The ultra-ultra-ultra right wing nut American Family ASSociation is at it again in their war on the "War on Christmas." Here is the latest attempt by these Mississippi meddlers to bully a company into saying things the "AFA way."
http://www.afa.net/action-aler...as-to-our-customers/
I have called and e-mailed this company urging them not to give heed to the demands of this egregiously meddlesome bunch of dingbats.
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Contendah, my Friend,
So, YOU are all for taking CHRIST out of Christmas? Instead of celebrating CHRIST and Christmas in your home, do you celebrate HAPPY HOLIDAY?
Interesting. Have you gone through your Bible (assuming you allow one in your home) and edited out all words that say CHRIST and replaced those words with HOLIDAY?
Wow! Christmas must really be a blast in your home. Excuse me, I should have said "Holidaymas" in your home.
One question. When you pray, assuming that you do pray, do you pray to God or Jesus Christ -- or do you pray "To whom it may concern"?
Oh, well, my Friend -- Happy Whatever YOU call it!
Bless your little ultra, ultra, ultra LEFT heart!
Bill
Bilious Bill drivels thusly:
Contendah, my Friend,
So, YOU are all for taking CHRIST out of Christmas? Instead of celebrating CHRIST and Christmas in your home, do you celebrate HAPPY HOLIDAY?
Interesting. Have you gone through your Bible (assuming you allow one in your home) and edited out all words that say CHRIST and replaced those words with HOLIDAY?
Wow! Christmas must really be a blast in your home. Excuse me, I should have said "Holidaymas" in your home.
One question. When you pray, assuming that you do pray, do you pray to God or Jesus Christ -- or do you pray "To whom it may concern"?
Oh, well, my Friend -- Happy Whatever YOU call it!
Bless your little ultra, ultra, ultra LEFT heart!
Bill
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Bill,
Since you are so hot on validating things by scripture, kindly find me anywhere in your Bible any kind of authorization or instruction for any specific kind of observance of a holiday commemorating the birth of Christ.
And if you can not find that in scripture, then tell us why you feel justified in condemning those who choose not to observe such a holiday. Disclose to us the specific basis upon which you ground your criticism.
I celebrate Christ every day as my savior. I don't "do" Easter or Christmas or Good Friday as religious holidays, but that does not at all mean that I disrespect the significance of what occurred on those occasions. Those who elect to do otherwise are free to do so, but that does not give them--including YOU or the deplorable AFA--legitimacy to condemn or vilify those of us who choose not to observe these events as some kind of formally designated religious days of special significance or to impose requirements as to the "correct" manner of verbal reference to such days or periods.
The only day of religious significance for Christians, as recognized in the New Testament, is the Lord's Day, the first day of the week, the day that Jesus rose from the tomb.
See Acts 20:7 and Revelation 1:10.
Being more CONSERVATIVE than you, Liberal Bill, I do not elect to follow the traditions adopted by men who invest various days with a special holiness in a manner that is not authorized anywhere in scripture. Thus, I also refrain from your deplorable practice of pushing the critical bigotry of your position on this matter onto others who do not agree with you
Sometimes I think that only means of broadening such narrow minds as yours, Bill, would be to apply the "Jaws of Life" tool to your compromised cranium.
Contendah, my Friend,
You tell me:
Since you are so hot on validating things by scripture, kindly find me anywhere in your Bible any kind of authorization or instruction for any specific kind of observance of a holiday commemorating the birth of Christ.
Well, my Friend, the Bible does not tell me which row to sit in, nor which chair or pew to sit in, when I go to church. But, according to your logic -- since the Bible does not give me that information -- I should not go to church. Okay!
So, you do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, etc.? My Friend, your Legalism is beginning more and more, day by day, to resemble the religion created by Herbert W. Armstrong. Or is it Charles Taze Russell and the JWs you lean toward. Or, possibly William Miller, Ellen G. White, etc., of the Seventh Day Adventist church is the one which appeals to your mindset.
Not saying that you attend any of those churches; not even sure you attend any church. But, your theology sure seems to include the teachings of all the above.
My Friend, I would strongly suggest you get into the Bible and take a good Conservative look at what Scripture is teaching.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Blithering Bill submits this drivel:
"Well, my Friend, the Bible does not tell me which row to sit in, nor which chair or pew to sit in, when I go to church. But, according to your logic -- since the Bible does not give me that information -- I should not go to church. Okay!"
NOT okay.us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together ( Hebrews 10:25) This is essentially are command to "go to church." From this an obvious and necessary inference proceeds, namely that Christians should come together at some common place. Nothing is commanded as to what kind of place in which to assemble assemble and thus the choice of the place is discretionary.
As to special Christian holidays, there is no underlying commandment or imperative of any sort in scripture for observing these, nor is there any indication in the New Testament that Christians in the First Century observed such holidays.
Can you not see the difference, Bill? For purposes of this discussion I have not argued that the observance of religious holidays is wrong, but I am stating that there is no parallel with the choice of seating arrangements, as in your failed attempt to construct, using your flawed exegesis and twisted hermeneutics. And I would reiterate my CONSERVATIVE criticism of those like YOU, who rebuke and denigrate those of us who choose not to observe that which is neither commanded or exemplified in scripture. See how that makes me more CONSERVATIVE than you, Liberal Bill!
And, Bill--the next time you list a bunch of cultists and ASSert that my beliefs are like theirs, kindly do more than ASSert such charges. SHOW where I am in agreement with such heretics. It might well be that YOU agree with SOME of the beliefs held by all or some of those you listed. It is difficult for even a cultist to be 100 percent in error. But instead of boringly leveling generalized and unexplicated ASSertions, how about manning up and stating your specifics and we can go from there? Or do you really want to have such discussions?
