Dear Winnie the Bill

quote:

Originally posted by Hammerhead:
Dear Mr. Gray,
I agree with your Christian principles, but if you are truly wanting to reach people consider the following suggestions. I suggest these with the best of intentions.
1. Do not make your posts so darn long. No one is going to suffer through that much babble.
2.Don't be an ass hole
3.Quit posting those dang stupid pictures like Winnie the Pooh. They make you seem autistic.
4.Really, don't be an ass hole.
5.Quit bashing other denominations and focus your attention on those without belief in God.
6. DON'T BE AN ASS HOLE!

Your FRAN,
Hammerhead

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Another direct hit Hammer.


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quote:

Originally posted by Hammerhead:
Dear Mr. Gray, I agree with your Christian principles, but if you are truly wanting to reach people consider the following suggestions. I suggest these with the best of intentions.
1. Do not make your posts so darn long. No one is going to suffer through that much babble.
2. Don't be an ass hole
3. Quit posting those dang stupid pictures like Winnie the Pooh. They make you seem autistic.
4. Really, don't be an ass hole.
5. Quit bashing other denominations and focus your attention on those without belief in God.
6. DON'T BE AN ASS HOLE!

Your FRAN, Hammerhead

Hi Head,

Actually I liked you old posting name better -- but, we do what we must. Now, to take a look at your "self improvement" suggestions:

1. I have a Friend like you that gets confused after the first two sentences. Long reads, i.e., three sentences or longer, tax his brain. When he suggested, as you did, that I shorten my writings -- I sent an e-mail to all in my Friends Ministry eNewsletter mail list asking their opinion. Every single person who responded told me to leave my writings alone and do not alter the format, style, or length. Being democratic (but, voting Republican, most often) -- I allow the majority to rule. Like I tell my other Friend -- after two sentences, go lay down, rest a while -- and then come back and read two more sentences. You might try the same.

2., 4., 6. Like you, my Friend, we are what we are. If you want to call me an ass hole -- so be it. I will just smile and consider the source.

3. Regarding my graphics -- many folks like them. And, those, like you who get tired after two sentences -- you have my permission to not look at my graphics. I truly am concerned about your health and do not want to burden you mental powers too much.

5. You suggest, "Quit bashing other denominations and focus your attention on those without belief in God."

I do not bash "other denominations" -- I refute false teaching from false religions, cult religions, and those who have been led down the rosy path by man-made traditions, rituals, etc.

You are right that Christian believers should be focusing on getting the Gospel message to those who are still lost in the world. But, very often, especially today when cults and false religions are so rampant -- we must first guard the unsaved from being fed erroneous doctrines and teachings. And, then, we give them the truth of the Bible.

If water (knowledge) is to flow smoothly and have a good result -- first we must clear out all the debris (false teachings) which is cluttering the path of the flow. Then, we can lead them on the path to finding "peace with God though our Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:1).

Head, thank you for your sincere concern. Now, after reading ALL of my response -- please go lay down for a while and rest.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

So really, this pompous response, Mr. Gray, begs one question:
I would really love to have your honest answer.
Do you honestly and truly beleive that you are covered in the Truth, the Armor of God, and I (for example) am not?
Answer that, if you will. And if you have time, a few more questions:
Are you a better Christian than the "rest" of us?
Do you have knowledge that your interpretation of Scripture is correct?
Do you believe that Once Saved Always Saved might lead folks to a false sense of security? Even remotely? Believing our sin are "invisible" to God is dangerous. Can you conceive that some folks might consider THAT dangerous and false doctrine, based on the fact that it may give folks free reign to sin without recourse?
You think you have all the right answers, you are so arrogant in your "teaching". Stop and ponder the possibility that you might not be God's only Child in this world.

quote:

Originally posted by vplee123:
So really, this pompous response, Mr. Gray, begs one question:
I would really love to have your honest answer.
Do you honestly and truly beleive that you are covered in the Truth, the Armor of God, and I (for example) am not?
Answer that, if you will. And if you have time, a few more questions:
Are you a better Christian than the "rest" of us?
Do you have knowledge that your interpretation of Scripture is correct?
Do you believe that Once Saved Always Saved might lead folks to a false sense of security? Even remotely? Believing our sin are "invisible" to God is dangerous. Can you conceive that some folks might consider THAT dangerous and false doctrine, based on the fact that it may give folks free reign to sin without recourse?
You think you have all the right answers, you are so arrogant in your "teaching". Stop and ponder the possibility that you might not be God's only Child in this world.

Hi VP,

Yes, I am. I cannot say about you -- for I do not know about your relationship with Jesus Christ.

