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Do right wing republicans hate the constitution?

Please excuse me for asking this question. I know it's a little strong. I've never had any of my conservative friends to tell me that they hated the constitution but seem to always cut it down except for the second amendment. It seems that a lot of conservatives are proud to wave the flag but spit on the constitution. Now, I'm not accusing any one on this message board of hating the constitution so don't take me wrong. I'm just hoping a few of you conservatives can explain to me why the constitution is not very popular with right wing republicans or the religious right. The moderate republicans seem not to have a problem with the United States Constitution. So, I was wondering if some of you could point out and make me understand where you might stand on the constitution. It just seems that conservatives like part of the constitution but not all of the constitution and if they had their way they would re-write it. So, if you will, educate us on where you stand on the constitution.
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Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
Sassy supports the constitution in full. Except the parts George W Bush and his staff have ignored and violated over the last 8 years. Get with it JJPaul.


If you could prove you allegations, GWB would have been out of office years ago. You can't, and your statement is just another version of your little whine.

Come up with something new. You're boring me.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
Sassy supports the constitution in full. Except the parts George W Bush and his staff have ignored and violated over the last 8 years. Get with it JJPaul.


If you could prove you allegations, GWB would have been out of office years ago. You can't, and your statement is just another version of your little whine.

Come up with something new. You're boring me.


If I have to "prove" it, you have either been in a coma or just very blind the last 8 years. I get tired of posting facts from credible news sources and opinions of leading people in appropriate fields and the Conservative response being a brilliant "nuh uh."

A simple google search of "Bush Violates Constitution" will return numerous articles, and links from credible resources with numerous examples of his administration doing just that, in the opinion of scholars, law professors, lawyers, judges, politicians and constitution experts.

You know **** well Bush is not going to be tried for it. So you hide behind the claim of "He would be in prison if he violated the constitution." Really? YOU really believe that? Very naive.
Well, I did your Google and got this horrible example of constitution ignorance by President Bush. You are so right. I feel violated.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WASHINGTON — House Democrats want President Bush to say whether he knew of what they call a "fundamental constitutional problem" with the $39 billion deficit reduction package he signed last month.

A letter to Bush, signed by House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Henry Waxman of California and released Thursday, is the latest challenge to a bill that was passed in slightly different forms by the House and Senate before it was sent to Bush.

"A bill is not law unless the same version is passed by both the House and the Senate and signed by the president," top Democrats wrote to Bush. He signed it on Feb. 8.

The Senate version of the bill said Medicare can pay to rent some types of medical equipment for 13 months, as intended by congressional negotiators. A clerk erroneously wrote down 36 months before the bill was sent back to the House for a final vote, and that's what the House approved Feb. 1.

By the time the bill was shipped to Bush, the number was back to 13 months as passed by the Senate.

Recognizing the problem, the Senate passed a resolution hours after Bush signed the bill confirming that the measure transmitted to the president was "deemed the true enrollment reflecting the intention of the Congress." The White House considers the matter settled. AAAGGGHHHH
I guess I have to do the search since littlemeanmama can't use the internet properly. Of course this is the same woman who said she had a degree in biology and she knew for a fact that the claims of the Austrailian doctor finding a gecko body in an egg was impossible, then went back and deleted that after evidence started pouring in to the contrary.

Bush Violates Constitution.

Bush Violates Constitution

Bush Violates Constitution

Bush Violates Constitution Again

You Tube Link - Bush Violated Constitution

Ron Paul - Bush Violated Constitution and Should be Impeached

House Democrats Say Bush Violated Constitution

Bush Ignores Constitution

Congress Irrelevant

This is just a very few of the thousands I came across. There are literally hundreds of thousands in the Blogosphere. Meanmama, take that biology degree and learn to use the internetS.
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Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
Sassy supports the constitution in full. Except the parts George W Bush and his staff have ignored and violated over the last 8 years. Get with it JJPaul.


