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Do you conservatives STILL luv THE DONALD??????

rockyrockyPost Master
And just how long will the love affair last?????
This just goes to show how dumb rethugliteacons really are!!!!!!!!!!!! Big Grin Roll Eyes Razzer Big Grin
No wonder Fox News can lead you by the nose in whatever direction they want.
I just love to sit back and watch rattlesnakes eat each other!!!!!! Razzer

From The Atlantic Monthly:

The latest indication that some Republicans are becoming uneasy about the prospect of a Donald Trump presidential candidacy: Conservative powerhouse Club for Growth took aim at the real-estate tycoon-turned-reality-TV-star on Monday, labeling him "just another liberal."

Despite considerable skepticism about whether Trump's presidential ambitions are any more than "a publicity stunt," as Club for Growth President Chris Chocola contends, party leaders appear to be growing more concerned about the prospect of a run by a man who has promised to dump $600 million of his own money into the race.


"I think it's a problem for the Republican Party," GOP pollster Linda DiVall says. "Many view Donald Trump as a not very serious candidate -- you hear the word 'circus' thrown around where he's involved -- and that's going to detract from the other candidates in the field."

The Club for Growth was derisive about the possibility of a Trump candidacy but is taking the prospect seriously enough to go on the attack.

"Donald Trump for president? You've got to be joking," Chocola said in a statement that provides a point-by-point critique of Trump's positions. The club, which backs smaller government and free-market economics, cites past Trump statements in support of "universal health care" and a proposal to slap a onetime tax on individuals with a net worth of more than $10 million. Trump's plans to levy a tariff on Chinese goods makes him the "king of protectionism," the Club says.

"Trump has advocated for massive tax increases that display a stunning lack of knowledge of how to create jobs. His love for a socialist-style universal health care system and his alarming obsession with protectionist policies are automatic disqualifiers among free-market conservatives," Chocola declares in the statement. "This publicity stunt will sputter and disappear just as quickly as the 'The Apprentice' is losing viewers."

In fact, Trump's show is a success story for NBC, and network executives are concerned that a Trump candidacy could force them to cancel a season (rather than run afoul of equal-time rules), the New York Times is reporting. But the newspaper said that NBC has not made any serious contingency plans because of widespread skepticism that Trump will actually declare his candidacy.

Elsewhere, there are signs that the possibility is being viewed more seriously. The latest issue of TIME includes a detailed examination of Trump's potential; his speech to the South Florida tea party this weekend was widely covered. Two recent polls, by CNN/Opinion Research and NBC News/Wall Street Journal rank him among the leaders in the GOP field of potential presidential contenders.

Appearing on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday, Trump took a shot at presumed Republican front-runner Mitt Romney, claiming to be "a much bigger businessman and [to have a] much, much bigger net worth" than the ex-Massachusetts governor.

Obama senior adviser David Plouffe shrugged off The Donald on ABC's "This Week." "There is zero chance that Donald Trump would ever be hired by the American people to do this job," Plouffe said. But he welcomed Trump into the Republican field. "I saw Donald Trump kind of rising in some polls, and, given his behavior and spectacle the last couple of weeks," Plouffe said, "I hope he keeps on rising."
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T tigrtrekHall of Famer
I think Trump is having a lot of fun with this candidate bit. If he is the nominee I will not vote republican. Its amazing that people are taking this seriously. This will fizzle and he will move on with a new show, casino, marriage whatever just so he keeps in the public eye.

Really Rocky I thought you would have started 10 posts about Roy Moore forming an exploratory committee by now. Big Grin
rockyrockyPost Master
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Originally posted by tigrtrek:
I think Trump is having a lot of fun with this candidate bit. If he is the nominee I will not vote republican. Its amazing that people are taking this seriously. This will fizzle and he will move on with a new show, casino, marriage whatever just so he keeps in the public eye.

Really Rocky I thought you would have started 10 posts about Roy Moore forming an exploratory committee by now. Big Grin


