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The Democrats, whether they, Crash Override or the other Democrats on the forum, will admit it, suffered unprecedented electoral losses/defeats throughout the United States for the most part.  Trump's victory, though unforeseen by most and unpredicted by almost all if not all the polls was stunning enough leaving Hillary so emotionally upset that she was crying inconsolably to the point of having to have Podesta come out and send home her supporters at her Headquarters Wake.  Obama, himself, trying to put on a good face surely sees his Legacy disappearing and knows that his political endorsement carries with it the kiss of political death.

So now the news is filled with plenty of snowflake young people running around like Chicken Little fearful that the sky is falling on them and that the Earth will not survive a Trump Administration to succumb to Man Made Global Warming that they are led to believe is their greatest threat to their survival.  So what about Democrats in general?  Why are they so fearful?  I submit and suggest that they are direly afraid that when Trump assumes the Presidency on January 20th along with Republican control of the Senate and House that unprecedented growth, jobs, and success will follow him all without a single Democrat or liberal being able to claim responsibility for it.  Already, even before Trump is sworn in markets and the dollar's value is showing confidence in a Trump administration that Obama never saw or experienced. 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...ln-plant-in-kentucky   note that this article does leave open other possibilities that some other jobs will leave but those are unfounded worries more than fact based fears.

&http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...abe-meets-with-trump

are just some indications that Trump's election is having some results prior to him even taking power.  I can imagine that Democrats, and the National (Liberal) Media is on pins and needles fearing that not only will Obama's numbers of executive orders will be written away but that people will began to feel optimistic and actually see signs that there is unprecedented growth on the horizon which could have a most devastating affect upon the electorate and that is confidence in Republican leadership and recognizing that the warnings the Democrats have been spewing are nothing but hyperbole and  outright falsehoods.  Worse than that if jobs began to come to the inner cities and locations of steadfast democratic control, such as Chicago and Detroit and Philadelphia, Pittsburg and the like, then minorities that democrats have held down may began to find jobs and actually join the middle class from a dependent class and start to question the Democratic talking points that they have been indoctrinated to accept unquestionably.   Along with that if Trump's wall actually gets built and Law and Order actually become a part of the Justice Department then people may see crime and along with it drug proliferation start to come down or find a harder path into the areas that they now flow fairly easily.  Lastly, and maybe more difficult if American's start seeing our infrastructure system start being refurbished and restored then people may actually feel America is becoming great again and come to the frame of mind that the Republicans and Trump are responsible for it and that Democrats have been keeping the Nation down and taking care of themselves before the Nation. 

I believe they are afraid of Success!

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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unlike republicans... democrats don't 'wish trump to fail'... unlike republicans democrats aren't obstructionists... unlike republicans, democrats won't make their focus 'making trump a one term president'... democrats try to keep our country moving forward... trump's presidency will speak for itself. we only hope you republicans take responsibility and maybe help him make some better choices in his cabinet picks...none of which seems to be helping, at this point. 

what democrats are really thinking is 'why are the republicans so worried about the democratic party after such a victory. why do the republicans not focus on using their newly elected powers to start doing something productive."

giftedamateur posted:
direstraits posted:

Meanwhile, perhaps safe spaces with play dough, coloring books and fluffy bunnies should be arranged for Democrats.

These are "progressives"? They want segregation again, and cradle to grave welfare.  So much for the sacrifices of MLK and others like him.

Absolutely true, and you can see you hit a nerve with old jt.

Black students demand segregated spaces from white students

The demands have been presented to campus administrators and are chronicled by TheDemands.org, a website run by a racial advocacy group called the Black Liberation Collective.

Not all of the 76 demand lists, each from a different university, seek segregated spaces — but several do.

At UCLA, the Afrikan Student Union is insisting upon an “Afrikan Diaspora floor” as well as an “Afro-house.”

I know what and who the so called progressives are, and I posted their goal. That's not opinion, that's what they have said. As for others opinions being "wrong", well hoss, it isn't the right that is rioting and destroying other folks' property because they can't get their way. My "opinion" about them and what they are doing? They should have their ***** lit up.