If you could prove you allegations, GWB would have been out of office years ago. You can't, and your statement is just another version of your little whine.

Come up with something new. You're boring me.


If I have to "prove" it, you have either been in a coma or just very blind the last 8 years. I get tired of posting facts from credible news sources and opinions of leading people in appropriate fields and the Conservative response being a brilliant "nuh uh."

A simple google search of "Bush Violates Constitution" will return numerous articles, and links from credible resources with numerous examples of his administration doing just that, in the opinion of scholars, law professors, lawyers, judges, politicians and constitution experts.

You know **** well Bush is not going to be tried for it. So you hide behind the claim of "He would be in prison if he violated the constitution." Really? YOU really believe that? Very naive.


Just as I thought. Just the regular liberal whine. If all your "credible" sources, and scholars, law professors, lawyers, judges, politicians and constitution experts could prove their allegations, and did not, then they have failed in their duties and responsibilities by not getting GWB out of office. As you have also.

Try to find another whine. That one's spoiled from being around too long with absolutely no validity.

And you still bore me.
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Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
I guess I have to do the search since littlemeanmama can't use the internet properly. Of course this is the same woman who said she had a degree in biology and she knew for a fact that the claims of the Austrailian doctor finding a gecko body in an egg was impossible, then went back and deleted that after evidence started pouring in to the contrary.

Bush Violates Constitution.

Bush Violates Constitution

Bush Violates Constitution

Bush Violates Constitution Again

You Tube Link - Bush Violated Constitution

****** Ron Paul - Bush Violated Constitution and Should be Impeached

House Democrats Say Bush Violated Constitution

Bush Ignores Constitution

Congress Irrelevant

This is just a very few of the thousands I came across. There are literally hundreds of thousands in the Blogosphere. Meanmama, take that biology degree and learn to use the internetS.



A Ron Paul link...well, imagine that!!
Not only Democrats/Liberals understand that Bush violated the Constitution. There are plenty of Conservative Republicans who see it too. It's just the vocal NeoCons who refuse to admit it. But they love GW. Their judgement is questionable at best.

And Sassy, you're right. It has no validity. Bush and Cheney don't agree with it, so it's not true. Nevermind that a majority of those entrenched in politics and law agree with it, ol GW didn't sign off on it, so it mustn't have been illegal.

Sassy, like most NeoCons, sees the Constitution as a piece of paper use to protect paranoid gun ownership but pretty much arbitrary after that.
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Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
Not only Democrats/Liberals understand that Bush violated the Constitution. There are plenty of Conservative Republicans who see it too. It's just the vocal NeoCons who refuse to admit it. But they love GW. Their judgement is questionable at best.


And Sassy, you're right. It has no validity. Bush and Cheney don't agree with it, so it's not true. Nevermind that a majority of those entrenched in politics and law agree with it, ol GW didn't sign off on it, so it mustn't have been illegal.

Sassy, like most NeoCons, sees the Constitution as a piece of paper use to protect paranoid gun ownership but pretty much arbitrary after that.


If all those dem/libs and all those Conservatives see such a violation, why haven't they done anything about it? There is a process to do so. Are they moral cowards, or just shirking the duties they were elected to fufill?

Obviously, only a minority of liberal extremists agree with you, or Bush would have been impeached, convicted and removed from office.

And there you go with the name calling again. I've already explained that I'm not a neocon, having never been a liberal. I doubt there are many, if any, neocons on the forum. Check you definitions before using terminology. Using the wrong name in an attempt to insult someone only makes you look stupid.

I've spent my adult life defending and supporting the Constitution. As it is written. Not how you want it to read.

And....

You have no idea how little I care what you think.
I believe I said earlier, they were all too much of ******* to do anything about it. Plus, he is a sitting President, do you really think they are going to try him? PLEASE. You mustn't really be that naive.

Amazing that you have spent your entire adult life defending the Constitution and you turn a blind eye to the most overt disregard for it our Government has ever seen. But that's ok, Bush can just wipe his ass with it.

