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If they would have let people be pregnant or get people pregnant at ccs, than it would make the christian school no different from a public school.


They AREN'T any different from public school in that regard. Both equally teach ignorance and abstinence as a form of birth control.

The "facts" about Christian schools in this area is that if you want to buy some pot, you go to the Christian schools. Wanna get lucky? Same thing.

The fact is that despite what these hoity-toity, better and holier than thou people would like to think, Christian schools are just as much, if not more of a failure than public schools are.

But at 11k per year for tuition, the board better make some scapegoats or face the holier-than-thou's having their own little Exodus.
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Originally posted by mrsknowitall.:
okay first of all, you have it all wrong. yall are leaving out so many facts and yall are judging a whole school on one boys stupid mistake. it states clearly in the handbook that anyone who gets pregnant or gets someone else pregnant will be expelled. Every student and parent signs a form stating that they have read and understood and agree to follow all the rules and consequences that are stated in the handbook. he was not even suppose to graduate but the board decided to give him a chance to finish his work at home and recieve his diploma. also others have been getting disciplined for actions that have happened outside of school. i personally think that the administration has made the right decision by expelling him and following the rules. although it was a hard decision to make they had to be right and give out consequences. it was not made lightly, and alot of prayer was put in this decision, so people should get their facts straight. If they would have let people be pregnant or get people pregnant at ccs, than it would make the christian school no different from a public school. and it would give the school a bad name. so people should really quit talking when they really do not know all the facts about it.


Well said, If the parents did not like any of the rules when they signed their kid up they should have gone elsewhere. It's a shame that people sign off for things agreeing to follow the rules and then cry foul when they are called out for breaking the rules.
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Originally posted by Sofa King:
They (the Christian schools) AREN'T any different from public school in that regard. Both equally teach ignorance and abstinence as a form of birth control. The "facts" about Christian schools in this area is that if you want to buy some pot, you go to the Christian schools. Wanna get lucky? Same thing.

The fact is that despite what these hoity-toity, better and holier than thou people would like to think, Christian schools are just as much, if not more of a failure than public schools are. But at 11k per year for tuition, the board better make some scapegoats or face the holier-than-thou's having their own little Exodus.

Hi Sofa,

So, what you are saying is that Christian schools are no good -- and that all kids should attend public schools; right? Now, could this be because you believe in Darwinian Evolution and hold science as a god -- that you want all kids to have to attend public schools so that they can be indoctrinated in this "science is god" theology?

Personally, I am VERY happy that all my grandchildren attend Christian schools. It thrills me when I visit the schools and see the children praying; when I see the teachers praying with the kids. Yes, this really thrills me. And, I know that, this Friday, when my wife and I attend Grandparent's Day at the school -- we will hear lots of prayers and talk about God. Isn't that wonderful?

But, by the way, these schools DO teach science -- but, in its proper perspective -- a part of the Creation. And, many of these kids do go on to have careers in fields of science. But, the beautiful thing about their education is -- it is balanced, with science being a part of the curriculum -- not the god of the curriculum.

Sofa, it is sad that you are so anti-Christian.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by Sofa King:
They (the Christian schools) AREN'T any different from public school in that regard. Both equally teach ignorance and abstinence as a form of birth control. The "facts" about Christian schools in this area is that if you want to buy some pot, you go to the Christian schools. Wanna get lucky? Same thing.

The fact is that despite what these hoity-toity, better and holier than thou people would like to think, Christian schools are just as much, if not more of a failure than public schools are. But at 11k per year for tuition, the board better make some scapegoats or face the holier-than-thou's having their own little Exodus.

Hi Sofa,

So, what you are saying is that Christian schools are no good -- and that all kids should attend public schools; right? Now, could this be because you believe in Darwinian Evolution and hold science as a god -- that you want all kids to have to attend public schools so that they can be indoctrinated in this "science is god" theology?

Personally, I am VERY happy that all my grandchildren attend Christian schools. It thrills me when I visit the schools and see the children praying; when I see the teachers praying with the kids. Yes, this really thrills me. And, I know that, this Friday, when my wife and I attend Grandparent's Day at the school -- we will hear lots of prayers and talk about God. Isn't that wonderful?

But, by the way, these schools DO teach science -- but, in its proper perspective -- a part of the Creation. And, many of these kids do go on to have careers in fields of science. But, the beautiful thing about their education is -- it is balanced, with science being a part of the curriculum -- not the god of the curriculum.

Sofa, it is sad that you are so anti-Christian.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Give me a break. I went to a public school my whole life and was and still am a fully committed christian and follower of Jesus Christ. Do you think praying means the kids do no wrong? Talk to some of the kids from covenant christian school and listen how they use God's name in vain and drink and smoke and cuss.... then come talk to me about how happy you are just to see them praying.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Sofa, it is sad that you are so anti-Christian.

