Conflicting Passages for Bill Gray

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I look at it like this: The first verse you quoted is saying, "God did this." The second verse is saying, "Remember what I told you God did? Well, this is how he did it."

but are still conficting stories in the literal, INERRANT word of god, god certainly has the power to make the words non-conflicting so why didn't he?

on the other hand, it makes perfect sense when you realize all those words were written by fallible men for even more fallible men.

and you sheep still eat it up thousands of years later, amazing.

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Originally posted by Tomme73:

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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
and how about these, bill?

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:27)

"And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." (Genesis 2:21-22)

in the first account, God created a man and female simultaneously, in God's image. in the second account Adam gets created from the dust.

I look at it like this: The first verse you quoted is saying, "God did this." The second verse is saying, "Remember what I told you God did? Well, this is how he did it."

Hi Tomme,

You are so right. In Genesis 1, God tells us what He did. In Genesis 2, He tells us how He did it. No contradiction at all -- except in the minds of those who are determined, in spite of all reasonable explanations -- to close their spiritual eyes and see nothing.

Such people remind me of Sgt. Schultz in the old TV series, Hogan's Heroes, "I know nothing! I see nothing!" And, that is the closed spiritual minds of our atheist, secular, and vanilla-flavored non-believing Friends.

I suppose we will just have to continue to pray that they will one day open their eyes and see Jesus Christ standing at the door of their hearts -- waiting patiently for them to invite Him to come in and be their Best Friend (Rev 3:20).

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Such people remind me of Sgt. Schultz in the old TV series, Hogan's Heroes, "I know nothing! I see nothing!" And, that is the closed spiritual minds of our atheist, secular, and vanilla-flavored non-believing Friends.

I'd say that's more like you just believing the impossible. Talk about closed minded. Funny thing bill, why couldn't your god just make a few more humans while he was at it? Why just one out of dirt and another out of body parts? Oh, but that sounds reasonable eh? Here you have, in your imagination, this grand-capable of anything-god, but he couldn't manage to put more than two people on the earth? hmmmmmmmm Face it, all your twisting doesn't do away with the contradictions in your bible. Just like your silly "there was incest but it wasn't incest but now it's incest" spiel.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Such people remind me of Sgt. Schultz in the old TV series, Hogan's Heroes, "I know nothing! I see nothing!" And, that is the closed spiritual minds of our atheist, secular, and vanilla-flavored non-believing Friends.

I'd say that's more like you just believing the impossible. Talk about closed minded. Funny thing bill, why couldn't your god just make a few more humans while he was at it? Why just one out of dirt and another out of body parts? Oh, but that sounds reasonable eh?

Hi Jennifer,

Actually, I cannot say why God did it this way. However, when I get to heaven -- I will ask Him.

Unfortunately, unless you change before that last breath -- you will not be there to hear His answer.

See how much YOU miss by not being a Christian believer?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hi Jennifer,

Actually, I cannot say why God did it this way. However, when I get to heaven -- I will ask Him.

Unfortunately, unless you change before that last breath -- you will not be there to hear His answer.

See how much YOU miss by not being a Christian believer?

No, I don't miss anything and I have nothing to change in my life. But maybe you should take your own advice. Nice to see you admit you can't explain the contradictions in your bible.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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Such people remind me of Sgt. Schultz in the old TV series, Hogan's Heroes, "I know nothing! I see nothing!" And, that is the closed spiritual minds of our atheist, secular, and vanilla-flavored non-believing Friends.

I'd say that's more like you just believing the impossible. Talk about closed minded. Funny thing bill, why couldn't your god just make a few more humans while he was at it? Why just one out of dirt and another out of body parts? Oh, but that sounds reasonable eh? Here you have, in your imagination, this grand-capable of anything-god, but he couldn't manage to put more than two people on the earth? hmmmmmmmm Face it, all your twisting doesn't do away with the contradictions in your bible. Just like your silly "there was incest but it wasn't incest but now it's incest" spiel.

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jen,,,Its not a matter of numbers, if God can create Adam or Eve, He can
create a hundred at one time. The thing is we don't know, DNA would be no
problem, He could have thousands from the same DNA just to start the ball
or eggs rolling. Thousands of Adams with the same Dna but different than Eve
could provide millions.

I don't believe incest was ever in the picture.

Iv

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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Hi Jennifer,

Actually, I cannot say why God did it this way. However, when I get to heaven -- I will ask Him.

Unfortunately, unless you change before that last breath -- you will not be there to hear His answer. See how much YOU miss by not being a Christian believer?

No, I don't miss anything and I have nothing to change in my life. But maybe you should take your own advice. Nice to see you admit you can't explain the contradictions in your bible.

Hi Jennifer,

This time your atheist logic has you confused. God chose to make one man and one woman to begin the human race. You ask why He didn't create many more instead of just two. And, I tell you that we do not know.

But, how do you get a "contradiction in the Bible" out of that. I will say that is a stretch even for an atheist.

Or, do you just keep throwing it against the wall hoping something will stick?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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Such people remind me of Sgt. Schultz in the old TV series, Hogan's Heroes, "I know nothing! I see nothing!" And, that is the closed spiritual minds of our atheist, secular, and vanilla-flavored non-believing Friends.

I'd say that's more like you just believing the impossible. Talk about closed minded. Funny thing bill, why couldn't your god just make a few more humans while he was at it? Why just one out of dirt and another out of body parts? Oh, but that sounds reasonable eh? Here you have, in your imagination, this grand-capable of anything-god, but he couldn't manage to put more than two people on the earth? hmmmmmmmm Face it, all your twisting doesn't do away with the contradictions in your bible. Just like your silly "there was incest but it wasn't incest but now it's incest" spiel.

Obviously, God has no imagination. OTherwise, he would have come up with something less lame than killing his only son to "save" mankind. This is about the weakest idea that any sentient being ever made up.

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Tomme,
I would say that it is a copyist error. However, it does not, in any way, change the message of God's Word. The Bible, even with a few copyist errors -- is still the inerrant Written Word of God.
Bill

And how do you know which is error & which is fact?

In fiction, there are no errors. When you make up a story, you don't have to be concerned with facts.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Tomme,
The Bible, even with a few copyist errors -- is still the inerrant Written Word of God.
Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Uno,
If you are trying to say these are errors in the Bible -- show me the errors.
Bill

Wait just a minute! You said there were a few copyist errors, now you want someone to show you the errors?

And you still haven’t answered my question. How do you know which is error & which is fact?

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Tomme, The Bible, even with a few copyist errors -- is still the inerrant Written Word of God. Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Uno,
If you are trying to say these are errors in the Bible -- show me the errors.
Bill

Wait just a minute! You said there were a few copyist errors, now you want someone to show you the errors?

