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What if someone is posting from a free wifi?
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Originally posted by Stinky Inc.:
Colbertcounty1: You allege that you are a Colbert County Deputy Sheriff. OK, if so, I have a reality check. How long have you been employed in law enforcement? I know that one of the former investigators left about 5 years ago and is now the deputy state fire marshal for NW AL. Did you work with him?


You would be talking about Jimmy, great guy. Always does a good job. When Buddy was Sheriff, everyone could not wait until a Sheriff was elected, now we wish Buddy would come back-lol
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
Apologies zuter. It was CC1. BTW, CC1, I think youthful offender records are sealed, maybe why you couldn't find the conviction to post. So you're digging up something that should be left alone.

Its like it didn't happen, so he's lost no rights to anything. Simple as that.


the man ran for elected office, Daniel Glover, people have the right to know his past. First degree theft of property and first degree robbery.
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Originally posted by colbertcounty1:
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
Apologies zuter. It was CC1. BTW, CC1, I think youthful offender records are sealed, maybe why you couldn't find the conviction to post. So you're digging up something that should be left alone.

Its like it didn't happen, so he's lost no rights to anything. Simple as that.


the man ran for elected office, Daniel Glover, people have the right to know his past. First degree theft of property and first degree robbery.


Right. He ran for office because YO doesn't disqualify him from doing so, and the records are not available for public inspection. It is not a criminal conviction. So it's irrelevant to him holding public office. End of story.

Ala.Code 1975 § 15-19-7

Code of Alabama
Title 15. Criminal Procedure.
Chapter 19. Youthful Offenders.
§ 15-19-7. Effect of determination; records not open to public inspection; exception.


(a) No determination made under the provisions of this chapter shall disqualify any youth for public office or public employment, operate as a forfeiture of any right or privilege or make him ineligible to receive any license granted by public authority, and such determination shall not be deemed a conviction of crime; provided, however, that if he is subsequently convicted of crime, the prior adjudication as youthful offender shall be considered.

(b) The fingerprints and photographs and other records of a person adjudged a youthful offender shall not be open to public inspection; provided, however, that the court may, in its discretion, permit the inspection of papers or records.
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Originally posted by tigerfan256:
Don Terry is a retired sergeant from Muscle Shoals police. He is also a army vietnam veteran. Hes also stated the only money that would go with him is his salary. Pistol permit money, as well as money left over from food would go toward equipment for his employees. Ask Mr. May what he does with pistol permit money and extra food. Also ask Mr. May why its taken 12 years to talk about changing deputies uniforms, giving them take home cars and also letting them have patrol rifles. Im voting for Don Terry!


Oh, come on! They get to keep the gun permit money?????
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Originally posted by colbertcounty1:
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
Apologies zuter. It was CC1. BTW, CC1, I think youthful offender records are sealed, maybe why you couldn't find the conviction to post. So you're digging up something that should be left alone.

Its like it didn't happen, so he's lost no rights to anything. Simple as that.


the man ran for elected office, Daniel Glover, people have the right to know his past. First degree theft of property and first degree robbery.
Did they already elect him? If so, why didn't you post all this info before the election? Why have you waited until March 2010? It's from 1999. Has he been in trouble since?
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Originally posted by HomesickGirl:
Oh, come on! They get to keep the gun permit money?????


Yes they do. As well as money leftover that isn't spent on inmate meals. If it cost $1.60 to feed each inmate but it is in the budget for $2.00, then the sheriff can pocket $0.40 on every meal for every inmate. Of course they are all still scared to touch that money now because of the other sheriff in the east part of the state cutting cost to low to put more money in his pocket at the expense of the inmates. The state hasn't changed that yet, and I doubt they will.
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
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Originally posted by colbertcounty1:
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
Apologies zuter. It was CC1. BTW, CC1, I think youthful offender records are sealed, maybe why you couldn't find the conviction to post. So you're digging up something that should be left alone.