Bill


Sofa isn't anti-Christian.

Sofa is anti-hypocrite.

Didn't you do a whole thread similar to that idea, bill?

Just because someone prays and goes to church and talks the talk, doesn't mean they are a Christian and walks the walk.

the first girl i ever had sex with was a bible school girl. she offered that the next weekend she could bring a girlfriend of hers along for a little.. extra.

just because the word Christian is in the title or in the mission statement, doesn't mean the kids that go there are.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by Sofa King:
They (the Christian schools) AREN'T any different from public school in that regard. Both equally teach ignorance and abstinence as a form of birth control. The "facts" about Christian schools in this area is that if you want to buy some pot, you go to the Christian schools. Wanna get lucky? Same thing.

The fact is that despite what these hoity-toity, better and holier than thou people would like to think, Christian schools are just as much, if not more of a failure than public schools are. But at 11k per year for tuition, the board better make some scapegoats or face the holier-than-thou's having their own little Exodus.

Hi Sofa,

So, what you are saying is that Christian schools are no good -- and that all kids should attend public schools; right? Now, could this be because you believe in Darwinian Evolution and hold science as a god -- that you want all kids to have to attend public schools so that they can be indoctrinated in this "science is god" theology?

Personally, I am VERY happy that all my grandchildren attend Christian schools. It thrills me when I visit the schools and see the children praying; when I see the teachers praying with the kids. Yes, this really thrills me. And, I know that, this Friday, when my wife and I attend Grandparent's Day at the school -- we will hear lots of prayers and talk about God. Isn't that wonderful?

But, by the way, these schools DO teach science -- but, in its proper perspective -- a part of the Creation. And, many of these kids do go on to have careers in fields of science. But, the beautiful thing about their education is -- it is balanced, with science being a part of the curriculum -- not the god of the curriculum.

Sofa, it is sad that you are so anti-Christian.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Give me a break. I went to a public school my whole life and was and still am a fully committed christian and follower of Jesus Christ. Do you think praying means the kids do no wrong? Talk to some of the kids from covenant christian school and listen how they use God's name in vain and drink and smoke and cuss.... then come talk to me about how happy you are just to see them praying.

Hi Sofa,

Like you, I attended public schools -- but, my time was in the 1940s and 1950s, before the Liberals and Secularist took over, evicted God, and installed "science" as the new god.

I am not sure how involved you are with ANY Christian school. But, my grandchildren have been in three different Christian schools -- and, these are wonderful environments for the children to learn academically and to grow in Christian faith at the same time.

If you have children or grandchildren -- and they are in the kind of school you describe; I do believe I would look for a real Christian school. I know nothing of this school in Alabama; but, I do know the quality we have in California.

However, I suspect this truly is a good Christian school. It is just that you are judging it by your Liberal Theology and Anti-Christian attitude.

Do you think maybe, that it is not the school that needs improvement -- but, your attitude?

Just a thought.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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LOL at this whole thread.
Kids are kids, and are going to screw up from time to time. Doesn't matter if they are in "Christian" school, public school...whatever.
The difference is, the public schools allow them to stay in school and support them, while the "Christian" school gives them the boot.
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Public schools in some places DO do something about teen pregnancies. . . They open daycares, telling the girls it's okay to get pregnant



How did you make that leap? Whose gonna take care of the kids while the kids are in school? Do you think the schools wanted to set up daycare centers? Your reasoning is not in the ballpark...
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Sofa, it is sad that you are so anti-Christian.


Not anti-Christian but anti-stupidity. I despise the Christian Schools around here for the same reason I despise people like you: They preach ignorance and denial of science and hold science out to be some sort of religion that should be avoided. It is that exact attitude that is destroying education in America and is why we are getting our butts whipped by countries like China and India.

People like you are the vanguards of ignorance in this country. It is you who are leading our children off of an anti-intellectual cliff. Our great country will be in ruins in a few short years unless people like you are relegated to the shadows of ignorance and education becomes king once again.
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So, what you are saying is that Christian schools are no good -- and that all kids should attend public schools; right?



No, you ignorant old fool. I'm saying BOTH are failures. The Christian schools because the preach ignorance and anti-intellectualism. The public schools because they allow too much influence from idiots like you which results in teenage pregnancy rates that are tops in the nation and science literacy rates that are at the bottom.

Kids are GOING to have sex but people like you will not allow schools to educate them properly.

As a dropped my young child off at middle school today, I saw a girl about 7 months pregnant carrying a stack of books to class. It was the saddest thing I thing I have ever seen.

THIS, Bill, is what your insistence on ignorance results in!
I've yet to see a Covenant Daycare. I've yet to see any Covenant scholarship along the lines of what a few weeks with the Jesuits could do with the kids intellectually.