Hi Chick,

True, the Bible does have some copyist errors in it -- but, none that affect the spiritual message God has for all of us in His Written Word, none that affect His message of salvation for all who, by grace, through faith -- will believe.

My challenge to Uno is different. He went to an atheist web site and copied a list of Scripture verses and wants to imply that they are in error or are contradictions.

I have asked Uno to show me the errors in the list he copied and posted.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
And you still haven’t answered my question. How do you know which is error & which is fact?

Hi Chick,

Sorry, I do not understand your question. Will you please elaborate a wee bit more. Thank you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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True, the Bible does have some copyist errors in it

ok, then you can no longe say they bible is "inerrant." by your logic, all of genesis can be one big "copyist error" and the message is still clear.

so tell me exactly how you determine if a verse or chapter is a "copyist error"?

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Chick,
Sorry, I do not understand your question. Will you please elaborate a wee bit more. Thank you.
Bill

Bill, it's really not that hard to understand. Here's what you said.
"I would say that it is a copyist error. However, it does not, in any way, change the message of God's Word. The Bible, even with a few copyist errors -- is still the inerrant Written Word of God".

Here's my question. "And how do you know which is error & which is fact"?

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Bill, it's really not that hard to understand. Here's what you said.
"I would say that it is a copyist error. However, it does not, in any way, change the message of God's Word. The Bible, even with a few copyist errors -- is still the inerrant Written Word of God".

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Here's my question. "And how do you know which is error & which is fact"?

It's simple. First he ignores all the contradictions-and the "facts" are the parts he agrees with, errors are the ones he doesn't agree with. Add to that mix the fact he thinks he's the only one that has it right and there you have the gospel according to bill.

Okay, Ladies,

Let's get this back on track. Uno posted, from some atheist web site -- a long list of Scripture verses -- trying to imply that there are contradictions and/or errors.

I took the first group of verses relating to the genealogy of Jesus Christ and showed clearly why there is no contradiction nor error -- merely, two men from different cultures writing the genealogy according to their cultural dictates.

Then, I asked Uno to show me any errors or contradictions he can find in the rest of the Scripture verses.

THIS HE HAS NOT DONE -- for he cannot.

So, referring to this aspect of the discussion; do you have any questions?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Okay, Ladies,

Let's get this back on track. Uno posted, from some atheist web site -- a long list of Scripture verses -- trying to imply that there are contradictions and/or errors.

I took the first group of verses relating to the genealogy of Jesus Christ and showed clearly why there is no contradiction nor error -- merely, two men from different cultures writing the genealogy according to their cultural dictates.

Then, I asked Uno to show me any errors or contradictions he can find in the rest of the Scripture verses.

THIS HE HAS NOT DONE -- for he cannot.

So, referring to this aspect of the discussion; do you have any questions?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Chickenpoop gutless coward.

there were dozens and dozens of conflicts listed to you by chapter and verse.

put up or shut up, billy.

either you stipulate that the bible contains error, or you copy, pate, quote and defend everything he posted.

line by line, otherwise you are admitting the bible is errent.

got the guts to put your money where your mouth is?

or are you just going to blow it off with a capped bolded one liner and a picture of snoopy?

Hi Nagel,

Anyone can huff and puff and pass gas; but, if you are serious about believing there are errors or contradictions in the Scripture verses/passages Uno posted -- show us.

Keep in mind that we are speaking of what Uno posted.

So, are you all huff, puff, and gas passing -- as usual -- or can you produce?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Nagel,

Anyone can huff and puff and pass gas; but, if you are serious about believing there are errors or contradictions in the Scripture verses/passages Uno posted -- show us.

Keep in mind that we are speaking of what Uno posted.

So, are you all huff, puff, and gas passing -- as usual -- or can you produce?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Now Bill,
which Bible was you useing again?

Keep Marching,
Skippy

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Originally posted by skippy delepepper:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Nagel,

Anyone can huff and puff and pass gas; but, if you are serious about believing there are errors or contradictions in the Scripture verses/passages Uno posted -- show us.

Keep in mind that we are speaking of what Uno posted.

So, are you all huff, puff, and gas passing -- as usual -- or can you produce?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill

Now Bill, which Bible was you useing (SIC) again?

Hi Dwight/Skippy,

I use the NASB, NKJV, KJV, sometimes the NIV. If you will visit the Blue Letter Bible web site at: http://www.blueletterbible.org you can find about 15 translations with good commentaries, Strong's Concordance, and other Scripture study material.

What you will NOT find there is the Book of Mormon -- for they do not put CULT material on this web site.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Nagel,

Anyone can huff and puff and pass gas; but, if you are serious about believing there are errors or contradictions in the Scripture verses/passages Uno posted -- show us.

Keep in mind that we are speaking of what Uno posted.

So, are you all huff, puff, and gas passing -- as usual -- or can you produce?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

can i produce?
i'm not the one who issued the challenge.
i'm not the one dodgeing the challenge.

you claim the bible is inerrent. you claim there is no conflict.
Unob posted a list of places where the bible conflicts.
you scamper away from the challenge by trying to pass the challenge off onto me, when all i did was call you gutless for not trying to defend your bible.

so again, i call you gutless, and a coward for trying to include me in the situation.

i haven't challenged you in any of this, i've only pointed out your failure to answer.

i don't have to produce anything.. i'm still just waiting to see if you have the integrity to defend your own words. which i doubt. you haven't shown any integrity in all the time i've been here, i see no reason why you would start now.

either the bible has conflicting statements, or it does not. Unob has listed many instances where the bible seems to conflict with itself.
now it's your turn to show us that the things he said conflict acctually don't conflict.

don't try and bring me into this, i'm just an observer, and all i observe so far is that unob is standing behind his beliefs while you are running scared, refuseing to show the honor and conviction demonstrated by an lowly godless athiest.

So, are you all bombast and bloat, and a cowering little girl -- as usual -- or do you have the guts to defend your bible and your own words?

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Originally posted by thenagel:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Nagel,

Anyone can huff and puff and pass gas; but, if you are serious about believing there are errors or contradictions in the Scripture verses/passages Uno posted -- show us.

Keep in mind that we are speaking of what Uno posted.

So, are you all huff, puff, and gas passing -- as usual -- or can you produce?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

can i produce? i'm not the one who issued the challenge. i'm not the one dodgeing (sic) the challenge.

you claim the bible is inerrent (sic). you claim there is no conflict. Unob posted a list of places where the bible conflicts.

Hi Nagel,

And, that, my Friend, is my challenge to YOU. You say, "Unob posted a list of places where the bible conflicts."

Since you ARE saying those Scripture verses or passages contain conflicts -- SHOW ME!

Show me EVEN ONE error or contradiction in those verses which Uno posted.