Its like it didn't happen, so he's lost no rights to anything. Simple as that.


the man ran for elected office, Daniel Glover, people have the right to know his past. First degree theft of property and first degree robbery.


Right. He ran for office because YO doesn't disqualify him from doing so, and the records are not available for public inspection. It is not a criminal conviction. So it's irrelevant to him holding public office. End of story.

Ala.Code 1975 § 15-19-7

Code of Alabama
Title 15. Criminal Procedure.
Chapter 19. Youthful Offenders.
§ 15-19-7. Effect of determination; records not open to public inspection; exception.


(a) No determination made under the provisions of this chapter shall disqualify any youth for public office or public employment, operate as a forfeiture of any right or privilege or make him ineligible to receive any license granted by public authority, and such determination shall not be deemed a conviction of crime; provided, however, that if he is subsequently convicted of crime, the prior adjudication as youthful offender shall be considered.

(b) The fingerprints and photographs and other records of a person adjudged a youthful offender shall not be open to public inspection; provided, however, that the court may, in its discretion, permit the inspection of papers or records.


First off let me start by saying I have never met or seen this guy.

I understand this guy was given Y.O. status on this crime and I read what it says about a person that recieves Y.O. status.

However, the article indicates he was 18 years old at the time the arrest was made. I have a problem with someone being of age to go to jail, commiting a serious crime and then be given a break. Why did this happen? This favor is not done for every Youth that commits a crime at 18.

As a L.E.O. for the last fifteen years, I always hated to see young people being let off the hook or given breaks because of a special favor. I dont know if that is what happened, but I am saying "The law applies to me and it should apply to everybody". Not "The law applies to me if I don't have money or my parents are not important well to do people."

I don't think this guy should be any type of L.E.O. I don't think he should be kept from any other job, but I think he should be kept from having an L.E.O. job! That's my opinion!
I agree (about how few get this option), but does anybody know what happened for sure. The "friend" could have lied or this could even be a different person with the same name.

If it is the same person and he's guilty, I don't imagine he'll be elected next time. That's just cause ppl don't give a lot of second chances in small towns.

The fact that he was 20 is what makes me think its not like CCR said.
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
First off let me start by saying I have never met or seen this guy.

I understand this guy was given Y.O. status on this crime and I read what it says about a person that recieves Y.O. status.

However, the article indicates he was 18 years old at the time the arrest was made. I have a problem with someone being of age to go to jail, commiting a serious crime and then be given a break. Why did this happen? This favor is not done for every Youth that commits a crime at 18.

As a L.E.O. for the last fifteen years, I always hated to see young people being let off the hook or given breaks because of a special favor. I dont know if that is what happened, but I am saying "The law applies to me and it should apply to everybody". Not "The law applies to me if I don't have money or my parents are not important well to do people."

I don't think this guy should be any type of L.E.O. I don't think he should be kept from any other job, but I think he should be kept from having an L.E.O. job! That's my opinion!


Being a LEO for 15 years you know that this does in fact happen more than not. You can receive Y.O. Status at 19 as well. There have been plenty of felony cases in this area where the person was 18 or 19 and received Y.O. Even though I understand the need to want the law and it's punishments to apply the same to everyone across the board I am an advocate for Y.O. And while it's not given to every youth that commits a crime, every youth can, and usually does at the recommendation of their attorney, apply for Y.O. You are usually denied Y.O. if you have previously committed a crime and already have received Y.O. or the crime is of an extreme nature as to be tried as an adult.

Oh, and working for the Government in the past 10 years as an LEO myself, I do believe that we should always try and find alternate routes of helping Youth. What Mr. Glover did here in this case is a little extreme but as for the Youth that are taken to jail for everything under the sun, why not try and correct them without them having arrest on their records at such a young age that they can't become gainfully employed or loose scholarships at school and such. This kinda of decisions might have us as LEO's dealing with this person for the rest of our careers because we wanted to throw them in jail instead of getting them help.

