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A senior is being discipline for having sex and getting a girl pregnant who does not go to the school. It appears that the senior will not be allowed to march and has been expelled from the school.

However the other senior boys who have been lusting will not be disciplined. Even though both sins were done in the privacy of the boys bedrooms and Jesus said both sins were equally wrong, the board members of the school feel its their responsibility to judge one student more harsly than the other boys. Sounds like these board members have a case of Phariseeidus.

Jesus called the Pharisee's sons of the devil because they had failed to understand GRACE. If you are going to live by the LAW then all students should face judgment under the LAW not just one!!!!
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that one is easy - and typical.

the pregnant girl is physical proof of sin.. or will be in a couple months... where the other booys and girls knock boots aren't as .. obvious..

it's not what is right and wrong, it's what they have to explain...

i have a friend who got pregnant her junior year in high scool. she kept it hidden until.. well.. until it was too impossible to hide. after she had her daughter, she recieved a letter from the school, mars hill, that she wasn't an aceptable candidate for their school and she was invited to not resume her senior year.
how's that for christian? hows that for forgivness?
but, that's mars hill... some of the best people i know were thrown out of that school.
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Originally posted by vplee123:
wow, how sad for the girl, and her parents.
I cannot believe a school would kick her out! They should embrace her, embrace the child, and show good old Christian love, forgiveness and acceptance to all involved, in my opinion.


yup. it's a good opinion.
but then it might seem that the school was condoning premaritial sex and better to make one girl, a single teen mother, an outcast than to make it seem they were soft on sin..
covent christian and mars hill seem to be cut form the same cloth
Both Covenant Christian and Mars Hill are private schools and have a right to accept or reject students for any reason they see fit.
Not sure about Covenant but Mars Hill spells out in their handbook a variety of off campus behavior that will get them expelled if brought to the attention of the school so it's not like any of this would have come as a surprise to the kids or parents.
And here we go with more dictating to a private institution what they must do because they are supposed to be tolerant of the world. The whole point of a private school is to choose those options for your kid. It's in the code of conduct about sexual activity. Yes, they are well within their guidelines to expel the student. Unless your child attends the school it is really of no one else's concern. It's just another means of throwing stones at a Christian school. (tit for tat I guess since you are mad they are "throwing stones")

There was a student that went to Brooks that got in a whole heap of trouble both with the school and with the law and her parents pulled every string in the book to get her into FCA to get her out of trouble. People want the strictness when it saves their kid from juvie hall, but when the kids misbehave and have to face their consequences people throw stones.

It's not ok for teens to have kids. Yes, it happens, but they are not ready to be parents in most cases. They face no consequences to deter others from having sex or getting pregnant becasue the parents fix everything for them -- condoms are available and birth control is available and yet many kids are too stupid to use it and keep this from happening. And I know of several people that used abortion as their birth control. It's ridiculous that we tell our teens "It's ok to have sex -- I wish you wouldn't -- but if you get pregnant it's ok too." -- My dad would have punished me if I'd gotten knocked up -- it would have been a tough love kind of thing -- show me the disappointment, anger and frustration and then give me the support I need but I would have had to drop out and get a job and raise the child on my own. Most teens today don't think twice about it with shows like Life of American Teenager and others that glamorize getting knocked up.

Sorry for the rant, If the school won't hold one to the code of conduct -- about sex -- how can they uphold the code of conduct on drinking and drugs -- you either have to uphold it all or not have one. You can't pick and choose and you can't pick and choose which students those rules apply too either. I expect nothing less of a Christian Private School. That's why it's a private school though.
The Blessed Virgin Mary: the archetype of the unwed pregnant girl. The woman taken in adultery confronted by Our Lord, he shamed her good, told her she could not gossip at the well with the other women before he picked up that rock.

These holy ones and watchers live in a fantasy land where by banning something it ceases to exist. No tab A in slot B or you gonna go to public school! We don't want your kind round here: translation, humans.

The least of them, my CCS "brothers", the least of them.
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Originally posted by Sofa King:
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Yes, they are well within their guidelines to expel the student.


And a Taliban government is well within their rights to force women to wear a veil. That doesn't make it right or even "Christian."


No one said it was "Christian", but since you compare it to the Taliban -- they have their rules too. In the Taliban this kid would be dead for shaming the family -- not just expelled, but thanks for the insight of extremism.

