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Detainees --Tropical island, Bermuda shorts, Daiquiris

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Friday, June 12, 2009

This is a rush transcript of "Special Report With Bret Baier" from June 11, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

IAN KELLY, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN: We understand that there are some concerns about some of the details of the resettlement, and we're confident that we can work — work these things through with the government of the U.K.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX HOST: That was the State Department doing some damage control after it apparently forgot to tell the British it had struck a deal to relocate some Chinese Muslim detainees in Bermuda. It's all part of the Obama administration's effort to unload Gitmo inmates, wherever it can.

Let's bring in our panel: Mort Kondracke of Roll Call; Nina Easton of Fortune magazine; and syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer.

So let's — and you need a program to keep track of this. Four Uighers to Bermuda, the remaining 13 to Palau. Is this, Charles, a sensible way for dealing with them and, possibly, a model for dispersing — dispensing with all the Guantanamo, or at least most of the Guantanamo detainees?

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Well, it certainly has an element of comedy about it. You can see the new al Qaeda slogan, "Join al Qaeda, see the world."

It's win-win. If al Qaeda defeats the United States, you rule the world out of Mecca. If you lose, you end up on a tropical island, Bermuda shorts, holding a daiquiri in your hand.

Look, the Uighers are the easiest of the issues. It's hard to get excited about the Uighers, because they're like the Basques or the IRA. They are terrorists, but they're not particularly anti-American. They're ambitious...

WALLACE: At least they weren't before they went to Guantanamo.

KRAUTHAMMER: I'm not sure how — you know, how much that will change them. Their interest is in the western elements of China, which are Muslim, and liberating it.
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Their ambitions are geographically circumscribed, so getting them out of Guantanamo is reasonably easy. And yet we had to shop around to 100 countries who said no, and they end up on these island dependencies in the middle of nowhere.

The real issue is going to be the Yemenis, who the Saudis have hinted they may take, but the Saudis have a record of releasing people who end up at war with us again.

And the insoluble issue is the ones who are not tryable and not releasable, who are going to be stuck in Guantanamo with nobody in the U.S. taking them.
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Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
These particular detainees were suspected of NOTHING, charged with NOTHING, and were basically being held to prevent them from being returned to the Chinese. Much ado about nothing. The only place they could go was a country with no diplomatic ties to China.


In a combat zone, being in the wrong place at the wrong time under the wrong circumstances will either get you killed or sent to Guantanamo.

They are radical Chinese Muslims in a war zone with insurgents. What were they doing there? Who cares? That's all you need. This doesn't have to go in front of a jury. Nobody "charges" anyone for anything. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers on its butt it's probably a duck.

If they go back to China, they will probably end up with a fatal case of cranial lead poisoning, and their families getting a bill for the cost of the bullet used to execute them.
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The big O needs to be more talkative. LOL.


But the transfer of the Uighurs has been criticized not only by Republican members of Congress but by the governments of the United Kingdom, which owns the territory of Bermuda, and China, which wants the Uighurs returned.

On Friday, some members of the Bermudan government who said they'd not been informed of the transfer, questioned the wisdom of moving the inmates to the island located 640 miles off North Carolina, saying it could hurt tourism, Bermuda's chief industry.

"When an American is watching an ad (for Bermuda) it hits my mind as an American, they saw the level of intense media attention, I say to myself, 'Hmm, that's the country that accepted Guantanamo Bay detainees' ... This is a fact, mark my words, tourism will be affected by this," said Donte Hunt, a deputy party chairman for the United Bermuda Party, the government's opposition party.
meanasasnakemeanasasnakeOld Faithful
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
quote:
Originally posted by meanasasnake:
These particular detainees were suspected of NOTHING, charged with NOTHING, and were basically being held to prevent them from being returned to the Chinese. Much ado about nothing. The only place they could go was a country with no diplomatic ties to China.


In a combat zone, being in the wrong place at the wrong time under the wrong circumstances will either get you killed or sent to Guantanamo.

They are radical Chinese Muslims in a war zone with insurgents. What were they doing there? Who cares? That's all you need. This doesn't have to go in front of a jury. Nobody "charges" anyone for anything. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers on its butt it's probably a duck.

If they go back to China, they will probably end up with a fatal case of cranial lead poisoning, and their families getting a bill for the cost of the bullet used to execute them.


I think it fairly clear that the reason for their placement in Palau and Bermuda was to avoid prosecution and possible execution by the Chinese government. Of course they captured in a war zone and have served several years in prison for their part in that event. When do we release individuals who pose no threat to the United States? Does being in the wrong place at the wrong time warrant a life sentence?
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
quote:
Originally posted by meanasasnake:
These particular detainees were suspected of NOTHING, charged with NOTHING, and were basically being held to prevent them from being returned to the Chinese. Much ado about nothing. The only place they could go was a country with no diplomatic ties to China.


In a combat zone, being in the wrong place at the wrong time under the wrong circumstances will either get you killed or sent to Guantanamo.

They are radical Chinese Muslims in a war zone with insurgents. What were they doing there? Who cares? That's all you need. This doesn't have to go in front of a jury. Nobody "charges" anyone for anything. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers on its butt it's probably a duck.

If they go back to China, they will probably end up with a fatal case of cranial lead poisoning, and their families getting a bill for the cost of the bullet used to execute them.


I think it fairly clear that the reason for their placement in Palau and Bermuda was to avoid prosecution and possible execution by the Chinese government. Of course they captured in a war zone and have served several years in prison for their part in that event. When do we release individuals who pose no threat to the United States? Does being in the wrong place at the wrong time warrant a life sentence?



I'm all for it! Let us know when you want help converting some rooms in your house to accommodate them. I will watch with interest to see if you still consider them as non-threatening. Smiler
R redbullPost Master
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Originally posted by interventor1:
I hope, at least, they were required to sign a parole document -- rrequired of released war prisoners -- pledging not to take up arms against the US. Get caught again, get shot.


Reported on Fox news about an hour ago they are living in a nice beachfront condo with absolutely no type of surveillance whatsoever. Except for the press.

Now those who enter the U.S. they want to give the same rights as citizens.

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Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
I think it fairly clear that the reason for their placement in Palau and Bermuda was to avoid prosecution and possible execution by the Chinese government.

So much for the much-taunted US policy of releasing insurgents to their home countries for execution.
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Of course they captured in a war zone and have served several years in prison for their part in that event. When do we release individuals who pose no threat to the United States? Does being in the wrong place at the wrong time warrant a life sentence?

By law and custom, prisoners of war are kept in the POW camp for the duration of the hostilities. As Int said, they could agree to a parole, but that is very rare.
And, yes, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, especially under the situations these were found, warrants the death penalty carried out on the spot. The taking of POWs, especially insurgents, is a horrific risk to our soldiers.

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