Creationism vs Evolution

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hahahahahahahahahahaha

The premise of this thread is silly. "Creationism vs Evolution"!

It's not even wrong. It's out of the question.

Evolution is sound science. Creationism is fluff, blue sky, and superstitious nonsense. There is a reason why most biologists and other scientists won't debate Creationists. Even agreeing to debate gives Creationism credence it does not deserve, as though it is a legitimate alternative to science.

It's not.

Creationism is the prattling of fools, and time will as surely extinguish the insanity of Creationism as Copernicus and Galileo extinguished the "knowledge" of geocentrism. And for the same reason. Creationism is just flat wrong, there's no other way to put it, and those who cling to it are losers for a lost cause.

We are not worried. Truth will out, in the end, even if vigilance is required. That's why I'm here.

Indeed...this "beaten to death" topic once again.
Same old...same old.

Once again...when the "hard" facts of evolution are presented, the..."holes" in the theory...once again THEORY, the simple questions that must be answered for evolution, are deflected...by the science cheerleaders.

No answers to the "holes"...just opinionated rants. Half assed "educational" references...completely refuted on each "fact".

Smoke and mirrors.

Having no real answers, no hard evidence...which is their supposed anchor , the believers turn to the time old tactic of ridicule.

Or philosophy...

Funny.

Cagey,

Give us an example of a "hole" in the Theory of Evolution that gives you pause?

Thanks.

nsns

Why shallow, there is no fossil evidence that supports Darwin’s evolution from a common ancestor.

You know that and yet you believe a lie.

All real scientists have abandoned the fossil gimmick and a few old anthropologists are now, of all things, trying their luck on DNA science. I doubt a trowel and paint brush will get results.

Give it up slim God did it.

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Sez Slim:
Cagey,

Give us an example of a "hole" in the Theory of Evolution that gives you pause?

Thanks.

Just do a search, Slim...Debunking evolution.
There's plenty of science to cast doubt.

Nah, Cagey, I want one from you. I've see the attempts to poke holes in evolution. I'm not convinced.

Give me the best one you can think of.


nsns

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Originally posted by buffalo:

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Originally posted by Unobtanium:

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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:
Random mutation? "Random" figures in to the forming of millions of complex systems? Please explain.

cage: 30 second education:

genes mutate due to radiation or miscoding during reproduction. a mutated gene can only have one of the following effect on the organism: positive, negative or neutral. mutations usually result in a hindrance to survival: the organism get cancer before reaching reproductive age, for example.

the coding can result in a neutral mutation resulting in a change that neiher hinders or helps reproduction such as blonde hair.

occasionally a random mutation results in a benefit to the organism. we see this all the time with bugs who develop a resistance to a insecticide: one single bug out of many millions will survive a insecticide, survive to reproduce and pass on that resistance to offspring. that mutation for survival spreads throughout the population.

that is how it works: very small changes on the genome over vast, unimaginable periods of time result in organisms that used to walk the land evolve into whales and dolphins. "monkeys" evolve into humans.

trandom mutation is only one way a species can evolve. the next concept to study is "speciation." this explains how sexual selection results in a species that diverges. a great dane and chihuahua are examples. they are the same species right now in that that they could conceive offspring if the matter were "forced." but they are so different that they will not. given enough time, they will randomly mutate into wholly separate species. this speciation started taking place only 12,000 or so years ago - a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms.

Uno, I think the conversation here is with yourself.

Nobody on here believes you because there is no evidence for Darwinian evolution. It’s a belief in fairy tales bully. Can’t you see that?

Slim & and the rest of Co. doesn’t really believe your story. Give it up man. Even scientists are abandoning your belief.

We win you lose.

To say that there is no evidence of Darwinian Evolution is so ignorant that it defies comment. The only way I can remain on this forum is to ad this cretin to my ignore list. I have put it off, because it is sometimes entertaining, but this is just beyond belief. I would like to believe that no one could be this staggeringly ignorant in 2011, but I fear that this particular nitwit is all too real. It's a shame that I won't be able to read your reply. Good-bye, buffalo.

Jimi, You cannot hang with me anyhow. You made the correct choice.

