If the President was involved in the initial planning for Fast and Furious, he is a liar and an accomplice to manslaughter of one of his own LEOs.  If he was not involved in the initial planning, he remains a liar -- IAW, a normal politician.  

If, he was involved in the coverup, he remains a liar.  Fast and Furious is more serious than Water Gate -- no one died in the Water Gate break-in.  Fast and Furious resulted in the death of at least one US citizen and many more Mexican citizens.  

This will probably strectch out beyond the elections.  After than, the main point will be to ensure the documents at the IG's office are preserved for review by the Romney administration.  The best I can see is for the courts to order the documents transported to a federal court house under guard by their bailiffs.  The Capitol police should accompany transportation of the documents as they are under the control of the Architect of the Capitol and not the President.  

Another attempt by this administration to keep the secrets until after the election.  People had the wool pulled over their eyes and elected an inept administration who promised transparency.  This administration has been corrupt since Day One, and continues to try and suppress the truth.  It is an embarassment to the family of the deceased agent killed by the actions of the federal government to be treated in this fashion by a sitting president.  But all one has to do is say "but that is what everyone else does" and all is forgiven.  What a joke.

Sounds like it's time to begin impeachment proceedings against B.O. . ANY president, regardless of party affiliation, that seeks to cover up a MURDER deserves ZERO respect and should be held accountable.

Hundreds of murders no doubt if you include Mexican citizens.  This is 100 times bigger than Watergate.

Didn't Senator B.O, during Bush's administration, decry the WH's use of executive privilege in allegedly covering up things the WH didn't want known by the general public? Hmmmm........

It's been the most hypocritical administration in history.

Let's not forget to mention that NBC news mentioned this story one time in over 18 months. They need to be investigated for their colloberations with the Obama administration to keep this story from the American people.

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Sorry Roland I jumped on in a hurry and didn’t take time to check if Obama’s actions were covered. Didn’t mean to step on any toes. Any way our President and his cronies are testing the waters for a complete socialist take-over. Hopefully SCOTUS will take the constitutional high road and rule Obama Care unconstitutional.

Skippy

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Talk about hypocritical:

There have been allegations of "gunwalking" in at least 10 cities in five states.^[22] The most widely known and controversial operations took place in Arizona under the ATF's Phoenix, Arizona field division.

2006–2007: Operation Wide Receiver and other probes

The suspicious sale of AR-15s led to Operation Wide Receiver.^[23]

The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.^[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",^[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.^[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.^[7][23][25]

At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009^[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.^[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.^[23]

Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.^[4][10]

Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF's assistant director for the office of field operations.^[27] No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.^[4][24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Don't try to fool the people those operations DIDN'T LOSE GUNS!!  Fast and furious LOST GUNS!  Those operations didn't result in a DEAD US agent.   People aren't stupid. 

Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

It's been the most hypocritical administration in history.

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Talk about hypocritical:

 

There have been allegations of "gunwalking" in at least 10 cities in five states.^[22] The most widely known and controversial operations took place in Arizona under the ATF's Phoenix, Arizona field division.

2006–2007: Operation Wide Receiver and other probes

The suspicious sale of AR-15s led to Operation Wide Receiver.^[23]

The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.^[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",^[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.^[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.^[7][23][25]

At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009^[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.^[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.^[23]

Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.^[4][10]

Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF's assistant director for the office of field operations.^[27] No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.^[4][24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

On this operation, the ATF place RFIDs on the firearms to track them.  That's why some people were caught and prosecuted.  No RFIDs were placed on the Fast and Furious weapons and no attempt was made to track them, that we know of.

FYI, I have used RFIDs on the shipments I've overseen for years, but that's mainly for inventory control.  

I don't like it either.  We as a country have been using arms to make deals and now catch criminals for decades. I am sure there are many many more dead innocent people due to the arms dealing the US has been involved in. Iran-Contra also comes to mind.

We need to speak out and say that we as a nation want more enforcement of the gun laws. Criminals are not supposed to be able to buy guns from gun shops.....right? But its ok for the government to sell these arms to criminals??? I am more upset about our use of arms dealing than I am the current president doing the same thing his predecessors did when hiding these dealings.

As for the Executive Privilege....I don't like it when ANY president uses it. Apparently they have the power to do so when they feel its necessary. All the presidents in my lifetime (that I remember) have all used it at one point.

'Operation Fast and Furious' will be B.O.'s 'Waterloo'.......