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This is an interesting article about some big dates in United States history that rolled back freedom. I don’t agree with all of them…but I’ll quote the dates and some his reasoning’s…you can read the entire article HERE


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April 9, 1865

This is the date when General Robert E. Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to U.S. Grant at Appomattox Court House, Virginia. Regardless of where one comes down on the subject of the Civil War, one fact is undeniable: Abraham Lincoln forever destroyed the Jeffersonian model of federalism in America. Ever since, virtually every battle that free men have fought for the principles of limited government, State sovereignty, etc., have all stemmed directly from Lincoln's usurpation of power, which resulted in the subjugation and forced union of what used to be "Free and Independent States" (the Declaration of Independence).

July 9, 1868

This is the date when the 14th Amendment was ratified. This amendment codified into law what Lincoln had forced at bayonet point. Until then, people were only deemed citizens of their respective states. The Constitution nowhere referred to people as "US citizens." It only recognized "the Citizens of each State." Notice also that citizenship was only recognized among the "several States," not among people living in non-State territories. Until the 14th Amendment, people were "Citizens of each State." (Article. IV. Section. 2. Paragraph. 1.) The 14th Amendment created a whole new class of persons: "citizens of the United States." This false notion of "one nation" overturned the Jeffersonian principle that our nation was a confederated republic, a voluntary union of states.

February 3, 1913

This is the date when the 16th Amendment was ratified, and the direct income tax and IRS were instituted. This was a flagrant repudiation of freedom principles! What began as a temporary measure to support the War of Northern Aggression became a permanent income revenue stream for an unconstitutional -- and ever-growing -- central government.

April 8, 1913

This is the date when the 17th Amendment was ratified. This amendment overturned the power of the State legislatures to elect their own senators and replaced it with a direct, popular vote. This was another serious blow against State sovereignty. The framers of the Constitution desired that the influence and power in Washington, D.C., be kept as close to the people and states as possible...when it came to the US Senate, the framers also recognized the authority of each State legislature to select its own senators, thereby keeping power and influence from aggregating in Washington, D.C.

December 23, 1913

This is the date when the Federal Reserve Act was passed. This Act placed oversight of America's financial matters into the hands of a cabal of private international bankers, who have completely destroyed the constitutional principles of sound money and (for the most part) free enterprise.

June 26, 1945

This is the date when the United Nations Charter was signed and America joined the push for global government. Ever since, US forces have spilled untold amounts of blood and sacrificed thousands of lives promoting the UN's agenda. Since the end of World War II, in virtually every war in which US military forces have been engaged, it has been at the behest of the UN. And it is also no accident that America has not fought a constitutionally declared war since we entered the UN -- and neither have we won one.

June 25, 1962, and June 17, 1963

These are the dates when the US Supreme Court removed prayer (�62) and Bible reading (�63) from public schools. At this point, these two Supreme Court decisions were the most serious affront to the First Amendment in US history. Think of it: from before a union of states was established in 1787, children had been free to pray and read the Scriptures in school. We're talking about a period of more than 300 years!

October 22, 1968

This is the date when President Lyndon Baines Johnson signed the Gun Control Act of 1968. Before this Act, the 2nd Amendment was alive and well in the United States. The Gun Control Act of 1968 turned a right into a privilege and forever forced the American people to bow to the altar of government when seeking to arm themselves. Interestingly enough, this Gun Control Act mirrored Nazi Germany's Gun Control Act of 1938. In fact, the Gun Control Act of 1968 is almost a verbatim copy of Hitler's Gun Control Act of 1938.

January 22, 1973

This is the date when the US Supreme Court issued the Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton decisions, which, in effect, legalized abortion-on-demand. These two decisions expunged the Jeffersonian principle that all men are endowed by their Creator with the unalienable right to life (Declaration)...And once again, another Jeffersonian principle was eviscerated. He said, "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."

October 26, 2001

This is the date when President George W. Bush signed the USA Patriot Act, and the federal government's war against individual liberty began in earnest. Most of the unconstitutional eavesdropping, snooping, wiretapping, phone call intercepting, email reading, prying, financial records tracking, travel watching, ad infinitum, ad nauseam, by federal police agencies began with the implementation of the Patriot Act.