Like I have said before, my posts are not for you but the thousands who read my posts and do not post. You are included in the contingent of *******es that refuse to be current as to science. There is NO evidence of Darwinian evolution from common ancestor. Where have you been?

If you tell another lie as to the facts about science or God I will catch you and expose your collective ignorance. Good luck in your new social group T.O.O.T.O .[The Order Of The Ostrich].

Good riddance.

Cagey,

For your entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...0mBM&feature=feedlik

nsns

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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would like to believe that no one could be this staggeringly ignorant in 2011, but I fear that this particular nitwit is all too real. It's a shame that I won't be able to read your reply. Good-bye, buffalo.

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i feel your pain. i iggied him long ago. it appears that others have as well. he has resorted to replying to his own threads to keep himself company. kinda sad, really, but such is the life of people like him,

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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Cagey,

For your entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...0mBM&feature=feedlik

nsns

I don't know about cage but I liked it! Prison eh?

Jen,

For those of us who keep up with the Creationism scam, "Dr." Kent Hovind is an old favorite. He's a pathological liar and that includes his communications with the IRS, hence his time up the river. He's got 6 or so years left to serve.

He famously spoke to crowd after crowd of glassy-eyed Creationists who were so unskeptical that he got applause for his lies and got paid rather well to tell them.

Of course, he and his wack hypotheses have been shot down eight ways from Sunday, time and again, but the Creationists are beneath evidence and critical thinking.

He is responsible for what I call the Hovind Effect. That is, it only takes a few seconds to tell a whopper. It takes hours of research and writing to correct it. And then it will only reach those whose minds haven't been welded shut by the absurdity that is Creationism.

You won't have to go far to find people who, rather than think "This guy's a convicted con artist", think he's been framed by "The Government" for his Creationist ways, supported by The Science Conspiracy to discredit the Bible. Wack jobs, every one of them.

If it weren't for what they can do to the minds of innocent children, it would be to laugh.


nsns

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You won't have to go far to find people who, rather than think "This guy's a convicted con artist", think he's been framed by "The Government" for his Creationist ways, supported by The Science Conspiracy to discredit the Bible. Wack jobs, every one of them.

Exactly like all the tel-evanglists that have been "busted" for one thing or another. They do their time so to speak, then they're right back fleecing people who are fighting each other to hand them their money. Christians can't clean their own house but they sure worry about others houses. They look the other way and say "oh that's not us, that's not all christians", but atheists are held responsible for everything other non-believers do. Christians worry that a teacher in a school might be an atheist but go full out to get proven murderers off death row and out of prisons. Then they wonder why more and more people are turning away from religion in disgust.

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Originally posted by Unobtanium:

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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would like to believe that no one could be this staggeringly ignorant in 2011, but I fear that this particular nitwit is all too real. It's a shame that I won't be able to read your reply. Good-bye, buffalo.

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i feel your pain. i iggied him long ago. it appears that others have as well. he has resorted to replying to his own threads to keep himself company. kinda sad, really, but such is the life of people like him,

Unobob,

You must resist the urge to think categorically and think about what went on inside you a half second before your neurons and circuitry activated your brain to show your ignorance.

Perhaps some olfactory something in your environment, your fetal makeup, your genetic development. Something bizarre is afoot.. Who knows what behavior hormone has triggered your meanness toward me.

You might consider electric shock or frontal lobotomy

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Originally posted by Unobtanium:

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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I would like to believe that no one could be this staggeringly ignorant in 2011, but I fear that this particular nitwit is all too real. It's a shame that I won't be able to read your reply. Good-bye, buffalo.

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i feel your pain. i iggied him long ago. it appears that others have as well. he has resorted to replying to his own threads to keep himself company. kinda sad, really, but such is the life of people like him,

I first thought electric shock or a frontal lobotomy would be in order, however, not being able to find a doctor willing to touch bchip I was left only with the "iggie" option.

Cagey!

Caaaaageeeeeeeeeeeey!

I'm still waiting on a hole in the evolutionary theory. You DO have one, don't you? A crocoduck or something?

Or have you made a claim you can't back up?

nsns

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Sez Slim:
Cagey!

Caaaaageeeeeeeeeeeey!

I'm still waiting on a hole in the evolutionary theory. You DO have one, don't you? A crocoduck or something?