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Dire, I read the link. I think there are two bubbles in use right now. They have opposite points of view. In reality, I don't fit into either one. I am a hard core democrat voter, but I want Trump to be a successful president, because if he is, America will prosper. That's where I differ from some of the most frequent posters on this forum. They posted, "I won't wish any stupid democrat well". That's not a good thing to wish on America's leaders. The better the leaders do for America, the better America will do. There is a time to forget party labels and just be good citizens. I do try to be a good progressive citizen.

Jack Flash posted:
jtdavis posted:

There is a time to forget party labels and just be good citizens. I do try to be a good progressive citizen.

A good citizen and the word progressive is an oxymoron, as long
as liberals want Presidential Dictorialship, (Jeffrey Hardin) 
you can't forget party labels.

Like a good Orwellian tale, they used the word progressives, until that was tarnished and sullied.  Then, switched to liberal label. Now, back to progressive, since they destroyed the liberal title. Amusing that so many with the prog label are Luddites -- back to the past, the past of aristos and serfs.  

"That's where I differ from some of the most frequent posters on this forum. They posted, "I won't wish any stupid democrat well". That's not a good thing to wish on America's leaders. The better the leaders do for America, the better America will do". 

 

Jt, are you sure that is what they posted, and not "they wouldn't vote for anti-American, criminal, corrupt, racist, cop hating" democrats? That's a little different than what you want to  claim they posted. Too, why would anyone wish a Democrat well? A Democrat doing "well" means it's at the expense of the country, and we're sliding closer to total ruin. If you wished the country well you wouldn't be a Democrat.

giftedamateur posted:

"That's where I differ from some of the most frequent posters on this forum. They posted, "I won't wish any stupid democrat well". That's not a good thing to wish on America's leaders. The better the leaders do for America, the better America will do". 

 

Jt, are you sure that is what they posted, and not "they wouldn't vote for anti-American, criminal, corrupt, racist, cop hating" democrats? That's a little different than what you want to  claim they posted. Too, why would anyone wish a Democrat well? A Democrat doing "well" means it's at the expense of the country, and we're sliding closer to total ruin. If you wished the country well you wouldn't be a Democrat.

https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...0#523303475188197140

He asked us twice to please play nice "if" hilliary won. Looking for the other thread and where anyone posted what he claimed they posted.

jtdavis posted:

Still think water hoses are the answer?

Bud, get them off the highways. Protest all you want, don't stop traffic.

"I won't wish any stupid democrat well". 

Gifted, that was posted by one of your "good?" righties.

 

 

Produce it. Produce where anyone posted it like that. I won't vote for any Democrat, so what's your point? Best put a link to that discussion showing no one posted what you claim. Produce yours or maybe you want to claim someone hacked you.

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What's wrong with using water hoses to get trash off of the highway, JT?  The rioters blocking highways aren't protesters or freedom fighters, they are  trash and should be dealt with accordingly.

Mad, I'm the one who first proposed using fire hoses and a right winger brought up Birmingham's use of fire hoses years ago. Ask your right wing buddy whats wrong with water hoses.

Gifted, I posted that I hoped Trump would be successful as president. The reason was the better the president does, the better America would do. The answering post was  "I ain't gonna wish a stinking democrat well".  If you will tell me how to look back and find my posting history, I'll look it up and post it again for you.

jtdavis posted:

Gifted, I posted that I hoped Trump would be successful as president. The reason was the better the president does, the better America would do. The answering post was  "I ain't gonna wish a stinking democrat well".  If you will tell me how to look back and find my posting history, I'll look it up and post it again for you.

What does it matter that someone posted that? If you can't find your posts you don't need to make claims. Again, who or where did anyone post "I ain't gonna wish a stinking democrat well"? It never happened, but if it did, so what? If read in context, not your version, it makes perfect sense.  You want to "tell it your way" out of context and the wording changed. Go back and read you own thread and you will know what it says and why it was posted. There is a reason people won't support a demoslop.

Last I found. Still doesn't say what you claimed, and you can see the context. It's my reply.

 

jtdavis posted:

I'm gonna vote for Hillary. If Trump wins, I'll wish the best for him and his programs. Because, if a president is successful, America prospers. If Hillary wins, will you all wish the best for her and her programs? 

