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Prayers are not needed by those in heaven and can't help those in hell.
Must be a third place, at least tempararily. "It is a holy and wholesome
thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins.
Fundamentalists may not accept 2 Maccabees, but it reflects the religious
views of jews shortly before new testament times. First century catholics
were extremely conservative people, if anyone suggested the least change
in belief they would be up in arms, sometimes quite literally. The people
understood that oral teachings of the apostles, what catholics call tradition,
and the bible not only did not contradict the doctrine but indorsed it.
Noninspired christian writings, such as the acts of Paul and Thecla ( second
century reference to the custom of praying for the dead ).They knew this even
if they didn't use the name for it. Paul and thecla, the ascription of the
doctrine to Gregory, account for the graffiti in the catacombs. where the first
christians during the persecutions of the first three centuries recorded.
No where does the bible teach Christ obviated the need for any expiation
on our part. Nothing unclean shall enter heaven. Prayers for the dead came
from the teaching of Jesus. God forgave david his sin and sent Nathan with
the message he had to under go expiation. Can we expect less for ourselves.
Having ones sins forgiven is not the same as having
the punishment for them wiped out. God does not cover sins. A soul can't
be declared clean but actually has to be clean. Sola Scriptura is contrary
to scripture. Jesus said I have still much to say to you, but it is beyond
your reach as yet. It will be for him, the truth giving spirit, when he comes
to guide you in all truth.
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That is an odd post....... don't really even know how to reply to it since I really don't know where you are coming from... Are you saying that salvation on earth is meaningless, that we must be saved after we die??
As a believer that Christ's blood was the perfect sacrifice for our sins, it would seem redundant, if not an indictment on the strength of Jesus' blood, to think that his death wasn't enough. Did He lie when He told us that is blood could wash us clean?? So I'm not following your logic.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Gifted Child:
It is a holy and wholesome
thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins.


How can they sin if they're dead? Confused


It means to pray to God to release them from the sins they have already committed semi, or at least I think that is what it means.
I always say a pray for my parents when I go to the cemetery. I believe their spirits know what is happening on earth, but that is my own belief.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Gifted Child:
It is a holy and wholesome
thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins.


How can they sin if they're dead? Confused


simi.

You can't sin if your dead. If you have sin on your soul it will be removed
before you go heaven. No sin will enter heaven. Jesus said you shall not come
out of it until you have paid every last penny. Matt. 5:25-28
I tell you thou shalt not go out thence until thou pay the very last mite. LK12:59
Nothing unclean shall enter heaven REV 21:27 Yes Jesus died for our sins
and this is the atonement to the Father. We could never do this for ourselves.
Jesus reopened the gates of heaven. Praying for souls in purgatory goes back to
just before New Testament time. God told David, I forgive your sin but will still
pay for it. This is not new. When the protestant movement started they did away
with it. I have some earlier posts about this, but I can understand what you might be thinking. Don't think I'm being pushy,I'll go into it more if you want. One thing
is for sure, what you don't will hurt you. God doesn't change and he never will.
He won't because someone doesn't agree with him.
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Originally posted by themax:
When I saw the title of this I thought it might be about if a women should cover her head during the worship service.
It was not even close. Although, I'd like to hear peoples thoughts about it.
You don't see it now-a-days but I can remember as a child, in a P.B.C. seeing it.


themax

what this is about is some people think God covers your sins after you die.
He will not allow any sin to enter Heaven. He will not look the other way
if you're not clean. You will go through purification. God has never covered
sins.

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