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Fox News held their town hall meeting Sunday with Democratic Candidate Pete Buttigieg tonight and President Trump is said to tweet in disappointment about how Fox News was joining the losing side by giving Buttigieg a platform to speak (I suppose).  You ask most Democrats and they will say Fox News is biased and in the Republicans camp and I think all are wrong.  Fox News, at least the news end of it, is, or tries to be independent.  True they have some conservative leaning anchor people but unlike other networks who's news people mimic their commentary people Fox News reporters don't inject their personal politics into their stories.   

I believe Fox was right in offering time to Democratic candidates and other networks are wrong in how they allow bias to enter into their reporting.  It is true that Fox political Commentators such as Tucker Carlson,  Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingram do lean politically right and are conservatives but they don't hide that fact and they don't claim to be news people or the news end of Fox.  Other networks, like CNN and MSNBC have liberal and left leaning commentators but unlike Fox News their commentators refer to themselves as reporters and disguise their programs for news programs.  People then an watch accordingly but each network should be, even though most aren't, independent in their reporting of news.  Separate Commentary from News and make a distinction as to which is which.  Trump, I believe is wrong about claiming Fox News is going toward the losing side as I see them just providing information for their viewers.  

I only wish CNN and MSNBC, as well as ABC, CBS, and NBC were as fair and impartial as Fox News is.  One only has to look at the percentage of negative stories regarding Trump to see political bias is driving news at most other stations.  

One only has to look at the figures and of the news outlets ONLY Fox has been about even or impartial and even Fox has reported 52% negative.  

Most liberals though talk about Fox News as if the news department was exactly like their commentators, who obviously are right leaning.  Fox News  gets a bad rap from liberals and now the President when I believe that Fox News is just doing what they propose to do, Report the news and let the people decide.   

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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Of course, each of our opinions of bias in the media is founded in our own political views.  Those with strong conservative views views will view Fox as centrist.  Those with strong liberal news will view MSNBC as centrist.  Then, there is the swill that poses as valid news on both the extreme left and extreme right, such as, on the right, InfoWars and The Blaze, and on the left, Patribotics and Bipartisan Report.  These are the purveyors of the most extreme, often conspiratorial and fabricated 'news.'

As for myself, I prefer UPI, API and Reuters as my sources of national in international news.  They provide news without attempting to tell me how I should think. 

MSM CNN, MSNBC NBC and the rest including all night talk shows
average around 90% hate trump, white men, Republicans, conservatives,
chicken sandwiches, free speech and other ridiculous cry baby snowflake
negative comments and news reports not to mention contrived lies, like the
clinton dossier.
 
If anyone believes CNN is truthful you're lying to yourself you are proven
wrong.
Jack Hammer posted:
MSM CNN, MSNBC NBC and the rest including all night talk shows
average around 90% hate trump, white men, Republicans, conservatives,
chicken sandwiches, free speech and other ridiculous cry baby snowflake
negative comments and news reports not to mention contrived lies, like the
clinton dossier.
 
If anyone believes CNN is truthful you're lying to yourself you are proven
wrong.

Wow Jack, that was almost coherent.  Thanks for illustrating my point.

Jutu posted:

Donna Brazille....Juan Williams....Chris Wallace...Geraldo Rivera....tell us again how Fox is Conservative. I don't watch Fox or any of the "major" news outlets. I look for all sources of coverage locally...in the cities in and around where the story happened.

Yes, it's surprising what turns out to be the true story when you get all the details.

I can see where a particular person's own political leanings can determine their perception of various networks and their reporting but what I wanted to point out, with regards to Fox News, is there is a portion that is News Reporting and a portion that is commentary.  The News is supposed to be more impartial if that is possible, and the commentary is skewed politically left, or in the case of Fox, to the Right, politically. 

MSNBC and CNN being the closest to FOX (news & commentary & shows) tend to blanket include even their commentary people like Rachael Maddow and treat them as journalist and reporters when they are like Hannity, with FOX, commentators.   The difference is that a commentator is biased and partial whereas the News and reporters should be impartial. 

CBS, NBC, and ABC are networks that have news as a very small portion of their programming because they are there for entertainment purposes mostly and that's where they get their money from but their News programs should also be impartial and as shown with the reports provided the news is not impartial but very politically biased in editorial, reporting, and selection of what is actually reported and qued to be broadcast in the nightly news.  Fox also does this but I believe to a much less degree of partiality.

OldSalt posted:

Here's another chart with an analysis of the various Fox News programs.  According to this 2018 chart, the most centrist is Shepard Smith Reporting, but it 'skews right'.  Hannity's show is 'Most Extreme Right.'

The chart for all sources is:

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Media-Bias-Chart_4.0_8_28_2018-min.jpg

I don't dispute the charts but I do believe that including the commentators, such as Hannity and Tucker Carlson is skewing the results.  As I've said in another post, under this topic, whereas Fox differentiates news from commentary other media outlets classify their commentators as journalist and reporters when they shouldn't be.  At least that's my impression of what CNN and MSNBC does and if that's incorrect then I'm incorrect as well.

gbrk posted:
OldSalt posted:

Here's another chart with an analysis of the various Fox News programs.  According to this 2018 chart, the most centrist is Shepard Smith Reporting, but it 'skews right'.  Hannity's show is 'Most Extreme Right.'

The chart for all sources is:

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Media-Bias-Chart_4.0_8_28_2018-min.jpg

I don't dispute the charts but I do believe that including the commentators, such as Hannity and Tucker Carlson is skewing the results.  As I've said in another post, under this topic, whereas Fox differentiates news from commentary other media outlets classify their commentators as journalist and reporters when they shouldn't be.  At least that's my impression of what CNN and MSNBC does and if that's incorrect then I'm incorrect as well.

As much as you back the Republican talking points, daily, you should be use to being incorrect.

gbrk posted:
OldSalt posted:

Here's another chart with an analysis of the various Fox News programs.  According to this 2018 chart, the most centrist is Shepard Smith Reporting, but it 'skews right'.  Hannity's show is 'Most Extreme Right.'

The chart for all sources is:

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Media-Bias-Chart_4.0_8_28_2018-min.jpg

I don't dispute the charts but I do believe that including the commentators, such as Hannity and Tucker Carlson is skewing the results.  As I've said in another post, under this topic, whereas Fox differentiates news from commentary other media outlets classify their commentators as journalist and reporters when they shouldn't be.  At least that's my impression of what CNN and MSNBC does and if that's incorrect then I'm incorrect as well.

Here's the site I pulled the charts from: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/

They do include, similar to the one for Fox News, charts for CNN and MSNBC.  They place CNN  centrist to skews left, and MSNBC skews left to hyper-partisan left.  I think those charts a little off - I believe both should be listed as farther left than they are, but I guess I tend to be a little right of center.

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