could windsong aka cobra, be considered an atheist?

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Originally posted by themax:
Knowing what we do about the Mormon faith, could they be considered as atheist, since they do not worship the God that Christians do?

Hi Max,

No, atheists will tell us they do not believe in God -- period. However, Dwight, aka Cobra, aka Windsong, is a Mormon who claims to believe in God -- but his god is not the same as the preexisting God of the Bible.

The god of the Mormons was once a man, like you and me (from the writings of Mormon church leaders):

"God himself was one as we are now, and is an exalted man. . . I say to you, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form. . . like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man. . . He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on earth" (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church" - vol 6, page 305).

From the Mormon book, "History of the Church" - vol 6, pages 308, 474 and written by none other than their founder, Joseph Smith: "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people in it. . . In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods."

The Mormons teach that all good Mormon men can become gods:

"Here then is eternal life. . . to know the only wise and true God, and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you. . . To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God" (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church" - vol 6, page 306).

The Mormons teach that salvation is through Joseph Smith:

"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are" (Brigham Young, [i]"Journal of Discourses" - vol 7, page 289).

The Mormons teach that Jesus Christ is a created being:

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God -- Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind" (Milton R. Hunter, First Council of Seventy, "The Gospel Through The Ages" - page 15).

The Mormons teach that Mary was not a virgin at the birth of Christ:

From the Mormon book, "Mormon Doctrine" -- pages 547, 742, by Bruce R. McConkle: "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers. . .Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; He was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father." In other words, Mr. McConkle is teaching in the "Mormon Doctrine" that God actually had physical sex with Mary and that is how Jesus was conceived. Keep in mind that the Mormons teach that god was and is a man, an exalted man. So, they teach that this man had sex with Mary and conceived Jesus. The Mormons teach that Mary was in no way a virgin when Jesus was conceived and born.

Max, it is very obvious that the Mormon church is not a Christian church; but, is, in fact, a cult church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Max, it is very obvious that the Mormon church is not a Christian church; but, is, in fact, a cult church.

And here we go again. You know bill, atheists consider any church a cult church, and some of other religions consider all others wrong. But IF a person is a good person, what does it matter what they believe?

And again, I will never believe you have a Mormon friend much less a moonie.

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Posted 20 December 2010 02:27 PM Hide Post

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Originally posted by themax:
Knowing what we do about the Mormon faith, could they be considered as atheist, since they do not worship the God that Christians do?


Hi Max,

No, atheists will tell us they do not believe in God -- period. However, Dwight, aka Cobra, aka Windsong, is a Mormon who claims to believe in God -- but his god is not the same as the preexisting God of the Bible.

That is what I mean, the god the morans worship is NOT the God of our lives.

No,
Mormons are not atheist.
Neither are any other faiths that believe in a supreme power.

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Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus

I don't know why this throws you into fits Bill.

God created all of us and Jesus and Lucifer, so we are all 'spiritual brothers and sisters'.

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Originally posted by b50m:
No,
Mormons are not atheist.
Neither are any other faiths that believe in a supreme power.

Wow, an answer to the question in a few simple sentences. Imagine that

Thanks!

Hi Max:

Actually Windsong does believe in the same God as you do.

After all, there is only one God. Yet the personal interpretations of God are as numerous as there are individuals in the universe.

True enough, many here do trend towards following one of the many religions of authority which still clutter the world, Christianity, Mormonism, Islam, Hinduism, just to name a few.

But these "Religions", each proclaiming louder than the next that their view, and only their view is correct, are no more than temporal shadows of the reality which is God.

Created beings can no more define the Creator than can microbes define the scientist who might be studying them.

All religions contain value. All religions contain truth. Some may indeed be better than others, but the sooner that religionists learn to love and value even those of other religions, the sooner shall mankind move closer to what some here call "Heaven on Earth".

Al

I love my God and He loves me. My God is a real being and very easy to relate to. When I pray to my God I envision Him as He is, a being with parts and passions,a God I can become just like and I want to be just like Him. Kind, compassionate, loving, understanding.A God that wants His children to grow up to be just like Him. My God loves athiest and Jews and Budist and all his children even tho they have filed off to all the different religions. My God keeps religion simple and easily understood by all who check it out because He wants it understood by even the un educated ,because He wants all to return to Him. Just like I can become like my earthly father by imitating him,I love the fact that my God says I can become just like Him. Its a shame that we all use the same bible yet you find such a different god in the same book.

WindSong. do you believe that you have to have the consent of Joseph Smith to go to heaven?

