Hi to my Praying Friends,

Last Thursday, I asked you to pray for 2 year old Edley Lattimore who was having open heart surgery at Children's Hospital in Detroit.  He came through the surgery and seemed to be doing fine.  But, as you can see from the e-mail below, he has developed a problem.

Please keep this child, his doctors, and his family in your prayers.

Thank you and God bless,

Bill   

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Subject:  Little Edley    Date:  Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:31:40 -0700

From:  Nancy     To:  Bill Gray   

Hello Bill.  Just wanted to let  you know that our little man has had a setback.  His placelets are pretty low and his blood is not  clotting properly.  They gave him a transfusion this afternoon, so it is wait and see.  The doctors said they might have to operate  again and check the artery they repaired if things don't improve.  We are uneasy, but know that he is in God's hands.

Nancy

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Note:  I have posted this for those who believe in God and believe in prayer.  For our detractors, don't bother -- for after those who care have been notified -- I am going to delete this discussion.  God bless, Bill

 

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

And, once again, pairing your prayer with an actual donation not only has the potential of actually helping this child but will ease the pain of other children as well.

 

You can send as little as ONE PENNY while will accomplish infinitely more than a thousand prayers. 


http://www.chmfoundation.org/donation

 

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I've never wished Hell for any one because I can't imagine the horror

and pain, uno, why do you keep wishing for it?

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi to my Praying Friends,

Note:  I have posted this for those who believe in God and believe in prayer.  For our detractors, don't bother -- for after those who care have been notified -- I am going to delete this discussion.  
Bill

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Maybe I missed something but please show me where any non-believer wished death upon this child???

I lived the ordeal of losing a child I gave birth to that God killed when my child was 12 years old.

Why would I wish that upon any parent or child? (which I did not.)

If you hate us non-believers so bad, & fear we may post in this topic, why not send a PM to the Christians here that you love so much, but continue to ridicule & put down?

 

Ok, you can delete this topic now.


Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi to my Praying Friends,

Note:  I have posted this for those who believe in God and believe in prayer.  For our detractors, don't bother -- for after those who care have been notified -- I am going to delete this discussion.  
Bill

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Maybe I missed something but please show me where any non-believer wished death upon this child???

I lived the ordeal of losing a child I gave birth to that God killed when my child was 12 years old.

Why would I wish that upon any parent or child? (which I did not.)

If you hate us non-believers so bad, & fear we may post in this topic, why not send a PM to the Christians here that you love so much, but continue to ridicule & put down?

 

Ok, you can delete this topic now.

 

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semi, define what uno is doing at the expense of the child.

 

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
semi, define what uno is doing at the expense of the child.
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 Bill posted:

For our detractors, don't bother -- for after those who care have been notified.

 

If Uno wished death upon that child, I didn't see it but I can't see anyone wishing such a thing.

As for his talk of donations, I can't speak for Uno. I myself, mentioned St. Jude in the other topic as a good place to support but it wasn't meant as anything against Little Edley.

 

Bill asked that his "detractors" not bother replying & I find that a mean thing for him to do. I wished that child good health from the beginning but because Bill considers me trash not worth stepping on, he let me know my well wishes wasn't wanted, & that I cared nothing for that child.

 

Just because I have questions, & refuse to wear the Christian hat, doesn't mean that I don't have a heart.

Originally Posted by b50m:

I lived the ordeal of losing a child I gave birth to that God killed when my child was 12 years old.

 

How do you determine God killed your child Semi?

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b, hundred's of people, myself included, stood on the Word, believing prayers would be answered for my child to live. If God chose to ignore those prayers, who killed him?

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

And, once again, pairing your prayer with an actual donation not only has the potential of actually helping this child but will ease the pain of other children as well.

You can send as little as ONE PENNY while will accomplish infinitely more than a thousand prayers.

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Uno, you've been very kind to me in your PM, & I understand the importance of donations for research to help any disease that strikes a child. I respectfully ask that you please let these people know that you do not wish any ill will for this child.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
If Uno wished death upon that child, I didn't see it but I can't see anyone wishing such a thing.
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No, of course I never said such a thing but I'm not surprised the loving Christians would accuse me of it.  I'm sure the child could still use donations, folks.
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
. I respectfully ask that you please let these people know that you do not wish any ill will for this child.

