Hi to everyone,

Reading 46:1's discussion asking why the discrimination; I read the last post where someone suggested getting a gun for protection against homosexuals.

I had begun to respond to this when I noticed the discussion had been frozen -- which is good.

However, I still want to make a statement: I do not believe that the suggestion to carry a gun to keep homosexuals in the park from coming on to a person -- is a very good idea. As a matter of fact, I find it a frightening suggestion.

Anytime a civilian is armed with a gun, in the park or otherwise, there is always a possibility of violence, of someone being harmed.

What is the best way to respond when a homosexual comes on to you? First off, just walk away. If they pursue you, do as someone suggested and call the police. Most of us have cell phones today; easy to call the police.

Personally, over the years I have found that walking away works. Only once did I have to tell a guy, "Look, I am straight. I accept the fact that you are gay -- but, I am not. So, if you cannot accept that, tough." And, he left me alone. Easy, no gun required, no violence required, I did not even have to get nasty or abusive. Try it. It works. And, if not, call the police.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
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Straight or gay, does it matter? If you do not accept the advances of someone then remove yourself from the situation.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

What is the best way to respond when a homosexual comes on to you? First off, just walk away.


I think the polite, Christian, response would be the same, heterosexual or homosexual, and it should be, "No thank you, I am not interested." What you are describing is a predator, regardless of orientation. That un-Christian prejudice just pops up in the darndest places now doesn't it?
Wheather you are gay or straight, male or female "no" means NO. Thankfully straight women don't shoot every time men hit on them - there would be lots of dead men and lots of women on death row. I have been hit on in malls, grocery stores, and even the Post Office. I have also been followed and harrassed by straight men. This is not just a "gay" issue. From another perspective we must remember that male on male rape is very rare and, like all rape, really has nothing to do with "sex", but has more to do with control, humiliation and violence.

The whole issue of "cruising" in public parks has been around for years. In the mid 90s the Florence police did a sting and arrested 30+ individuals soliciting sex. Initially they were going to publish all the names in the paper as a deterrent. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the men turned out to be married with families. I vividly recall the police officer being interviewed saying "we are not trying to invade anyones privacy, or ruin their lives. We just want to stop the park "cruising". Most of the gay people I know are in relationships. Those who are not have discovered more civilized ways of meeting people. As the whole Larry Craig story has pointed out - for married men who lead double lives, and are from a generation accustomed to lying about their orientation because it was more socially acceptable than being "out", there is a whole culture involved in clandestine sexual activity. I must remind everyone, however, that this promiscuity is not just a gay man "thing" - it is a MAN thing. Straight men are worse simply because there are more of them. Casanova, Wilt Chamberland and Warren Beatty (among many others)all had over 1000 *women and they were/are straight.

As we know, there are those who would do harm to gay people for no other reason than they exist. I have always been an advocate for everyone knowing how to properly defend themselves against violence. If you feel threatened let someone know. Call the cops, yell, make a scene - do what ever is neccessary to protect yourself. If that means carrying a gun - so be it. It would be an idiot that would assume that gay people are incapable of defending themselves.

*Women are pretty bad too. It takes two to tango.
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Outside of prisons, I don't think same sex rapes are a very common occurrance.

I personally think that our resident numeral:numeral poster was frightened by a performance of Cher in her "Half Breed" costume as a child, followed by a traumatic experience with Paul Lynde on the Hollywood Squares.

But all humor aside, all that rhetoric only shows that the Matthew Shepherd "got what he was deserving" and "gay panic defenses" still have adherents in this country.

Isn't legislating against a sexual identity like legislating against rain on weekends?

With wild eyed fanatics packing heat everywhere they go, is there any wonder they soon find a "need" to "defend themselves"? Most people find an unwanted advance of any type is usually stymied by a simple walking away or saying "Go away."
Usually people that are so hostile are really frightened by their own true feelings. This is 2008, it is perfectly acceptable to come out of the closet. I won't mention any names or should I say numbers?
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Wheather you are gay or straight, male or female "no" means NO. Thankfully straight women don't shoot every time men hit on them - there would be lots of dead men and lots of women on death row. I have been hit on in malls, grocery stores, and even the Post Office. I have also been followed and harrassed by straight men. This is not just a "gay" issue. From another perspective we must remember that male on male rape is very rare and, like all rape, really has nothing to do with "sex", but has more to do with control, humiliation and violence.