It is a rule. Rules have to be followed. You sign a contract when you go to this place that you will abide by the rules. They are drilled into you. It's not about what we think is right -- it is about what the school sets as a standard and that they uphold that standard. They are in the wrong in your eyes, but they are in the right according to their own set of rules.
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Originally posted by LoveShack:
So what you are saying is they have a right to punish only public sins, not private ones....why not punish all sins....oh that's right then there would be no kids at all in these schools...


A -- they didn't call it a sin -- they called it a rule infraction and they punished for it. Society that dislike Christian values are what calls it a sin and says "these kids are being punished for sinning" -- they are being punished for breaking the rules of a private institution. The boy probably thought since he was part of it and the girl wasn't he wouldn't get in trouble. wrong.

B -- You can't punish for something unless you have proof of it. The code of conduct doesn't say "lust and you'll be kicked out" -- if kids are busted breaking the rules I am sure they are punished to the level that is required. I'm quite sure this isn't the first time this has happened and I'm quite positive it won't be the last time. But you can't have it both ways, you can't think it's ok for a girl to run from Brooks to FCA to escape her misbehavior and then not expect this school to discipline kids as they see fit. People want them to save their trouble kids, but don't want them to take care of business when it is necessary.
I don't know anything about this specific situation, so I am commenting in a general way.

All rules imply 'if caught'. Not really any way to catch someone lusting in their heart or mind. When kids go to any school, there is a code of conduct involved. My only concern is that the consequences for breaking the rules be spelled out clearly, and that they be applied uniformly. My experience with CCS years ago (different administration) was that the rules were selectively applied based upon whose child was in trouble. So, treat everyone the same under the code of conduct, and I see no problem with it at all, especially since it is a private school and people voluntarily go there and agree to the rules.

I see no problem with having out-of-wedlock sex as a violation of the school code of conduct. It is not so much the pregnancy that is being punished. If two students were 'caught in the act' the punishment would be the same, pregnancy or no pregnancy.

I think one thing that we sometimes miss when discussing these situations is that just because someone is punished does not mean they are being mistreated or shunned. Discipline can lead to repentance, and love can be part of punishment. There's nothing necessarily unloving about letting someone experience the consequences when they break rules.
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Originally posted by HomesickGirl:
I don't know anything about this specific situation, so I am commenting in a general way.

All rules imply 'if caught'. Not really any way to catch someone lusting in their heart or mind. When kids go to any school, there is a code of conduct involved. My only concern is that the consequences for breaking the rules be spelled out clearly, and that they be applied uniformly. My experience with CCS years ago (different administration) was that the rules were selectively applied based upon whose child was in trouble. So, treat everyone the same under the code of conduct, and I see no problem with it at all, especially since it is a private school and people voluntarily go there and agree to the rules.

I see no problem with having out-of-wedlock sex as a violation of the school code of conduct. It is not so much the pregnancy that is being punished. If two students were 'caught in the act' the punishment would be the same, pregnancy or no pregnancy.

I think one thing that we sometimes miss when discussing these situations is that just because someone is punished does not mean they are being mistreated or shunned. Discipline can lead to repentance, and love can be part of punishment. There's nothing necessarily unloving about letting someone experience the consequences when they break rules.


Great post Homesick! You hit things I was thinking but not able to put into words.
"May he without sin cast the first stone"
This is a situation that is very private.Everyone makes mistakes and i'm pretty sure that if you or your children were going through the exact same thing you wouldn't be writing about it.It's sickening to me that people have nothing better to do than to write about people they know absolutely nothing about.The best anyone can do is to pray for the people who are going through this situation.They are the ones who are going to have to make changes.if you think your so high up to write this junk, i dare you to actually walk up the families that are dealing with it and tell them to their faces what you have posted...i doubt you could do it.That doesn't just go for the writer it goes for all the negative people who commented obviously you feed on others flaws,maybe you should look in the mirror because my guess is that you spend to much time on the computer
I dont know the kids' names, I don't want to know their names, we can talk without making judgements...we can talk and try to learn from our mistakes...that doesn't portend gossip....unfortunately, we all make mistakes and we all have to suffer the consequences...if we know the rules going in, then we know what some of the consequences are. This young man knew at least one of the consequences going in..losing his entitlement to be a student at a private school. God help us all to be better people, I know that I need that help.
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Originally posted by Eastside:
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Originally posted by HomesickGirl:
I don't know anything about this specific situation, so I am commenting in a general way.