The "church schools" in Alabama are a different classification from Jewish or Catholic or Episcopal schools, which are "private" schools and subject to all the rigors that public schools are. Church schools are exempt from even having their teachers be teachers or teaching in English. They do not have a set minimum core, especially not in math and science. I know, I did an exhaustive seminar paper on the subject about 10 years ago. What I found out frankly shocked me. It seems and the research bears this out, that these schools are an attempt to shield the children of the "true believers" from such contamination as knowledge and critical thinking. They are in many cases in South Alabama merely seg academies in disguise.

As for the ethics of expulsion for not meeting the moral clause, well, maybe the kid is better off than to be surrounded with hypocrites who preach one thing and practice another.
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As for the ethics of expulsion for not meeting the moral clause, well, maybe the kid is better off than to be surrounded with hypocrites who preach one thing and practice another.


Excellent, Aude. A policy that "excommunicates" a child that is most in need of religious education still sucks. Yeah, yeah, they have the right to deny him and I support that. But I support that just as I support the KKK's right to spew their stupidity.

I don't have to like it, though.
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the fact is that "abstinence only" has a miserable failure in preventing teen pregnancy and STD's. The evidence is overwhelming on this.


I believe you misunderstood what I said. I said abstinence is the only method of birth control that is 100% effective. I did not say that teaching abstinence only is effective. Obviously, teaching about condoms and the pill isn't working either. What would YOU suggest? Salt peter until after graduation?
kids are so desensitized to sex, through the media, technology, liberal parenting, etc.
Sadly, I don't really think anything is going to slow this train down. I don't think any form of education is going to make sex a "no no" again. Everything is about sex- even in very young children- Abercrombie and Fitch ads,(for example, only),"dance" class with provocative costumes and moves, (shocking to see a 6 year old shaking her "thang")...
It's a scary time to raise kids. It truly takes a village- but the village is falling apart.
Their private TVs and computers alongside the video games are the kids' babysitters now. They do not play outside any longer, as a rule. They do not read Black Beauty or Treasure Island. They watch VH1 and the Kardashwhoevertheyareians and other tripe. Then one has the sickening spectacle of the real live Baby Beauty Shows.

Not fifty years ago there was one TV in the house. Play meant basketball and softball and badminton, kick the can, fort, hide and go seek, etc. Summers were spent outside and when it rained we read. Part of the summer was spent in the woods and in the creek or at the beach. We had feet like a mule's by April or May from being barefoot. Some horrible times we had to hoe the garden and pick peas and beans and then string and shell them. Gallons and gallons of them.

Our aunts and uncles and cousins lived next door to our grandparents or down the block and we were all under their eyes 24/7.

Kids nowadays have drivers' licenses and cars when they turn 16. We had to work and save money for a 20 year old $500 car at 18 or so. Then we had to have everyone chip in for gas and oil to even go to the VFW or KC Hall for a weekend dance!
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Not fifty years ago there was one TV in the house. Play meant basketball and softball and badminton, kick the can, fort, hide and go seek, etc. Summers were spent outside and when it rained we read. Part of the summer was spent in the woods and in the creek or at the beach. We had feet like a mule's by April or May from being barefoot. Some horrible times we had to hoe the garden and pick peas and beans and then string and shell them. Gallons and gallons of them.

Our aunts and uncles and cousins lived next door to our grandparents or down the block and we were all under their eyes 24/7.

Kids nowadays have drivers' licenses and cars when they turn 16. We had to work and save money for a 20 year old $500 car at 18 or so. Then we had to have everyone chip in for gas and oil to even go to the VFW or KC Hall for a weekend dance!

Hi Neal,

Thanks for the walk down memory lane -- and what beautiful memories they are today. You left out borrowing dad's car to take a date to the drive-in movie.

Once, when I was a senior at SHS, my date and I went to the drive-in movie in Muscle Shoals. We had a nice evening -- sometimes even watching the movie. Then, when the movie was over and the lights came on -- I heard from the car parked next to me, "Hi Billy Joe!"

The car next to us was filled with my aunt, uncle, and cousins. Made me wonder -- were they watching the movie -- or me and my date? Needless to say, for a teenage boy, this was very embarrassing.

Yet, today, it is just one more wonderful memory of growing up in the Shoals area.

Thank you and God bless,

Bill

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Obviously, teaching about condoms and the pill isn't working either.



Actually, that DOES work. Tremendously well, I might add. But in Alabama the law requires we teach "abstinence only."



As a direct result, Alabama has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation.