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love the fact that my God says I can become just like Him

WINDBAG, you say: "I love the fact that my God says I can become just like Him."

That sounds strongly like classic Mormon doctrine, WINDBAG. "As man is, so God once was; as God is, so man may become." Straight-up Mormon heretical teaching about the alleged capability of a human being to progress to a status literally equal to that enjoyed by God Himself.

You gotta be a Mormon to believe that. They are the only heretics who have come up with that claptrap! Now we KNOW what you are, WINDBAG!! You can't hide behind that pretty little avatar face. Come on out, R O D O C K E R!!!!

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
WindSong. do you believe that you have to have the consent of Joseph Smith to go to heaven?

No, salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone

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Originally posted by beternU:

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love the fact that my God says I can become just like Him

WINDBAG, you say: "I love the fact that my God says I can become just like Him."

That sounds strongly like classic Mormon doctrine, WINDBAG. "As man is, so God once was; as God is, so man may become." Straight-up Mormon heretical teaching about the alleged capability of a human being to progress to a status literally equal to that enjoyed by God Himself.

You gotta be a Mormon to believe that. They are the only heretics who have come up with that claptrap! Now we KNOW what you are, WINDBAG!! You can't hide behind that pretty little avatar face. Come on out, R O D O C K E R!!!!

My poor dear man, in my KJV of the bible, on page 1195, in the book of Matthew are these words, Matt 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, EVEN AS YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.
Now I dont know what part of that commandment you dont understand but it doesnt say be perfect like Moses or any other MAN spoken of in the bible, but it says BE YE THEREFORE PERFECT LIKE YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN.
Now, if that were not attainable, why would the bible tell us to do it?
Now correct me if im wrong but, THAT IS JESUS TALKING THERE, YOUR JESUS AND MY JESUS.
ARE YOU CALLING JESUS A LIAR AND SAYING MAN CANNOT BECOME LIKE OUR HEAVENLY FATHER WHEN JESUS CLEARLY TELLS US TO?
Slam me if you wish and slam the Mormons if you wish but when you slam them on THAT doctrine you are calling the Jesus of the bible a liar!
If you deny this doctrine are you saying you worship a different Jesus than the one in YOUR BIBLE?

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Originally posted by b50m:

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Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus

I don't know why this throws you into fits Bill.

God created all of us and Jesus and Lucifer, so we are all 'spiritual brothers and sisters'.

Hi B,

Jesus Christ is NOT a created being. Jesus Christ is God, God the Son. Read John 1:1. He IS the preexisting God.

Satan/Lucifer is a created being; just as are all angels and mortals -- but, NOT Jesus Christ. I am surprised you do not know this.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
WindSong. do you believe that you have to have the consent of Joseph Smith to go to heaven?

No, salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone

Hi Dwight,

The Mormons teach that salvation is through Joseph Smith:

"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are" (Brigham Young, [i]"Journal of Discourses" - vol 7, page 289).

This is from one of the sacred books of your church, "Journal of Discourses."

Are you saying this is not true?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by b50m:

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Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus

I don't know why this throws you into fits Bill.

God created all of us and Jesus and Lucifer, so we are all 'spiritual brothers and sisters'.

Hi B,

Jesus Christ is NOT a created being. Jesus Christ is God, God the Son. Read John 1:1. He IS the preexisting God.

Satan/Lucifer is a created being; just as are all angels and mortals -- but, NOT Jesus Christ. I am surprised you do not know this.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

The verse you quote says IN THE BEGINNING. It doesnt specify which beginning, the beginning of all exsistance or the beginning of the creation of this earth. The bible gives us an account of the creation of this earth and yes, in the beginning of this earth Jesus was there but it says nothing of Him being a prexistant God verses being a child of his father who was with Him in the beginning of the creation of this earth.
You cant be making things up to suit you Bill.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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Max, it is very obvious that the Mormon church is not a Christian church; but, is, in fact, a cult church.

And here we go again. You know bill, atheists consider any church a cult church, and some of other religions consider all others wrong. But IF a person is a good person, what does it matter what they believe?

Hi Jennifer,

Being "good" will make one feel good during this lifetime. However, this lifetime is but a brief moment, a blink of the eye, when compared to eternity.

So, instead of working to feel good during this brief life -- wouldn't it be wiser to do what is necessary to assure that you feel good for eternity?