Or have you made a claim you can't back up?

nsns

Hello Slim!
Let's begin...with simple for you...
Let's call it "Fill the Hole".

Hole 1:"The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links?

Where are the links?



Extra Point: What would be the fossil run-up from single cell to a fish? There seems to be a "hole".

They're all over the place.

We are not entitled to fossils of every slight adaptation. Fossilization is quite rare.

But, do yourself a favor, and look up the fossil record of the whales. It's fascinating, and complete enough to paint a compelling picture.

After a manner of speaking, all fossils are transitional species. Species stagnation is rare.


nsns

There is not one single transitional fossil in captivity in any place on the Earth.

slim believes his own lie.

Not one single transitional fossil. QED

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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:

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Sez Slim:
Cagey!

Caaaaageeeeeeeeeeeey!

I'm still waiting on a hole in the evolutionary theory. You DO have one, don't you? A crocoduck or something?

Or have you made a claim you can't back up?

nsns

Hello Slim!
Let's begin...with simple for you...
Let's call it "Fill the Hole".

Hole 1:"The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links?

Where are the links?



Extra Point: What would be the fossil run-up from single cell to a fish? There seems to be a "hole".

Cagey,

Seriously, don't fall into the Creatard trap of using every intermediate fossil to create another set of missing intermediates.

Let's say we have fossils A, C, E, and G. They paint a picture of evolution from A to G. The Creatards then insist on fossils (fossils!) B, D, and F.

And if they were somehow found, then the Creatards would insist on A.5, B.5, etc. Fossilization is not a movie of evolution, but a series of snapshots. The conditions that favor fossilization are rare, but sufficient.

Evolution is completely demonstrable without fossils at all, but they are a wonderful and striking example of the phenomenon.

Oh, and the evolution from single celled organisms to fish and us is pretty well documented. You could look it up.

Cagey, I suspect you are endowed with perfectly sufficient intelligence to see through the Creatard BS that holds back so much of the South and elsewhere. You can break through it, you know. It doesn't mean you have to give up God.

Look into it. Look for the peer-reviewed science. See the museum sites. Don't depend on Creatard agenda sites, such as Answersingenesis. You must know they are lying to you.


I expect more from you.


nsns

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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Cagey, Seriously, don't fall into the Creatard trap of using every intermediate fossil to create another set of missing intermediates.

Let's say we have fossils A, C, E, and G. They paint a picture of evolution from A to G. The Creatards then insist on fossils (fossils!) B, D, and F.

And if they were somehow found, then the Creatards would insist on A.5, B.5, etc. Fossilization is not a movie of evolution, but a series of snapshots. The conditions that favor fossilization are rare, but sufficient.

Evolution is completely demonstrable without fossils at all, but they are a wonderful and striking example of the phenomenon.

Oh, and the evolution from single celled organisms to fish and us is pretty well documented. You could look it up.

THE PROBLEM IS - THEY HAVE "NEVER" FOUND "ANY MISSING LINK" FOSSILS! -- NOT JUST B, D, ETC., MISSING! - THEY ALL ARE MISSING! - RIP DARWINIAN EVOLUTION!

Cage

Slim is talking down to you.

You would think he would show the evidence.

Answer is, he has believed a lie for so long.

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Sez buff:
Cage

Slim is talking down to you.

You would think he would show the evidence.

Yeah...I know, and Slim knows.
I mean no harm.

Stay tuned...

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Sez Slim:
Cagey,

Seriously, don't fall into the Creatard trap of using every intermediate fossil to create another set of missing intermediates.

Let's say we have fossils A, C, E, and G. They paint a picture of evolution from A to G. The Creatards then insist on fossils (fossils!) B, D, and F.

And if they were somehow found, then the Creatards would insist on A.5, B.5, etc. Fossilization is not a movie of evolution, but a series of snapshots. The conditions that favor fossilization are rare, but sufficient.

Evolution is completely demonstrable without fossils at all, but they are a wonderful and striking example of the phenomenon.

Oh, and the evolution from single celled organisms to fish and us is pretty well documented. You could look it up.

Cagey, I suspect you are endowed with perfectly sufficient intelligence to see through the Creatard BS that holds back so much of the South and elsewhere. You can break through it, you know. It doesn't mean you have to give up God.