No.

I do believe I have a good understanding of God's Word -- based upon over 23 years of study.

NO!!!

The Bible tells us believers are covered by the righteousness of Jesus Christ -- and God no longer sees our sins, but, only the righteousness of Christ. Is the Bible wrong?

If a person takes this to be a "get out of jail free" card -- then, that person does not truly understand God's Word -- or that person does not believe God's Word.

No, I do not always have the right answers -- but, I am working hard, daily, to gain more knowledge of God's Word and His will for our lives.

No, Praise the Lord! -- I am not!!

Now, do you have any specific Scripture verses or passages you would like to discuss?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

quote:

No, I do not always have the right answers -- but, I am working hard, daily, to gain more knowledge of God's Word and His will for our lives.

Why then, can you not humble yourself accordingly.
Believe it or not, there are people who believe in God JUST AS FIRMLY as you do.
When you spout off so assuredly all the time, belittling others, you fail to LISTEN.
When you don't listen for God's work in your life, you just may miss something.
And believe it or not, you just might learn something from your un-Baptist bretheren.

quote:

Originally posted by vplee123:

quote:

No, I do not always have the right answers -- but, I am working hard, daily, to gain more knowledge of God's Word and His will for our lives.

Why then, can you not humble yourself accordingly. Believe it or not, there are people who believe in God JUST AS FIRMLY as you do. When you spout off so assuredly all the time, belittling others, you fail to LISTEN.
When you don't listen for God's work in your life, you just may miss something. And believe it or not, you just might learn something from your un-Baptist bretheren.

Hi VP,

Refuting false or erroneous teachings on the Forum -- IS NOT belittling anyone. You tell me that I am being arrogant because I share the Bible in truth, as I understand His truth.

Are you not being equally, or more, arrogant -- declaring your Roman Catholic church to be the only Christian church -- and your Roman Catholic dogmas and traditions to be from God -- when, in fact, they are from men, the popes, and not from God?

Possibly you could grow by taking a look in the mirror.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

quote:

The Bible tells us believers are covered by the righteousness of Jesus Christ -- and God no longer sees our sins, but, only the righteousness of Christ. Is the Bible wrong?

Bill, could you show us which Bible verse(s) say that God no longer sees our sins? Thanks.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:

Are you not being equally, or more, arrogant -- declaring your Roman Catholic church to be the only Christian church -- and your Roman Catholic dogmas and traditions to be from God -- when, in fact, they are from men, the popes, and not from God?

Possibly you could grow by taking a look in the mirror.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

All of it came from men. Your bible was written and put together by men. They picked a chose what they wanted to include in it. They tossed out several letters that they didn't like. It has been translated and lost much of the meanings for lack of equivocal words. As unobtainium posted on another thread, many of the books of the bible that are attributed to certain authors are a lie. Those men didn't even write the words the bible says they did.

None of that matters anyway because it was just a book that was meant to control the masses and rule the people of that time. You people still cling to it as if it were truly handed down from heaven complete in its current form directly from God's hand. What a joke.

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Are you not being equally, or more, arrogant -- declaring your Roman Catholic church to be the only Christian church --

Never ever ever have I said that.
Kindly don't put words in my mouth.

Good post Hammer.

Bill, if you make accusations, you have to back them up.

Like your accusation of no mention of Jerusalem in the Quaran.

VP has never said the Roman Catholic church is the only one.


As for your statement:

quote:

Refuting false or erroneous teachings on the Forum

based on your interpretation of scripture Bill.

Unless God talks directly to you, you are fumbling around like the rest of us.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi VP,

Refuting false or erroneous teachings on the Forum -- IS NOT belittling anyone. You tell me that I am being arrogant because I share the Bible in truth, as I understand His truth.

Are you not being equally, or more, arrogant -- declaring your Roman Catholic church to be the only Christian church -- and your Roman Catholic dogmas and traditions to be from God -- when, in fact, they are from men, the popes, and not from God?

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

A)--billie, you don't know false teachings from somethings you say. Liar

B)No one declared Catholic the only christian church. Liar

C)You got your Bible from the Catholic church, which came from God. Liar

You belittle any and everyone, hiding behind your refuting statement.

You're a liar an a coward, a non-religious biget w/ a god complex
and a deep seeded hate thats your problem, but you want to bring it
down on many others.

The worst part is you knowingly lie about it all.


IV

Still winning hearts and minds, eh Beeg?

Oh well....Ya can't polish a turd.

quote:

Still winning hearts and minds, eh Beeg?