October 17, 2006, and October 9, 2009

These are the dates when President G.W. Bush signed and re-signed the Military Commissions Act. This Act is the outgrowth of the Patriot Act but has, in effect, terminated the fundamental protections of individual liberty, which are found in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. For all intents and purposes, the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act eviscerated the 4th and 5th Amendments, and do serious injury to several others.

March 21 and 23, 2010

These are the dates when Congress passed and President Obama signed into law the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act," the so-called "health care reform" bill that we spoke about at the beginning of this column. While Social Security and various Welfare programs have toyed with socialism in the United States, this bill is the largest and most expansive endorsement of socialism in American history. This bill socializes some 18% of the US economy by socializing the health care industry in America. The fallout and ramifications of this bill are going to be horrific.
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Or is it that "destroyed" means, to you an your ilk, that something happened in America that went against the grain of your particular political bisases? Probably.


Would "destroyed small government and individual freedom" have made it better? Why is the "bias" to have the maximum amount of personal and economic liberty preferable to a "bias" toward less?
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Originally posted by beternU:
That's funny; I have lived in America for a long, long time and I have not yet noticed that is has been destroyed.

Or is it that "destroyed" means, to you an your ilk, that something happened in America that went against the grain of your particular political bisases? Probably.


What is happening in California will be happening nationally in 3-4 years. this health care plan will stick the states with billions in new expenses.
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
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Originally posted by beternU:
That's funny; I have lived in America for a long, long time and I have not yet noticed that is has been destroyed.

Or is it that "destroyed" means, to you an your ilk, that something happened in America that went against the grain of your particular political bisases? Probably.


What is happening in California will be happening nationally in 3-4 years. this health care plan will stick the states with billions in new expenses.


It will be a chain-reaction. As the welfare bill causes a problem, the only solution will be another government program which will cause another problem resulting in another government program which will of course cause another series of problems.....I think the course is obvious.
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Originally posted by kperk014:
It will be a chain-reaction. As the welfare bill causes a problem, the only solution will be another government program which will cause another problem resulting in another government program which will of course cause another series of problems.....I think the course is obvious.


Have you notice how quickly the "news" has switched to "reducing" mortgage balances for those upside down in their homes? What's next, a three BR, 2bath suburbian home for everyone? Even China doesn't do that, they build row after row of high rise apartments for their "citizens". Of course those who refuse to work in the government factories either are killed or banished to the countryside to live in a hut with no socialistic support.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Sometimes drastic national security events require drastic measures. Can you imagine what probably would have happened without Bush's measures? Of course I know I'll hear from the "prove it" crowd the same way Truman heard "prove it" from the anti-atomic bomb crowd.


Spoken like a true fascist.


Most American's on both ends of the spectrum supported the invasion of Afghanistan and toppling of the taliban. Most of the world, including many Muslims agreed. It was Dub's insistence on finishing what Daddy should have done years before that divided not only this country but the entire world. We should have gone into Afghanistan done the job and had the men & women in Uniform home years ago.
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Originally posted by Jon:
Most American's on both ends of the spectrum supported the invasion of Afghanistan and toppling of the taliban. Most of the world, including many Muslims agreed. It was Dub's insistence on finishing what Daddy should have done years before that divided not only this country but the entire world. We should have gone into Afghanistan done the job and had the men & women in Uniform home years ago.


What does this have to do with anything? Weren't we talking about the Patriot Act?

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Of course those who refuse to work in the government factories either are killed or banished to the countryside to live in a hut with no socialistic support.


Umm...no. China still has its issues, but that kind of thing ended decades ago.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Sometimes drastic national security events require drastic measures. Can you imagine what probably would have happened without Bush's measures? Of course I know I'll hear from the "prove it" crowd the same way Truman heard "prove it" from the anti-atomic bomb crowd.


Spoken like a true fascist.