And yes, IT'S THEIR FAULT, not ours that they broke the law...but there are solutions. Say it's a youth with Minor in Possession of Alcohol...you can log their name into the police department's system and if another officer encounters this individual at a later date they can check involvements and see where they have been logged as being involved with the PD before. You can call their parents to come pick them up. <---Yes, even if they're 18 or 19. I've done it TWICE before when I first started as a LEO to one 18 year old on one day and a 19 year old on the other, "You either call mom or dad to come get you or you can go to jail." One had mom and dad come pick them up, the other thought going to jail would be easier.

No, I'm not their daddy but I believe our Youth are our future and they are going to screw up from time to time, and being in a position of authority as an LEO we have opportunities to try and help correct their mistakes one-on-one, through system of court programs or with prevention and education techniques without that person actually having to go to Corrections. There is nothing Life-Style correcting about Corrections. I'm not screaming Liberal here, I'm saying we have great opportunities to mentor our youth without throwing them in jail for things most of us have done or had friends and family that have as a youth.
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
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Originally posted by colbertcounty1:
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
Apologies zuter. It was CC1. BTW, CC1, I think youthful offender records are sealed, maybe why you couldn't find the conviction to post. So you're digging up something that should be left alone.

Its like it didn't happen, so he's lost no rights to anything. Simple as that.


the man ran for elected office, Daniel Glover, people have the right to know his past. First degree theft of property and first degree robbery.


Right. He ran for office because YO doesn't disqualify him from doing so, and the records are not available for public inspection. It is not a criminal conviction. So it's irrelevant to him holding public office. End of story.

Ala.Code 1975 § 15-19-7

Code of Alabama
Title 15. Criminal Procedure.
Chapter 19. Youthful Offenders.
§ 15-19-7. Effect of determination; records not open to public inspection; exception.


(a) No determination made under the provisions of this chapter shall disqualify any youth for public office or public employment, operate as a forfeiture of any right or privilege or make him ineligible to receive any license granted by public authority, and such determination shall not be deemed a conviction of crime; provided, however, that if he is subsequently convicted of crime, the prior adjudication as youthful offender shall be considered.

(b) The fingerprints and photographs and other records of a person adjudged a youthful offender shall not be open to public inspection; provided, however, that the court may, in its discretion, permit the inspection of papers or records.


First off let me start by saying I have never met or seen this guy.

I understand this guy was given Y.O. status on this crime and I read what it says about a person that recieves Y.O. status.

However, the article indicates he was 18 years old at the time the arrest was made. I have a problem with someone being of age to go to jail, commiting a serious crime and then be given a break. Why did this happen? This favor is not done for every Youth that commits a crime at 18.

As a L.E.O. for the last fifteen years, I always hated to see young people being let off the hook or given breaks because of a special favor. I dont know if that is what happened, but I am saying "The law applies to me and it should apply to everybody". Not "The law applies to me if I don't have money or my parents are not important well to do people."

I don't think this guy should be any type of L.E.O. I don't think he should be kept from any other job, but I think he should be kept from having an L.E.O. job! That's my opinion!


I agree fully. This is a law for the wealthy. While it may have its positive points, it is easily abused.

If I were considering an association of some type with a person, I would want to know their true history.
CC1

Well! Lets See Here.....Since I am a Ex-deputy Sheriff, not from Colbert County, I have the right to say this to you.

You need to go in tomorrow and resign. If you have lost all respect for the Sheriff, then you need to move on to another department. You work for the County under the present Sheriff.

I am sure there are issues within the department, but to attack the man who has kept you gainfully employed so you could feed your family, brings back the old saying..."Never! bite the hand that feeds you".

Go resign and come out fighting for the other candidate of your choice, but to snipe from within is deceitefull and dishonest to your integrity.

First, the Sheriff does not control the amount of funds the Department recieves. He can ask for 10 million, but ultimately, he has to operate with the funds allocated.
Salaries are set by the County Commission not the Sheriff...Ronnie May and I have discussed this many times, as it has been his wish for years to get the salaries higher for his personnel...so far...the commission has not agreed...