HAHA! Hey Road Pup! Nice to see you!
It's like a soap opera- you can tune in 3 months, and it's the same old same old.

Glad you're back!

quote:

Originally posted by Hammerhead:
Dear Mr. Gray,
I agree with your Christian principles, but if you are truly wanting to reach people consider the following suggestions. I suggest these with the best of intentions.
1. Do not make your posts so darn long. No one is going to suffer through that much babble.
2.Don't be an ass hole
3.Quit posting those dang stupid pictures like Winnie the Pooh. They make you seem autistic.
4.Really, don't be an ass hole.
5.Quit bashing other denominations and focus your attention on those without belief in God.
6. DON'T BE AN ASS HOLE!

Your FRAN,
Hammerhead

Brilliant. I'm a fan.

quote:

Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Still winning hearts and minds, eh Beeg?

Oh well....Ya can't polish a turd.

sure you can... but only reward for it is shiney sh*t.

JUST FOR MY DEAR FRIENDS, NAGEL AND PUPPY - WHO ARE TRULY OF "ONE MIND"!

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:

quote:

Originally posted by vplee123:
So really, this pompous response, Mr. Gray, begs one question:
I would really love to have your honest answer.
Do you honestly and truly beleive that you are covered in the Truth, the Armor of God, and I (for example) am not?
Answer that, if you will. And if you have time, a few more questions:
Are you a better Christian than the "rest" of us?
Do you have knowledge that your interpretation of Scripture is correct?
Do you believe that Once Saved Always Saved might lead folks to a false sense of security? Even remotely? Believing our sin are "invisible" to God is dangerous. Can you conceive that some folks might consider THAT dangerous and false doctrine, based on the fact that it may give folks free reign to sin without recourse?
You think you have all the right answers, you are so arrogant in your "teaching". Stop and ponder the possibility that you might not be God's only Child in this world.

Hi VP,

Yes, I am. I cannot say about you -- for I do not know about your relationship with Jesus Christ.

No.

I do believe I have a good understanding of God's Word -- based upon over 23 years of study.

NO!!!

The Bible tells us believers are covered by the righteousness of Jesus Christ -- and God no longer sees our sins, but, only the righteousness of Christ. Is the Bible wrong?

If a person takes this to be a "get out of jail free" card -- then, that person does not truly understand God's Word -- or that person does not believe God's Word.

No, I do not always have the right answers -- but, I am working hard, daily, to gain more knowledge of God's Word and His will for our lives.

No, Praise the Lord! -- I am not!!

Now, do you have any specific Scripture verses or passages you would like to discuss?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Hey Bill, You preach as if it's your way or the Highway to Hell.
I believe you really believe you might be the only road to rightousness. You boast proudly about your Armor of God. You claim to know a good Church from a bad Church. You say my Church(The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints) is not a Christian Church. I am semi-Bible literate. And
don't see Bill Gray in there anywhere. If only
you would of spent more of those 23yrs on your
Knees(Humbly) you might have a more personal relationship with your Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. You Boast I'm Christian and your not. My friend I do have a personal relationship
with my Savior but I know I'm not the only one.

(there is book smarts and there is common Spiritualality)

Keep marching,
Love Skippy

Hi Dwight/Skippy et al,

You tell me, "Hey Bill, You preach as if it's your way or the Highway to Hell."

No, my Friend, it is not Bill Gray's way -- it is God's way as found in His Written Word, the Bible. I agree with you that it is not found in your Book of Mormon -- for the Book of Mormon does not speak of the preexisting, eternal God -- but, instead speaks of exalted men/gods. No more need be said. The Bible is God's Word. The Book of Mormon is based upon some cave hallucination.

Then, you tell me, "I believe you really believe you might be the only road to rightousness (SIC). You boast proudly about your Armor of God."

If you knew anything about the Bible -- you, too, would be familiar with the Full Armor Of God found in Ephesians 6:10-20. And, while I do not boast -- for my salvation is a "gift" from God so that I cannot boast -- I am extremely happy to be able to daily put on the Full Armor Of God. Especially when there are Mormons in the neighborhood.

Next, you tell me, "You claim to know a good Church from a bad Church. You say my Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Later (SIC) Day Saints) is not a Christian Church."

First, my Friend, your church is the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, or some write it Latter Day Saints -- but, no one except you writes it Later Day Saints.

Second, the Bible tells us how to recognize a false (cult) church:

In 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 the apostle Paul is concerned for the people of the church in Corinth -- for false teachers had come among them teaching a false Gospel, "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different Gospel which you have not accepted -- you may well put up with it!"