And toots, you're the definition of a NeoCon.
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Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
I believe I said earlier, they were all too much of ******* to do anything about it. Plus, he is a sitting President, do you really think they are going to try him? PLEASE. You mustn't really be that naive.

Amazing that you have spent your entire adult life defending the Constitution and you turn a blind eye to the most overt disregard for it our Government has ever seen. But that's ok, Bush can just wipe his ass with it.

And toots, you're the definition of a NeoCon.


While you're not being naive, you do have your head so far up your anal orifice that your shoulders are impacted. Just how much more saintly do you perceive GWB to be than slick willie was? The Congress impeached slick willie for lying under oath. If Congress had even a wisp of evidence on GWB, the impeachment proceeding would be over by now. They don't, and they recognize that they don't. It's just the asinine few, such as yourself, that continue to whine, and whine, and whine....

Being a sitting President has absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Just over half of the US Congress would really love to string Bush up, but they don't have the stones, or the evidence to do so. Neither do you. Rumor and allegations are all you have. Neither are enough to bring criminal charges.

BTW: The term neoconservative was originally used as a criticism against liberals who had "moved to the right".

Neoconservatism

But, if me being labeled a "neocon" is important to you, go right ahead and use the term.

But please get a new whine. This one is getting moldy.
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Originally posted by JJPAUL:
A question for all, Did Bush Violate the Constitution on the war in Iraq? If so, why didn't the people support impeachment on something this big vs something as little as the Bill Clinton impeachment? One more question, did congress go against the constitution on the war in Iraq by voting for it?


Bush did not violate the constitution by going into Iraq. He also did not need to get authorization from Congress to go into Iraq as he did not seek a "declaration of war" against Iraq.

As far as Clinton goes, he committed Perjury. The last time I check that is a criminal offense which can get you 20 years at a federal detention facility.
Neither Bush nor Congress violated the Constitution in invading Iraq. Congress can do whatever the hell they want to do, dosn't make it right , but they can. Bush did have to have the consent of congress or he would have had no money to pursue his folly.
Bush DID lie to the US citizens and to Congress in order to get the public and Congress to back him, and as many of you have been so kind as to point out, and the Republican Congress followed up on with Clinton, that is an offense that can apparently be used as an excuse to impeach.
I personally think there is a difference in lieing about having a sexual affair and lieing in order to kill tens of thousands of people just for their oil, but I know Republicans are all in a tither over the sex lives of Democrats and see a big difference.
About 2 years ago, I posted here that I was NOT in favor of impeachment of Bush, and my primary reason is that I think it is bad for our country. The impeachment of Clinton seriously divided our country, and what we need now is healing. However, Bush has made no attempt to heal the country as Ford did, and in fact has done the opposite by attempting to further divide our loyalties.
Now, 2 years or so later , I am not sure I was right in opposing his impeachment. The harm Bush has continued to do to our country is something I could not imagine 2 years ago. Now, he has so little time left that it couldn't get done by the time he would be (finally) gone, but it will be a glorious day when this admin is gone, and I think most citizens think that, both Democrats and Republicans.
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
The supposed quote "the constitution is a gd piece of paper," is non-attributable, as in anonymous sources.

As to unconstitutional acts by Bush, please cite actual court decisions, not alternate reality publications or opinions, those count for squat!


There will be no court decisions. A sitting President will not be tried. If we didnt have term limits, that may be a different story.

Yeah you got me on Slick Willie there Sassy Kims. All that taxpayer money spent to investigate and impeach him. And we got the great Starr Report. A giant manifesto about a guy gettinga ******* from a fat chick. Granted that's much worse than the violations of the Constitution by the Bush Administration, but personally it doesn't bother me.
Maybe we shouldn't have asked him anyway? They're two consenting adults. What they do on their own time is their business.

I know Republicans preach smaller Government, and to leave their guns alone, but they certainly do not mind having bigger Government when going into someone's bedroom.

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