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Honestly, Semi, I could not care less what these fake Christians think of me or my intentions.  I think you and I and a few other rational folks know who the "real deals" are here.

 

Peace be with you.

And whether we send money, healing energy, good thoughts, or good wishes why would it matter as long as our intent was positive for the child?  Wouldn't all good wishes of any kind be welcome?  

 

I'm sure we all wish him the best.  This can simply be a call for positive thoughts/prayers/donations/energy or whatever good stuff we have to send.  It doesn't have to be anything else

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
semi, define what uno is doing at the expense of the child.
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 Bill posted:

For our detractors, don't bother -- for after those who care have been notified.

  

Just because I have questions, & refuse to wear the Christian hat, doesn't mean that I don't have a heart.

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semi, don't let Billie get to you, uno didn't do anything to the child.

(that we know of) Why don't you start a new thread for Little Edley.

Thats better for the child anyway.

 

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by b50m:

I lived the ordeal of losing a child I gave birth to that God killed when my child was 12 years old.

 

How do you determine God killed your child Semi?

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b, hundred's of people, myself included, stood on the Word, believing prayers would be answered for my child to live. If God chose to ignore those prayers, who killed him?

I guess you could say that.  Then every one that didn't get what they prayed for was ignored. Everyone that has died was killed by God.

 

I am sorry you lost a child, I have lost older members of my family, of course, but I never thought God killed them because they died.

 

I obviously don't know the circumstances but it seems that if he died from accident or illness, I would not blame God.

 

I think the atheists like to look at things that way.  God kills but medicine saves. Or by luck, or random chance, or the bullet missed. All bad things come from God but good things happen by accident. It is a paradox to me.

 

Not trying to argue with you and I am not belittling your view, I have a dear friend who lost both her son and her brother within a few years of each other, but she never blamed God.

 

Different view of things.

I think the atheists like to look at things that way.  God kills but medicine saves. Or by luck, or random chance, or the bullet missed. All bad things come from God but good things happen by accident. It is a paradox to me.

 

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No B-atheists look at it like this. Life happens. Life kills. BUT christians keep praising their god and telling everyone that their prayers will be answered, from their god ALL blessings flow, with their god ALL things are possible if a person only asks. They constantly THANK their god for all the wonderful wonderful blessings he gives them. They talk constantly about how god saved them or their loved ones, and what a wonderful caring god he is. When the tornados came through here there were people praying and they will swear that saved them. We sat in our "safe place" in our house and rode it out without prayer. We had damage but nothing like some of our neighbors had, including loss of their life for some.

 

 How many people died that day right in the middle of their prayers? Why was a 17 month old baby killed but the rest of his family spared? Why was our friend killed, jerked from her husband and children, and they survived?  Do you say the mother got to see her loving god kill her child and the husband and children got to see that loving god kill his wife and their mother? Or do you say god is SO good because he spared the rest of them?  New Bethel church was leveled, but this evil atheist made it through. Go figure.

 

Now with that "said", of course we wonder and have to ask, since ALL this good flows from your god, why do you praise him for the good and relieve him of all blame for the bad? Isn't he the one you just said was large and in charge and responsible for everything? No atheist blames a god for anything. There is no god to blame.

I wasn't going to mention the child but to heck with bill. I'm sick of him and some others telling me how I feel or think about things. This baby is going to live or die depending on circumstances beyond anyone's control. What I hope and wish for this child is that he lives, is never sick again, and never again has to go through an ordeal like this. I wish also that this child had never had to go through it in the first place.

I don't see ANYTHING in Bill's posts on this subject, in EITHER thread, that imply he thinks anyone wished death on this child. The way I read it, Bill is asking that instead of getting into the same arguments on this thread as we do in all the others, that we just wish the child well, pray for him, and then let it drop.

 

I did the same thing when Jay died. I wanted to inform those who care about me, or those who prayed for him OR wished him well without praying, that he had passed away. So to keep the conversation from getting ugly, I asked that no one respond.

 

Of course, there WERE two responses, despite my wishes, and both were from atheists. The first was a kind message from Unob, telling me he was sorry I lost my friend and that he appreciated my short "tribute" to Jay. The second was from my old friend Blue, expressing pretty much the same sentiments.

 

Even though I didn't want to talk about it, I DO appreciate the things both Unob and Blue said.