The whole issue of "cruising" in public parks has been around for years. In the mid 90s the Florence police did a sting and arrested 30+ individuals soliciting sex. Initially they were going to publish all the names in the paper as a deterrent. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the men turned out to be married with families. I vividly recall the police officer being interviewed saying "we are not trying to invade anyones privacy, or ruin their lives. We just want to stop the park "cruising". Most of the gay people I know are in relationships. Those who are not have discovered more civilized ways of meeting people. As the whole Larry Craig story has pointed out - for married men who lead double lives, and are from a generation accustomed to lying about their orientation because it was more socially acceptable than being "out", there is a whole culture involved in clandestine sexual activity. I must remind everyone, however, that this promiscuity is not just a gay man "thing" - it is a MAN thing. Straight men are worse simply because there are more of them. Casanova, Wilt Chamberland and Warren Beatty (among many others)all had over 1000 *women and they were/are straight.

As we know, there are those who would do harm to gay people for no other reason than they exist. I have always been an advocate for everyone knowing how to properly defend themselves against violence. If you feel threatened let someone know. Call the cops, yell, make a scene - do what ever is neccessary to protect yourself. If that means carrying a gun - so be it. It would be an idiot that would assume that gay people are incapable of defending themselves.

*Women are pretty bad too. It takes two to tango.


I have to agree on this mean.

I am a young female and I can't go anywhere without seeing "elevator eyes" or being howled/whistled at. I'm a married woman now and that seems to make it even worse! I can be holding my husband's hand, and I find men are staring and trying to make gestures at me.

I have been hit on by lesbians only once or twice in my life. And when I explained to them I was in a long term relationship with a man, they understood. It didn't stop them from being nice people or us being friendly. They understood WHY I wasn't interested and it took away the "mystery". Also, they didn't hit on me in some flamboyant, predatory way. It was casually and they were just trying to figure out whether I was gay or straight. All I had to do was tell them and it was left at that. Nothing hard.

It's so funny reading some of the posts on here. I can just picture some of the posters finding out that someone they are having a conversation with is gay. I see them running and screaming as if it were "The Blob" or some cheesey sci-fi movie. Hilarious.

You can't "catch" homosexuality. It doesn't work that way. Children don't "learn" it either. They may understand homosexuality more because of who their parent is, but that will not make them gay.

Sadly, I predict more acts like Matthew Shepherd because there are still many homophobes that exist. If more people who threaten homosexuals become lawmakers, it might even become legal to kill homosexuals.

It scares me at the extent that some people are able to hate. I didn't really know HOW to hate growing up. I didn't like things or people, but HATE. I just never experienced that. I get so terrified reading some of the posts on this forum.

Imagine someone coming out on this forum?!? Talk about bloodshed....

I have to agree with Neal. It sounds like a lot of people are not very comfortable with themselves. I guess it could be the fear of the unknown as well.
First of all carrying a gun to protect yourself from homosexual advances is absurd. Anyone who knows the gay culture could tell you that decades of being shot at has produced a generation of bullet proof homosexuals many with the strength of several men.

They also like to travel in packs of up to 20 so a gun is of little protection. When I go to the park I usually wear a explosive vest and I've also undertaken the precaution of having my bottom sewn up.

Years ago while at the park I had a guy nod as if to say hi and although I was armed I wasn't sure whether or not to open fire. This got me looking into new technologies and I stumbled on the AF-400W which is a personal drone plane. For only 425 million per year the drone - equipped with Vista Gaydar Express Home Edition is capable of firing up to 24 short range missiles at any approaching homosexual within a 300 year radius.

Of course not everyone has 425 million dollars a year to spend or the luxury of being able to reroute their intestinal tract. For a lot less you can have your penis reshaped into a vagina which has been clinically proven to eliminate the threat of homosexual atack.
It is not, however, "absurd" for a homosexual to carry a gun in order to protect themselves from deranged straight men who are so insecure with their on inclinations that they can and do kill homosexuals simply because they exist. Would any one of us like to see your son hanging like a scarecrow from a fence post? Judy Shepard had just that experience.
Newsflash - most gay men are not interested in homophobic straight men! LOL

Seriously, if you think you need a gun to "protect" yourself from someone coming on to you, I will suggest something better for you - a psychiatrist!
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Originally posted by David L.:
Newsflash - most gay men are not interested in homophobic straight men! LOL


Ya think? Wink

I'm thinkin' you may be on to something there. That would make... sense.
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Originally posted by David L.:
Well, of course there are exceptions! Just like some straight women are attracted to gay men.


