Kraven posted:
When Hellda wins the 2020 WH,,, can you explain how your
life will change.? Liberals should be able to answer questions
for the reasons they believe as they do.....

 

That's a huge assumption that she is going to make it that far.  I think she could possibly live to that date but given her current health status I can't see any way she could/would hold up to any kind of campaign rigorous schedule so she'd have to be "carried" along to each and every campaign meeting.  The media might conceal, or attempt to, her frail health but those people that see her out surely can't be deceived and the extra taxing on her health could just tip the scale against her.   

Also, that's assuming that other Democrats, Like Biden or Elizabeth Warren, would relinquish the race to her by not running as they did in 2015-2016 race and that Bernie would play nice and be nieve, all over again, as well as other potential Democratic contenders not to run or play nice with her regarding all the baggage she carries with her.  I think Hillary is a dinosaur of the past and that even the Democrats are ready for her to move on to retirement.  I think her health (especially by that time) will preclude a run.  I know her mind wants to rule the world and be president but I don't know that her health will cooperate.  She might run but she'd have to be propped up and carried all along and surely limit the number of campaign appearances she would have.

All in all, I just don't see her making a serious run at the 2020 race and even if, in all improbability, she was to run and win the nomination she'd still have to beat the Republican candidate and usually (if Trump decides to run) the incumbent President has historically had a huge advantage, not to mention Trump has demonstrated great success in many areas so it's going to be difficult for any Democrat to show cause why he shouldn't be given another four years.

Sorry, I know that's not an answer to your actual question to the forum so I do apologize for that.  It's just I don't think your question can be answered because there's not any way that I can see or envision that Hillary could make any "legal" American's life better unless it's someone that just chooses not to work or wants the Government to support them from cradle to the grave with no input on their part.  But if somehow she does/did win then purchase stock in the anti-anxiety and anti-depressant drugs cause there will be a boatload of new need for them.

For example,

This is what Libs want from POTUS. This makes Libs happy to name
one of many changes for everyone
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‘Female Obama’ Kamala Harris Wants Americans to Pay Other Peoples’ Rent
The ‘female Obama’, Kamala Harris hit the freebie jackpot with her latest idea. She says it’s absurd that so many Americans spend 30 percent on rent so she wants those of us who own homes or pay less to subsidize them.
 

With that line of reasoning, 80 percent of the country will pay their rent and get to pay other peoples’ rents too.

The California leftist wants to subsidize the rent of Americans who live in apartments, condos or townhouses they cannot afford.

Since the government doesn’t have any money, it’s our money she plans to spend.

RENT RELIEF ACT

It won’t be rent relief for most of us.

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There's a million stories in the communist way of life, waiting for not
only you but also for you, and all children--- 
 
Liberals have some false idea about being immune to the bite of
the snake--

Hey, I'm not arguing against you Kraven, I agree but the percentage paying the way for everyone will be, I'm afraid, far less than the 80% you mentioned.  The danger here, even with the 80% figure is that so many of the remaining people can vote and would most certainly vote for the "free ride".  It is frustrating but very likely will be a winning move for the Democrats especially if by some way, or when, they get all the illegals declared legal through some form of amnesty, which you can bet your last dollar will include "the right to vote" because they know that means so many more, sure, Democrat voters.   If they thought for a moment that most would vote Republican there is no way they would allow such to happen. 

So, in my thinking (limited as it is), Democrats are leaning Socialist (if not Communistic in some ways) giving away money to those who won't work or are not willing to, paid for by those that do work, and striving for Illegals to be given the vote or to make them legal in order to achieve their vote.  These people are already used to living in nations far different than America which is one reason they strive to get here at any expense.  Ironic that their vote would most likely turn this nation into that very thing they are striving to get away from.

 

direstraits posted:

A recent article in the TD decried that persons making minimum wage couldn't afford a 3 bedroom apartment.  Only about 2.5 percent of those in the workforce make minimum wage. Most of them are living with their parents. 

You are aware that nearly 30% of the US population earns 'near' minimum wage and are considered to be 'living in poverty' or were you just trying to be willfully dishonest in your post?

direstraits posted:

A recent article in the TD decried that persons making minimum wage couldn't afford a 3 bedroom apartment.  Only about 2.5 percent of those in the workforce make minimum wage. Most of them are living with their parents. 

How many times have we heard, "I could make more money somewhere else but I love what I do". Sit on your rear end, or take some low paying job because you enjoy it, and then complain about living expenses? Why not sober up, shave, get a better job or go back to school? Heaven knows the US spends enough on programs for the "poor" to make almost anything possible, if they wanted better.

