Creationism

There is no single theory.  There is a continuum of thought.  If you honestly want more detail, Lawrence Principe provides a taxonomy: General  Creationists affirm only in a nonspecific way that God is the Creator while Special Creationists (which are further divided into Progressive and Strict) recognize specific tasks.   There are varieties within these subgroups as well.

 

Most scientists in this country believe in a transcendent being of some sort and 40% believe in a personal God.  Unfortunately, what most people observe are silly flame wars like this one…

What's silly, Chuck, is that nonsense such as you presented above is taken as somehow believable.

 

You can slice BS Creationism into however many sects as you choose, the issue remains that it has not scientific validity at all.  Orthodox, Reformed, Conservative, Progressive, Strict sects of Phrenology are all still crap, as is any iteration of Creationism, and for the same reason.

 

Of bloody course there is no single theory, because there is no theory whatever.  Thank you, sir, for answering my question.  Thank you again for demonstrating that Creationism is a superstitious fairy tale.

 

You might be interested to know there is a scientific explanation of the diversity and development of life on Earth.  It's called Evolution.  It's demonstrable in many different ways, it makes predictions (Google "Tiktaalik" one of these days), it's supported by all other branchs of honest science.

 

Creationism contradicts every branch of science.  It is superstitious theology of the worst sort.

 

Chuck, I invite you to open your mind and explore the issue for yourself.  Don't take my word for it.

 

You may take my word for this: If you are a Young Earth Creationist, you're a bloody imbecile, and you should drive off a high cliff. 

 

DF

Do you have a re****ble non-religious site for the 40% of "scientists" that believe in a god and lists what area of science they're in?

My dear DF, 

 

Most Christians believe in both creation and evolution.  I can point you to many resources that back up my facts.  If you like college courses, Dr. Principe, from Johns Hopkins, has an excellent course in Science and Religion.  He has a PhD in organic chemistry and another in the history of science.  Prof. Peter Kreeft of Boston University has another excellent course in the Philosophy of Religion.

 

Either one of these may cause you to think twice before making your next round of ugly ad hominems.

 

Cheers.

See Larson, et. al. University of Georgia, 1998.  This was a repeat of a similar study (from the 1920's I believe) that produced similar results.  BTW, Larson won the Pulitzer for Summer for the Gods, an excellent book on the Scopes Monkey trial.

Uh, are you sure you want to use their study? I have read it. Christians love to say scientists believe in a god when in actuality very few do, and it depends on what area of science they're involved in.

 Deep, your wish:

At some point back before time as we know it the universe was without form. Only darkness. It had no shape because there was nothing to comprehend form. The universe was void. It had no properties such as mass or momentum Because it had no momentum there was no such thing as time. The momentum of anything requires a passing of time. For anything to have mass there must be form and cannot be void.

A cause interacted with darkness and photons were present in a vast form we now know as light. Time was at this point still non-existent because photons of light have no mass, no charge since mass requires momentum and time passage. Still there was no time passage because the only building blocks of quanta was lights itself. Symmetry was the order of the vast emptiness now filled with photons. Nothing else. Still no time.

Now the darkness moved giving birth to momentum, mass thus time. Before in the darkness there was no knowledge. With time there came knowledge. With knowledge came the universe. Then with the universe came consciousness exactly like that of the original cause. The original consciousness of the original cause gives existence to the universe and it’s components. We are such components that assigns properties to the universe by observation. Just like the cause We know as God.

Pretty simple huh? Feel free to ask questions DeepFat, about any part of this and I will explain it.

 

Except for where God the cause came from.

BTW Chuck Norris, deep is more than likely drunk at this time and since you have driven him to the precipice he expects everyone would be comfortable as a fool.

 

Pay him little attention.

       BTW Chuck Norris, deep is more than likely drunk at this time and since you have driven him to the precipice he expects everyone would be comfortable as a fool.



Pay him little attention.


Too bad you can't blame your schizophrenia/ dementia on being drunk. Poor thing, You really do need to get back on your meds RRAMM. You sure do babble on about nothing.

Of bloody course there is no single theory, because there is no theory whatever.  Thank you, sir, for answering my question.  Thank you again for demonstrating that Creationism is a superstitious fairy tale.