When did that law come into play? I don't remember abstinence only when I was in high school.
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Originally posted by vplee123:
wow, how sad for the girl, and her parents.
I cannot believe a school would kick her out! They should embrace her, embrace the child, and show good old Christian love, forgiveness and acceptance to all involved, in my opinion.


The point is that it is a Private Christian School whose board makes decisions about policy and rules and when the rules are violated or policy is violated then it might seem harsh, the schools actions, however I have no doubt that they are attempting to run the school according to Christian principals as interpreted by the board. Granted each Christian denomination or religion has it's own views and interpretations of scripture however I don't feel the school or board deserves condemnation for upholding their policies. Could be that they are just abiding by the examples of scripture.
1 Corinthians 5:1-13 (NIV) 1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord. 6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

Could just be that they had this scripture in mind all be it they are two totally different situations but both are considered as sin.
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Originally posted by rolltide52909:
maybe they should have had the scripture of 1 corinthians 6:9 in mind , which talks about how drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, when two of the senior boys got arrested for being drunk... oh wait, i think they happened to be good friends with the "big dogs" at covenant.


You’ve proven that you don’t know what you’re talking about. There hasn’t been any seniors arrested at Covenant for anything. Do you just like to start rumors? For someone who likes to quote scripture, you may need to read up on bearing false witness.
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Originally posted by rolltide52909:
No, its not a rumor. They might not have been ARRESTED, but they were caught by school officials... I dont think the two boys would make that up about themselves considering they were the ones who told me.... Covenant is like a lot of other private schools, you can do what you want as long as you are good friends with the right people there.



It’s not a rumor but they might not have be arrested? You’re confirming your post are nothing but rumors. Thanks for verifying your post have zero creditability.
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haha. You are funny. You must be someone a part of covenant... arrested or not arrested, still a sin. But also, is the punishment expulsion jsut for HAVING sex or for having sex and getting someone pregnant... Cause if every person who had sex at covenant got expelled I know of several who would no longer be there.... guys as well as girls.



I don’t think you know anything. You said two boys were arrested when in fact that is not true. And now you say you know several students who have had sex. Probably just another rumor you want to get out on Covenant. Were you or your child kick out of Covenant? Sounds like it.

Thanks again for verifying your post have zero creditability.
Me or my child kicked out of covenant? No, I dont think so. I went to a public school. Covenant is little sister to Shoals Christian. Shoals is heads and tails above covenant in every aspect. Sports, academics, discipline, etc. Covenant will not last much longer, just watch. If you only knew how close I use to be to someone who goes to Covenant youd understand how I know all this stuff and that it isnt just rumors.
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Originally posted by rolltide52909:
Me or my child kicked out of covenant? No, I dont think so. I went to a public school mainly so that I could actually have some competition in sports unlike 1a schools. Covenant is little sister to Shoals Christian. Shoals is heads and tails above covenant in every aspect. Sports, academics, discipline, etc. Covenant will not last much longer, just watch. If you only knew how close I use to be to someone who goes to Covenant youd understand how I know all this stuff and that it isnt just rumors.


I hope both schools last a long time. The fact is, you lied when you said two boys were arrested from Covenant. You change your tune when I called you on it. It easy to see you have a grudge against Covenant.

BTW, Shoals Christian is not close to the discipline, academics, and sports of Covenant. Coach Odom even allows his players to use bad language. I’ve heard it myself when Odom was standing there.

I hope the best for both schools. They should both have the same spiritual goal.
Are you kidding me? And covenant doesnt use bad language? Coach Deegan has used it himself during games, Ive been told and also heard it. And shoals is not close to covenant? Who put covenant out in boys basketball? shoals. Who put covenant out in baseball? Oh wait, they didnt get put out cause they didnt have a chance to get put out since they didnt even make it to the playoffs. Shoals Christian won more state championships in one day than Covenant has won in its entire history.
Once again, I guess you have a memory problem, I stated earlier I went to a PUBLIC SCHOOL therefore I am not from shoals Christian, its just I know they are rivals so I was pointing out how Shoals is better... But shoals has no class? Go to the al.com forums and look at the comments the fans from the opposing teams said about shoals christian and their fans and how classy and respectable they are... Noone would know if Covenant is classy or not because they dont get outside of tuscumbia to play people because they never make it to playoffs.
You stated a lot of things that aren’t true, so I don’t know where you’re from and don’t care. Like I said before it’s obvious that you have a grudge against Covenant. Your blatant lie about two seniors being arrested when in fact you knew it wasn’t true says a lot about you and Shoals.

I went to a couple of games with friends. When the Covenant team was introduced, the Shoals side booed. I’m not just talking about students. I’m talking about the adults from Shoals also. When the Shoals team was introduced the Covenant side clap. That’s class. Something Shoals doesn’t understand and never will. As an outsider looking in, I would never send my kids to Shoals.

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