Lets say being one who had first had knowledge of how the bootlegging industry worked in Colbert County under Sheriff Aldredge, you really don't know what you are asking, when you say you want the department to turn back into the style of department it was under buddy.

Youthful Offender is simply set up to protect one from a one time youthful mistake. In my years of being a L.E.O, I have handled several young people who received YO and I have watched the majority of them become gainfully employed, productive citizens as they matured. For you to devulge information on this forum, the status of youthful offender by name for something that was done years ago is in my book a firing offense...YO is set up to protect the individual from having a criminal record and is sealed from public information. That turns my stomach and you have no right to carry the badge any longer...get off of my watch mister...
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Originally posted by trader:
CC1

Well! Lets See Here.....Since I am a Ex-deputy Sheriff, not from Colbert County, I have the right to say this to you.

You need to go in tomorrow and resign. If you have lost all respect for the Sheriff, then you need to move on to another department. You work for the County under the present Sheriff.

I am sure there are issues within the department, but to attack the man who has kept you gainfully employed so you could feed your family, brings back the old saying..."Never! bite the hand that feeds you".

Go resign and come out fighting for the other candidate of your choice, but to snipe from within is deceitefull and dishonest to your integrity.

First, the Sheriff does not control the amount of funds the Department recieves. He can ask for 10 million, but ultimately, he has to operate with the funds allocated.
Salaries are set by the County Commission not the Sheriff...Ronnie May and I have discussed this many times, as it has been his wish for years to get the salaries higher for his personnel...so far...the commission has not agreed...

Lets say being one who had first had knowledge of how the bootlegging industry worked in Colbert County under Sheriff Aldredge, you really don't know what you are asking, when you say you want the department to turn back into the style of department it was under buddy.

Youthful Offender is simply set up to protect one from a one time youthful mistake. In my years of being a L.E.O, I have handled several young people who received YO and I have watched the majority of them become gainfully employed, productive citizens as they matured. For you to devulge information on this forum, the status of youthful offender by name for something that was done years ago is in my book a firing offense...YO is set up to protect the individual from having a criminal record and is sealed from public information. That turns my stomach and you have no right to carry the badge any longer...get off of my watch mister...


A deputy works for, and is gainfully employed by the PEOPLE OF COLBERT COUNTY, not the sheriff as you say. The sheriff is only a deputy's supervisor. I think it is time for a lot of cops to realize just who they work for.

Unless there is a gag order there is nothing wrong with anyone talking about anything as long as it is true.

You sound like one that played by the good ole boy rules.
I agree 100% with trader. When I was in college the paper would print those "arrested" for running a stop sign. My name was among them once. Maybe twice. No, I didn't kill anybody, but I'd just as soon nobody goes back and comments on it.

The law says that technically he didn't do it. So, CC1 is in the wrong to bring it up. I don't think it would be too hard to find out which deputy he is and talk to May about it.

And "Jailbird" is kinda a dirty word don't you think? Many of the apostles were in jail. MLK, jr. was in jail. Wait till its your family...
I know this thread has strayed off topic but as far as the YO thing, it does have its purpose. It gives some folks under 21 a shot at keeping a stupid mistake from haunting them forever. You know, those same people we say aren't mature enough to buy alcohol. Those KIDS that aren't quite mature yet. I've had my share of clients that got YO and it helped them out. They have moved on and been good citizens. I've also had clients that were denied YO for serious offenses, if they already had a long juvenile record, or whatever. The point is, it is not a right to get YO but if it's granted it should be protected, not broadcast over a public forum by someone who got the info through inside knowledge.
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
Yeah, I know Colbert County isn't as big as Lawrence County but if the Sheriff over there managed $95K in "leftover" money in 2008, I'm sure the other sheriffs could pocket a tidy sum as well if they're smart and/or inhumane.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/...ff.jailed/index.html