Yes. And the straight men who are sure that one night with them would be enough to convert every lesbian they know. Big Grin

But it seems the most conceited of all are the honest-to-goodness gay-bashers who are convinced that they can't turn a corner without being hit on by a gay person.

Something tells me your earlier observation was spot on.
If I remember those "sting" operations in the park and at Fisherman's Park on the Limestone county side of the Tennessee River in Decatur netted several preachers. One of whom had his grown son also "fishing" with him.
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But it seems the most conceited of all are the honest-to-goodness gay-bashers who are convinced that they can't turn a corner without being hit on by a gay person.


Oh yes. Almost makes me want to abort. Mad
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46:1


Now you quote Bible verses?



lol....not exactly....guess that was an "inside joke"

But honestly now, e has a valid poing....what is it about you that you think would be a "turn on" to gay men?
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Originally posted by jetboy:
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46:1


Now you quote Bible verses?



lol....not exactly....guess that was an "inside joke"

But honestly now, e has a valid point....what is it about you that you think would be a "turn on" to gay men?
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Originally posted by jetboy:
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But it seems the most conceited of all are the honest-to-goodness gay-bashers who are convinced that they can't turn a corner without being hit on by a gay person.


Oh yes. Almost makes me want to abort. Mad


I'll bet that statement just sends you into orbit!
Wjatever anyone does in the privacy of their own home is none of my business... I dont like public display of affection from anyone, gay or straight.. My husband and I took our kids to a park this past weekend and there was a young guy and girl sitting on a blanket making out. I told them that this was a place for children and they needed to act like adults. They were not gay but they were offensive... I know gay people and have not seen that kind of behavior from them.
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Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:
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Originally posted by jetboy:
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46:1


Now you quote Bible verses?



lol....not exactly....guess that was an "inside joke"

But honestly now, e has a valid point....what is it about you that you think would be a "turn on" to gay men?
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But honestly now, e has a valid point....what is it about you that you think would be a "turn on" to gay men?



everything about me, I am just lovable. i like gay men, gay men like me, not one thing you can do about it , meanasasnake, err I mean NotFeelingSaf...
I have carried a gun for safety....but not once in my mind was it to protect myself from anyone gay.
It's the straight men that rape & kill that scare me.
Someone will find fault in my words but I don't give a rat's behind what people think anymore. Cool
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I have carried a gun for safety....but not once in my mind was it to protect myself from anyone gay.
It's the straight men that rape & kill that scare me.
Someone will find fault in my words but I don't give a rat's behind what people think anymore.



No one has suggested using guns against homosexuals. It was the homosexuals that suggested using guns against straights that 'abused' them.
Sort of frightening to think that you can't just smack a gay guy around without fear that he might protect himself ehh? When someone is "thumping" you, or beating you up its hard to tell if they are going to kill you or just satisfy some sadistic validation of masculinity. If someone started verbally abusing you in a parking lot and then proceeded to physically abuse you, would you wait to see if they were going to kill you or would you protect yourself? I say do what ever you have to to protect youself. The best solution would be NOT to verbally or physically abuse ANYONE! That would ensure that no one felt threatened and did not feel the need to protect themselves. Find yourself a new hobby - there is nothing more pathetic than a middle aged playground bully.

P.S. Actually the suggestion of carrying a firearm came from a straight woman, not a gay guy or a lesbian. As Taci pointed out, straight men are the most violent in our society. That is not to say they are all bad but the facts are the facts.
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Originally posted by jetboy:
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But honestly now, e has a valid point....what is it about you that you think would be a "turn on" to gay men?



everything about me, I am just lovable. i like gay men, gay men like me, not one thing you can do about it , meanasasnake, err I mean NotFeelingSaf...