 

It's just too bad it couldn't have gone that way in THIS thread. When someone is seriously ill, I believe we should have enough respect for the ill person AND the one who asked for prayer or positive thoughts, to suspend our arguments in THAT thread. It's not as if there is no other place to argue - pick a thread, any thread. Just leave the sensitive ones about sick loved ones alone.

quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

I wasn't going to mention the child but to heck with bill. I'm sick of him and some others telling me how I feel or think about things. This baby is going to live or die depending on circumstances beyond anyone's control. What I hope and wish for this child is that he lives, is never sick again, and never again has to go through an ordeal like this. I wish also that this child had never had to go through it in the first place. 


Hi Jennifer,

 

Thank you for your prayer above on behalf of the toddler, Edley. 

 

God bless, have  a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Thank you Frog. Jay was my best friend and one of the finest guitarists I ever knew. He died from cancer in May. I will always miss him, but all the songs we played together, all of the things he taught me about guitar repair, music, and life, will be with me always.

Originally Posted by O No!:

Thank you Frog. Jay was my best friend and one of the finest guitarists I ever knew. He died from cancer in May. I will always miss him, but all the songs we played together, all of the things he taught me about guitar repair, music, and life, will be with me always.


He sounds like an amazing and gifted person, and I know he is with you...I'm sorry for your loss, but it sounds as if you gained a lot from knowing him.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

No invictus, sending best wishes and a hope for a good outcome isn't praying, and doesn't involve a mythical man in the sky. It only takes a sincere wish that something good happens to that person. Sad if you don't know the difference.

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So, is the retreat off??

 

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See...Frog?

Another example of the lunacy.

Bill KNEW when he posted this it would turn into another $h*tstorm. After all, the first one he posted did. And he deleted it. Yet! He went ahead and went public instead of PMing the ones he KNEW would be positive to his request. While his sincerity towards this child may be 100%, he KNEW it would be another "fest" and that's where I believe HE instigates. It's pretty hard to see any Christian "love" in that. Just lunacy.

Then again you have Unob. What would it have hurt to have left the Christians alone in this request?

Nothing. What "right" of his did it encroach on? What "persecution" did it pile on him?

No, no matter what his professed intelligence / morals, he just has to crank it up a notch on most, if not all posts. Psycho.

Bennifer just joins in to be included. I don't think she has very much education. I guess that's where my "psycho" comes into play...I really don't dislike her.

Semi is not included in this, nor any other posts I direct. Semi is a good person at heart, but she is hurting. I now know why, and wish there was something I could do, as I can't imagine losing one of my children. I can only wish her the best, and hope somehow she can find peace.

Now, as I said, I don't claim to be a nice Christian, or, a nice atheist. But I can, and will be nice to those who exhibit SOME form of decency toward their fellow HUMANS no matter what their beliefs.

Bennifer just joins in to be included. I don't think she has very much education. I guess that's where my "psycho" comes into play...I really don't dislike her.

 

 

 

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Really ellie? You think I just want to be "included"? Included in what please tell? If I wanted to be in a clique on a newspaper forum or anywhere else I'd do like you do and kiss ***.  And yes, you dislike me, you've been nothing but a snippy little ***** from day one. Apparently you posted something you thought was hella funny or clever and I didn't pay homage to it. Oh well, such is life. I don't like bullies or bully wannabes either. You'd love to be a bully but you don't have the firepower to pull it off. So that just leaves you looking like a frustrated old **** that attacks and runs down people on a forum while complaining that others do it. For you to try to disparage my education is funny considering I've never seen you post anything past a 4th grade level unless you copied and pasted it, and quite frankly I'm surprised you managed to figure out how to do that.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Bennifer just joins in to be included. I don't think she has very much education. I guess that's where my "psycho" comes into play...I really don't dislike her.

 

 

 

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Really ellie? You think I just want to be "included"? Included in what please tell? If I wanted to be in a clique on a newspaper forum or anywhere else I'd do like you do and kiss ***.  And yes, you dislike me, you've been nothing but a snippy little ***** from day one. Apparently you posted something you thought was hella funny or clever and I didn't pay homage to it. Oh well, such is life. I don't like bullies or bully wannabes either. You'd love to be a bully but you don't have the firepower to pull it off. So that just leaves you looking like a frustrated old **** that attacks and runs down people on a forum while complaining that others do it. For you to try to disparage my education is funny considering I've never seen you post anything past a 4th grade level unless you copied and pasted it, and quite frankly I'm surprised you managed to figure out how to do that.