Paul had the same concern for the people of Corinth when false teachers came among them -- as we Christian believers on the Religion Forum have when Mormons slither in bringing their cult religion teachings.

You say, "I am semi-Bible literate."

I will not refute that.

Then, you say, "And don't see Bill Gray in there anywhere. If only you would of spent more of those 23 yrs on your Knees (Humbly) you might have a more personal relationship with your Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. You Boast I'm Christian and your (SIC) not. My friend I do have a personal relationship with my Savior but I know I'm not the only one."

You tell me that you have a personal relationship with the Savior. That would make me extremely happy if it were true. But, so that we are all on the same page -- in your Mormon church:

WHO IS THE SAVIOR?

You say you have a personal relationship with the Savior, which most all people, even the atheists and non-believers, will say is Jesus Christ.

To you, WHO IS JESUS CHRIST?

Is He a created being -- or is He the preexisting, eternal deity of John 1:1?

Is He God the Son, deity -- or is He the created spirit brother of Lucifer/Satan?

And, to you, to the Mormon church: WHO IS GOD?

Is He the preexisting, eternal deity who "created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1)?

Or, is He an exalted man/god?

Is there only one God: manifested in three distinct Persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit?

Or, does your church have multiple, MANY, gods -- who are all exalted men/gods?

Can YOU, if you remain a good Mormon -- become a god, have your own goddess wives, live on your own planet -- and populate it with your own spirit children?

Dwight/Skippy, et al, you say you have a personal relationship with the Savior. However, it is very important to be very specific about who that Savior is -- exalted men/gods -- or the God of the Bible.

Finally, you tell me, "There is book smarts and there is common Spiritualality (SIC)."

Well, I am not sure how you define "common Spirituality" -- but, we all know that "book smarts" absolutely includes the ability to spell. So, where do you stand on these?

I have answered your question. Will YOU answer these questions for all of us -- or will you continue doing the "Mormon Two Step" to avoid answering our questions?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

MORMON TWO STEP?

quote:

Originally posted by skippy delepepper:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:

quote:

Originally posted by vplee123:
So really, this pompous response, Mr. Gray, begs one question:
I would really love to have your honest answer.
Do you honestly and truly beleive that you are covered in the Truth, the Armor of God, and I (for example) am not?
Answer that, if you will. And if you have time, a few more questions:
Are you a better Christian than the "rest" of us?
Do you have knowledge that your interpretation of Scripture is correct?
Do you believe that Once Saved Always Saved might lead folks to a false sense of security? Even remotely? Believing our sin are "invisible" to God is dangerous. Can you conceive that some folks might consider THAT dangerous and false doctrine, based on the fact that it may give folks free reign to sin without recourse?
You think you have all the right answers, you are so arrogant in your "teaching". Stop and ponder the possibility that you might not be God's only Child in this world.

Hi VP,

Yes, I am. I cannot say about you -- for I do not know about your relationship with Jesus Christ.

No.

I do believe I have a good understanding of God's Word -- based upon over 23 years of study.

NO!!!

The Bible tells us believers are covered by the righteousness of Jesus Christ -- and God no longer sees our sins, but, only the righteousness of Christ. Is the Bible wrong?

If a person takes this to be a "get out of jail free" card -- then, that person does not truly understand God's Word -- or that person does not believe God's Word.

No, I do not always have the right answers -- but, I am working hard, daily, to gain more knowledge of God's Word and His will for our lives.

No, Praise the Lord! -- I am not!!

Now, do you have any specific Scripture verses or passages you would like to discuss?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Hey Bill, You preach as if it's your way or the Highway to Hell.
I believe you really believe you might be the only road to rightousness. You boast proudly about your Armor of God. You claim to know a good Church from a bad Church. You say my Church(The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints) is not a Christian Church. I am semi-Bible literate. And
don't see Bill Gray in there anywhere. If only
you would of spent more of those 23yrs on your
Knees(Humbly) you might have a more personal relationship with your Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. You Boast I'm Christian and your not. My friend I do have a personal relationship
with my Savior but I know I'm not the only one.

(there is book smarts and there is common Spiritualality)

Keep marching,
Love Skippy

you just have to ignore bill. he's not a christian, he's a biblist. he'd stand at the gates and argue with peter about what christ said in gallilee. if he ever does meet jesus, bill will try and keep away from the dirty hippie so bill won't get dirt on his nice clean sunday best.

I think that Bill feels that he's Jesus Christ, or the Tooth fairy, same difference.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Dwight/Skippy et al,

You tell me, "Hey Bill, You preach as if it's your way or the Highway to Hell."