Lawrence Co. has pop. of - 34,418 with 693 sq miles

Colbert Co. has pop. of - 54,418 with 595 sq miles

Franklin Co. has pop. of-30,823 with 636 sq miles

Lauderdale Co has pop. of - 87,515 sq miles
Yes I'm sure Morgan County has thousands more people Lawguy, I though that maybe the county you was speaking of.. it has been in the news so much .
I am not sure I think Lauderdale Co. has between 3 and 4 millions dollar budget for the Sheriff to operate, with 30 to 40 empolyes, jail, cars , and all the other to many to name . It takes someone to be a Sheriff more than , going to dinners, fish frys and all the hand shaking , back slaping events .
He would need some managements skills , and his pay is not that Great !
Well thanks for what they do, and for all of our Law Inforcement in our area!
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Originally posted by trader:
CC1

Well! Lets See Here.....Since I am a Ex-deputy Sheriff, not from Colbert County, I have the right to say this to you.

You need to go in tomorrow and resign. If you have lost all respect for the Sheriff, then you need to move on to another department. You work for the County under the present Sheriff.

I am sure there are issues within the department, but to attack the man who has kept you gainfully employed so you could feed your family, brings back the old saying..."Never! bite the hand that feeds you".

Go resign and come out fighting for the other candidate of your choice, but to snipe from within is deceitefull and dishonest to your integrity.

First, the Sheriff does not control the amount of funds the Department recieves. He can ask for 10 million, but ultimately, he has to operate with the funds allocated.
Salaries are set by the County Commission not the Sheriff...Ronnie May and I have discussed this many times, as it has been his wish for years to get the salaries higher for his personnel...so far...the commission has not agreed...

Lets say being one who had first had knowledge of how the bootlegging industry worked in Colbert County under Sheriff Aldredge, you really don't know what you are asking, when you say you want the department to turn back into the style of department it was under buddy.

Youthful Offender is simply set up to protect one from a one time youthful mistake. In my years of being a L.E.O, I have handled several young people who received YO and I have watched the majority of them become gainfully employed, productive citizens as they matured. For you to devulge information on this forum, the status of youthful offender by name for something that was done years ago is in my book a firing offense...YO is set up to protect the individual from having a criminal record and is sealed from public information. That turns my stomach and you have no right to carry the badge any longer...get off of my watch mister...


So let me get this right, if a Deputy Sheriff knows that there is wrong doing going on in his department he should just keep his mouth shut? I don't really agree with handling it the way he did, although I totally understand how he feels.

As a Police Officer, I saw many things going on with management that was unethical and wrong, but I needed a job also. If I would have openly complained about it or reported it, a reason would have been found quickly to get rid of me. I am sure the Deputy feels the same way. If you were a L.E.O. before you should know what I am talking about.

The truth is, nothing is a secret! Especially, in a small town!!!!

I think things like this should be public knowledge and management held to the standards that they are supposed to be.
fhantom...

I don't believe what was given as examples were ethical violations...he did not agree with the management decisions of dismissing deputies for certain infractions...that is not his prerogative to make that decision...if he was sheriff he could darn well do what he wanted...

He was talking about what he thought was weak management skills because he did not agree with how the sheriff managed his department.Nothing more than that...

Where he did step over the line was releasing inside information about an individual being involved in a YO status several years...Now! That is a fireable offense...he not only violated departmental rules by using sealed information that I am sure he was unauthorized to obtain.

This may not only be a departmental infraction but also a violation involving a Federal infraction. I believe ABI needs to be called in on that one...
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
I know this thread has strayed off topic but as far as the YO thing, it does have its purpose. It gives some folks under 21 a shot at keeping a stupid mistake from haunting them forever. You know, those same people we say aren't mature enough to buy alcohol. Those KIDS that aren't quite mature yet. I've had my share of clients that got YO and it helped them out. They have moved on and been good citizens. I've also had clients that were denied YO for serious offenses, if they already had a long juvenile record, or whatever. The point is, it is not a right to get YO but if it's granted it should be protected, not broadcast over a public forum by someone who got the info through inside knowledge.