If you cannot, then you are just huffing, puffing, and passing gas.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

By the way, Nagel,

I have copied and saved Uno's original list of Scripture verses -- so, it will do no good for the two of you to attempt to change his list now.

Just to let you know -- Honesty IS the best policy!!!

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by thenagel:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Nagel,

Anyone can huff and puff and pass gas; but, if you are serious about believing there are errors or contradictions in the Scripture verses/passages Uno posted -- show us.

Keep in mind that we are speaking of what Uno posted.

So, are you all huff, puff, and gas passing -- as usual -- or can you produce?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

can i produce? i'm not the one who issued the challenge. i'm not the one dodgeing (sic) the challenge.

you claim the bible is inerrent (sic). you claim there is no conflict. Unob posted a list of places where the bible conflicts.

Hi Nagel,

And, that, my Friend, is my challenge to YOU. You say, "Unob posted a list of places where the bible conflicts."

Since you ARE saying those Scripture verses or passages contain conflicts -- SHOW ME!

Show me EVEN ONE error or contradiction in those verses which Uno posted.

If you cannot, then you are just huffing, puffing, and passing gas.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

fine.
while this is yet one more cowardly trick, trying to pass the buck to someone else, typical bill gray doing everything he can to get out of answering a challenge by trying to pass it off to someone else, this time i will play.

here are a few verses that conflict with other verses in the bible, with the nature of the conflict listed to help you identify the problem.
the book, chapter and verse are listed after the listed conflict.

they are usually listed in pairs, such as..

The announcement of the special birth came before conception. Lk.1:26-31.
The announcement of the special birth came after conception. Mt.1:18-21.

( either the announcement came before or after the birth. it can't be both ways - conflict)

with one verse conflicting with the other. but sometimes, there is more than one conflicting verse to each issue. i'm not seperating them all by issue, you can do that yourself.

so there ya go... lots of seeming conflicts all laid out for you. here's your list of conflicting bible verses as supplied by Unob, i look forward to see your proof that none of them conflict. it should be interesting.