No, my Friend, it is not Bill Gray's way -- it is God's way as found in His Written Word, the Bible. I agree with you that it is not found in your Book of Mormon -- for the Book of Mormon does not speak of the preexisting, eternal God -- but, instead speaks of exalted men/gods. No more need be said. The Bible is God's Word. The Book of Mormon is based upon some cave hallucination.

Then, you tell me, "I believe you really believe you might be the only road to rightousness (SIC). You boast proudly about your Armor of God."

If you knew anything about the Bible -- you, too, would be familiar with the Full Armor Of God found in Ephesians 6:10-20. And, while I do not boast -- for my salvation is a "gift" from God so that I cannot boast -- I am extremely happy to be able to daily put on the Full Armor Of God. Especially when there are Mormons in the neighborhood.

Next, you tell me, "You claim to know a good Church from a bad Church. You say my Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Later (SIC) Day Saints) is not a Christian Church."

First, my Friend, your church is the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, or some write it Latter Day Saints -- but, no one except you writes it Later Day Saints.

Second, the Bible tells us how to recognize a false (cult) church:

In 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 the apostle Paul is concerned for the people of the church in Corinth -- for false teachers had come among them teaching a false Gospel, "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different Gospel which you have not accepted -- you may well put up with it!"

Paul had the same concern for the people of Corinth when false teachers came among them -- as we Christian believers on the Religion Forum have when Mormons slither in bringing their cult religion teachings.

You say, "I am semi-Bible literate."

I will not refute that.

Then, you say, "And don't see Bill Gray in there anywhere. If only you would of spent more of those 23 yrs on your Knees (Humbly) you might have a more personal relationship with your Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. You Boast I'm Christian and your (SIC) not. My friend I do have a personal relationship with my Savior but I know I'm not the only one."

You tell me that you have a personal relationship with the Savior. That would make me extremely happy if it were true. But, so that we are all on the same page -- in your Mormon church:

WHO IS THE SAVIOR?

You say you have a personal relationship with the Savior, which most all people, even the atheists and non-believers, will say is Jesus Christ.

To you, WHO IS JESUS CHRIST?

Is He a created being -- or is He the preexisting, eternal deity of John 1:1?

Is He God the Son, deity -- or is He the created spirit brother of Lucifer/Satan?

And, to you, to the Mormon church: WHO IS GOD?

Is He the preexisting, eternal deity who "created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1)?

Or, is He an exalted man/god?

Is there only one God: manifested in three distinct Persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit?

Or, does your church have multiple, MANY, gods -- who are all exalted men/gods?

Can YOU, if you remain a good Mormon -- become a god, have your own goddess wives, live on your own planet -- and populate it with your own spirit children?

Dwight/Skippy, et al, you say you have a personal relationship with the Savior. However, it is very important to be very specific about who that Savior is -- exalted men/gods -- or the God of the Bible.

Finally, you tell me, "There is book smarts and there is common Spiritualality (SIC)."

Well, I am not sure how you define "common Spirituality" -- but, we all know that "book smarts" absolutely includes the ability to spell. So, where do you stand on these?

I have answered your question. Will YOU answer these questions for all of us -- or will you continue doing the "Mormon Two Step" to avoid answering our questions?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

MORMON TWO STEP?

Dear Mr. Bill,
first of all you can't bundle all Mormon's into one Dwight. Second; where do you think Satan comes from? Did God create him separate from us? God did create everything right? That means that God is his Father right. With your attitude sir I hope you have your fire-proof suite ready to go when you die. Not that it would do you any good. Your a Pompus *#!. As far as common spirituality.(sense) You have none. You sir have no direct chain to Christ's Church except your say
so. I see nothing in the Scriptures(King James version Bible) that shows a continued line(chain) of authority connecting you to the original Christ's Church. If so show me and everyone else the chain. You are as the Jewish High Priests condemning Christ, because they were the authority and failed to see him in the scriptures as he was. You no nothing of Christianity. I see why the Christians on this forum do not care for you. I would pray for you but you think my prayers go no where. You say you don't like my spelling, well suck it up and don't read my posts.

Keep Marching'
Skippy

Hi Dwight/Skippy,

You tell me, "Dear Mr. Bill, first of all you can't bundle all Mormon's into one Dwight."

That is a statement which I am sure that virtually all Mormons, at least those who read the TimesDaily Religion Forum will support vehemently -- "Dwight does not represent Mormons!!!"

Then, you ask, "Second; where do you think Satan comes from? Did God create him separate from us? God did create everything right? That means that God is his Father right."