Hell no. Why would any decent American wish the best for that evil witch and her plans to further destroy the country? Man, you must be tripping!

https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...9#535126034099987659

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jtdavis posted:

Gifted, I want to thank you for finding that post. Is it possible that a post containing "ain't gonna support no stinking democrat" got deleted? You aren't the one who, I think, posted it. It don't matter, before being rightie or leftie, or democrat or republican, I am American and wish the best for America.

I never saw any such post, and I don't know anyone that would delete it. From what I've seen it appears they all stand by their posts. As I posted, you should link to your claims to show the context of the posts. Even if someone posted it, when the post is shown and you see the person's reason for posting it, it is a lot different than just someone being stubborn. If it makes you feel better I'll say, I'm not going to support any stinking Democrat (You said stupid at first).

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giftedamateur posted:
jtdavis posted:

Gifted, I want to thank you for finding that post. Is it possible that a post containing "ain't gonna support no stinking democrat" got deleted? You aren't the one who, I think, posted it. It don't matter, before being rightie or leftie, or democrat or republican, I am American and wish the best for America.

I never saw any such post, and I don't know anyone that would delete it. From what I've seen it appears they all stand by their posts. As I posted, you should link to your claims to show the context of the posts. Even if someone posted it, when the post is shown and you see the person's reason for posting it, it is a lot different than just someone being stubborn. If it makes you feel better I'll say, I'm not going to support any stinking Democrat (You said stupid at first).

Maybe someone "hacked" him again, wink, wink. Jt, if anyone did post it, what's your point? I see no problem with it at all and I feel the same, for reasons we all have explained.

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You really can't understand anything. 

i understand that you are a low brow person

JT, you're clueless as to the damage mobumer has done to the
country and you really don't care, if you did, you would find
those answers for yourself. But you're just another blind
running ciown drunk on liberal stupidity in the belief all is
good if the socialist are in charge, they lied to you for all
your fantasy life.........
Jack , you are the clueless one. You're probably sitting a dark room with all real communication cut off.

 

jtdavis posted:

You really can't understand anything. 

i understand that you are a low brow person

JT, you're clueless as to the damage mobumer has done to the
country and you really don't care, if you did, you would find
those answers for yourself. But you're just another blind
running ciown drunk on liberal stupidity in the belief all is
good if the socialist are in charge, they lied to you for all
your fantasy life.........
Jack , you are the clueless one. You're probably sitting a dark room with all real communication cut off.

 

Is it ok if I cut on all the unreal communications.??

Don't be mad at me if you don't know what's going on, besides,
the liberal slave masters love you as a voter, tell you anything...
jtdavis posted:

Gifted, all anyone would have to do is read you postings and they would know you are low brow and uninformed

Well Jt, since you fancy your illiterite self so high brow why don't you give me a few examples of things I'm uninformed about. You, that is so stupid that you make posts then two posts down deny making them, you, that can't even copy and paste, or manage to post a link to your ridiculous claims. You, that when caught in your lies either run, claim you were hacked, or double down on your stupid posts. I never saw anyone telling you how smart you are. You're treated like a senile old uncle living in your attic.

 

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giftedamateur posted:
jtdavis posted:

Gifted, all anyone would have to do is read you postings and they would know you are low brow and uninformed

Well Jt, since you fancy your illiterite self so high brow why don't you give me a few examples of things I'm uninformed about. You, that is so stupid that you make posts then two posts down deny making them, you, that can't even copy and paste, or manage to post a link to your ridiculous claims. You, that when caught in your lies either run, claim you were hacked, or double down on your stupid posts. I never saw anyone telling you how smart you are. You're treated like a senile old uncle living in your attic.

 

I doubt the "high brow" jt even gets the reference! LOL!

Bestworking posted:
giftedamateur posted:
jtdavis posted:

Gifted, all anyone would have to do is read you postings and they would know you are low brow and uninformed

Well Jt, since you fancy your illiterite self so high brow why don't you give me a few examples of things I'm uninformed about. You, that is so stupid that you make posts then two posts down deny making them, you, that can't even copy and paste, or manage to post a link to your ridiculous claims. You, that when caught in your lies either run, claim you were hacked, or double down on your stupid posts. I never saw anyone telling you how smart you are. You're treated like a senile old uncle living in your attic.

 

I doubt the "high brow" jt even gets the reference! LOL!

The sound of things flying over his head is a familiar sound.