Jesus' parents were told of their son's future greatness. Mt.1:18-21; Lk.1:28-35.
Jesus' parents knew nothing of their son's potential. Lk.2:48-50.
The angel told Joseph. Mt.1:20.
The angel told Mary. Lk.1:28.
There were 28 generations from David to Jesus. Mt.1:17.
There were 43 generations from David to Jesus. Lk.3:23-31.
Jacob was Joseph's father. Mt.1:16.
Heli was Joseph's father. Lk.3:23.
He was to be called Emmanuel. Mt.1:23.
He was called Jesus. Mt.1:25.
Joseph, Mary, and Jesus flee to Egypt while Herod slaughters all males under 2 years old. Mt.2:13-16. (Note: Jesus' cousin, John, was also under 2 and survived without having to flee.)
Joseph, Mary, and Jesus did not flee to Egypt, but remained for temple rituals. No slaughter of infants is mentioned! Lk.2:21-39.
Jesus was tempted during the 40 days in the wilderness. Mk.1:13.
Jesus was tempted after the 40 days in the wilderness. Mt.4:2,3.
The devil first took Jesus to the pinnacle, then to the mountain top. Mt.4:5-8.
The devil first took Jesus to the mountain top, then to the pinnacle. Lk.4:5-9.
Satan tempted Jesus. Mt.4:1-10; Mk.1:13; Lk.4:1,2.
Satan had no interest in Jesus. Jn.14:30.
The baptism of Jesus was with the "Holy Ghost". Mk.1:8; Jn.1:33.
Fire was also added to the baptism. Mt.3:11; Lu.3:16.
John knew of Jesus before he baptized him. Mt.3:11-13; Jn.1:28,29.
John knew nothing of Jesus at all. Mt.11:1-3.
Jesus begins his ministry after John's arrest. Mk.1:13,14.
Jesus begins his ministry before John's arrest. Jn.3:22-24.
It is recorded that Jesus saw the spirit descending. Mt.3:16; Mk.1:10.
It is recorded that John saw the spirit descending. Jn.1:32.
The heavenly voice addressed the gathering. Mt.3:17.
The heavenly voice addressed Jesus. Mk.1:11; Lk.3:22.
Immediately after the baptism, Jesus spent 40 days in the wilderness. Mt.4:1,2; Mk.1:12,13.
Three days after the baptism, Jesus was at the wedding in Cana. Jn.2:1.
Jesus went to Beth****e and the Mt. of Olives, then left for Bethany. Mt.21:1,17.
Jesus went to Beth****e and Bethany at the Mt. of Olives. Mk.11:1; Lk.19:29.
Jesus went to Bethany and then Jerusalem. Jn.12:1,12.
Jesus and his disciples taught in Capernaum. Mk.1:20,21.
Only Jesus taught in Capernaum. Lk.4:30,31.
Peter was chosen, with Andrew, by the Sea of Galilee. Mt.4:18-20; Mk.1:16-18.
Peter was chosen, with James and John, by the lake of Gennesaret. Lk.5:2-11.
Andrew chose Jesus and then got Peter to join. Jn.1:35-42.
Peter was to preach to the Jews. Mt.10:2,5,6; Gal.2:7.
Peter was to preach to the Gentiles. Acts 15:7.
Jesus cured Simon Peter's mother-in-law after he cleansed the leper. Mt.8:1-15.
Jesus cured Simon Peter's mother-in-law before he cleansed the leper. Mk.1:30-42; Lk.4:38 to 5:13.
Peter's mother-in-law was healed before Peter was called to be a disciple. Lu.4:38,39; 5:10.
Peter's mother-in-law was healed after Peter was called to be a disciple. Mt.4:18,19; 8:14,15; Mk.1:16,17,30,31.
James and John were with Jesus when he healed Simon Peter's mother-in-law. Mk.1:29-31.
James and John were not with Jesus when he healed Simon Peter's mother-in-law. Lu.4:38,39; 5:10,11.
Lebbaeus (Thaddaeus) was the name of an apostle - but no Judas, brother of James. Mt. 10:3.
Judas, the brother of James, was an apostle, but no Thaddaeus. Lk.6:16; Acts 1:13.
The centurion's servant was healed in between the cleansing of the leper and the healing of Peter's mother-in-law. Mt.8:2-15.
The centurion's servant was healed after the cleansing of the leper and the healing of Peter's mother-in-law. Lu.4:38,39; 5:12,13; 7:1-10.
The people were not impressed with the feeding of the multitude. Mk.6:52.
The people were very impressed with the feeding of the multitude. Jn.6:14.
After the feeding of the multitude, Jesus went to Gennesaret. Mk.6:53.
After the feeding of the multitude, Jesus went to Capernaum. Jn.6:14-17.
A demon cries out that Jesus is the Holy One of God. Mk.1:23,24.
Everyone who confesses that Jesus came in the flesh is of God. 1 Jn.4:2.
Jesus cursed the fig tree so that it would not bear fruit. Mt.21:19; Mk.11:14.
It wasn't time for the fig tree to bear fruit. Mk.11:13.
The fig tree withers immediately, and the disciples are amazed. Mt.21:19,20.
The disciples first notice the withered tree the next day. Mk.11:20,21.
Jesus is the mediator of the "Father". 1 Tim.2:5; 1 Jn.2:1.
Jesus sits on "his" right hand. Mk. 16:19.
Jesus and the "Father" are one in the same. Jn.10:30.
There is one "God". 1 Tim.2:5; Jms.2:19.
There are three. 1 Jn.5:7.
Jesus said to honor your father and mother. Mt.15:4; Mt.19:19; Mk.7:10; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20.
Jesus said that he came to set people against their parents. Mt.10:35-37; Lk.12:51-53; Lk.14:26.
Jesus said to call no man father. Mt.23:9.
Jesus/God said, "You fool…". Lk.12:20; Mt.23:17.
Paul calls people fools. 1 Cor.15:36.
Call someone a fool and you go to hell. Mt.5:22.
Anger by itself is a sin. Mt.5:22.
But not necessarily. Eph.4:26.
Ask and it shall be given. Seek and you will find. Knock and it will be opened to you. Mt.7:7,8; Lk.11:9,10.
Ask and you shall be refused. Seek and you won't find. Knock and you will be refused entrance. Lk.13:24-27.
Do not judge. Mt.7:1,2.
Unless it is necessary, of course. 1 Jn.4:1-3.
Jesus is thankful that some things are hidden. Mt.11:25; Mk.4:11,12.
Jesus said that all things should be made known. Mk.4:22.
Jesus said that no sign would be given. Mk.8:12.
Jesus said that no sign would be given except for that of Jonas. Mt.12:39; Lk.11:29.
Jesus showed many signs. Jn.20:30; Acts 2:22.
Jesus stated that the law was until heaven and earth ended. Mt. 5:17-19.
Jesus stated that the law was only until the time of John. Lk.16:16.
The "Sermon on the Mount" took place on the mountain. Mt.5:1.
The "Sermon on the Mount" took place on a plain. Lu.6:17.
The "Lord's Prayer" was taught to many during the "Sermon on the Mount". Mt.6:9.
The "Lord's Prayer" was taught only to the disciples at another time. Lu.11:1.
Jesus had his own house. Mk.2:15.
Jesus did not have his own house. Lu.9:58.
Good works should be seen. Mt.5:16.
Good works should not be seen. Mt.6:1-4.
Jesus said that Salvation was only for the Jews. Mt.15:24; Mt.10:5,6; Jn.4:22; Rom.11:26,27.
Paul said that salvation was also for the Gentiles. Acts 13:47,48.
Repentance is necessary. Acts 3:19; Lu.3:3.
Repentance is not necessary. Rom.11:29.
Non-believers obtain mercy. Rom.11:32.
Only believers obtain mercy. Jn.3:36; Rom.14:23.
Only baptized believers obtain mercy. Mk.16:16.
Mercy cannot be predetermined. Rom.9:18.
All who call on the "Lord" will be saved. Rom.10:13; Acts 2:21.
