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Mr. Jimmar made the statment at the board meeting on Tuesday night that the board has a problem with the color of the people they hire in the Florence City Schools system. Oh well, what about the Middle School Asst. Principal, an assistant at the High School, a principal at the Freshman Ctr., Athletic Director at Florence High School, and most recently NOW the new Varsity Boys Basketball Coach at FHS! How long has Jimmar been the Union rep?
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What is the precentage (%) of blacks in the Florence City Schools? What is the % of black teachers? % of Black administrators? Maybe until there is a fairly congruent ( read as equal to the makeup of the student body) distrubution of represenative minorities to serve as role models of all children, an increase in representation should be an admirable goal!
That is the American Way!!!!
Florence City Schools are well represented by African Americans. All of the African Americans I know in the system are great. Jimmar is gonna ruin his cred. Joe Blow said it best. There are plenty of well educated african americans at the middle school, fresh. center and the high school. Smith is a very nice lady, I have always liked her and her daughter. She made a few mistakes and deserved what she got. I still like her, just not as a principal at an important school in this system.
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Originally posted by Cave Street:
What is the precentage (%) of blacks in the Florence City Schools? What is the % of black teachers? % of Black administrators? Maybe until there is a fairly congruent ( read as equal to the makeup of the student body) distrubution of represenative minorities to serve as role models of all children, an increase in representation should be an admirable goal!
That is the American Way!!!!


Maybe the NBA will use this concept for its basketball players.But if they go by percentage of color instead of ability, there will be fewer black players. That’s not the American way but the liberal way.
Actions like the ones Mr. Jimmar are taking can actually hurt minorities. There are people who are not otherwise disinclined to hire minorities who might think twice if they think they can't fire them for legitimate reasons. Sometimes people, no matter their race, deserve to be fired.

The statements in the article seemed to imply that the 19 reasons for dismissal were ALL bogus, so the only other POSSIBLE reason was race.

Sad to say, I can think of an unlimited number of bogus reasons to fire someone, besides race. But race is the one that gets the most attention in a case like this, so it is the smart one to bring up.

Career public education people are more afraid of lawsuits than anything in the world. This is especially true of the career public education people who have the power to hire and fire. It would be stupid to fire someone because of race. Maybe everyone is a racist at heart, but I don't think we have the problem with institutionalized racism like we did in the past. There are penalties now, if the accusation can be proven.

We can't crawl into peoples' heads and rearrange the furniture so that they are no longer racists. All we can do is judge their actions.
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Originally posted by Cave Street:
What is the precentage (%) of blacks in the Florence City Schools? What is the % of black teachers? % of Black administrators? Maybe until there is a fairly congruent ( read as equal to the makeup of the student body) distrubution of represenative minorities to serve as role models of all children, an increase in representation should be an admirable goal!
That is the American Way!!!!


Actually, the American Way would be to hire the most qualified people regardless of other factors. The problem is that in education, everyone has the same certification and pretty much the same educational background. A big list of former positions on an application might make a person seem more qualified, but maybe it also means that they were never able to stay at one school long enough to get tenure. This is one field where 'experience' may not work in the job seeker's favor.

It would be hard to rank a stack of teacher applications in terms of qualifications. I think this is why so many nephews and cousins and nieces and sisters get hired. Since everyone is more or less level as far as education and certification go, the next thing looked at seems to be who you know or where you go to church.

I have always wondered what would happen if all the demographic information could be removed from applications . No age, no gender, no race...just a list of what recommends the person for the job. But I guess in some fields it might matter about your age or gender...

I'm just musing....
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Originally posted by redbull:
Perhaps a better question would be why is the principal and assistant principal at the other elementary school allowed to continue in their positions after they broke the morality clause? Why weren't they removed?


If those two did what it was implied that they did, parents ought to be asking questions. Especially since it happened at an elementary school.

Do you think it has anything to do with the Weeden situation?
Do you think it has anything to do with the Weeden situation?[/QUOTE]

Well, let's think about it a minute. If you were in charge and had two folks at one school "fooling around" and you wanted to keep them in the system. Next, you have another person at the other school whose contract was up for review. Word is getting out about the first two and you know you need to separate them. Where would you put them? Remember you want to keep the first two and are willing to sacrifice the third.

Oh and look at the past decisions concerning relocating people within the system.
Sorry I meant to say Mr.Jimmar is always going to use the race card I have been a parent with the Florence City School system for 23 years or more. He constantly cries with the race card. Isn't it funny that it took this to start up the deal at Forest Hills! But oh he has to blame on race! Always has and always will. I only hope that Dr.Beherends sticks to her guns!
So bull are you saying one of the forest hills principals will get the weeden job? I doubt that but crazier things have happened.

Jimmar ruins his credibility every time he speaks! I enjoy watching peoples faces when the race card is pulled. Trust me, FCS is well represented by African Americans who are great with the kids. Jimmar needs to take them in to consideration before he throws the race issue around.
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Originally posted by redbull:
Perhaps a better question would be why is the principal and assistant principal at the other elementary school allowed to continue in their positions after they broke the morality clause? Why weren't they removed?
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It seems to me that the goal of the school system is to educate our children using the best teachers and administrators that money can buy. EVERYthing else is secondary in my humble opinion.