All rules imply 'if caught'. Not really any way to catch someone lusting in their heart or mind. When kids go to any school, there is a code of conduct involved. My only concern is that the consequences for breaking the rules be spelled out clearly, and that they be applied uniformly. My experience with CCS years ago (different administration) was that the rules were selectively applied based upon whose child was in trouble. So, treat everyone the same under the code of conduct, and I see no problem with it at all, especially since it is a private school and people voluntarily go there and agree to the rules.

I see no problem with having out-of-wedlock sex as a violation of the school code of conduct. It is not so much the pregnancy that is being punished. If two students were 'caught in the act' the punishment would be the same, pregnancy or no pregnancy.

I think one thing that we sometimes miss when discussing these situations is that just because someone is punished does not mean they are being mistreated or shunned. Discipline can lead to repentance, and love can be part of punishment. There's nothing necessarily unloving about letting someone experience the consequences when they break rules.


Great post Homesick! You hit things I was thinking but not able to put into words.


Thanks, Eastside. I'm glad I was able to get my meaning across.

This is a topic (discipline in schools) that I have put a lot of thought into since I have so many teachers in my family. I know of a situation where a girl in a Christian school was pregnant. She had consequences in line with the school's handbook. She couldn't come back to school (which she probably couldn't have done anyway, for medical reasons) but she was allowed to finish her work at home. She was not technically 'expelled', as I would define expulsion. She wasn't left hanging halfway through her senior year, unable to get a diploma after putting in all that work. She wasn't allowed to walk at graduation, but she and her parents and her baby were at graduation. And after the ceremony, her friends came to her seat and got her so that she would be included in the group photo. I thought there was a good balance between enforcing the rules and letting there be consequences while at the same time loving the girl. And I thought it spoke well of her parents that they showed their respect for the school's rules by attending graduation with their daughter.

In response to some of the posts about judging people, I understand how you feel. I've had these same questions. It has been helpful to me to separate the institution's responsibility to enforce rules and keep order from the way we as individuals are supposed to treat people.

I don't believe it violates the Scriptural admonition against judging others to have these rules and enforce them. The institution is dispassionate..the written rules are not emotional. So punishment, when applied impartially, is not to be taken personally, but should be seen as a consequence of actions. In light of this, it is not 'casting a stone' for the person in charge of the institution to apply the rules to an person on behalf of the institution.

But as individuals, we are just as responsible for our response to the guilty person as the guilty person is for their actions. This is where the casting of stones comes in. Just because someone has gotten into trouble, this doesn't give us the right to personally mistreat them. None of us have the authority to cast a stone based on our own righteousness.
green1 -- let me clarify -- I don't think the kids in this situation are bad kids and yes they make mistakes and those should be handled quietly, but LoveShack decided to make this situation be public fodder because he/she dislikes that CCS held their kids to the standard that the school requires -- so my posts in this discussion are not about the kids -- it is about the standards of a private school. I wish the kids the best and hope they live long healthy lives raising their child.

I agree with your post again Homesick -- it's not judgemental to hold someone accountable for their actions -- that is actually one of the things that the Bible tells us to do is be our brother's keeper and sharpen iron with iron. As a Christian school, in many ways, the school would be in the wrong if they didn't hold the students accountable for their actions.
Hold accountable is the key to this post. If you are going to hold one kid accountable for sin, then why are we not holding all students accountable for sin?

Churches do the same thing, they hold one sin more punishable than the others but this is what Jesus said was wrong! What about kids who have view pornography in the last year at this school should they be punished as well? How about kids who lie? or gossip? or speed? As a parent the school does have a right to discipline its students. People make mistakes, kids make mistakes, yes this was a big one, but confess it and go on.

WOW the irony! Jesus ate and drank with sinners and if the board of this school had seen HIM doing this He would have been expelled also! Jesus came to help sinners never did He ever say He came to help the religious right!
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Originally posted by sheffield:
I agree with you Eastside. It's a sad situation, but if they had the rules of conduct and did not conform: they have to suffer the consequences. It doesn't mean the school doesn't care about them. But, rules are rules.


Sounds like the Pharisee's to me! Not saying this is completely bad but if you want to live under the Law then live by all the laws and if you want to live under Grace then live under Grace! Code of conduct are find for schools and churches and they both have them, but its too sad when certain people are called out because of certain codes of conduct and others are not, this is my main point. It's excatly what the Pharisees did and Jesus hated this type of behavior.
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Originally posted by LoveShack:
Hold accountable is the key to this post. If you are going to hold one kid accountable for sin, then why are we not holding all students accountable for sin?