The Triune God -- Father, Son, Holy Spirit -- created everything. The Bible does not tells us exactly when God created the angels; but, I believe He created them before He created man. Lucifer/Satan is an angel. Does this make God the "Father" of all angels? No, not in the sense that we relate to Father.

God is the Creator of angels -- just as God is the Creator of all mankind. But, that does not make all mankind "children of God" -- nor does this make all angels "children of God." As a matter of fact, angels cannot become "children of God" -- for angels cannot receive salvation. Only we mortals can receive salvation; therefore, only we can be "children of God."

Next, you tell me, "With your attitude sir I hope you have your fire-proof suite (SIC) ready to go when you die. Not that it would do you any good. Your (SIC) a Pompus (SIC) *#! (SIC). As far as common spirituality (sense) You have none."

My, my -- are they teaching this approach in the Mormon School of Evangelism now? But, let me ask you -- how does "common sense" relate to "spirituality"?

Then, you declare, "You sir have no direct chain to Christ's Church except your say so. I see nothing in the Scriptures (King James version Bible) that shows a continued line (chain) of authority connecting you to the original Christ's Church. If so show me and everyone else the chain."

An interesting concept: you see nothing in the Bible which would include Bill Gray in the family of God. Yet, you do see yourself and all other mortals included. I wonder how that happens when YOU are NOT a Christian?

Yes, my Friend, the Christian church began on the Day of Pentecost, 32 or 33 AD. The Holy Spirit came upon the 120 disciples waiting and praying in the Upper Room -- the first Holy Spirit indwelling of Christians. The eleven apostles, possibly even some other disciples, went out and spoke to the crowd which gathered because if the noise/commotion caused when the Holy Spirit came.

The apostles/disciples preached the Gospel to the curious crowd, and that day 3000 were added to the body of Christ, the Christian church. A few days later, the apostles once again preached the Gospel -- and 4000 more were added to the body of Christ. That, my Friend, began the Christian church -- and, today, I worship in the same church -- the body of Christ -- worldwide.

Next, you tell me, "You are as the Jewish High Priests condemning Christ, because they were the authority and failed to see him in the scriptures as he was."

No, my Friend, I know EXACTLY who Jesus Christ is -- my personal Lord and Savior. And, in John 1:1, I am told, beyond all doubt, that He IS the preexisting, eternal Son of God, deity. He is God! He is not some exalted man/god of Mormonism -- but, the preexisting deity who created all the universe.

You declare, "You no (SIC) nothing of Christianity. I see why the Christians on this forum do not care for you. I would pray for you but you think my prayers go no where."

I will admit that I have been a student of the Bible for only 23 years -- and, every day, I learn something new. Every day I grow in my knowledge of God's Word. And, praise God, I will be learning for eternity. Why do I say this? Well, if I, or any person, ever got to the point that we know everything, that there is nothing more we can learn -- then, we would be Gods. And, anyone with any knowledge of God's Word knows that mortal men CANNOT become God or gods.

Would I cherish your prayers? Yes, if they are directed to the preexisting, eternal God who created us. But, if your prayers are going to exalted men/gods -- you might as well be spitting into the wind; for that is about all the results you will get.

Finally, you tell me, "You say you don't like my spelling, well suck it up and don't read my posts."

No, my Friend, I find you spelling comical. For a person to claim to be as knowledgeable about a subject as you do about Mormonism and religion; for a person to create a Blog Site and invite people to come read his blogs -- for that person to have not even the common knowledge of English spelling and punctuation -- is truly comical. So, please keep it up. With all the contention we have on the Religion Forum -- we definitely do need the comic relief.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by vplee123:
So really, this pompous response, Mr. Gray, begs one question:
I would really love to have your honest answer.
Do you honestly and truly beleive that you are covered in the Truth, the Armor of God, and I (for example) am not?
Answer that, if you will. And if you have time, a few more questions:
Are you a better Christian than the "rest" of us?
Do you have knowledge that your interpretation of Scripture is correct?
Do you believe that Once Saved Always Saved might lead folks to a false sense of security? Even remotely? Believing our sin are "invisible" to God is dangerous. Can you conceive that some folks might consider THAT dangerous and false doctrine, based on the fact that it may give folks free reign to sin without recourse?
You think you have all the right answers, you are so arrogant in your "teaching". Stop and ponder the possibility that you might not be God's only Child in this world.

V, more & more every day, with every post that Bill makes, I truly shake my head in amazement. It's sad but I think that he believes all the junk he writes. All you can do for someone like him is either ignore him or pray for him that God will open his eyes.
I hope you're feeling better & doing well.