I've been hearing about places like Chicago or could have been the State of Illinois as well as some other liberal politicians and even folks like Zuckerburg, of Facebook and a few other's in his league speaking about giving people a certain guaranteed income.   Not minimum wage but just a guaranteed amount of money each month, like welfare, totally free money a guaranteed pay only for no work, no job, just money to live on.  A salary for doing nothing so to say.  Everyone would be guaranteed something, some set amount and wouldn't have to work or have a job or qualify to get it.  

This is the Liberal utopia!  I say go for it.  I think Chicago and Illinois or California if they also signed on, should do exactly what they are suggesting everyone does.  Forget about imposing it on the whole United States and require Washington to make laws to do it Nationwide they should lead the way and do it there in their own city/state.  Prove to the nation that your liberal utopia works and is the place to be.  

I can envision it now, Chicago offers a free set amount given to all citizens regardless of if they work or not to ensure they have a standard of living and are not void of pay even though they won't work or don't have a job.  I envision Chicago's population exploding without bounds as countless of numbers of people, illegals, homeless, those not caring to work but wanting a free piece of the pie, relocate to Chicago and sign up for their free monthly payday from the city/state.   I can see the Illinois population also grow as numbers of people flee to the State where they can get money for nothing at all.   I can also then see the wealthy of the state, that will surely be taxed more, to pay for the free riders, start to relocate to states where their taxes would be less and they wouldn't have to pay people that won't work with their own earned money.  

You can also see the healthcare cost of the state will rise as hospitals are overcrowded with these new entitled "free ride" citizens who will end up stiffing the hospitals of any cost for their treatment.   Besides an ever-increasing population that will do nothing but  sign up for the free paydays, the City/State will set new records for increasing drug abuse/use and indebtedness as those that earn will be leaving but not near as fast as those seeking free money will be arriving.   

Okay, I admit it being more Conservative I am totally against such and am biased that it will fail miserably.   I also doubt, very much, that the billionaires, that are so supportive of this type system, will pony up any percentage of their worth to contribute to this wonderful plan they envision working for the entire Nation.  Since I am so obviously biased against such a system I would appreciate some of the more Liberal members of our community to enlighten me/us on just how a system like this, like championed by the likes of Bernie Sanders and some other Democrats, would work?   How would this work and how could it be sustained without enormous tax increases upon those who work now?   What would be the incentive of minimum wage workers, say at Burger King or the like, to continue to work while people who may be reclining against the building doing nothing make almost as much if not more then they do, to keep working that minimum wage job?  I mean how will something like guaranteed wages/pay work for everyone?

And while all the stay at home people collect their money and all
the minimum wage people quit, collect and stay at home, you
know the working slaves being taxed a minimum of 75 percent
aren't going to hang in there for any length of time--
Just wonder how many people can fit into California and west coast--

My point is these liberal (have more money than they have sense) brainiacs that want to impose this Nationwide and have Washington DC politicians implement it ought to just try it first in their own backyards.  California, Seattle, SanFransisco,  Chicago, Illinois or wherever these liberal meccas are let them implement it and prove how successful it is then they will have something to show the Washington lawmakers to prove it works.  

Which we all (well most of us) know it wouldn't.  

Most of what's going on is smoke, the number one importance is to
illegally put as many dirtbags on the voting machines, enough of
those that can also gain the congress then our Constitution is dead---
That's the primary goal of the G. Soros type one world people, and
there are more than you can shake a stick at.
 
Again I'll say Trump put a kink in the plan, there's no other reason
for the entire country to go crazy above and beyond reason--
They were that close, no other time in our history has the anti-
Americans gone this out of their minds this completely and for
as long as it's been active with no let up in sight is self explanatory--
 
You can bet Mexico has been promised all border states, they have
never been this on fire, it's a war to them and I believe it should
begin now, lets get this all out in the open and let it ride--  
 
All the world migrations have been contrived, wars and such----
Kraven posted:
Most of what's going on is smoke, the number one importance is to
illegally put as many dirtbags on the voting machines, enough of
those that can also gain the congress then our Constitution is dead---
That's the primary goal of the G. Soros type one world people, and
there are more than you can shake a stick at.
 
Again I'll say Trump put a kink in the plan, there's no other reason
for the entire country to go crazy above and beyond reason--
They were that close, no other time in our history has the anti-
Americans gone this out of their minds this completely and for
as long as it's been active with no let up in sight is self explanatory--
 
You can bet Mexico has been promised all border states, they have
never been this on fire, it's a war to them and I believe it should
begin now, lets get this all out in the open and let it ride--  
 
All the world migrations have been contrived, wars and such----

Not disagreeing with you but if they (liberals/Democrats) were to relinquish the western states that Mexico claims are rightfully theirs and that they want then that would cut the Democrat's potential Electoral College votes or sure guaranteed liberal votes by a huge amount.  You really think they would let California go?

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