Churches do the same thing, they hold one sin more punishable than the others but this is what Jesus said was wrong! What about kids who have view pornography in the last year at this school should they be punished as well? How about kids who lie? or gossip? or speed? As a parent the school does have a right to discipline its students. People make mistakes, kids make mistakes, yes this was a big one, but confess it and go on.

WOW the irony! Jesus ate and drank with sinners and if the board of this school had seen HIM doing this He would have been expelled also! Jesus came to help sinners never did He ever say He came to help the religious right!


Jesus did eat with the people who were considered by society to be 'big' sinners. But while he was doing this, he didn't condone their actions, and he didn't try to make them feel better about themselves and their lifestyles. He called them to repentance, which is really the most loving thing he could have done for them. And since he was the only perfect human being ever to live, (and not only a perfect human but also fully God) he was the one person who could have justly condemned them. Instead he urged them to repent. We're not perfect like him, but we are still called to give people this same message.

Generally speaking, it is not Pharisaical to hold to Biblical standards. The Pharisees were notorious for adding to the law. Instead of stopping at 'honor the sabbath' they went on to make up rules about how much weight you could carry before you were doing work on the Sabbath.

A prohibition on sex outside of wedlock is not a made-up concept. It is Biblical. This is what I was trying to say before. There are no righteous people, so when rules are being enforced, those enforcing them are not doing it based on their own goodness. Though we are all imperfect, some human has to enforce the rules. The authority behind the rule is not the person doing the enforcing. In this case, it is the Bible. Sometimes the authority behind a rule is government, or the Constitution.

If you know of other situations at this school where people did the exact same thing and did not get into trouble for it, that's another discussion. I said in my first post that in order not to mistreat people, the rules have to be enforced impartially.

But even if this is the case, it still doesn't make the having and enforcing of rules like this in a private school "Pharisaical'.

Part of the irony of the Pharisees' behavior is that they were condemning people for doing the same things they did. Make sure you don't do the same thing concerning the board of this school. The implication that they would discipline someone for associating with a 'sinner' is a little far fetched.

I am uncomfortable discussing this anymore because I feel at a disadvantage. I believe you know details of a specific situation that is none of my business and I don't want to appear to be commenting on that situation. So this will be my last post because while I think this is an important thing to talk about and wrestle with, I'd feel more comfortable if a specific real life situation was not attached to the discussion.

I'm not going to read this thread anymore. I don't want the people involved to get hurt. So don't waste time responding...just think about it.
Loveshack -- they are not holding accountable for sin. They are being held accountable for a rule infraction.

However, everyone is quick to quote "judge not lest ye be judged" but everyone fails to read the rest of the scriptures. The Bible doesn't tell us not to judge, but it does tell us to evaluate our lives before we evaluate others. The rest of that section of scripture reads as follows:
Matthew 7
Judging Others
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.


The Bible calls on Christians to hold each other accountable for their actions and to do it with love and understanding. You can't correct someone if you can't get to the speck -- with the mentaility that most people go at this -- no wonder our world is in chaos everyone wants to keep sinning in their own lives and are scared to correct others when they see them doing wrong for fear of exactly what you've done -- calling them a hypocrite. It's hypocritical to ignore it too though. so it's a catch-22. In this situation, I'm quite positive CCS didn't just say "you sinner and get out" -- I am quite sure there is a lot more to the story.

Here's the flip side to this -- if CCS had 3 or 4 Pregnant girls and did nothing about it (like the public schools do) you would be throwing stones at the school and calling them sinners for condoning teen pregnancy. You can't have it both ways. I still think the school did the right thing in this situation.

I'm with HOmesick girl though and Cage -- I don't pay the school and I have no child in this situation so I won't comment anymore.
Codes of conduct I understand, yes not allowing a senior to march is understandable but expelling a kid because of a sin is similar to what a lot of Baptist churches are doing when a member's sin is made public. They expell also. Do you really think expelling is the right thing to do for a Christian school. The senior needs to be in school getting the Word daily but instead we kick them out.

You are correct we do not know the entire story and maybe the kid was giving a chance to repent and refused. This is the fine line churches and schools must walk, the irony is its kids like this that God uses a whole lot more than kids that grow up perfect and never need God. This is what most schools and churches are missing.
All through the bible God uses those who were liars, adulterers, murderers, prostitutes, a father-in-law who slept with his daughter-in-law and the list goes on. These are people most schools and churches would expell or kick out but God used them to bring glory to HIS Kingdom and is still using these people today.
Look, I understand the "rules" part. It's the hypocrisy that I'm ashamed of,

When an alcoholic takes a drink, you don't kick him our of AA. When a teenager does what his hormones tell him to do, you don't take away the one thing that may help him overcome his nature.