In my post above, the following:
"This is essentially are command to..."
should read:
"This is essentially a command to..."
Contendah, my Friend,
You tell me, "It is difficult for even a cultist to be 100 percent in error."
That is true, my Friend. But, I have faith in you. Keep going in the direction you are walking -- and one day you will be 100 percent!
Since you say that some of all those theologies are right -- which parts have YOU taken for your legalistic (I hate all conservatives) theology?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Christmas = Christ + mas
"mas" being short for "mass," a religious service.
Bill, do you celebrate mass?
Christmas = Christ + mas
"mas" being short for "mass," a religious service.
Bill, do you celebrate mass?
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Bill only celebrates being Bill. Narcissism is its own reason for being.
quote: Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:Christmas = Christ + mas
"mas" being short for "mass," a religious service.
Bill, do you celebrate mass?
Hi Kate,
Yes, I have heard that before. But, it is not the word we celebrate, but the Person who was born over 2000 years ago to give YOU and me the opportunity to receive Him as our Lord and Savior -- and to choose to spend eternity in His presence.
You may find this interesting regarding the name of Christmas:
The Origin of the Word “Christmas”
by Michelle 'Chaella' Boddie
https://christmasallyearbymich...-the-word-christmas/
“The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse,the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131. In Dutch it is Kerst-misse, in Latin Dies Natalis, whence comes the French Noël, and Italian Il natale; in GermanWeihnachtsfest, from the preceeding sacred vigil.” ~ Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)
“Christmas (i.e. the Mass of Christ), in the Christian Church, the festival of the nativity of Jesus Christ.” ~ 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica
“Christmas (krĭs′ mas), the day on which the birth of Jesus Christ is observed. The first certain traces of the festival are found about the time of the Emperor Commodus (180–192 A. D.). In the reign of Diocletian a churchful of Christians, gathered to celebrate Christmas, were burned by order of the emperor. The birth was celebrated in May, April and January by the early Christians. I
It is almost certain that the 25th of December is not Christ’s birthday, as it is the rainy season in Judæa, and shepherds could hardly be watching their flocks by night in the plains at that time.
The present date came to be used probably because all heathen nations celebrated that season with great festivities, as the old Norse Yule-feast. The beautiful Christmas carols at first were manger-songs, telling the story of Christ’s birth. The Christmas-tree with its hanging toys was a custom borrowed from the Romans, and is told about by the poet Vergil. The visit of Santa Claus bearing gifts belongs properly to December 6, the festival of St. Nicholas.” ~ The New Student’s Reference Work (1914)
God bless, have a glorious and happy Christmas season,
Bill
you people should know, bill has his own 'facts'. it's hard to argue with someone, with their own facts.
Holiday and traditions stolen from paganism-if jesus existed he would have been over two years old before the 'wise' men finally saw him-he would have been born in the summer-people have said 'happy holidays' since the observance of holidays began-look at old vintage xmas/holiday cards. Rooming/staying in a 'manger' was not unusual for travelers, the animals were 'housed' on the ground floor. I doubt there were a lot of, gasp, 'holiday inns' back then anyway. When I was a small child I remember a huge banner in Sheffield that said 'happy holidays'. Don't remember my parents or members of my church getting bent out of shape about it.
Christmas = Christ + mas
"mas" being short for "mass," a religious service.
Bill, do you celebrate mass?
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Bill only celebrates being Bill. Narcissism is its own reason for being.
quote: Originally Posted by Bestworking:Holiday and traditions stolen from paganism - if jesus existed he would have been over two years old before the 'wise' men finally saw him - he would have been born in the summer - people have said 'happy holidays' since the observance of holidays began-look at old vintage xmas/holiday cards.
Rooming/staying in a 'manger' was not unusual for travelers, the animals were 'housed' on the ground floor. I doubt there were a lot of, gasp, 'holiday inns' back then anyway. When I was a small child I remember a huge banner in Sheffield that said 'happy holidays'. Don't remember my parents or members of my church getting bent out of shape about it.
Hi Jennifer Best,
Thank you for your insightful thoughts. You are correct. Jesus was not a new-born infant in the stable when the Wise Men came. Joseph and Mary were living in a house by that time:
Matthew 2:11, "After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they [fn]fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh."
And, we know that Jesus was at least two years old at that time, for we read of Herod's execution of all children two years old and younger:
Matthew 2:16, "Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, and sent and slew all the male children who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi."
Also, you are correct that Jesus was not born on December 25th, or during any time in winter. The shepherds were in the field with their sheep -- and that would not happen in the winter. Most scholars place the time of His birth to be in the Fall, when shepherds would still be in the fields.
You are also right that celebrating Christmas, the birth of Christ, happened because of a pagan holiday. The Romans and other pagans had a debauched orgy type holiday they called Saturnalia.
Christian leaders, not wanting those still new and weak in their Christian faith to be lured into this debased celebration -- gave the Christian community a better alternative -- celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Thus we have Christmas, the celebration of His birth.
Thank you for you insightful comments.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Contendah, my Friend,
You tell me, "It is difficult for even a cultist to be 100 percent in error."
That is true, my Friend. But, I have faith in you. Keep going in the direction you are walking -- and one day you will be 100 percent!
Since you say that some of all those theologies are right -- which parts have YOU taken for your legalistic (I hate all conservatives) theology?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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That one, Bill, is simply too flagrantly inane to merit any reply other than: YOU ARE A MORON!
Hello hod. Again, people have declared 'happy holidays' since the observance of holidays began. It's only the last few years that the fundies have been getting their undies in a wad about it.