Only those predestined will be saved. Acts 13:48; Eph.1:4,5; 2 Thes.2:13; Acts 2:47.
Jesus said he would not cast aside any that come to him. Jn.6:37.
Jesus said that many that come to him will be cast aside. Mt.7:21-23.
Salvation comes by faith and not works. Eph.2:8,9; Rom.11:6; Gal.2:16; Rom.3:28.
Salvation comes by faith and works. Jms.2:14,17,20.
The righteous have eternal life. Mt.25:46.
The righteous are barely saved. 1 Pet.4:18.
There are no righteous. Rom.3:10.
Believe and be baptized to be saved. Mk.16:16.
Be baptized by water and the spirit to be saved. Jn.3:5.
Endure to the end to be saved. Mt.24:13.
Call on the name of the "Lord" to be saved. Acts 2:21; Rom.10:13.
Believe in Jesus to be saved. Acts 16:31.
Believe, then all your household will be saved. Acts 16:31.
Hope and you will be saved. Rom.8:24.
Believe in the resurrection to be saved. Rom.10:9.
By grace you are saved. Eph.2:5
By grace and faith you are saved. Eph.2:8.
Have the love of truth to be saved. 2 Thes.2:10.
Mercy saves. Titus 3:5.
Backsliders are condemned. 2 Pet.2:20.
Backsliders are saved regardless. Jn.10:27-29.
Forgive seventy times seven. Mt.18:22.
Forgiveness is not possible for renewed sin. Heb.6:4-6.
Divorce, except for unfaithfulness, is wrong. Mt.5:32.
Divorce for any reason is wrong. Mk.10:11,12.
Jesus approved of destroying enemies. Lk.19:27.
Jesus said to love your enemies. Mt.5:44.
God resides in heaven. Mt.5:45; Mt.6:9; Mt.7:21.
Angels reside in heaven. Mk.13:32.
Jesus is with God in heaven. Acts 7:55,56
Believers go to heaven. 1 Pet.1:3,4.
Heaven will pass away. Mt.24:35; Mk.13:31; Lk.21:33.
Pray that you don't enter temptation. Mt.26:41.
Temptation is a joy. Jms.1:2.
God leads you into temptation. Mt.6:13.
God tempts no one. Jms.1:13.
Take no thought for tomorrow. God will take care of you. Mt.6:25-34; Lk.12:22-31.
A man who does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel. 1 Tim.5:8.
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Acts 2:21; Rom.10:13.
Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Mt.7:21.
Only those whom the Lord chooses will be saved. Acts 2:39.
We are justified by works and not by faith. Mt.7:21; Rom.2:6,13; Jms.2:24.
We are justified by faith and not by works. Jn.3:16; Rom.3:27; Eph.2:8,9.; Gal.2:16.
Do not take sandals (shoes) or staves. Mt.10:10.
Take only sandals (shoes) and staves. Mk.6:8,9.
Jesus said that in him there was peace. Jn.16:33.
Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace. Mt.10:34; Lk.12:51.
Jesus said that John the Baptist was a prophet and Elijah. Mt.11:9; Mt.17:12,13.
John said that he was not a prophet nor was he Elijah. Jn.1:21.
Jesus said that he was meek and lowly. Mt.11:29.
Jesus makes whips and drives the moneychangers out from the temple. Mt. 21:12; Mk.11:15,16; Jn.2:15.
Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees". Lk.12:1.
Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees". Mt.16:6,11.
Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod". Mk.8:15.
Jesus founds his church on Peter. Mt.16:18.
Jesus calls Peter "Satan" and a hindrance. Mt.16:23.
The mother of James and John asks Jesus to favor her sons. Mt.20:20,21.
They ask for themselves. Mk.10:35-37.
Jesus responds that this favor is not his to give. Mt.20:23; Mk.10:40.
Jesus said that all authority is given to him. Mt.28:18; Jn.3:35.
Jesus heals two unnamed blind men. Mt.20:29,30.
Jesus heals one named blind man. Mk.10:46-52.
Jesus healed all that were sick. Mt.8:16; Lk.4:40.
Jesus healed many that were sick - but not all. Mk.1:34.
The council asks Jesus if he is the Son of God. Lk.22:70. The high priest asks Jesus if he is the Christ, the Son of God. Mt.26:63.
The high priest asks Jesus if he is the Christ the Son of the Blessed. Mk.14:61.
The high priest asks Jesus about his disciples and his doctrine. Jn.18:19.
Jesus answers to the effect of “You said it, not me”. Mt.26:64; Lk.22:70.
Jesus answers definitely, “I am”. Mk.14:62.
At the Mount of Olives, Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times. Mt.26:30-34.
At the Passover meal, Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times. Lu.22:13,14,34.
Peter was to deny Jesus before the **** crowed. Mt.26:34; Lk.22:34; Jn.13:38.
Peter was to deny Jesus before the **** crowed twice. Mk.14:30.
The **** crowed once. Mt.26:74.
The **** crowed twice. Mk.14:72.
Peter makes his first denial to a maid and some others. Mt.26:69,70.
It was only to the maid. Mk.14:66-68; Lk.22:56,57; Jn.18:17.
Peter’s second denial was to another maid. Mt.26:71,72.
It was to the same maid. Mk.14:69,70.
It was to a man and not a maid. Lk.22:58.
It was to more than one person. Jn.18:25.
Peter’s third denial was to several bystanders. Mt.26:73,74; Mk.14:69,70.
It was to one person. Lk.22:59,60.
It was to a servant. Jn.18:26,27.
The chief priests bought the field. Mt.27:6,7.
Judas bought the field. Acts 1:16-19.
Judas threw down the money and left. Mt.27:5.
Judas used the coins to buy the field. Acts 1:18.
Judas hanged himself. Mt.27:5.
Judas fell headlong and burst his head open. Acts 1:18.
Jesus did not answer any of the charges. Mt.27:12-14; Lk.23:9.
Jesus answered some of the charges. Mk.14:61,62.
Jesus answered all of the charges. Jn.18:33-37.
Jesus said that eternal life would be given to all that were given to him. Jn.11:27-29; Jn.17:12.
Jesus released Judas in order to keep this promise. Jn.18:5-9.
The chief priests and elders persuade the people. Mt.27:20.
Only the chief priests persuade the people. Mk.15:11.
The chief priests and the people persuade themselves. Lk.23:13-23.
Jesus is given a scarlet robe. Mt.27:28.
Jesus is given a purple robe. Mk.15:17; Jn.19:2.
Jesus is given a gorgeous robe. Lk.23:11.
The sign says, “This is Jesus the King of the Jews”. Mt.27:37.
The sign says, “The King of the Jews”. Mk.15:26.
In three languages, the sign says, “This is the King of the Jews”. Lk.23:38.
In the same three languages, the sign says, “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews”. Jn.19:19,20.
Jesus asks God, The Father, why he has forsaken him. Mt.27:46.
Jesus said that he and The Father were one in the same. Jn.10:30; Jn.17:11,21,22.
The centurion says, “Truly this was the son of God”. Mt.27:54.
The centurion says, “Truly this man was the son of God”. Mk.15:39.
The centurion says, “Certainly, this was a righteous man”. Lk.23:47.
There was no centurion. Jn.19:31-37.
Jesus was crucified at the third hour. Mk.15:25.
Jesus was still before Pilate at the sixth hour. Jn.19:13,14.
The women looked on from “afar”. Mt.27:55; Mk.15:40; Lk.23:49.
The women were very close. Jn.19:25.
The last recorded words of Jesus were:
Version 1: “Eli, Eli …My God, My God why have you forsaken me” Mt.27:46.
Version 2: “Eloi, Eloi…My God, My God why have you forsaken me” Mk.15:34.
Version 3: “Father, into your hands I commend my spirit”. Lk.23:46.
Version 4: “It is finished”. Jn.19:30.
A guard was placed at the tomb the day after the burial. Mt.27:65,66.
No guard is mentioned. Mk.15:44-47; Lk.23:52-56; Jn.19:38-42.
Only those keeping the words of Jesus will never see death. Jn.8:51.
Jesus’ disciples will be killed. Mt.24:3-9.
All men die once. Heb.9:27.
Upon their arrival, the stone was still in place. Mt.28:1 2.
Upon their arrival, the stone had been removed. Mk.16:4; Lk.24:2; Jn.20:1.
There was an earthquake. Mt.28:2.
There was no earthquake. Mk.16:5; Lk.24:2-4; Jn.20:12.
The visitors ran to tell the disciples. Mt.28:8.
The visitors told the eleven and all the rest. Lk.24:9.
The visitors said nothing to anyone. Mk.16:8.
Jesus first resurrection appearance was right at the tomb. Jn.20:12-14.
Jesus first resurrection appearance was fairly near the tomb. Mt.28:8,9.
Jesus first resurrection appearance was on the road to Emmaus. Lk.24:13-16.
One doubted. Jn.20:24.
Some doubted. Mt.28:17.
All doubted. Mk.16:11; Lk.24:11,14.
Jesus said that his blood was shed for many. Mk.14:24.
Jesus said his blood was shed for his disciples. Lu.22:20.
Simon of Cyrene was forced to bear the cross of Jesus. Mt.27:32; Mk.15:21; Lu.23:26.
Jesus bore his own cross. Jn.19:16,17.
Jesus was offered vinegar and gall to drink. Mt.27:34.
Jesus was offered vinegar to drink. Jn.19:29,30.
Jesus was offered wine and myrrh to drink. Mk.15:23.
Jesus refused the drink offered him. Mk.15:23.
Jesus tasted the drink offered and then refused. Mt.27:34.
Jesus accepted the drink offered him. Jn.19:30.
Both “thieves” mocked Jesus on the cross. Mt. 27:44; Mk.15:32.
One “thief” sided with Jesus on the cross. Lu.23:39-41.
Joseph of Arimathaea boldly asked for the body of Jesus. Mk.15:43.
Joseph of Arimathaea secretly asked for the body of Jesus. Jn.19:38.
Jesus was laid in a nearby tomb. Mk.15:46; Lu.23:53; Jn.19:41.
Jesus was laid in Joseph’s new tomb. Mt.27:59,60.
A great stone was rolled in front of the tomb. Mt.27:60; Mk.15:46.
There was nothing in front of the tomb. Lu.23:55; Jn.19:41.
Nicodemus prepared the body with spices. Jn.19:39,40.
Failing to notice this, the women bought spices to prepare the body later. Mk. 16:1; Lu.23:55,56.
The body was anointed. Jn.19:39,40.
The body was not anointed. Mk.15:46 to 16:1; Lk.23:55 to 24:1.
The women bought materials before the sabbath. Lu.23:56.
The women bought materials after the sabbath. Mk.16:1.
Jesus was first seen by Cephas, then the twelve. 1 Cor.15:5.
Jesus was first seen by the two Marys. Mt.28:1,8,9.
Jesus was first seen by Mary Magdalene. Mk.16:9; Jn.20:1,14,15.
Jesus was first seen by Cleopas and others. Lu.24:17,18.
Jesus was first seen by the disciples. Acts 10:40,41.
The two Marys went to the tomb. Mt.28:1.
The two Marys and Salome went to the tomb. Mk.16:1.
Several women went to the tomb. Lu.24:10.
Only Mary Magdalene went to the tomb. Jn.20:1.
It was dawn when Mary went to the tomb. Mt.28:1; Mk.16:2.
It was dark when Mary went to the tomb. Jn.20:1.
An angel sat on the stone at the door of the tomb. Mt.28:2.
A man was sitting inside the tomb. Mk.16:5.
Two men were standing inside the tomb. Lk.24:3,4.
Two angels were sitting inside the tomb. Jn.20:12.
Peter did not go into the tomb but stooped and looked inside. Lk.24:12.
Peter did go into the tomb, and another disciple stooped and looked inside. Jn.20:3-6.
After the resurrection, the disciples held Jesus by the feet. Mt.28:9.
After the resurrection, Jesus told Thomas to touch his side. John 20:27.
After the resurrection, Jesus said that he was not to be touched. Jn.20:17.
Mary first saw Jesus at the tomb. Jn.20:11-15.
Mary first saw Jesus on her way home. Mt.28:8-10.
The women entered the tomb. Mk.16:5; Lk.24:3.
The women stayed outside the tomb. Jn.20:11.
The disciples were frightened when they saw Jesus. Lk.24:36,37.
The disciples were glad when they first saw Jesus. Jn.20:20.
Twelve disciples saw Jesus. 1 Cor.15:5.
Eleven disciples saw Jesus. Thomas was not there. Mt.28:16,17; Jn.20:19-25.
The disciples doubted that Jesus had risen from the dead. Mt.28:17.
The Pharisees and chief priests believed it possible. Mt.27:62-66.
Jesus ascended on the third day after the resurrection. Lk.24:21,50,51.
Jesus ascended the same day as the crucifixion. Lk.23:42 43.
Jesus ascended forty days after the resurrection. Acts 1:3,9.
At the time of the ascension, there were about 120 brethren. Acts 1:15.
At the time of the ascension, there were about 500 brethren. 1 Cor.15:6.
The moneychangers incident occurred at the end of Jesus’ career. Mt.21:11,12.
The moneychangers incident occurred at the beginning of Jesus’ career. Jn.2:11-15.
Zacharias was the son of Jehoida, the priest. 2 Chr.24:20.
Jesus said that Zacharias was the son of Barachias. Mt.23:35. (Note: The name Barachias or Barachiah does not appear in the OT.)
The coming of the kingdom will be accompanied by signs and miracles. Mt.24:29-33; Mk.13:24-29.
It will not be accompanied by signs and miracles since it occurs from within. Lk.17:20,21.
The kingdom was prepared from the beginning. Mt.25:34.
Jesus said that he was going to go and prepare the kingdom. Jn.14:2,3.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. Mk.3:29.
All sins are forgivable. Acts 13:39; Col.2:13; 1 Jn.1:9.
The ascension took place while the disciples were seated together at a table. Mk.16:14-19.
The ascension took place outdoors at Bethany. Lk.24:50,51.
The ascension took place outdoors at Mt. Olivet. Acts 1:9-12.
The holy spirit was with John from before he was born. Lk.1:15,41.
The holy spirit was with Elizabeth before John’s birth. Lk.1:41.
The holy spirit was with Zechariah. Lk.1:67.
The holy spirit was with Simeon. Lk.2:25.
The holy spirit is obtained by asking. Lk.11:13.
The holy spirit did not come into the world until after Jesus had departed. Jn.7:39; Jn.16:7; Acts 1:3-8.
Sometimes God is responsible for unbelief. 2 Thes.2:11,12.
Sometimes Jesus is responsible for unbelief. Mk.4:11,12.
The devil causes unbelief. Lk.8:12.
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer. 1 Jn.3:15.
If anyone claims to love God but hates his brother, he is a liar. 1 Jn.4:20.
No one can be a disciple of Jesus unless he hates his brother. Lk.14:26.
Believers do not come into judgment. Jn.5:24.
All people come into judgment. Mt.12:36; 2 Cor.5:10; Heb.9:27; 1 Pet.1:17; Jude 14,15; Rev.20:12,13.
Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. Jn.8:14.
Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true. Jn.5:31.