I can understand grievous violations such as weapons, selling drugs, prostitution, that sort of thing. But these stupid people took away the one thing that might save this man from himself. If they are going to take it that far, why not all the way? Why not take up caning again? Perhaps even stoning. That's biblical, too.

Hate the sin, LOVE the sinner.
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I agree with your post again Homesick -- it's not judgemental to hold someone accountable for their actions



Judgment is one thing. Kicking them out of church and preventing them from ever coming back into the fold is quit another.

They could have loved this kid back into alignment with biblical principals - not thrown him to the lions!
They didn't kick this kid out of church. They kicked him out of school. Big difference. He still has a church to attend and now he will find another school to attend. If he has met all of the other requirements to graduate I'm sure another school will even let him walk to graduate. This kid is still being loved and taken care of he is just having to face the consequences of his actions. Where on earth did you get that they kicked him out of church?

To respond about expulsion from church. I attend a Baptist church and someone talked about expelling members -- the only Baptist Church in the area that I've ever known of doing that is the former First Baptist Muscle Shoals which is now Grace something or other. They expelled people for a lot of things, but most Baptist church don't practice that. ANd also, if a person is willing to repent and show remorse, I have no doubt that a church that did expel them for grevious reasons would let them back in the fold. People come and go from churches all the time -- it's not the preacher that keeps them from coming back -- it's themselves. If they are telling you it is the preacher's fault -- there is more to the story then you are hearing.
These are the correct actions for dealing with a member of a church congregation who is caught in blatant sin:
1) Confront the member and allow them to repent.
2) Confront the member with a small party of their peers and allow them to repent.
3) When all lesser means have failed, terminate their membership and let God deal with it.
4) If the member comes back and makes a public apology and confession and asks forgiveness from God, reinstate the member.

The former FBC Muscle Shoals has a history of "questionable" actions concerning members and staff, with questionable accountability of "senior" staff. The most controversial issue to date is the expulsion of the music minister, making him read a letter of apology that was written by someone other than himself, and telling the man that if he did not read the letter to the congregation, he would not receive any severance pay. Well, this was the most controversial public example I could name. There were/are private examples I'm not at liberty to divulge. I will say that as long as the current leadership is in place, I will not darken the doorway of that building, unless there is a VERY public display of remorse.
Public schools in some places DO do something about teen pregnancies. . . They open daycares, telling the girls it's okay to get pregnant. We'll take care of your babies for you. People keep screaming that schools should do a better job of teaching birth control. Well, they've been teaching birth control for at least 25 years and that hasn't worked. The only method of birth control that is 100% effective against pregnancy and STD's is abstinence. Period.
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Originally posted by Sofa King:
Look, I understand the "rules" part. It's the hypocrisy that I'm ashamed of,

When an alcoholic takes a drink, you don't kick him our of AA. When a teenager does what his hormones tell him to do, you don't take away the one thing that may help him overcome his nature.

I can understand grievous violations such as weapons, selling drugs, prostitution, that sort of thing. But these stupid people took away the one thing that might save this man from himself. If they are going to take it that far, why not all the way? Why not take up caning again? Perhaps even stoning. That's biblical, too.

Hate the sin, LOVE the sinner.


Not sure we can say stupid but traditionalists would be better. They are following a list of rules and then discipline according to those rules and have not given any thought to the word "Grace". Believe me God knows how to discpline His own children. Scripture is clear we have to be careful when it comes to judging and this is my argument for this post.

I'm judging the school, some are judging me, other are judging Grace church, and some are judging the senior. When in fact we all commit sin so which sin is worse and needs to be judged? If Grace church does disclipine its members then it needs to disclipine all the members not just a few, this is what Jesus calls a hyprocite.

Here's the hyprocisy: how many kids were gossiping about this situation at school? 10, 20, 100. Have they been disclipine yet? So that sin or code is not as bad as fornication. This is where the churches and schools are failing, they are hyprocitial in their judging!!!!
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This kid is still being loved and taken care of he is just having to face the consequences of his actions. Where on earth did you get that they kicked him out of church?


I mis-spoke.

I believe, with good reason, that preventing a child from getting a Christian education for a mistake is simply ludicrous.

Your taking away somehting that is good for the child and sending him, instead, to a system that is secular with regard tot hat behavior. It seems awfully counterproductive for that child.