My original point with the first post on this topic remains and even more so now.  I fully believe that the Democrats and Liberals are beside themselves, going bonkers, with fear that Trump is going to reveal their inadequacies and failures and prove that the right person can get things done when they apply themselves.  The deal with Ford keeping a Louisville Plant along with the recent announcement from Carrier  (all this BEFORE Trump assumes office) has shook many Democrats to their core and you can just image Obama and his Administration people cursing and salivating, screaming about how Trump did this to show Obama up.  

I believe Obama did this for people he cared about, the American worker and people that voted for him and those that didn't.  Since his election he has demonstrated a willingness to consider his most ardent enemies and people that opposed him as he seeks to find the "best qualified" person for the job.  That, like saving Carrier Jobs, Auto Jobs etc, has been what he has talked about for a year and a half and it wasn't done to show Obama up at all.  In fact Obama could have done the exact same thing and beat Trump to the punch but (MY OWN OPINION) the reason, I believe, he and/or His Administration did not do it is they frankly don't understand business and are still economic and business lightweights who never created a job in the first place or did anything productive but rather lived in theory and suggestions all their life.  Trump is a doer and a person that knows how to get things done and a negotiator and when viewed by American business, UNLIKE OBAMA, Trump is RESPECTED and feared to a degree.  

Unlike Obama or most other politicians Trump also doesn't owe anyone and is in no one's pockets owing favors or having to repay loyalty.  All of the above has and is making a difference and having an influence on some, previously, staunch democratic strongholds such as union members and union leaders several of which openly spoke of working against Trump and are now praising his actions to keep American Jobs here.  I fully believe Democrats and Liberals are horrified that he may just succeed and in doing so reveal how stagnant  and ineffective the politicians that should have been looking after middle America have been.  They are horrified that people may just turn from their blind allegiance and start asking questions that, frankly, Democrats are not comfortable addressing or answering.  

I love it!  The best thing is maybe, just maybe, (and there are some) some Democrats will start doing their job rather than catching a ride along on coattails and just following the party line.  There are some conscientious  Democrats out there with good ideas and the ability to do something other than play party politics.  Maybe, just maybe, they will stop being party people and start legislating and working for the American people along with some Republicans who also have been playing politics and putting their political careers above the American people they are here to represent.  Maybe, in addition to draining the swamp, he (Trump) will kick some of the lazy, complacent politicians into gear and into doing their jobs.   Maybe America will awaken to the fact that it, we, are Great Again!

I'll make one additional prediction or thought ... not only are Democrats and Liberals quaking in their boots and horrified at the progress that Trump will achieve and do what he says  but from an economic, job, and trade, position Japan, China, and Mexico are afraid and concerned and from a military respect or position many of our Adversaries are extremely concerned about a resurgent superpower, America, and our Allies and friends are finally optimistic and excited that there may be respect restored and Trust fulfilled again!

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direstraits posted:
jtdavis posted:

This liberal democrat cheers Trump if he has saved good jobs for America (even if 1300 are still going to Mexico). I also cheered Obama when he saved the US automotive industry

He saved the UAW pension fund, not the auto industry.  Ford didn't need his help and Fiat is scheduled to offs**** Chrysler. 

Bush saved the auto industry.

jtdavis posted:

This liberal democrat cheers Trump if he has saved good jobs for America (even if 1300 are still going to Mexico). I also cheered Obama when he saved the US automotive industry

Is this your source?

Carrier gets tax breaks, but it's still sending 1,300 jobs to Mexico

 

http://www.stltoday.com/busine...b1-c6b0990acab2.html

The article quotes:  but the Wall Street Journal reported the deal would save about 800 of the 1,400 jobs at the plant and about 300 at the headquarters.

So 800 Carrier Indianapolis plant jobs saved at the plant + 300 more saved at HQ = 1100 saved.

And 600 jobs lost at the plant [1,400 - 800 saved = 600 lost].

Where are the remaining 700 jobs lost coming from to make 1.300?  Not from Carrier.  They are coming from it's parent company United Technologies which is closing a subsidiary UT Electrontic Controls located in Huntington.  In short, UTEC were never part of the Trump - Carrier deal.

So JT, what's your opinion on these 700 ghost riders? 