Men can choose whether or not to believe. Jn.5:38-47.
Only God chooses who will believe. Jn.6:44.
None of Jesus’ followers would be lost. Jn.10:27-29.
Some of Jesus’ followers would be lost. 1 Tim.4:1.
Jesus is the ruling prince of this world. Rev.1:5.
The prince of this world will be cast out. Jn.12:31.
Jesus says all men will be saved. Jn.3:17.
Only 144,000 virgin men will be saved. Rev. 14:1-4.
God wants all men to be saved. 1 Tim.2:3,4; 2 Pet.3:9.
God does not want all men to be saved. Jn.12:40.
Peter asks Jesus where he is going. Jn.13:36.
Thomas asks Jesus where he is going. Jn.14:5.
Jesus said that no one asked where he was going. Jn.16:5.
Jesus lost only one disciple. Jn.17:12.
Jesus lost no disciples. Jn.18:9.
Jesus came into the world to bear witness to the truth. Jn.18:37.
The truth has always been evident. Rom.1:18-20.
During his first resurrection appearance, Jesus gave his disciples the holy spirit. Jn.20:22.
The holy spirit was given to the disciples after his ascension. Acts 1:3-8.
The world could not contain all that could be written of Jesus. Jn.21:25.
All was written. Acts.1:1.
Obey the laws of men for it is the will of God. 1 Pet.2:13-15.
The disciples disobey the council. Acts 5:40-42.
Obey God, not men. Acts 5:29.
Obey men. It is God’s will. Rom.13:1-4; 1 Pet.2:13-15.
God hated Esau and loved Jacob even before they were born. Rom.9:10-13.
God shows no partiality and treats all alike. Acts 10:34; Rom.2:11.
All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law. Rom.2:12.
Where there is no law there is no sin or transgression. Rom.4:15.
Doers of the law will be justified. Rom.2:13.
Doers of the law will not be justified. Rom.3:20; Gal.3:11.
The law has dominion. Rom.7:1.
The law does not have dominion. Rom.6:14.
The law was the result of sin. Gal.3:19.
Sin is the result of breaking the law. 1 Jn.3:4.
Those of “God” cannot sin. 1 Jn.3:9.
Those of “God” can sin. 1 Jn.1:7 8.
The anointing of Jesus teaches right from wrong. 1 Jn.2:27.
The law written on the heart and conscience teaches right from wrong. Rom.2:15.
Abraham was justified by faith. Heb.11:8.
Abraham was justified by works. Jms.2:21.
Abraham was not justified by works. Rom.4:2.
It is not good to eat or drink anything that might cause your brother to stumble or be offended. Rom.14:21.
Let no one pass judgment on you in matters of food or drink. Col.2:16.
It is better that widows should not remarry. 1 Cor.7:8.
It is better that young widows should remarry. 1 Tim.5:11-14.
The god of this world blinds people to the gospel. 2 Cor.4:4.
There is only one god. 1 Cor.8:4.
The powers of this world are wicked, so fight against them. Eph.6:11-13.
All powers are ordained of God and, if you resist, you are ****ed. Rom.13:1,2.
Bear one another’s burdens. Gal.6:2.
Bear your own burdens. Gal.6:5.
Anyone who even greets a non-believer shares his wicked work. 2 Jn.10,11.
Always be ready to answer any man concerning your faith. 1 Pet.3:15.
All of the grass on the earth is burned up. Rev.8:7.
The army of locusts are instructed not to harm the grass. Rev.9:4.
Only “The Father” knows. Mk.13:32.
“Jesus” and “The Father” are one. Jn.10:30; 17:11,21,22.
Jesus said that he would judge. Jn.5:22,27-30; Jn.9:39.
Jesus said that he would not judge. Jn.8:15; Jn.12:47.
Jesus said that The Father judges. Jn.12:48,49.
Jesus said that The Father does not judge. Jn.5:22.
Jesus said that his disciples would judge. Lk.22:30.
He that does not believe is ****ed. Mk.16:16.
Thomas did not believe and was not ****ed. Jn.20:27-29.
“When his branch is yet tender”. Mt.24:32.
“When her branch is yet tender”. Mk.13:28.
Jesus is God. Jn.10:30.
Jesus is the “image” of God. 2 Cor.4:4.
Jesus was a man approved by God. Acts 2:22.
Jesus and God are one in the same. Jn.1:1.
Jesus is beside himself. Mk.16:19; Acts 2:32,33; 7:55; Rom.8:34; etc.
Jesus is the Son of God. Jn.6:69; Jn.20:31.
Jesus is the Son of Man. Mt.18:11; Lk.21:27.
Paul states that he does not lie. Rom.9:1; 2 Cor.11:31; Gal.1:20; 1 Tim.2:7.
Paul states that he does lie. Rom.3:7.
Paul said that he does not use trickery. 1 Thes.2:3.
Paul admits to using trickery. 2 Cor.12:16.
Paul says that circumcision is nothing. 1 Cor.7:19.
Paul says that circumcision is profitable. Rom.2:25; Rom.3:1,2.
Do not covet. Rom.7:7; Rom.13:9.
Paul says covet. 1 Cor.12:31; 1 Cor.14:39.
Paul teaches not to steal. Eph.4:28.
Paul admits to stealing. 2 Cor.11:8.
Paul was assured that he would not be hurt. Acts 18:9,10.
Paul was often physically abused. 2 Cor.11:23-27.
Paul states that the law is necessary. Rom.3:31.
Paul states that the law is not necessary. Rom.6:14.
Jesus said to go and baptize. Mt.28:19.
Paul said he was not sent to baptize. 1 Cor.1:17.
Paul said he was not sent to baptize but to preach. 1 Cor.1:17.
Paul baptized. 1 Cor.1:16.
Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law. Mt.5:17-19.
Paul said otherwise. Eph.2:15.
Jesus said that God did not condemn the world. Jn. 3:17.
Paul said that God did condemn the world. Rom.5:18.
Those present at Paul’s conversion stood. Acts 9:7.
They fell to the ground. Acts 26:14.
Those present at Paul’s conversion heard a voice but saw nothing. Acts 9:7.
Those present at Paul’s conversion saw a light but heard nothing. Acts 22:9.
Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus where he spent some time with the apostles. Acts 9:19.
Paul went to Damascus three years later and saw only Peter and James. Gal.1:18,19.
Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus and then to Jerusalem. Acts 9:18-26.
Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Arabia, then to Damascus, and then, 3 years later, to Jerusalem. Gal.1:17,18.
In Damascus, the governor attempts to seize Paul. 2 Cor.11:32.
In Damascus, the Jews attempt to seize Paul. Acts 9:22,23.
The holy spirit forbids preaching in Asia. Acts 16:6.
Paul preaches in Asia anyway. Acts 19:8-10.
Paul said he would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men. Gal.1:10.
Paul said that he tried to please men. 1 Cor.10:33.
Paul says that he was the chief of all sinners. 1 Tim.1:15.
He who commits sin is of the devil. Children of God cannot sin. 1 Jn.3:8-10.
Paul said that Jesus is the judge. 2 Tim.4:1.
Paul said that God is the judge. Heb.12:23.
Paul said that the saints would judge. 1 Cor.6:2.
Paul said that Jesus was the Son of God. Rom.1:3,4.
Paul said that Jesus was just a man. Heb.7:24.
Do not boast. Lk.18:14.
Do not be proud. Rom.11:20; 1 Pet. 5:5.
Paul proudly boasts. 2 Cor.11:16-18; Gal.2:9-11.
Jesus commends the church at Ephesus for discerning the lying apostles. Rev. 2:1,2.
Paul was the apostle to Ephesus. Eph.1:1.