And, one does this by believing and receiving the "free gift" of eternal life which Jesus Christ has already purchased with His precious blood. The gift is purchased. All you have to do is, by grace, through sincere faith -- believe and receive it. Just reach out and take it. He is offering it to you and to all people. Isn't it foolish to refuse to accept this marvelous "free gift"?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
WindSong. do you believe that you have to have the consent of Joseph Smith to go to heaven?

No, salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone

Hi Dwight,

The Mormons teach that salvation is through Joseph Smith:

"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are" (Brigham Young, [i]"Journal of Discourses" - vol 7, page 289).

This is from one of the sacred books of your church, "Journal of Discourses."

Are you saying this is not true?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

You are sadly mistaken, the journal of discourses IS NOT a sacred book of the church. The only sacred books of the church are the Holy Scriptures. Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R McConkie is not a sacred book of the church either it is a book he wrote on his own based on his understanding. Those books are not church accepted scripture at all.Sorry

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by b50m:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
The Mormons teach that Jesus Christ is a created being: "The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God -- Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind" (Milton R. Hunter, First Council of Seventy, "The Gospel Through The Ages" - page 15).

I don't know why this throws you into fits Bill. God created all of us and Jesus and Lucifer, so we are all 'spiritual brothers and sisters'.

Hi B,

Jesus Christ is NOT a created being. Jesus Christ is God, God the Son. Read John 1:1. He IS the preexisting God.

Satan/Lucifer is a created being; just as are all angels and mortals -- but, NOT Jesus Christ. I am surprised you do not know this.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill

The verse you quote says IN THE BEGINNING. It doesnt (sic) specify which beginning, the beginning of all exsistance (sic) or the beginning of the creation of this earth. The bible gives us an account of the creation of this earth and yes, in the beginning of this earth Jesus was there but it says nothing of Him being a prexistant (sic) God verses being a child of his father who was with Him in the beginning of the creation of this earth. You cant be making things up to suit you Bill.

Hi Dwight,

I am not sure if you are being facetious -- or if you are really serious. But, just for exercise, let's take a look at John 1:1-3:

John 1:1-3, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being."

"In the beginning was the Word" -- this is Jesus Christ.

"and the Word was with God" -- the Triune God: Father, Son, Holy Spirit were there -- already existing "in the beginning."

"and the Word was God." -- Jesus Christ was God.

Actually, if you look at the Greek version of this last phrase, it really reads: "kai theos en logos" -- "and (kai) God (theos) was (en) the Word (logos). In other words, the phrase in the Greek actually says: "God was the Word," i.e, God was Jesus Christ.

We know that God is preexisting; He has existed eternally. God has no beginning and no ending -- He is from eternity to eternity.

So, what this is saying is that, "In the beginning" -- when time and all the universe was created -- God already was -- and the Word, Jesus Christ, was already existing with Him. How do we know this? God was preexisting -- and the Word, Jesus Christ, was and is God.

Therefore, "In the beginning" refers to our beginning -- not God's. "In the beginning God (the Triune God) created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1).

Since God exists outside our universe and outside our time domain -- the four dimensional (height, width, length, time) universe He created for us -- had a beginning. And, that is the beginning spoken of in Genesis 1:1 and in John 1:1.

That creation included the heavens, the earth, angels, humans, animals, and every single part of the universe -- including the sciences which define our universe and the laws which govern those sciences.

Jesus Christ was not and is not part of the creation, as the Mormons and JWs tell us. He is God -- the Creator.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
WindSong. do you believe that you have to have the consent of Joseph Smith to go to heaven?

No, salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone

Hi Dwight,

The Mormons teach that salvation is through Joseph Smith:

"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are" (Brigham Young, [i]"Journal of Discourses" - vol 7, page 289).

This is from one of the sacred books of your church, "Journal of Discourses."

Are you saying this is not true?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

You are sadly mistaken, the journal of discourses IS NOT a sacred book of the church. The only sacred books of the church are the Holy Scriptures. Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R McConkie is not a sacred book of the church either it is a book he wrote on his own based on his understanding. Those books are not church accepted scripture at all.Sorry

Hi Dwight,

So, you are telling us that Brigham Young, beloved president of the LDS "Mormon" church, was lying when he wrote that statement?

Okay, then what else did Brigham Young, Joseph Smith, et al, lie about?

