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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I have no idea, dogsoldier, but if I felt so strongly that our history books are lacking in some area that I vie for a month dedication, I would find out who makes those decisions and go through the proper channels to get it included. If my efforts failed and there were no other recourse, I'd get over it, not see if I could stir up controversy & get my fellow citizens pissed at each other.

JMHO


i thought it was interesting, in my 11 year old daughters history text book at hibbitt, the Trail of Tears was explained as:

"a time when most of the native americans decided to relocate far to the west. many died on the long journey."

that's it. talk about revision.
a guess the next chapter is about the plague in europe? "people got sick a lot, and some of them died."
and Crispus Atticus was "a guy that got shot"

ahhh.. condensed history - 1/3 less filling Smiler


Please take your daughter to Cherokee, NC, this summer and include the Native American/Cherokee production, "UNTO THESE HILLS". My 12 year old also loves The Museum of the Cherokee, worth the $9 admission.


it's not a problem,
i spent the next hour or so explaining the deal... yes, the indians moved, but they did so because the choice was move, or be murdered here and now.
etc etc...

my daughter wnt back to school and asked ' why aren't we being taught about the atrocities the american goverment committed during the trail of tears? "
i coached her a little on that question, and she didn't get much more than an ' uhmm.. errr... well.. uhmm that's what the books say" as an answer.
no worries. there are children that know the truth.
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I have no idea, dogsoldier, but if I felt so strongly that our history books are lacking in some area that I vie for a month dedication, I would find out who makes those decisions and go through the proper channels to get it included. If my efforts failed and there were no other recourse, I'd get over it, not see if I could stir up controversy & get my fellow citizens pissed at each other.

JMHO


i thought it was interesting, in my 11 year old daughters history text book at hibbitt, the Trail of Tears was explained as:

"a time when most of the native americans decided to relocate far to the west. many died on the long journey."

that's it. talk about revision.
a guess the next chapter is about the plague in europe? "people got sick a lot, and some of them died."
and Crispus Atticus was "a guy that got shot"

ahhh.. condensed history - 1/3 less filling Smiler


Please take your daughter to Cherokee, NC, this summer and include the Native American/Cherokee production, "UNTO THESE HILLS". My 12 year old also loves The Museum of the Cherokee, worth the $9 admission.


it's not a problem,
i spent the next hour or so explaining the deal... yes, the indians moved, but they did so because the choice was move, or be murdered here and now.
etc etc...

my daughter wnt back to school and asked ' why aren't we being taught about the atrocities the american goverment committed during the trail of tears? "
i coached her a little on that question, and she didn't get much more than an ' uhmm.. errr... well.. uhmm that's what the books say" as an answer.
no worries. there are children that know the truth.


Please take your daughter and drag her teacher along with you to Tom Hendrix's wall on County Road 8. He will give both an excellent history lesson on just what the Trail of Tears means. Tom's Wall
Mr. Hendrix is also a war veteran. He is a very interesting individual. If you don't think our government will take our propery, remember the Trail of Tears. The Cherokee Indians were productive and educated, yet forced to leave their land. It happend to them and it will happen to us if we let the current regime stay in office.
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Mr. Hendrix is also a war veteran. He is a very interesting individual. If you don't think our government will take our propery, remember the Trail of Tears. The Cherokee Indians were productive and educated, yet forced to leave their land. It happend to them and it will happen to us if we let the current regime stay in office.



I'm afraid what you say is true. This administration just goes to show how powerless we are to do anything about a corrupt govt.
I do not mean to hijack this thread, but I feel compelled to make a comment concerning the reading level of the history book mentioned. If the quoted material is indeed a sample of the entire book, the language used is definitely below the level of a fifth grader! Buy your child or family member a book which is harder and does not make the episodes seem like fairy tales. The Indians most definitely did not just wake up one day and DECIDE to move west! if you want to comment on this. please start another thread about the dumb-downing of our schools and our children.
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"a time when most of the native americans decided to relocate far to the west. many died on the long journey."



The 'decision' was made for them...at gunpoint....courtesy of the U.S. government. At the time of the forced removal of the Cherokee from the southeastern United States, most Cherokee had adopted the lifstyle of white settlers, including clothing, farming and cabins. It was a 'land grab' plain and simple.
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
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"a time when most of the native americans decided to relocate far to the west. many died on the long journey."



The 'decision' was made for them...at gunpoint....courtesy of the U.S. government. At the time of the forced removal of the Cherokee from the southeastern United States, most Cherokee had adopted the lifstyle of white settlers, including clothing, farming and cabins. It was a 'land grab' plain and simple.


That's right. And don't forget that some Cherokee (and women from other native tribes) married white men at the time, mainly for two reasons: it got them an exemption from the Trail of Tears and helped fulfill the men's needs for a wife out on the frontier (where there weren't many white women). I can just imagine being out there traveling west with a bunch of dudes and no women! Yikes. So, it's not hard to understand how some attractive Indian women might be "tempting" for the guys out there. And, of course, some men that weren't even on the frontier probably just preferred Indian women.

Doing genealogical research I have found two Cherokee women in my pedigree that I didn't know existed. One married one of my GGG-grandfathers prior to the Civil War and was widowed after he died in battle. There is a "legend" in the family supposedly from her about how the "Yankees" looted and burned portions of the town she was from in TN and then approached her property and threatened to burn her house down (along with her and her children in it) before another Union officer stepped in and said he would have no part in the killing of a woman. She also recounted how the freed black slaves were basically wondering around aimlessly, begging for food and telling various farmers they would work for food and boarding. It seems the Yanks had a nasty habit of freeing the slaves without considering the logistics and what followed their liberation. (Some people have posited they did this intentionally as a way to terrorize the south - after all, what can beat the fury of a freed slave? Indeed, this is what facilitated the formation of the Klan). However, not all slaves were angry at their masters, as some wanted to stay in their current situation after the war. I suppose it's sort of like the prison phenomenon where some men released from prison (after being in for many years) want to go back.

At any rate, my grand-father said she never spoke very highly of the north. She hated them in fact. And this was coming from a woman not considered white (they called them "Free persons of color") -- you know a woman living in the bad old racist south.

Another gggg-grandmother of mine was also Cherokee and has a story that's even more interesting concerning the Civil War and Sherman's march through Georgia, but that's too long to go into.

My point is, the Civil War, while largely about slavery, was not about a bunch of old racist white dues with nothing better to do than torture blacks and round up "Injuns." It was more complicated than that as the above anecdote illustrates. Lots of people in the south got along well with "non-whites" while some Yankees liked to kill non-white women and children for no good reason. And, of course, the north tolerated slavery in their own states for quite a while -- a fact often forgotten now. Lincoln himself was quite a racist (by today's standards) and once said freed blacks should not live equally amongst the white population. Another fact often forgotten and not discussed today.

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