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No, my Friend, I find you spelling comical. For a person to claim to be as knowledgeable about a subject as you do about Mormonism and religion; for a person to create a Blog Site and invite people to come read his blogs -- for that person to have not even the common knowledge of English spelling and punctuation -- is truly comical. So, please keep it up. With all the contention we have on the Religion Forum -- we definitely do need the comic relief.

Should be "find your" spelling bill. He posts nothing any more off the wall than you do bill. And you can be quite amusing too.

quote:

Originally posted by skippy delepepper:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Dwight/Skippy et al,

You tell me, "Hey Bill, You preach as if it's your way or the Highway to Hell."

No, my Friend, it is not Bill Gray's way -- it is God's way as found in His Written Word, the Bible. I agree with you that it is not found in your Book of Mormon -- for the Book of Mormon does not speak of the preexisting, eternal God -- but, instead speaks of exalted men/gods. No more need be said. The Bible is God's Word. The Book of Mormon is based upon some cave hallucination.

Then, you tell me, "I believe you really believe you might be the only road to rightousness (SIC). You boast proudly about your Armor of God."

If you knew anything about the Bible -- you, too, would be familiar with the Full Armor Of God found in Ephesians 6:10-20. And, while I do not boast -- for my salvation is a "gift" from God so that I cannot boast -- I am extremely happy to be able to daily put on the Full Armor Of God. Especially when there are Mormons in the neighborhood.

Next, you tell me, "You claim to know a good Church from a bad Church. You say my Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Later (SIC) Day Saints) is not a Christian Church."

First, my Friend, your church is the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, or some write it Latter Day Saints -- but, no one except you writes it Later Day Saints.

Second, the Bible tells us how to recognize a false (cult) church:

In 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 the apostle Paul is concerned for the people of the church in Corinth -- for false teachers had come among them teaching a false Gospel, "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different Gospel which you have not accepted -- you may well put up with it!"

Paul had the same concern for the people of Corinth when false teachers came among them -- as we Christian believers on the Religion Forum have when Mormons slither in bringing their cult religion teachings.

You say, "I am semi-Bible literate."

I will not refute that.

Then, you say, "And don't see Bill Gray in there anywhere. If only you would of spent more of those 23 yrs on your Knees (Humbly) you might have a more personal relationship with your Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. You Boast I'm Christian and your (SIC) not. My friend I do have a personal relationship with my Savior but I know I'm not the only one."

You tell me that you have a personal relationship with the Savior. That would make me extremely happy if it were true. But, so that we are all on the same page -- in your Mormon church:

WHO IS THE SAVIOR?

You say you have a personal relationship with the Savior, which most all people, even the atheists and non-believers, will say is Jesus Christ.

To you, WHO IS JESUS CHRIST?

Is He a created being -- or is He the preexisting, eternal deity of John 1:1?

Is He God the Son, deity -- or is He the created spirit brother of Lucifer/Satan?

And, to you, to the Mormon church: WHO IS GOD?

Is He the preexisting, eternal deity who "created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1)?

Or, is He an exalted man/god?

Is there only one God: manifested in three distinct Persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit?

Or, does your church have multiple, MANY, gods -- who are all exalted men/gods?

Can YOU, if you remain a good Mormon -- become a god, have your own goddess wives, live on your own planet -- and populate it with your own spirit children?

Dwight/Skippy, et al, you say you have a personal relationship with the Savior. However, it is very important to be very specific about who that Savior is -- exalted men/gods -- or the God of the Bible.

Finally, you tell me, "There is book smarts and there is common Spiritualality (SIC)."

Well, I am not sure how you define "common Spirituality" -- but, we all know that "book smarts" absolutely includes the ability to spell. So, where do you stand on these?

I have answered your question. Will YOU answer these questions for all of us -- or will you continue doing the "Mormon Two Step" to avoid answering our questions?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

MORMON TWO STEP?

Dear Mr. Bill,
first of all you can't bundle all Mormon's into one Dwight. Second; where do you think Satan comes from? Did God create him separate from us? God did create everything right? That means that God is his Father right. With your attitude sir I hope you have your fire-proof suite ready to go when you die. Not that it would do you any good. Your a Pompus *#!. As far as common spirituality.(sense) You have none. You sir have no direct chain to Christ's Church except your say
so. I see nothing in the Scriptures(King James version Bible) that shows a continued line(chain) of authority connecting you to the original Christ's Church. If so show me and everyone else the chain. You are as the Jewish High Priests condemning Christ, because they were the authority and failed to see him in the scriptures as he was. You no nothing of Christianity. I see why the Christians on this forum do not care for you. I would pray for you but you think my prayers go no where. You say you don't like my spelling, well suck it up and don't read my posts.