Dwight, tells which books are the sacred books of the Mormon church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, if I knew you were genuinely interested in gaining knowledge about my testimony of the doctrines of the church,I would gladly share with you. Now, do to the tone off your statements and that you a fundamentalist are apparently claiming to have more knowledge and understanding of a church which I have been a member of for over 35 years and you have never been a member of,I see there is no need to discuss a subject with you that You seem to believe I am un educated in.
If you go to my blog in the My Profile area you will read of some of the experience I have gained over the years in dealing with the church and its people. Will you please tell me where I can go to see a list of the experience you have had over the last 35 years in dealing with the Mormon people so I can hopefully gain from your vast amount off hans on experienc?
My blog where my experience is listed is as follows,
http://cherokeesrealcobra.blogspot.com
Click On The area That Says, See All My Profile, On The Right Of The Blog.

If Windsong and other Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior, then that is all that matters. HOW they view Him is different from the way some other Christians view Him, but they believe He died for their sins, and that's OK by me.

There are a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses who come into my shop, and I have asked them if they believe Jesus died for their sins. Their answer was yes, so they are OK in my book too.

It is not up to ME to judge them, it is up to God. In the meantime, all I can do is worship Him in my own way, and love my fellow man as He wants us to.

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Hi B,

Jesus Christ is NOT a created being. Jesus Christ is God, God the Son. Read John 1:1. He IS the preexisting God.

Satan/Lucifer is a created being; just as are all angels and mortals -- but, NOT Jesus Christ. I am surprised you do not know this.

Oh I see, that Jesus being born thing didn't happen. No Mary, no Bethlehem, no star, all myth.
Gotcha Bill.

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Originally posted by O No!:
If Windsong and other Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior, then that is all that matters. HOW they view Him is different from the way some other Christians view Him, but they believe He died for their sins, and that's OK by me.

There are a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses who come into my shop, and I have asked them if they believe Jesus died for their sins. Their answer was yes, so they are OK in my book too.

It is not up to ME to judge them, it is up to God. In the meantime, all I can do is worship Him in my own way, and love my fellow man as He wants us to.

I agree ONO. I talked to my dental hygienist yesterday about it. I always take a Chritmas gift to my dentist each year. This particular girl has only been there a short time and is JW and the ohers thought it might offend her, so being me, I ASKED! LOL
She said that they don't celebrate Christmas because the Bible does not say to. They do celebrate his death, and do follow the passover time line. Now she was very serious about her beliefs and I told her I completely understood. She agreed that to celebrate his life was more important than the day of his birth. So, we all agreed that each could have their own way, and we all shared a gift.
Is that so terrible a thing?

Hmmm..tolerence and compromise between people of different beliefs. What a radical idea. Do you suppose it could work?

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Originally posted by bluetick:
Hmmm..tolerence and compromise between people of different beliefs. What a radical idea. Do you suppose it could work?

As long as you don't turn your back on some of them.

In our church we teach the for principles of the Gospel and teach that if a person followed just these four and never learned anything else, they will make it to Heaven.
1 Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
2 Repentance
3 Baptism by immersion for the forgiveness off sin.
4 Laying on of hands for receiving the Holy Ghost, by one that has the authority.
If anyone has any other questions, you can meet me in person, or call me, or go to the official church sites that can ber accessed on mu blog by clicking on the title off post 78.

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
In our church we teach the for principles of the Gospel and teach that if a person followed just these four and never learned anything else, they will make it to Heaven.
1 Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
2 Repentance
3 Baptism by immersion for the forgiveness off sin.
4 Laying on of hands for receiving the Holy Ghost, by one that has the authority.
If anyone has any other questions, you can meet me in person, or call me, or go to the official church sites that can ber accessed on mu blog by clicking on the title off post 78.

Wind,

Where is your nearest Temple?

Inv

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Originally posted by O No!:
If Windsong and other Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior, then that is all that matters. HOW they view Him is different from the way some other Christians view Him, but they believe He died for their sins, and that's OK by me.

There are a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses who come into my shop, and I have asked them if they believe Jesus died for their sins. Their answer was yes, so they are OK in my book too.

It is not up to ME to judge them, it is up to God. In the meantime, all I can do is worship Him in my own way, and love my fellow man as He wants us to.

Hi O,

What if someone came into your shop and told you that Joseph Smith, or George Smith, or John Doe, saved them -- would that be the same as being saved, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ (the preexisting deity)?

No? You are right. And the same applies to a Mormon Jesus or a Jehovah's Witnesses Jesus. They are as far from being Jesus Christ, deity, as is Joseph Smith or John Doe, who are only mortal humans.