Spoken like a true nut with his head up his wazoo. Smiler In case you haven't noticed, we aren't in the old days of going against the German army or the Japanese army. We are facing an enemy that wears on uniforms and observes no military rules and they are INSIDE our country. Fighting them the OLD way would have meant more destroyed buildings and thousands more dead American civilians. Would you prefer that? Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by Jon:
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Originally posted by kperk014:
It will be a chain-reaction. As the welfare bill causes a problem, the only solution will be another government program which will cause another problem resulting in another government program which will of course cause another series of problems.....I think the course is obvious.


Have you notice how quickly the "news" has switched to "reducing" mortgage balances for those upside down in their homes? What's next, a three BR, 2bath suburbian home for everyone? Even China doesn't do that, they build row after row of high rise apartments for their "citizens". Of course those who refuse to work in the government factories either are killed or banished to the countryside to live in a hut with no socialistic support.


Yep, I just saw where osama is going to see to it that HIS constituents don't lose their houses. Get ready to pony-up some more, America.
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Originally posted by TheMeInTeam:
What does this have to do with anything? Weren't we talking about the Patriot Act?

I thought we were talking about what is destroying America. It is the extremist views in "both" parties. Bush was no better than Obama. We had many years of solid economic growth in the years when neither party had control over the entire Congress and White house. Bi-partisianship is the dirtiest word in the world when talking about the Democrats and Republicans. We were much better of with no legislation making it through to "Law"

Umm...no. China still has its issues, but that kind of thing ended decades ago.


You my friend are mistaken. True they are desperately working to privitize the economy(opposite to the US) but they still have firm control over every aspect of life there. Soon there will be a role reversal, the socialist countries are moving away from socialism towards capitolism becasue they've learned socialism doesn't work. And as we argue over Democratic socialists and Republican Fascists our national debt continues to grow under both parties, and the media loves it, nothing sells news better than a good fight.
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We are facing an enemy that wears on uniforms and observes no military rules and they are INSIDE our country. Fighting them the OLD way would have meant more destroyed buildings and thousands more dead American civilians. Would you prefer that?


Is there no crossed line with you? Can the government do whatever they want in the name of national security, and then brag years later than since no more buildings were blown-up their plan worked perfectly?
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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We are facing an enemy that wears on uniforms and observes no military rules and they are INSIDE our country. Fighting them the OLD way would have meant more destroyed buildings and thousands more dead American civilians. Would you prefer that?


Is there no crossed line with you? Can the government do whatever they want in the name of national security, and then brag years later than since no more buildings were blown-up their plan worked perfectly?


Answer my question. Would you prefer thousands of dead Americans? It WOULD have happened.
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Originally posted by Jon:
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Sometimes drastic national security events require drastic measures. Can you imagine what probably would have happened without Bush's measures? Of course I know I'll hear from the "prove it" crowd the same way Truman heard "prove it" from the anti-atomic bomb crowd.


Spoken like a true fascist.


Most American's on both ends of the spectrum supported the invasion of Afghanistan and toppling of the taliban. Most of the world, including many Muslims agreed. It was Dub's insistence on finishing what Daddy should have done years before that divided not only this country but the entire world. We should have gone into Afghanistan done the job and had the men & women in Uniform home years ago.


Well I don't think perk and dolemitejb are talking about the Middle East invasions. Of course that has been debated repeatedly.

This is the Bush measures quoted in original post that (I assume) perk was talking about...and dolemitejb disagrees with:

"This is the date when President George W. Bush signed the USA Patriot Act, and the federal government's war against individual liberty began in earnest. Most of the unconstitutional eavesdropping, snooping, wiretapping, phone call intercepting, email reading, prying, financial records tracking, travel watching, ad infinitum, ad nauseam, by federal police agencies began with the implementation of the Patriot Act."
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Originally posted by kperk014:
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Sometimes drastic national security events require drastic measures. Can you imagine what probably would have happened without Bush's measures? Of course I know I'll hear from the "prove it" crowd the same way Truman heard "prove it" from the anti-atomic bomb crowd.


Spoken like a true fascist.