Thank you for finally answering me. The fact is, darlin, I have no desire to do anything about it. Your preferences are your own and you have every right to them, for friendship, love, or anything else. The thing I object to is people harassing other people for having preferences different from their own....or opinions.....or beliefs. "live and let live" "let God be the judge" (or - let go and let God) are two rules I "try" to live by. I'm not always successful with that but I try to be.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi to everyone,
Reading 46:1's discussion asking why the discrimination; I read the last post where someone suggested getting a gun for protection against homosexuals.
I had begun to respond to this when I noticed the discussion had been frozen -- which is good.
However, I still want to make a statement: I do not believe that the suggestion to carry a gun to keep homosexuals in the park from coming on to a person -- is a very good idea. As a matter of fact, I find it a frightening suggestion.


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Originally posted by Taciturn:
I have carried a gun for safety....but not once in my mind was it to protect myself from anyone gay.
It's the straight men that rape & kill that scare me.
Someone will find fault in my words but I don't give a rat's behind what people think anymore.


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Originally posted by jetboy:
No one has suggested using guns against homosexuals. It was the homosexuals that suggested using guns against straights that 'abused' them.


Read the original post in this discussion. (I have included it here) That’s the one I was replying to.
And, Yes, it has been suggested. In the discussion that was deleted, 46:1 said he has (and would again) used violence against homosexuals.
I stand by my comment. Wink
I read this over and over again and other posts over and over again trying to figure out if it was documented where this 46.1 guy had been abusive or mean or threatening to gay people and came up with this... I am amazed that people did not tell him that it was him that walked up to the gay men and he turned it violent and ran them off... from his very own words he went to them, he either verbally or fiscally attacked them... Could he not just have walked away from them since they were the ones in the pavillon to start with? Now I can see where everyone on here is coming from.... he went to that pavillon to cause trouble and trouble he caused just like on the threads. I am going to past it here so you can see what I read... I just wanted to understand why ppl were upset at 46.1

Here:

46:1
Small Talker

Posted 27 April 2008 12:24 PM Hide Post
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"I have kicked them and struck them". (a gay man).


Wrong...I stated that "I kicked one in the rear quarters once". You ADDED the "struck" part.

To explain...I was at Veterans park (camping). I had went for a walk, sat down at a pavillion occupied by twm men(?). They immediately begain talking about sex. One made a remark toward me...thats when I put them on their way.

I did it then, and yes I would do it again!


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"I like to call em the trash they are". (verbal abuse, considered a theat).


Names like you call me...like "white trash"?

I have no reservations about speaking my thoughts!

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"I like to give em a good "thumpin" every now and again. (another threat of physical abuse).


Your ignorance shows. Ever heard of a Bible thumper? I think you know what I meant though...just trying to twist it to fit your agenda.

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He also refered to them as "sissys" and "wimps". (childish playground crap).


Just my observation of the 'pavillion' incident...

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My remark to him was: " I know lesbians who COULD kick your ass to the Tennessee line." I made no threat of violence, just stated that gay people would be within their rights to fight back. I was informed that the comments were deleated because of 46:1's remarks - not mine.


Be careful out in public when flinging words like that around...when you threatened to kick someones ass...you better be ready...espeially people like me! All this proves is you make statements you can't stand behind. Wimp out so to speak.

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I urge anyone threatened to take action. If someone verbally, or especially physically abuses you - press charges, arm yourself, and do what ever is neccessary under the law to protect yourself. People like this will not prevail in our society


I suggest you don't go around threatening to kick peoples ass then...

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And last but certainly not least...I appreciate you proving that maggie and estoy de russiville were lying!



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TTT,

Let me try and explain.

46:1 joined a discussion last week when I remarked that "there is not one thing you can do about gay people" by saying the following:

"You think there is not much I can do about homosexuals??? When I see them I talk to them like the trash they are...haven't had one yet that would make a stand for his sissy self. I have smacked em and kicked em in the hind quarters ...bunch of wimps they are.

Me? interested in the salvation of homosexuals??? LOL LOL LOL...now thats good for a downright good ole belly laugh. "

I copied to my files.