 

 

You kept whining for a reply, DF,  and then when you get one, this is your response.  Wonder why no one else bothered to answer you? Goes back to what I originally said. You already knew the answers before you asked the question. You just wanted another excuse to ridicule people. Maybe your atheists friends will see why no one answers these stupid questions anymore.

 

Thanks Chuck for giving it a good shot.

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The glass isn't either one.  It's full.  The part of the glass that doesn't have water in it has air.  Just because we can't see the air under usual circumstances doesn't mean it isn't there  There are many things that we can't see with our human eyes that are there, and this can be shown using other means...so that is my conclusion

I am confused who is who here.  Who is "gofish" and who is "rram" when I see neither posting?  And where did those names come from?  It gets really confusing to follow a conversation when I am not sure who is who...lol.

 Confusion reigns supreme on this forum. Feel free to add to.

 

 

I sense someone   something being "full" alright...

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What exactly do you mean?  My point is simply that there are things that human senses aren't able to detect under usual circumstances, but we still need the air we can't see as much or more than the water we can see.  It is there...not just my opinion, but it is there.  I'm not arguing for the existence and need for God nor am I saying he has to be there whether we see him or not, but simply that there are other things in the universe besides what we see with our weak human eyes.

 

So what did you mean exactly?

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frog,

You ask who is Gofish? Well……….he started out using his real name then he came up with Gofish then Cookey then Skeptic, and several others I forget, now he is Unobtanium.

He is more famously known for the quote below:

　

“I've decided to damm my own soul for your entertainment, and, perhaps, prevent Brother Bloviator from further attempts to call me to god.

According to another thread, there are unforgivable sins that, once committed, damm your soul to eternal hell with no chance of redemption.

This notion seem to come mostly from the book of Mark. According to Mark (3:28-29) "Truly I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin."

So, according to this scripture, if I utter the incantation "I deny the Holy Spirit," then my soul shall be condemned forever and perhaps Brother Bloviator will stop pestering me about getting saved.

It is exactly 8:33am on February 17th. Those of you who wish to save my poor soul have 24 hours to do so. If you fail, I shall utter the incantation at this time tomorrow morning thereby sealing my fate forever.”

Don't most forums have a rule that you can only sign up under one user name unless you legitimately change your name?  What is the point of having a name if one is posting under several. I don't understand.....

Frog,

Who is RRAM? You asked

Made a little lower than the angels he is a believer in God, a visionary and prophet.

He can spot BS at an incredible distance and by dead reckoning in a universe of proof of GOD eliminate atheist lies from it.

A scientist in all disciplines, aware there is NO reality and that everything is a conscience creation of our minds as in the image of God.

A lateral thinker armed with a triple digit IQ.

Hi Frog,

This forum a few years back allowed you to change screen names at will.  Now, when someone has  a new name it's because they were banned for some reason.

 

Unob has said he is not Gofish and I believe he is not. Totally different personality.

 

Now OKUOK, has been various forms of Ramm (Rammlinn, Rammlinn the Great, etc) along with being Buffalo, Magpie, GSman, Deep.Fat, and a few others. He has changed each time because he was banned.

 

This time around,  he is trying to sound intelligent. However, he always gives himself away by attacking me and Joy, who posts very little here now.

 

Is that all clear as mud?

A narcissistic ahole who's only scientific degree was one he printed himself. Yes, a triple digit IQ of 000. He also has absolutely no problem with bloviating and lying.

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Well, having a triple digit IQ isn't a huge accomplishment, actually..lol, but really your answer doesn't tell me much except that you might be rram?  It's nice to know Superman is on here, though...lol.

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Ahh, so basically no one's name means much at all.  So actually it's hard to take posts seriously when half the people may be arguing with themselves, now-fictional users, or both.

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Lol...a slightly different view than rram himself I see..lol.

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Well frog, Gofish gets kicked off the forum every-so-often for criminal indifference to humanity and by slight of hand resurrects himself back on the forum under disguise using another name.

One time he cussed Bro Bill and was kicked off the forum.

The cuss words still linger and at night it seems they still be heard echoing out of the bowels of hell waiting to claim the one who gave birth to them.

 

Ahh, so basically no one's name means much at all.  So actually it's hard to take posts seriously when half the people may be arguing with themselves, now-fictional users, or both.