 See, Frog...

I just "pulled her string"! 

Calm down Mannifer. 

Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:

See...Frog?

Another example of the lunacy.

Bill KNEW when he posted this it would turn into another $h*tstorm. After all, the first one he posted did. And he deleted it. Yet! He went ahead and went public instead of PMing the ones he KNEW would be positive to his request. While his sincerity towards this child may be 100%, he KNEW it would be another "fest" and that's where I believe HE instigates. It's pretty hard to see any Christian "love" in that. Just lunacy.

Then again you have Unob. What would it have hurt to have left the Christians alone in this request?

Nothing. What "right" of his did it encroach on? What "persecution" did it pile on him?

No, no matter what his professed intelligence / morals, he just has to crank it up a notch on most, if not all posts. Psycho.

Bennifer just joins in to be included. I don't think she has very much education. I guess that's where my "psycho" comes into play...I really don't dislike her.

Semi is not included in this, nor any other posts I direct. Semi is a good person at heart, but she is hurting. I now know why, and wish there was something I could do, as I can't imagine losing one of my children. I can only wish her the best, and hope somehow she can find peace.

Now, as I said, I don't claim to be a nice Christian, or, a nice atheist. But I can, and will be nice to those who exhibit SOME form of decency toward their fellow HUMANS no matter what their beliefs.


I see nothing wrong with posting a thread asking for prayers, and I don't see a need for anyone to say anything nasty. 

 

Note:  I have posted this for those who believe in God and believe in prayer.  For our detractors, don't bother -- for after those who care have been notified -- I am going to delete this discussion.  God bless, Bill

 

The quoted part from Bill does change the tone of the thread in my opinion, too.  So if I didn't believe in prayer but could send Reiki, good thoughts, wishes, suggestions, experiences that might uplift the child, or ask where to donate money I wouldn't be welcome to post in the thread?  For our detractors don't bother?  I am going to delete the discussion?

 

I understand why someone would want to ask people to be kind and just offer whatever they can to the child, but dismissing others and telling people not to bother to me seems to invite the very posts the op didn't want.  I am not saying it was on purpose since I have no idea, but just saying that "Please, everyone, please offer prayers or whatever you can to this child, and I am asking you to please help this child" and leaving it at that might not be so inviting?  Just a thought...

 

I don't see any "psychos" here myself, but merely a forum with some posters who have gotten into the habit of sniping or maybe aren't thinking about how their words affect others...or perhaps have another agenda besides discussing topics and giving support when needed.  Really this thread could be a simple request for anyone who is interested to send whatever form of hope and help to a sick child.  Anything else besides takes away from the purpose of the thread.

 

Any time someone calls people names, insinuates people aren't educated or have no right to post, says things like, "People like you can't understand", "the animals they are", or countless things people say that just incite anger and defensiveness, then the thread devolves into something that is unpleasant for anyone just trying to have a conversation.  I know some like drama and excitement, and it's really easy to get caught up in trying to prove ourselves right or innocent, but it's too bad it changes the whole energy of the forum.  Just my two cents.

Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Bennifer just joins in to be included. I don't think she has very much education. I guess that's where my "psycho" comes into play...I really don't dislike her.

 

 

 

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Really ellie? You think I just want to be "included"? Included in what please tell? If I wanted to be in a clique on a newspaper forum or anywhere else I'd do like you do and kiss ***.  And yes, you dislike me, you've been nothing but a snippy little ***** from day one. Apparently you posted something you thought was hella funny or clever and I didn't pay homage to it. Oh well, such is life. I don't like bullies or bully wannabes either. You'd love to be a bully but you don't have the firepower to pull it off. So that just leaves you looking like a frustrated old **** that attacks and runs down people on a forum while complaining that others do it. For you to try to disparage my education is funny considering I've never seen you post anything past a 4th grade level unless you copied and pasted it, and quite frankly I'm surprised you managed to figure out how to do that.

 See, Frog...

I just "pulled her string"! 

Calm down Mannifer

That is the part I don't get.  What do you get from pulling people's strings?  I thought it was a religious forum?

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