And unchristian. What ever happened to repentance of forgiveness? Teenagers have a license to be stupid, after all. They WILL do stupid stuff because they are often slaves to their hormones.

Kicking him out for a weapon violation is one thing. Kicking him out for giving in to a God-given natural tendency is another.
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This kid is still being loved and taken care of he is just having to face the consequences of his actions. Where on earth did you get that they kicked him out of church?


I mis-spoke.

I believe, with good reason, that preventing a child from getting a Christian education for a mistake is simply ludicrous.

Your taking away somehting that is good for the child and sending him, instead, to a system that is secular with regard tot hat behavior. It seems awfully counterproductive for that child.

And unchristian. What ever happened to repentance of forgiveness? Teenagers have a license to be stupid, after all. They WILL do stupid stuff because they are often slaves to their hormones.

Kicking him out for a weapon violation is one thing. Kicking him out for giving in to a God-given natural tendency is another.


OK, so then a Christian school would be just like a public school and have pregnant teens throughout like they do. WHat is the difference -- it's what teens do right? Oh, wait, there is a difference -- Private schools are supposed to hold their kids to a higher standard. Otherwise, they are no different than secular schools.

Again, it is not unchristian to correct your brother. Teens do not have a license to be stupid -- and if their parents are not doing the job and teaching them safe sex or abstinence then it falls to the schools and this school has a hard line and they followed it. Teens do not have to be a slave to their hormones -- it is a choice. It is a choice to have sex and it is a choice to use protection. Obviously this young man and woman did not. And now they are facing the consequences. Major consequences.

Next thing you know you will be saying it's ok for kids to drink because it is a natural curiosity for them to do so -- so then when they drink and drive and get a DUI or kill someone it's ok -- they were just teens being teens.
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Originally posted by Sofa King:
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The only method of birth control that is 100% effective against pregnancy and STD's is abstinence. Period.


Question, did you have premarital sex?


Yes, before I was a Christian and AFTER I graduated from high school. Try to stay on subject, we todd did. Your name doesn't escape me and is a failed attempt at humor. One thing I try to do is forget the mistakes of the past and press on to the greater achievements of the future. Your post is irrelevant.
okay first of all, you have it all wrong. yall are leaving out so many facts and yall are judging a whole school on one boys stupid mistake. it states clearly in the handbook that anyone who gets pregnant or gets someone else pregnant will be expelled. Every student and parent signs a form stating that they have read and understood and agree to follow all the rules and consequences that are stated in the handbook. he was not even suppose to graduate but the board decided to give him a chance to finish his work at home and recieve his diploma. also others have been getting disciplined for actions that have happened outside of school. i personally think that the administration has made the right decision by expelling him and following the rules. although it was a hard decision to make they had to be right and give out consequences. it was not made lightly, and alot of prayer was put in this decision, so people should get their facts straight. If they would have let people be pregnant or get people pregnant at ccs, than it would make the christian school no different from a public school. and it would give the school a bad name. so people should really quit talking when they really do not know all the facts about it.
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Your post is irrelevant.



No, it's not irrelevant. Many teenagers, you and me included, are slaves to their hormones. We can try to tech them not to do stupid things like having unprotected sex but we will inevitable fail with a significant percentage of them.

Your strategy seem to be "Just say no" when you have your own experience that that is often much easier said than done.

the fact is that "abstinence only" has a miserable failure in preventing teen pregnancy and STD's. The evidence is overwhelming on this.

The best strategy is one of the triune of education, insertions of family values and widely available birth and STD control.

Burying your head in the sand and pretending that telling them to just not do it is simply ignorant and unproductive.
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Originally posted by mrsknowitall.:
okay first of all, you have it all wrong. yall are leaving out so many facts and yall are judging a whole school on one boys stupid mistake. it states clearly in the handbook that anyone who gets pregnant or gets someone else pregnant will be expelled. Every student and parent signs a form stating that they have read and understood and agree to follow all the rules and consequences that are stated in the handbook. he was not even suppose to graduate but the board decided to give him a chance to finish his work at home and recieve his diploma. also others have been getting disciplined for actions that have happened outside of school. i personally think that the administration has made the right decision by expelling him and following the rules. although it was a hard decision to make they had to be right and give out consequences. it was not made lightly, and alot of prayer was put in this decision, so people should get their facts straight. If they would have let people be pregnant or get people pregnant at ccs, than it would make the christian school no different from a public school. and it would give the school a bad name. so people should really quit talking when they really do not know all the facts about it.


Thank you! You have cleared up a few of the points and thoughts.

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