That, my Friend, is the difference. And, that is why the Mormon church and the JWs church are cult churches -- they teach a false Jesus.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
In our church we teach the for principles of the Gospel and teach that if a person followed just these four and never learned anything else, they will make it to Heaven.
1 Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
2 Repentance
3 Baptism by immersion for the forgiveness off sin.
4 Laying on of hands for receiving the Holy Ghost, by one that has the authority.
If anyone has any other questions, you can meet me in person, or call me, or go to the official church sites that can ber accessed on mu blog by clicking on the title off post 78.

Hi Dwight,

1. Who is the Jesus Christ in your church? Is He the preexisting God of John 1:1?

2. To the Mormons, who is God? Is He the preexisting God who created heaven and earth in Genesis 1:1 -- and is He preexisting or was He a man first?

3. Was Jesus Christ conceived through an actual physical sexual act -- or was He conceived by the Holy Spirit supernaturally fertilizing the seed in Mary's womb?

4. Can a Mormon man become a god, have his own goddess wives, his own planet -- and populate his own planet?

If you want us to believe your church is NOT a cult church; please answer these questions.

We can compare your answers to what is written in Mormon authorized books.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Ok I'll admit I don't understand. Jesus was pre-existing---He wasn't a child born to Mary and Joseph---All of that stuff is whats in the false bible, right? Every body else's Jesus is the wrong one. Man sure looks like Heaven is gonna be a really lonesome place.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bluetick:
Ok I'll admit I don't understand. Jesus was pre-existing---He wasn't a child born to Mary and Joseph---All of that stuff is whats in the false bible, right? Every body else's Jesus is the wrong one. Man sure looks like Heaven is gonna be a really lonesome place.

You will only stay confused, and if you listen to all of them argue it seems their heaven will be empty and their hell will be full.

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Originally posted by bluetick:
Ok I'll admit I don't understand. Jesus was pre-existing---He wasn't a child born to Mary and Joseph---All of that stuff is whats in the false bible, right? Every body else's Jesus is the wrong one. Man sure looks like Heaven is gonna be a really lonesome place.

Your right Blue, I think I'll go to Gatlinburg.

Sounds good to me Invictus. The ones that get it wrong will go to.........Cherokee

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
In our church we teach the for principles of the Gospel and teach that if a person followed just these four and never learned anything else, they will make it to Heaven.
1 Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
2 Repentance
3 Baptism by immersion for the forgiveness off sin.
4 Laying on of hands for receiving the Holy Ghost, by one that has the authority.
If anyone has any other questions, you can meet me in person, or call me, or go to the official church sites that can ber accessed on mu blog by clicking on the title off post 78.

Wind,

Where is your nearest Temple?

Inv

Birmingham

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
In our church we teach the for principles of the Gospel and teach that if a person followed just these four and never learned anything else, they will make it to Heaven.
1 Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
2 Repentance
3 Baptism by immersion for the forgiveness off sin.
4 Laying on of hands for receiving the Holy Ghost, by one that has the authority.
If anyone has any other questions, you can meet me in person, or call me, or go to the official church sites that can ber accessed on mu blog by clicking on the title off post 78.

Hi Dwight,

1. Who is the Jesus Christ in your church? Is He the preexisting God of John 1:1?

2. To the Mormons, who is God? Is He the preexisting God who created heaven and earth in Genesis 1:1 -- and is He preexisting or was He a man first?

3. Was Jesus Christ conceived through an actual physical sexual act -- or was He conceived by the Holy Spirit supernaturally fertilizing the seed in Mary's womb?

4. Can a Mormon man become a god, have his own goddess wives, his own planet -- and populate his own planet?

If you want us to believe your church is NOT a cult church; please answer these questions.

We can compare your answers to what is written in Mormon authorized books.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill,I told you ,you have lost your privilege to converse with me. Also,I really dont care what you think or believe about the church I am a member of. I dont have to and cannot teach you anything. Only the Spirit of God can unless you are beyond feeling the Spirit.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

3. Was Jesus Christ conceived through an actual physical sexual act -- or was He conceived by the Holy Spirit supernaturally fertilizing the seed in Mary's womb?

Bill

BG

Mary didn't have a seed in her womb.

The body of Jesus was created form three drops of Mary's blood

by the power of God.

I'm convinced you have no respect or love of God.


Inv

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Originally posted by bluetick:
Hmmm..tolerence and compromise between people of different beliefs. What a radical idea. Do you suppose it could work?

Not a chance. LOL

Have a happy holiday, blue.

ahh, i love to see believer calling BS on each others beliefs. warms my heart it does!

it also makes sense once you consider you are all full of it.