Forrest Hills is one of the best schools we have and that is a result of strong leadership from the top down.

These people made a grave mistake in their private lives and are (and will be) paying for it dearly. I personally have serious issues with what they did BUT as far as I know, they were no "doing it" on the conference table in front of the whole school.

This thing hasn't affected the learning atmosphere unless the teachers are spilling the details to the kids. And if they are THEY should be fired - and if parents are telling their kids these details, THEY should be fired, too!

Those children still have the best leadership that money can buy. Forrest Hills is still one of the best elementary schools in the Shoals. That fact should be weighed heavily when it comes time to renew the contracts of these people. And I'm sure it will be weighed when is comes time to renew these contracts.

Comparing this thing to the Smith non-renewal is comparing apples to shoelaces. Completely different situations requiring different approaches.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Skeptik:
It seems to me that the goal of the school system is to educate our children using the best teachers and administrators that money can buy. EVERYthing else is secondary in my humble opinion....

These people made a grave mistake in their private lives and are (and will be) paying for it dearly. I personally have serious issues with what they did BUT as far as I know, they were no "doing it" on the conference table in front of the whole school...

This thing hasn't affected the learning atmosphere unless the teachers are spilling the details to the kids. And if they are THEY should be fired - and if parents are telling their kids these details, THEY should be fired, too!...(QUOTE]


BRAVO! BRAVO! (imagine standing ovation here)
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Originally posted by Skeptik:
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Originally posted by redbull:
Perhaps a better question would be why is the principal and assistant principal at the other elementary school allowed to continue in their positions after they broke the morality clause? Why weren't they removed?
]

It seems to me that the goal of the school system is to educate our children using the best teachers and administrators that money can buy. EVERYthing else is secondary in my humble opinion.

Forrest Hills is one of the best schools we have and that is a result of strong leadership from the top down.

These people made a grave mistake in their private lives and are (and will be) paying for it dearly. I personally have serious issues with what they did BUT as far as I know, they were no "doing it" on the conference table in front of the whole school.

This thing hasn't affected the learning atmosphere unless the teachers are spilling the details to the kids. And if they are THEY should be fired - and if parents are telling their kids these details, THEY should be fired, too!

Those children still have the best leadership that money can buy. Forrest Hills is still one of the best elementary schools in the Shoals. That fact should be weighed heavily when it comes time to renew the contracts of these people. And I'm sure it will be weighed when is comes time to renew these contracts.

Comparing this thing to the Smith non-renewal is comparing apples to shoelaces. Completely different situations requiring different approaches.


The reason Forest Hills is doing better is primarily because they don't have as many free lunch students. They have parental involvement as well. It is not only due to the leadership. Weeden has a much high rate of free lunch students; I believe they also have a larger special needs and ESL students as well. Perhaps these wonderful leaders should be able to show what great leaders they are. Maybe they can "straighten out" Weeden. Put Ms. Smith at Forest Hills since it isn't as difficult to run.
And just in case you are wondering "immorality" is a cause for termination as listed in Section § 16-24-1 Code of Alabama (2001 Replacement):

Link

Scroll down to the Causes for Termination section. Perhaps some teachers/principals should do their job and stop treating the schools as their own dating service. I'm sure Florence isn't the only school system experiencing this. Hope those in charge will start going by the Code for Alabama!
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Originally posted by Cave Street:
What is the precentage (%) of blacks in the Florence City Schools? What is the % of black teachers? % of Black administrators? Maybe until there is a fairly congruent ( read as equal to the makeup of the student body) distrubution of represenative minorities to serve as role models of all children, an increase in representation should be an admirable goal!
That is the American Way!!!!


The American Way is the best person for the job regardless of Race or Creed...if the black person is the top notch for the job then great, but if not then they do not deserve anything more than a fair shake. If the students aren't getting the right kind of role model in their own home and in their neighborhood -- then maybe they should be looking to a teacher (regardless of color or gender) as a role model--a good man is a good man regardless of the color of his skin. An adult that does the right thing and teaches others by actions and words -- that is a role model -- color should be irrelevant. I have had both white, black and Asian role models over the years -- you take from each person what you want -- there should be no excuse...
I would agree that the Weeden and Forest Hills situations are not related UNLESS one of the Forest Hills people got moved to Weeden. There still might not be a connection, but it sure would look funny.

And even if that happened, I still don't think the lady at Weeden would be a victim of racism. As I said in an earlier post, there are lots of other shady reasons to fire someone besides racism.

I went to Weeden for first and second grade a million years ago. I had good teachers...my first grade teacher was a first-year teacher. I still see her sometimes and she remembers me. She probably remembers all of us in the same way a person remembers a recurring bad dream! She survived us and had a long career.

My second grade teacher was a very sweet lady who was killed during the school year. That was quite a lesson for second graders to learn. The adults at the school were very supportive. They didn't call in counselors but I remember the principal coming into our room to console us.

This has nothing to do with the topic..I was just feeling nostalgic.
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Originally posted by allencollins4ever:
Who was the 2nd grade teacher that was killed? What year was that because I don't ever remember nothing like that happening?


Hi Allen...

I don't feel good about putting her name on here. She may still have family in the area.

This happened a few DECADES ago, though.

Yes, DECADES. I was in school DECADES ago.

Sigh.....

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