Being granted YO is not a secret thing. It just keeps your police record clean. And your a lawyer ehh?
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
It means nobody can hold it against you. And I bet he knows the difference between your and you're.


It does not. It means you don't have to declare it. If someone knows it and wants to hold it against you that is their prerogative.

The spelling police thing gets old. Do you not have a intellectual reply?
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
Although I shouldn't feel compelled to reply, I know it's not technically a SECRET if someone is granted YO. The arrest is public record and the granting of YO is usually done in open court. But the court records thereafter are not public and there is no conviction. Happy now?



Reply or not...strictly your choice. And " technically" or not " technically" has no bearing. You are just plain wrong when suggesting PUBLIC RECORD should be kept quite.
Just Some Highlights Regarding the Youthful Offender Act in Alabama 12-15-100 and 15-19-17 of the code of alabama 1975

Youthful Offender...
A young person who commits a crime but is granted special status entitling him or her to a more lenient punishment than would otherwise be available within the confines of the correctional system. Young Individuals who are no longer considered juveniles may be categorized as youthful offenders. This Act frees a young person from the negative consequences of conviction and punishment as an adult, in hope that he or she will be rehabilitated.


Youthful Offender Status is granted at the discretion of the court, once the individuals background has been reviewed.

Youthful Offender Status covers misdemeanors and some felony charges

Youthful Offender was set up to protect individuals from having a youthful indiscretion affecting their life in the future.

Youthful Offender Status removes any stain called "Conviction" from any criminal record.

Youthful Offender Status SHALL NOT disqualify any youth for PUBLIC OFFICE or PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT (This includes Councilman or Law Enforcement)(Ronnie May was following the code and spirit of the law, just as he should, instead of PERSONAL FEELINGS.Thus HAD NO GROUNDS UNDER YOUTHFUL STATUS LAW TO REJECT HIS APPLICATION.

Youthful Offender Status shall not disqualify any youth from ineligible to recieve any license granted by public authority and such determination shall not be deemed a conviction of any crime.

Youthful Offender Status PROTECTS the individuals court records such as fingerprints,photographs and other records of a person adjudged a youthful offender SHALL NOT BE OPEN TO PUBLIC INSPECTION.

Youthful Offender Status allows access to the records in a very specfic and limited fashion. All court records, including the court docket, petitions, motions, and other papers filed with a case, including case number, transcripts of testimony, findings, verdicts, orders and decrees SHALL BE OPEN ONLY TO COURT PERSONNEL OR TO AGENCIES DESIGNED BY JUDGES DECREE.
Even this is limited to a need to know only bases pertaining to sentence structure or being granted youthful offender status.

Anyone in an official position who GAINS UNAUTHORIZED INFORMATION, or DISCLOSES YOUTHFUL OFFENDER STATUS INFORMATION has committed a CLASS( A ) MISDEMEANOR.

It appears this Youthful Offender Act did what it was suppose to do. It allowed the individual in question to go about making his life in such a manner to become not only a productive member of society, but to contribute to the community by holding an elected office and also becoming a representative of an law enforcement agency. Who better to teach a lesson to our youth than one who has stepped on a thorn in their path's journey to adulthood.
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It appears this Youthful Offender Act did what it was suppose to do. It allowed the individual in question to go about making his life in such a manner to become not only a productive member of society, but to contribute to the community by holding an elected office and also becoming a representative of an law enforcement agency. Who better to teach a lesson to our youth than one who has stepped on a thorn in their path's journey to adulthood.



He wouldn't even show up at the last council meeting. The current council that he is a part of is in turmoil. And how do you know what type job he does as a cop?


I guess our prisons wouldn't be as full if they were all granted YO...that is what you are implying.

The fact is it may work well sometimes, sometimes not. The laws should favor the VICTIMS, not the perpetrators.


Hell, Guy Hunt could run for office again.

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