Why would the liberal press combine them?  These 700?  First to diminish Trumps success while at the same time camouflaging the failures of the Obama administration.  It is because of the last 8 years of our lame duck administration that Carrier, UT, and UTEC were heading to Mexico to begin with and did nothing to stop it.  Only thing remotely akin to it was Hillary wanted to close down the coal industry.

Wonder how many welders would have lost their jobs in her administration.  No wonder the blue collar workers voted against her.

 

jtdavis posted:

This liberal democrat cheers Trump if he has saved good jobs for America (even if 1300 are still going to Mexico). I also cheered Obama when he saved the US automotive industry

Actually Ol'bama screwed other pension funds that had bonds in GM and Chrysler and also the taxpayer in general. Everything that was done could have been done in bankruptcy court just like other industries like the airlines.

http://www.heritage.org/resear...g-union-compensation

jtdavis posted:

Bush saved the auto industry.

Best, are you actually that uninformed???

No, but as usual you are. But you don't care about the truth, the "rest of the story".  All you care about is spreading demoslops lies. You're so stupid and inept that it's sickening.

 

Barack Obama, however, cannot claim full credit for this outcome. According to several experts, he needs to share it with his predecessor, President George W. Bush. Dr. James Rubenstein at Miami University co-wrote a post-bankruptcy assessment for the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago. Rubenstein said no one should overlook the importance of Bush’s decision to use $17.6 billion in TARP money in December 2008 to keep General Motors and Chrysler afloat.

"The Bush Administration provided short-term bridge loans," Rubenstein said. "That allowed the Obama Administration to take a couple of months to assess the situation."

Aaron Bragman, the lead American automotive analyst for the financial forecasting group IHS Automotive, echoed the point. "The Bush administration is the one that actually acted to save them from an uncontrolled bankruptcy and shutdown," Bragman said. "The Obama administration's role was to fix them."

 

http://www.newyorker.com/news/...d-out-the-automakers

http://articles.chicagotribune...ndustry-barack-Obama

http://www.reuters.com/article...dUSL1N0JO0XU20131209

http://www.politifact.com/trut...automobile-industry/

 

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 BTW, unions are still here. - JT

You talking about what the MSM called those "blue collar workers" in the Rust Belt and Coal Country  that the Clintonites took for granted and at the same time called "undereducated" and "deplorables" who were smart enough to see [what you cannot] that jobs were more important than BS and voted for Trump?

Yep.  The unions are still here, but their train to Make America Great Again left without you.

Adios, liberal.  Enjoy Mexico.

 

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The thing that Obama did with the Auto Industry was not to bail them out but the Government BOUGHT General Motors and then appointed a person, government appointment by Obama Administration, that would dictate what GM had to do after being bought out.  From that we saw Saturn, Hummer, and Pontiac disappear all together.  As for the price that Chrysler/Dodge had to pay that was the loss or forfeit of many dealerships, many owned by Republican donors but people that were independent business owners that found that Chrysler (the Government, aka Obama) said they could not longer sell Chryslers and Dodges. 

GM did later pay back part of the loan/buyout/(Government money) but the amount they repaid was far less than the original amount spent out by taxpayers or so I've been told so I'm not 100% sure of that statement.  The deal though was more of a benefit to the Unions than shareholders (aka citizens), so I don't know that saving the Auto industry is appropriate as was mentioned before FORD chose to reject the Government money which came with Government/Obama stipulations and requirements (as mentioned before elimination of Pontiac/Saturn/Hummer and many (previously) independently owned Chrysler dealerships.  Not a good deal but salvation of the Unions benefits and pension fund given that if GM and/or Chrysler had gone Bankrupt, as most businesses would do, then the Union negotiated strangulations that had been negotiated which most likely led to GM & Chrysler getting into financial trouble in the first place.  So the Unions are the ones who made out like a bandit along with continuing to insure large Democratic Union donations would continue.

Bestworking posted:
giftedamateur posted:

Remember Obama's cash for clunkers fiasco and what that mess cost taxpayers?

Funny, you don't hear the demoslops talking about that one.

All that did was distort the used car market. People with low income had to pay more for a lower supply of used cars. Plus, as the old cars were bought, they went to be immediately crushed, instead of to a junkyard to supply cheap spare parts. Pulled many a part off old cars to keep mine running.

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