Look into it. Look for the peer-reviewed science. See the museum sites. Don't depend on Creatard agenda sites, such as Answersingenesis. You must know they are lying to you.


I expect more from you.

Slim,

Step back for a moment and use some "reasoning".

Forget that this is a religious forum. Forget the Biblical/god/creation stigma you have. Remove the “god-blinders”. Just look at what evidence there is, and relate it to the "probable's" that evolutionists fill in the spaces with.

The problem with fossils is pretty clear. It is not having A, C, E, and G that is misleading.
If they are in an ordered sequence (timeline) that we pretty much know is correct (using your alphabetical example) then we can probably figure B,D,and F are just “missing”, if we stretch it. That’s because we know what letters are supposed to complete the sequence.
Beginning our sequence with G then having the next example be C throws the whole equation out of whack. ( G’s and A’s have both been found together, in the same timeline)

Then, it gets really crazy when we are presented with A, C, E, G, and then 6, 8.
How did the sequence change from A,C,E,G (lets say...fish) to a 6,8,(human) ?
We don’t make words made up of alphabet and numbers, because they do not belong together, and would not make sense. Letters don’t lead to numbers.

Next, let’s take DNA, since evolutionists rely so on the fact that all living things have DNA, therefore, all living things have a common evolutionary “ancestor”.
Have you really, and I mean REALLY done a thorough study of DNA, RNA, and the complexities? Have you seen the scientific odds of anything random in DNA...just forming/bonding/creating an entirely NEW creature, much less creating itself in the beginning?
Once again, we are talking about completely new life, different life, different species, evolving from completely different life forms. Not adaptation or variation within the same species. I do not have the time to explain the wonders, and even if I did, I would rather you learn it for yourself. You don't have to go to creationist webs to find it. It's science!


Evolution is a continuing process...right? Where are the even the smallest of changes that we could point out.

Forget the Adam/Eve/ Bible version. Shut out any religious aspect. Remove that “block” from your rational thinking.

Do you really believe Earth...universe...we...zillions of species just happened? From a “Big Bang”...then, a lifeless “soup” that sprang life? Then developed (evolved) into every living thing?

Nah...there is a blueprint...a design.


ps. there is no concrete fossil trail leading up to the first "fish". Even the first ones appear with spines, spinal cords, eyes, gills, fins, and a mouth...according to evolution.
I guess the ancestors were just to soft to make an impression.

pss. I don't do the Genesis thing...

Glad you don't believe the fantasy that Genesis is.

Now, dig this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolut...cktime/l_034_05.html

The evolution of whales is a particularly striking example of how species develop. There is no other explanation.

There is no design. There is only what works. Random mutations occur, most of them are toxic, some of them are neutral, some of them are advantageous. This is what is called Natural Selection.

It's how the whales came to be. If you look at whales, you'll see they're not perfectly designed. For one thing, they're susceptible to barnacles that irritate them.

The chronology of the whale evolution is perfectly in line, also, with more primitive examples being found earlier in the geological strata than newer ones. Same with humans.

Cagey, it's time to admit that evolution is a fact.


nsns

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Sez Slim:
Glad you don't believe the fantasy that Genesis is.

Now, dig this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolut...cktime/l_034_05.html

The evolution of whales is a particularly striking example of how species develop. There is no other explanation.

There is no design. There is only what works. Random mutations occur, most of them are toxic, some of them are neutral, some of them are advantageous. This is what is called Natural Selection.

It's how the whales came to be. If you look at whales, you'll see they're not perfectly designed. For one thing, they're susceptible to barnacles that irritate them.

The chronology of the whale evolution is perfectly in line, also, with more primitive examples being found earlier in the geological strata than newer ones. Same with humans.

Cagey, it's time to admit that evolution is a fact.


nsns

Man!
Slim...
Have you really looked at "Whale Evolution"?
We are told that some mammal...
Went down to the seaside.
Hungry.
Then...POOF! All of the sea predators went zapped...
Whale/mammal is safe.
Whale/mammal slides into tha' water.
Nostrils undergo a miracle!
Somehow change from...nostrils...to blowholes???
Yeah, I've seen the "evolution".