Spoken like a true nut with his head up his wazoo. Smiler In case you haven't noticed, we aren't in the old days of going against the German army or the Japanese army. We are facing an enemy that wears on uniforms and observes no military rules and they are INSIDE our country. Fighting them the OLD way would have meant more destroyed buildings and thousands more dead American civilians. Would you prefer that? Roll Eyes
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When we were going through the Civil War...arguably the most domestic disruption we've ever had, Lincoln suspended "habeus corpus"...citing reasons of uprising and rebellion. The SCOTUS later said this fundemental right should never be taken away...and should especially be upheld during wartime...the time it could be most easily abused.

Saying we have to give up our most basics rights...to save our most basic rights is just silly...and dare I say UN-American.
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Originally posted by kperk014:
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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We are facing an enemy that wears on uniforms and observes no military rules and they are INSIDE our country. Fighting them the OLD way would have meant more destroyed buildings and thousands more dead American civilians. Would you prefer that?


Is there no crossed line with you? Can the government do whatever they want in the name of national security, and then brag years later than since no more buildings were blown-up their plan worked perfectly?


Answer my question. Would you prefer thousands of dead Americans? It WOULD have happened.


Answer this question...you and many others...me included...believe the Federal government is horrible at running healthcare, education, the economy, etc. How do you come to the conclusion that the very same government is infallable when it comes to security/foriegn policy?
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Answer my question. Would you prefer thousands of dead Americans? It WOULD have happened.


You are assuming that Bush's actions prevented an attack that was inevitable had he not taken the measures he did. You also assume that they lack of an attack is ironclad proof that this is true. That is one step away from me assuming that my car keys keep monsters away because I've never seen a monster when I had my car keys.
Tom Ridge admitted that the threat levels were raised and lowered based on political expediency. When they needed legislation, we suddenly had a terror cell arrested. When they needed to get the people in line, raise the terror threat.

Bush's presidency was no better in anyway than what's going on today. And I abhor whats going on now.
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Originally posted by Jon:
You my friend are mistaken. True they are desperately working to privitize the economy(opposite to the US) but they still have firm control over every aspect of life there.


Have you even read anything about China since the 1960s? Yes, during Mao's day China was totalitarian state where the communist party did literally control every aspect of people's lives, but nowadays as long as Chinese people don't criticize the government, the government pretty much leaves them alone (i.e. they're still authoritarian but no longer totalitarian). Your assertion that people in China today who refuse to work are killed or banished is so ludicrous I don't even know where to begin. If you refuse to work then you get fired and someone replaces you, because there are literally millions of people in China who probably would like your job. It's not like China has such a shortage of labor that they have to punish people who won't work.

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the socialist countries are moving away from socialism towards capitalism becasue they've learned socialism doesn't work.


That's definitely true, at least in China's case (other places like Venezuela apparently haven't learned it yet). 30 years ago, it was impossible for the Chinese leadership not to see that with so many examples staring them in the face (not just us, but places like Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Japan too), and their transition to more of a market economy is unquestionably the reason for the remarkable economic progress China has made in the past three decades.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheMeInTeam:
Have you even read anything about China since the 1960s? [QUOTE]

Not only have I read about it, I've been there and seen first hand what happens. I've heard the cries of workers who were maimed in the factories. I've seen them begging on the street because the socialist government no longer will support them because they cannot work. I've witnessed the public trials in the streets. You are right, as long as the government has a use for them and they toe the line, life isn't too bad for them. Keep giving up our rights and freedoms piece by piece and you'll soon see. Socialism only needs the support of the people until they have complete control.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Answer my question. Would you prefer thousands of dead Americans? It WOULD have happened.


You are assuming that Bush's actions prevented an attack that was inevitable had he not taken the measures he did. You also assume that they lack of an attack is ironclad proof that this is true. That is one step away from me assuming that my car keys keep monsters away because I've never seen a monster when I had my car keys.


Let's look at it this way. What if we didn't have the Patriot Act and the muslim terrorists, just for practice, set off a nuclear device in Florence. Most of the population is wiped out including your family members and friends but you survive. Would your reaction be:
A. Well, that sucked but at least Bush didn't compromise some of my rights.
B. That SOB Bush! He should have done ANYTHING it took to find out what these SOBs were up to.
The military commission courts approved by congress and signed by Bush on October 9, 2009 is allowed by the constitution. This is the same system we used to convict German spies in WWII. Similarly, they were used to try spies and saboteurs throughout our history.