Keep Marching'
Skippy

I don't think Bill is the only one who sees the multitude of similarities in you and Dwight.

quote:

Originally posted by Jennifer:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:
No, my Friend, I find you spelling comical. For a person to claim to be as knowledgeable about a subject as you do about Mormonism and religion; for a person to create a Blog Site and invite people to come read his blogs -- for that person to have not even the common knowledge of English spelling and punctuation -- is truly comical. So, please keep it up. With all the contention we have on the Religion Forum -- we definitely do need the comic relief.

Should be "find your" spelling bill. He posts nothing any more off the wall than you do bill. And you can be quite amusing too.

Hi Jennifer,

You are correct. Thank you for that typo correction. It is funny that this is one typo I make frequently -- and one of the things I typically look for when I proof read my writings. For some reason, my finger just forgets to get that final "R" key. Not sure if my fingers are faster than my brain -- or if my brain is running ahead and forgets to keep going all the way to that final "R." I guess I just cannot catch them all.

It reminds me of a time, in 1998, when I was looking for a job. I prepared my resume, proofed it, did a spell check, etc. -- and then sent out about thirty resumes. Later that day, I walked over to my wife's office in Newport Beach and was talking with a Friend who worked with her. Dan read my resume and pointed out one small typo error. I had intended to type Regional Sales Manager -- and, instead, typed Regional Sales Manger. Of course, manger is a correct word -- and the spell check did not catch it.

So, I sent out about thirty resumes telling folks that I had been a Regional Sales MANGER. Gee, could that have been why I received no responses?

Anyway, thank you for catching that. I do appreciate it -- and, I will appreciate your pointing out any other typos you find in my writings.

Jennifer, you tell me, regarding Dwight/Skippy, "He posts nothing any more off the wall than you do bill."

Yes, I can see where you would believe that. A person who can believe there is no God -- can certainly believe in the Mormon men/gods. At least the Mormon men/gods brings their deity down to man's, or your, level. I can honestly see how an atheist can be on the Mormon Cheerleading Team. "Yea, Mormons! Down with God!!" My Friend, you do make a good Mormon cheerleader.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Yes, I can see where you would believe that. A person who can believe there is no God -- can certainly believe in the Mormon men/gods. At least the Mormon men/gods brings their deity down to man's, or your, level. I can honestly see how an atheist can be on the Mormon Cheerleading Team. "Yea, Mormons! Down with God!!" My Friend, you do make a good Mormon cheerleader.

Well bill I'm not on anyone's "team". I just point out the obvious-if you insist on spewing your silly religious garbage you can't fault another for doing the same. It's that **** pesky freedom of speech thingy that keeps getting in your way.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:
JUST FOR MY DEAR FRIENDS, NAGEL AND PUPPY - WHO ARE TRULY OF "ONE MIND"!

Bite me.

That's riiiight. Down on all fours and munch awaaaaaayy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqLvyOyBH6E

/shrug.

i'd rather be a compatriot of puppy than bill's.

WATER ALWAYS FINDS ITS OWN LEVEL!

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:
WATER ALWAYS FINDS ITS OWN LEVEL!

OH NO!
I've been Snoopied!
AHHHHHHH!!!
/flops onto floor and scrabbles for razor

AHHHIEEEEEE

/slashes wrists in the humiliation of being Snoopied!!

Oh Lawdy!

/sends kids off to orphanage so they won't have to live with the shame of having a father that has been snoopied by Bill Gray the Almighty

OOOOOAAAHHhhhhhhhh

/bleeds to death in mortification of being childless and carrying the stigmata of being Snoopied in public.

AHOHAHOHAHOAHUUUHHGGGR

/gets up and takes another drink of pepsi and desides that bill is just a halfwit crusty douchenozzle and moves on to the next thread in the forum.

quote:

Originally posted by thenagel:
/gets up and takes another drink of pepsi and desides that bill is just a halfwit crusty douchenozzle and moves on to the next thread in the forum.

Don't drag me into this.

Heh. "douchenozzle."

/me likes dat.

quote:

Originally posted by CrustyMac:

quote:

Originally posted by thenagel:
/gets up and takes another drink of pepsi and desides that bill is just a halfwit crusty douchenozzle and moves on to the next thread in the forum.

Don't drag me into this.

nope.. that's a descriptive little 'c' crusty. not a proper noun big 'C' Crusty.
you can tell, cause i wouldn't call you a halfwit.