hell is wrong with my country, my govt.? This is not the U.S. I have known for the first 40 years of my life....
TimesDaily.com Forums > Forums > News
03 June 2010 07:32 PM"

You were born in 1970. You were 5 years old when the war ended.
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Another fool that can't comprehend what they read.

The 'first' forty years *******! This country didn't just start changing yesterday. This all started about twenty something years ago. I remember when a soldier was valiant figure. The Korean war was the last of that. Its not necessarily a change in the soldier but a change in our govt. foreign policies.


Well then, which is it? Country changed 20 years ago?

So your first 40 years included VN, and you were okay with it on June 3, 2010.

Hang it up, WH. You are not a Nam vet. Quit lying



You are one stupid fool. Get someone to read and explain it to you.
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My point is the U.S. is killing innocent people.


And people like the Taliban might be helping!

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updated 1:44 p.m. CT, Sat., May 9, 2009

KABUL - A joint U.S.-Afghan investigation confirmed that an unspecified number of civilians died in a southern Afghan battle, but the initial findings released Saturday appeared to blame Taliban militants who used locals as “human shields.”

Heavy fighting took place in two villages in Farah province over several hours Monday and Tuesday, a joint statement said. It said U.S. forces responded to a call for help from Afghan forces, and that militants attacked the troops from several locations around the villages.

It said troops called for airstrikes on the militant positions.
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“The investigation suggests that villagers had taken refuge in a number of houses in each village. Reports also indicate that Taliban fighters deliberately forced villagers into houses from which they then attacked ANSF (Afghan security forces) and Coalition forces,” a statement from the U.S. coalition said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30657714/

I guess that before a Predator looses a Hellfire missile upon a house that the plane land and the robot pilot knock on the door and ask if the missus is in, provided that the Taliban thugs are through flogging her!
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OK....lets look at the facts.


Sure, lets do.

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We are in a "war zone".


Wrong. The U.S. has never declared war. We are occupying invaders in Iraq.


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I am a pilot in charge of an area in an effort to protect my fellow troops and civilians.


Wrong. Civilians are acceptable casualties. U.S. policy.


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There is a curfew.



Wrong, a curfew was not in place at the time.


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I witness a large group of people gathering in the street.


There was eleven people casually walking down the street, not alarmed by the helicopter. If these people had been fighting do you not think they would have fled the helicopter?


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The same street known for previous mortor attacks and sniper fire on both civilains and military personel.


Ok, I'll give you that one.


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They are carrying what appears to be weapons (and in all likelihood they WERE there, just picked up before officals surveyed the scene).


Carrying weapons is common place in these countries. As a matter of fact it is perfectly legal here in the U.S.. Pointing and using them is where the trouble starts.


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What do I do?.....hmmmmm....let me think.....Oh yeah, I contact my superiors and request permission to send them to Allah, which is exactly what he did.



You assess the situation. Is there a threat? Remember you are in a country where both friend and foe look the same. From what I observed in the video there was no threat, no pointing or shooting as was reported.


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Do you actually think these news reporters were there that night for a private interveiw on Iraqi basketweaving skills? No they were told something was up and were invited to join the insurgents as they planned and performed whatever dastardly duty they had concieved. They were not there by chance either. They knew they were taking their lives in their own hands.



Quite an ignorant observation. In the link JJ posted...do you think the NPR reporter was there for the same reason?


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They lost. The US military is a well equipped machine capable of striking an enemy in pitch blackness. We own the night sky around there, and they know it.



They need to be sure it is the enemy before killing them.


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Why they constantly think they can pull off these stunts is beyond me.


Yeah, getting shot down in cold blood is a stunt. Tell that to the reporters children.


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No, he is not a murderer. This pilot was doing his job.




He may have been doing his job, but he is a murderer, and was enjoying it.


Currently the U.S. are invaders in two sovereign nations. What would you think if Mexico invaded us with assault weapons?


At one time I thought the U.S. would never bee attacked on our own soil (the mainland).

I think we have gone too far to ever be considered a noble country again.

The U.S. is not what it was 20 years ago.
WH, I really don't appreciate you calling forum member's on here a Fool. Mad
They are debating this stupid thread that you started.
One reason this Country might not be the Country is was 20 years ago is because of people like you and a bunch of illegal immigrants coming here and trying to change it, to make it like the sorry place they ran away from.
The more I see you post the sicker you make me.
You never did answer the question, are you even from here, born and raised here? You sure don't sound like it.
Why don't you go to a forum in the country your crying about and talk with them Fools. I'm sure you'd fit in well with them . Wink
And this forum would be so much nicer without the likes of you on it. Razzer
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I think we have gone too far to ever be considered a noble country again.


Obsessing over 2 dead journalists who were voluntarily in the company of people trying to kill the sons of American parents and the spouses and parents of American wives and children is hardly noble. You seem to think that prior wars were more noble while the present ones are more criminal because two journalists chose to place themselves amongst people trying to kill US soldiers were killed. That is hardly noble reasoning. If causing unintended civilian casualties is so horrendous to you in this time when the military is bending over backwards to limit collateral damage, past wars should send you into a deep funk. As an example, WW2 hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians died from US bombing. http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2stats.htm
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Registered: 07 June 2010



nothing new hadenough...we are quite used to these NEW names being created by OLD forum members.

Are you too stupid to participate in intellectual conversations?


Is this the best you got? Roll Eyes

Seems to me that you are the stupid one here. Nobody else agrees with you on this.
Is this the best you got?
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Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
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I think we have gone too far to ever be considered a noble country again.


Obsessing over 2 dead journalists who were voluntarily in the company of people trying to kill the sons of American parents and the spouses and parents of American wives and children is hardly noble. You seem to think that prior wars were more noble while the present ones are more criminal because two journalists chose to place themselves amongst people trying to kill US soldiers were killed. That is hardly noble reasoning. If causing unintended civilian casualties is so horrendous to you in this time when the military is bending over backwards to limit collateral damage, past wars should send you into a deep funk. As an example, WW2 hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians died from US bombing. http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2stats.htm


If Obama doesn't stop doing all that bowing and azz licking, you will be right. We won't be noble, WH.

As for the innocent dead, does human shields, hiding in Mosques and strapping bombs on children sound good to you?

Read Ancient's link above then tell me again how BAD the US is.
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Originally posted by HadEnough:
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Originally posted by WH:
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Registered: 07 June 2010



nothing new hadenough...we are quite used to these NEW names being created by OLD forum members.
It's not my place to tell anyone who to talk to or debate with on here. But WH obviously has an agenda and I for one wouldn't give him the satifaction of even reading his second post. (After I saw where he was coming from). There is no telling who or what he is, if he is a serious poster or just someone here trying to further his or his group's agenda. Just keep that in mind if you engage him in a dialog.
Are you too stupid to participate in intellectual conversations?


Is this the best you got? Roll Eyes

Seems to me that you are the stupid one here. Nobody else agrees with you on this.
Is this the best you got?
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It's not my place to tell anyone who to talk to or debate with on here. But WH obviously has an agenda and I for one wouldn't give him the satifaction of even reading his second post. (After I saw where he was coming from). There is no telling who or what he is, if he is a serious poster or just someone here trying to further his or his group's agenda. Just keep that in mind if you engage him in a dialog.

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