With a few exceptions, US citizens were not tried under these courts. The assassins of Lincoln being the most notable.
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by kperk014:
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Sometimes drastic national security events require drastic measures. Can you imagine what probably would have happened without Bush's measures? Of course I know I'll hear from the "prove it" crowd the same way Truman heard "prove it" from the anti-atomic bomb crowd.


Spoken like a true fascist.


Spoken like a true nut with his head up his wazoo. Smiler In case you haven't noticed, we aren't in the old days of going against the German army or the Japanese army. We are facing an enemy that wears on uniforms and observes no military rules and they are INSIDE our country. Fighting them the OLD way would have meant more destroyed buildings and thousands more dead American civilians. Would you prefer that? Roll Eyes
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When we were going through the Civil War...arguably the most domestic disruption we've ever had, Lincoln suspended "habeus corpus"...citing reasons of uprising and rebellion. The SCOTUS later said this fundemental right should never be taken away...and should especially be upheld during wartime...the time it could be most easily abused.

Saying we have to give up our most basics rights...to save our most basic rights is just silly...and dare I say UN-American.


And you're silly if you think the world is full of honorable, law-abiding people who won't and don't take advantage our freedoms in order to kill us. In a perfect world, the Patriot Act wouldn't have been passed, then again in a perfect world, obama and his boys wouldn't have blown up the WTC, killing 3,000 people.
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Let's look at it this way. What if we didn't have the Patriot Act and the muslim terrorists, just for practice, set off a nuclear device in Florence. Most of the population is wiped out including your family members and friends but you survive. Would your reaction be:
A. Well, that sucked but at least Bush didn't compromise some of my rights.
B. That SOB Bush! He should have done ANYTHING it took to find out what these SOBs were up to.


My first question would be, "how did my government fail at protecting me?" It would not be, "how much more authority can I give the government?" The resources were in place pre-9/11 to protect us. Those resources failed. I'm not trying to blame anyone in particular, but I'm not eager to give those same people more resources when they couldn't use the ones they had.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Let's look at it this way. What if we didn't have the Patriot Act and the muslim terrorists, just for practice, set off a nuclear device in Florence. Most of the population is wiped out including your family members and friends but you survive. Would your reaction be:
A. Well, that sucked but at least Bush didn't compromise some of my rights.
B. That SOB Bush! He should have done ANYTHING it took to find out what these SOBs were up to.


My first question would be, "how did my government fail at protecting me?" It would not be, "how much more authority can I give the government?" The resources were in place pre-9/11 to protect us. Those resources failed. I'm not trying to blame anyone in particular, but I'm not eager to give those same people more resources when they couldn't use the ones they had.


Problem is, the techniques of old do not work on this type of enemy especially with so many liberal judges throughout America.
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Originally posted by kperk014:
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Let's look at it this way. What if we didn't have the Patriot Act and the muslim terrorists, just for practice, set off a nuclear device in Florence. Most of the population is wiped out including your family members and friends but you survive. Would your reaction be:
A. Well, that sucked but at least Bush didn't compromise some of my rights.
B. That SOB Bush! He should have done ANYTHING it took to find out what these SOBs were up to.


My first question would be, "how did my government fail at protecting me?" It would not be, "how much more authority can I give the government?" The resources were in place pre-9/11 to protect us. Those resources failed. I'm not trying to blame anyone in particular, but I'm not eager to give those same people more resources when they couldn't use the ones they had.


Problem is, the techniques of old do not work on this type of enemy especially with so many liberal judges throughout America.


Liberal judges had nothing to do with 9/11. I remember a year before that there were warnings coming out about supposed Al Qaeda plans to hijack planes and crash them.

There was either a complete meltdown of our intelligence or it was planned and allowed by those in our intelligence agancies.
I vote the latter.
The plane crashes were predicted for the Philippines. It was government buildings reported in danger of attack in the US (but not from plane crashes). The twin towers were not government buildings.