I reported his language to the moderators and they deleated the remarks, and asked him not to continue his abusive language. He then started a new topic about "discrimination"(which was shut down by the TD staff), changed his story to include the fascinating story about the pavilion, to try and justify his words.When several other members denounced his remarks (including Bill Gray), he became belligerent and angry. He was eventually suspended and has now returned as "Jetboy". He now contends that I am the violent one because I suggest that EVERYONE should protect themselves from physical harm in any way necessary. He seems to think just a little verbal abuse, kicking, and "thumping" is not cause for alarm. My question is how does one know if its just getting roughed up or that you are about to be thrown into the trunk of a car, driven into the woods somewhere and beaten to death? I, for one, would not wait to see if I was just going to be smacked around a little. I would protect myself and I highly recommend it to anyone else. My final suggestion was that no one should verbally or physically abuse anyone - that way no one would feel the need to protect themselves. I think that is called "common sense".
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I've always heard that the biggest homophobes were those who were afraid of their own homosexual leanings. Don't know if that's true or not, but it would certainly make sense to connect the self-loathing part to its manifestation in being homophobic.
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TheTotalTruth



Two people advocated using guns, meanasasnake and taciturn. I have never needed a gun to ward off homosexuals Big Grin
I have absolutely no problem with the 2nd Amendment. If an individual feels threatened by some rednec,abusive, homophobe, rascist, moron who may harm them - I strongly support carrying a hand gun for personal PROTECTION. To many people think its their privilege to physically assault individuals who they don't like. NO ONE should have to live in fear, but if you do, take control of the situation and protect yourself. I absolutely advocate using firearms for personal protection - no question. Big Grin
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This bears repeating:

Sort of frightening to think that you can't just smack a gay guy around without fear that he might protect himself ehh? When someone is "thumping" you, or beating you up its hard to tell if they are going to kill you or just satisfy some sadistic validation of masculinity. If someone started verbally abusing you in a parking lot and then proceeded to physically abuse you, would you wait to see if they were going to kill you or would you protect yourself? I say do what ever you have to to protect youself. The best solution would be NOT to verbally or physically abuse ANYONE! That would ensure that no one felt threatened and did not feel the need to protect themselves. Find yourself a new hobby - there is nothing more pathetic than a middle aged playground bully.

P.S. Actually the suggestion of carrying a firearm came from a straight woman, not a gay guy or a lesbian. As Taci pointed out, straight men are the most violent in our society. That is not to say they are all bad but the facts are the facts. Big Grin
I just discovered this lovely little article published in the "Seattle Weekly", June 21, 2000, about the NRA - thought it might be of interest.

The NRA contends it doesn't care who gets the training, a gun owner is a gun owner. "We don't ask gender or gender preference," says NRA spokesman Jim Manown when asked about gay membership in the organization. "Personally, I run into all sorts of individuals." The rub is that many gays and lesbians might never feel totally comfortable with an organization whose political supporters include a lot of right-wing homophobes. Thus, Cease Fear acts as a bridge between the two communities, promoting safety and gun ownership without the baggage of the NRA.

But with or without the NRA, some gays are decidedly pro-gun—or at least pro-self-defense. A recent article on Salon, Jonathan Rauch, makes the case for gays being armed. In response to mounting hate crimes and gay-bashing incidents, Rauch argues that guns not only can protect gays, but transform them, just as self-defense has empowered Jews. "Guns can do the same thing for homosexuals: emancipate them from their image—often internalized—of cringing weakness. I'll warrant that this would do far more for the self-esteem of the next generation of gay men and women than any number of hate crime laws or antidiscrimination statutes."

Rauch writes, "Let's make gay bashing dangerous."

"Cease Fear" - what a wonderful name for an organization.
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I have absolutely no problem with the 2nd Amendment. If an individual feels threatened by some rednec,abusive, homophobe, rascist, moron who may harm them - I strongly support carrying a hand gun for personal PROTECTION. To many people think its their privilege to physically assault individuals who they don't like. NO ONE should have to live in fear, but if you do, take control of the situation and protect yourself. I absolutely advocate using firearms for personal protection - no question.



Racist??? I agree you need to add something, for you don't have a case otherwise.


BTW; no one has to sit idely by and let homosexuals make sexual advances toward you in public places, or anywhere else for that matter. You wont need a gun though, they run at a big BOO Hew Haw HAWw! Razzer

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