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Originally posted by thenagel:
fine. while this is yet one more cowardly trick, trying to pass the buck to someone else, typical bill gray doing everything he can to get out of answering a challenge by trying to pass it off to someone else, this time i will play.

here are a few verses that conflict with other verses in the bible, with the nature of the conflict listed to help you identify the problem. the book, chapter and verse are listed after the listed conflict.

they are usually listed in pairs, such as..

The announcement of the special birth came before conception. Lk. 1:26-31. The announcement of the special birth came after conception. Mt. 1:18-21.

( either the announcement came before or after the birth. it can't be both ways - conflict) with one verse conflicting with the other. but sometimes, there is more than one conflicting verse to each issue. i'm not seperating (SIC) them all by issue, you can do that yourself. so there ya go... lots of seeming conflicts all laid out for you. here's your list of conflicting bible verses as supplied by Unob, i look forward to see your proof that none of them conflict. it should be interesting.

Hi Nagel,

So, in all your huffing, puffing, and gas passing -- all you can do is to copy/paste Uno's list -- highlight the first two verses and declare, "There you are!" As is typical with all your posts -- there in NOTHING!

Nagel, if you are going to join in the dialogue, at least put a smidgen of effort into it. You have put nothing into this so far but your excess gas.

So, let's talk about these two Scripture passages which you obviously have not even read. The passage in Luke is the angel Gabriel telling Mary that she had been chosen to be the earthly mother of the human Jesus Christ. Yes, this happened before Jesus Christ was supernaturally conceived in her womb.

The passage in Matthew is the angel Gabriel assuring Joseph that the child in Mary's womb is a supernatural conception from the Holy Spirit. No contradiction, no error -- just two angelic visitations at two different times.

Nagel, if you would have even bothered to wipe the layer of dust off your decorative coffee table Bible, open it, and read these passages -- even you would have seen this.

And, once again, all you can do is, "so there ya go... lots of seeming conflicts all laid out for you. here's your list of conflicting bible verses as supplied by Unob"

I am still waiting for YOU, NAGEL, to show us EVEN ONE conflict, error, or contradiction in that list supplied by Uno's atheist web site. It definitely appears that ALL you can do is huff, puff, and pass gas -- then, accuse another of being lazy. I am surprised you can even muster the energy to type your feeble posts.

So, either SHOW US these errors and conflicts you keep ranting about -- or, let's just let this slide as more of Nagel passing gas! And, we can move on to more productive efforts -- while you sit and pass your gas.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill reminds me of a re-run of an old TV show (comedy). A woman brought her teenaged daughter into an ER and told the doctors that the girl was having horrible stomach pains. They looked at the very obviously pregnant girl and told the mom her daughter was most likely in labor. The girl yelled "I ain't pregnant momma"! They get her on the bed, examine her, and say "the baby is coming." The girl yells, "I ain't pregnant momma"! Then the doctor says the baby is crowning. Again the girls yells "I ain't pregnant momma"! Next they deliver the baby and tell them it's a girl. The girl yells "I ain't pregnant momma"! I think that was on the old series ER that George Clooney starred in.

This is bills act. Even when you show him the contradictions he still acts like he doesn't see them. Ask him a question and either he doesn't see it or you're attacking his family. But he wants to be taken seriously. How can we take you seriously bill?

here ya go, blowhard. specific chapters and versus.


2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..." 2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

2 Samuel 6:23 says "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death" 2 Samuel 21:8 says "But the king took...the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul"

2 Samuel 8:3-4 says "David smote also Hadadezer...and took from him...seven hundred horsemen..." 1 Chronicles 18:3-4 says "David smote Hadarezer...and took from him...seven thousand horsemen..."

1 Kings 4:26 says "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots..." 2 Chronicles 9:25 says "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots..."

2 Kings 25:8 says "And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month...Nebuzaradan...came...unto Jerusalem" Jeremiah 52:12 says "...in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month...came Nebuzaradan...into Jerusalem"

1 Samuel 31:4-6 says "...Saul took a sword and fell upon it. And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead and...died with him. So Saul died..." 2 Samuel 21:12 says "...the Philistines had slain Saul in Gilboa."

Gen 2:17 says "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day thou eastest thereof thou shalt surely die Gen 5:5 says "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

Matt 1:16 says, "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus..." Luke 3:23 says "And Jesus...the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli"

James 1:13 says "..for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." Gen 22:1 says "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..."

Gen 6:20 says "Of fowls after their kind and of cattle [etc.]...two of every sort shall come unto thee..." Gen 7:2,3 says "Of every clean beast thou shall take to thee by sevens...Of fowls also of the air by sevens..."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Gen 32:30 states "...for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." John 1:18 states, "No man hath seen God at any time..."

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Bill reminds me of a re-run of an old TV show (comedy). A woman brought her teenaged daughter into an ER and told the doctors that the girl was having horrible stomach pains. They looked at the very obviously pregnant girl and told the mom her daughter was most likely in labor. The girl yelled "I ain't pregnant momma"! They get her on the bed, examine her, and say "the baby is coming." The girl yells, "I ain't pregnant momma"! Then the doctor says the baby is crowning. Again the girls yells "I ain't pregnant momma"! Next they deliver the baby and tell them it's a girl. The girl yells "I ain't pregnant momma"! I think that was on the old series ER that George Clooney starred in.

This is bills act. Even when you show him the contradictions he still acts like he doesn't see them. Ask him a question and either he doesn't see it or you're attacking his family. But he wants to be taken seriously. How can we take you seriously bill?

yeah.. /sigh

and here's me, giving up. it's like argueing with a brain damaged chihuahua. he latches onto an idea and can't even see there are other options, much less that he's chosen the wrong one.

the really funny part of this newest failed attempt at conversation with bill is that he thinks he's won the debate. he doesn't even see that the rest of us are watching him run away from the chance to defend his bible and his claims of its perfection.

if there were soemthing i believed in that strongly, i'd jump at the chance to stand up for it, yet bill slinks away.

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the really funny part of this newest failed attempt at conversation with bill is that he thinks he's won the debate. he doesn't even see that the rest of us are watching him run away from the chance to defend his bible and his claims of its perfection.

I don't think bill thinks he's won. He knows he hasn't. That's why he avoids the questions, posts his "sermons", and claims that his family is being attacked.

Of course most of these "contradictions" are just "copying" errors, which for some strange reason, are not errors at all, but the inerrant, literal Word of God.

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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
Of course most of these "contradictions" are just "copying" errors, which for some strange reason, are not errors at all, but the inerrant, literal Word of God.

Hi Crusty,

No, the copyist errors are legitimate. However, for a more complete answer -- jump on over to my new discussion titled "Is The Bible Inerrant?"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
Of course most of these "contradictions" are just "copying" errors, which for some strange reason, are not errors at all, but the inerrant, literal Word of God.

Hi Crusty,

No, the copyist errors are legitimate. However, for a more complete answer -- jump on over to my new discussion titled "Is The Bible Inerrant?"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

yes.. i can't wait to see how bill explain the errors in the inerrent word of god.

bill you're a lying old blow hard.

It was written by God, but it has errors. The convoluted contortions Bill's mind - all fundamentalist minds - has to go through inevitably results in a "Jesus Loves Me, But Hates Your Guts" doctrine. That is not at all what I get out of the Bible.