Previous administrations destroyed the CIAs humint capacity for decades. Remember Clinton's restrictions against agents using disreputable characters! Bush built it up for a time, but Obama has field agents checking with lawyers before they do anything.
And I think your point is, That when those laws were enacted, there were some as the Republicans now, who think this Health Reform Bill will destroy our nation. But will be added to this list, and when looked back upon through history, will be seen as another great day for America.
I could not agree more.
Yes, a great day. AT+T, Cat Corp, Verizon, and many large Corps just filed with their Unions etc a Cash cost to them in the Billions. Once again the Workers are robbed of cash from their own pockets that they got up at 5:30 every morning to go to work to feed their own family and now the non workers get free everything paid for by the Workers. Germany just told the lazy people of Greece to get up early and go to work and pay your debt. Lazy Greece is dragging down the Euro economy, When the government tells Doctors to see 30 people per day at a payment of $4.00 per person, they will quit. The paperwork per person will be impossible. The paperwork for the Doctor will be impossible. Already Walgreens will not fill government prescriptions because Obama pays $5.00 for a $30.00 prescription. So the Government gives your old mom and dad large amounts of the wrong medicine and kills them. Just like the free medical system did to my parents in CANADA. Sin tax, luxury tax, entertainment tax, all taxes in CANADA are horrendous. Yet there were no beds for my dying dad. Nine ambulances outside the hospital emergency room with dying patients in them for 72 hours at 30 below zero running, burning fuel to keep warm, because there are no beds because they are full and there is no money to repair, or build hospitals and the good Doctors moved to the States. Where are the American doctors going to move to. Germany? You can not make Doctors slaves of a Government and expect them to perform at the same level as a Doctor in the Free Enterprise System. I could go on for hours but Government run anything doesn't.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
The plane crashes were predicted for the Philippines. It was government buildings reported in danger of attack in the US (but not from plane crashes). The twin towers were not government buildings.

Those warnings were also about blowing up planes over the oceans. The warnings were non specific, but did include the prospect of crashing into buildings.

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Previous administrations destroyed the CIAs humint capacity for decades. Remember Clinton's restrictions against agents using disreputable characters! Bush built it up for a time, but Obama has field agents checking with lawyers before they do anything.


Is that why you and Howard were without jobs for awhile?
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Originally posted by Saddle Burns:
Yes, a great day. AT+T, Cat Corp, Verizon, and many large Corps just filed with their Unions etc a Cash cost to them in the Billions. Once again the Workers are robbed of cash from their own pockets that they got up at 5:30 every morning to go to work to feed their own family and now the non workers get free everything paid for by the Workers. Germany just told the lazy people of Greece to get up early and go to work and pay your debt. Lazy Greece is dragging down the Euro economy, When the government tells Doctors to see 30 people per day at a payment of $4.00 per person, they will quit. The paperwork per person will be impossible. The paperwork for the Doctor will be impossible. Already Walgreens will not fill government prescriptions because Obama pays $5.00 for a $30.00 prescription. So the Government gives your old mom and dad large amounts of the wrong medicine and kills them. Just like the free medical system did to my parents in CANADA. Sin tax, luxury tax, entertainment tax, all taxes in CANADA are horrendous. Yet there were no beds for my dying dad. Nine ambulances outside the hospital emergency room with dying patients in them for 72 hours at 30 below zero running, burning fuel to keep warm, because there are no beds because they are full and there is no money to repair, or build hospitals and the good Doctors moved to the States. Where are the American doctors going to move to. Germany? You can not make Doctors slaves of a Government and expect them to perform at the same level as a Doctor in the Free Enterprise System. I could go on for hours but Government run anything doesn't.


You are EXACTLY right! Take the incentive away from people and their desire goes with it.
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
I believe that was when he used it in states not in rebellion and not invaded such as Ohio, Indiana, and New York. He rounded the "Copperheads" up and closed their presses.


After the war, the Supreme Court officially restored habeas corpus in Ex parte Milligan (1866), ruling that trials of civilians by presidentially created military commissions are unconstitutional...It wasn't just in states "not in rebellion"...It was as long as the courts were up and running, habeas corpus should not be denied.

As far as the "states in rebellion"...well that is an argument for another day...

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