 

You got it.

That was DF, not Gofish.  Why not tell Frog all your past transgressions oh wise and noble one?

It seems from what I've seen so far there is a fair amount of insulting and name-calling on all sides...lol.  That is kind of interesting considering it is a religion forum...lol.

frog you didn't ask but I'm going to tell you anyhows.

Well Little Mean Mama/b50m/LMM has several names herself.

She originally came on here as LITTLE MEAN MAMMA thinking she would bluff all the women on here into being scared of her but several of the nice ladies cleaned her plow right off the bat.

She showed her butt everyday, mad and swelled up like a poisoned dog until they kicked her off the forum.

Then she got kicked off as LMM and now she is this sour puss squalling cat b50m. Go figure. I’m just sayin’.

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Same difference. you blamed squeeky cat.

OK, you axed for it, NSNS.  Here is your scientific theory of creation. All of this is 100% absolutely true.

 

• First day: Light appears from nothing.  The light is divided from the darkness, and "day" and "night" are named.  Creation scientists are on the verge of announcing a major discovery that will explain how light came to be before there was a sun or stars. 
  
• Second day: God makes a firmament to divide the waters above from the waters below. The firmament is named "skies".  You see, contrary to the stupid "scientists" the earth began as a Waterworld, not a rocky, molten blob of magma.  There was no land in sight,
  
• Third day: God commands the waters below to be gathered together in one place, and dry land to appear and commands the earth to bring forth grass, plants, and fruit-bearing trees.  Another area of exciting research that will finally challenge that stupid theory of "continental drift" that atheists geologists are so fond of. 
  
• Fourth day: God puts lights in the firmament. PLOP! PLOP! PLOP! Two great lights are made to appear (most likely the Sun and Moon according to Creation scientists), and then the stars. Creation scientists are struggling to discover how the grass and trees bore fruit before there was a sun in the sky.  This is yet another Nobel prize awaiting some smart Creationist!
  
• Fifth day: God commands the sea to "teem with living creatures", and birds to fly across the heavensand commands them to be fruitful and multiply.  BOOM BABY!  All that hard work trying to understand how all life could come from a single source is gone!  God simply plonked a whole bunch of animals in the sea all at one time and told them to party on.  No more deep thought required!
  
• Sixth day: God creates humanity in His "image" and "likeness." Creation scientists are on the verge of reproducing God's process by creating a real human from clay!  Their next trick will be to produce another human from a piece of rib.  Amazing work, no?
• Seventh day: God, the most powerful being in the universe with omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent powers, is really tired after all this finger snapping and has to take a nap.

Let's make that a little more true, shall we Ramm/buff/df/gs/rammlinn/magpie/idiot/

 

I originally signed up as Little Mean Mama. Everyone started shortening it to LMM. So when the option was available, I changed it to LMM. Still same account. No ban.

 

Later during the hench broad wars, (don't worry Frog, it was better you missed it), I got caught in the crossfire and was gone.

 

I has already made the B50 account before that, so I just used it.

The only one who shows their posterior everyday is the OK U R an IDIOT OK.

 

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frog, it's the atheist' on here that bring out the worse in humans.

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My kids are home today...they are having spats, too.  So far they've fought over who built the biggest tower, who read the coolest book, who told the truth about who lost their favorite stuffed animals, who tells on who more, and who is meanest/nicest/should have the most snacks.  And I come here and people are doing basically the same things...funny, isn't it?

Uhh huh, frog b50m joined up with the black sheep and the Hench Broads cleaned her plow.

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Actually, that hasn't been my experience here or in life.  It seems to me that people of all persuasions can be hateful or wonderful, and that just because someone doesn't directly call people awful names doesn't mean there isn't hateful energy sent out.  One group of people seldom cause all the problems from what I've seen.

frog you are right of course.

 

 

So true. LOL   All you are doing on here is swapping kids who act like kids to adults who act like kids. I would guess your kids are the more mature.

PS: Play with your kids Frog.  It's healthier. This back and forth stuff goes on all the time.

 

Read a book. Watch a movie. Explain rain. Make a cake. All better than this crap.

 

Well Ramm, I've got things to do. Play with yourself.

i'm going to the marina. come on down . Enjoyed your torture.