tigrtrek:
I'm typing as fast as I can!!!!!!! Big Grin
I can only "copy and paste" one rethugliteacon comedy act at a time!
But thanks for the "heads-up"! Wink
B beternUOld Faithful
Yes, bring morality back to the White House. We need Trump, a casino gambling magnate who has several times declared bankruptcy. Just the kind of candidate who, if he were a Democrat, would be roundly attacked by the right wing moralists for his seamy business history. But he is a BIRTHER, so he must be "one of us," the true believer wingnuts "reason," as only the unreasonable can!
CageTheElephantCageTheElephantPost Master
You Libtards are so..."simpleton" is the kindest word I can think of.
Trump gets in the news, and you idiots are "automatic" in your ASSumption that everyone who isn't of YOUR retarded political views hails him as the answer.
Are you so ignorant as to believe just because someone isn't sucking up to the Democrats, or other Libtards...like you ALL do, that they are Republican to the core?
Yes...you all ARE that ignorant...you display it here daily. Roll Eyes
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
Cage,
Why do you bother??
These are the boneheads who fell for the Kenyan Klown and his INsane POsse of Misfits and Criminals. A man who really never held a job. Was made famous by a book probably authored by someone else. Rode to the victory lane on a bunch of campaign promises which he cannot nor ever intended to keep, and is intent on nothing more than redistribution of wealth. He has created a healthcare nightmare that has the industry in turmoil, and is costing us more money than we make. In effect his policy of increasing taxes on the wealthy to pay off the debt is a pipedream, since it would require the tax rates on those making over $250K to go from 35% to 88%, and those making less than $250K to go to near 60% to pay off the debt.
Yeah, they already got a real winner, so I am not sure why they are laughing so hard. I expect by the time November 2012 rolls around, Carrottop could probably beat the Kenyan Klown.
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by teyates:
Cage,
Why do you bother??
These are the boneheads who fell for the Kenyan Klown and his INsane POsse of Misfits and Criminals. A man who really never held a job. Was made famous by a book probably authored by someone else. Rode to the victory lane on a bunch of campaign promises which he cannot nor ever intended to keep, and is intent on nothing more than redistribution of wealth. He has created a healthcare nightmare that has the industry in turmoil, and is costing us more money than we make. In effect his policy of increasing taxes on the wealthy to pay off the debt is a pipedream, since it would require the tax rates on those making over $250K to go from 35% to 88%, and those making less than $250K to go to near 60% to pay off the debt.
Yeah, they already got a real winner, so I am not sure why they are laughing so hard. I expect by the time November 2012 rolls around, Carrottop could probably beat the Kenyan Klown.


Kindly show us where the President of the United States and the Commander in Chief of her Armed Forces has proposed, or even mentioned tax rates as high as the ones you just pulled out of one of your bodily orifices.
b50mb50mOld Faithful
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In effect his policy of increasing taxes on the wealthy to pay off the debt is a pipedream, since it would require the tax rates on those making over $250K to go from 35% to 88%, and those making less than $250K to go to near 60% to pay off the debt.


What he said was, for the 'tax the rich' scheme to work, it would require rates that high on everyone.
Ergo, Obama's plan won't work.
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
There is an article today by leading economist, you can find it referenced on some of the business pages. Tax rates for those making over $250K would have to be 88%. For those in the middle class, tax rates would have to be around 60%, and for those making less than $30K, they would have to go from 10% to 15-25%, to just MEET the current demand to pay off the debt. People are being led down a primrose path in believing that just increasing tax rates on the rich woill pay the bills, and it will not. If those tax rates, being batted around, were to actually be implemented, those making more than $250K would take home less money than those making less. Where is the incentive to work BeterNu? This is a class warfare implemented by a socialist agenda, and to think otherwise is to stick your liberal head in the sand.
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
Tax Rates Won't Work

Here is what I was referencing....

"A new Tax Day study showed that if Washington wanted to balance the budget using tax increases alone, rates would have to more than double across the board -- including on the middle class -- to keep up with federal spending."

"IRS data showed that in 2008, the top 5 percent of earners -- households earning more than $160,000 -- accounted for about 59 percent of all federal income tax paid. The next 45 percent -- solidly middle-class taxpayers earning between $33,000 and $160,000 -- accounted for about 39 percent of all personal income tax paid.

The bottom 50 percent accounted for the remaining sliver of tax revenue. In fact, a Tax Policy Center study showed that 45 percent of households in the United States will pay no federal income tax for 2010."

"President Obama has said emphatically that he will not allow the tax rate on families earning more than $250,000 to remain at 35 percent after 2012, a source of contention among Republicans who say the top earners are already carrying the brunt of the "shared sacrifice."

Meanwhile, critics warn that tax hikes will, in all likelihood, have a limited impact on the deficit -- unless they are raised beyond recognition.

The estimate from the nonpartisan Public Notice demonstrated this point. It showed that if Washington wanted to hoist tax rates to actually cover spending, the top tier rate would go from 35 to 88 percent; the middle tier from 25 to 63 percent and the lowest from 10 to 25 percent."
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by teyates:
Cage,
Why do you bother??
These are the boneheads who fell for the Kenyan Klown and his INsane POsse of Misfits and Criminals. A man who really never held a job. Was made famous by a book probably authored by someone else. Rode to the victory lane on a bunch of campaign promises which he cannot nor ever intended to keep, and is intent on nothing more than redistribution of wealth. He has created a healthcare nightmare that has the industry in turmoil, and is costing us more money than we make. In effect his policy of increasing taxes on the wealthy to pay off the debt is a pipedream, since it would require the tax rates on those making over $250K to go from 35% to 88%, and those making less than $250K to go to near 60% to pay off the debt.
Yeah, they already got a real winner, so I am not sure why they are laughing so hard. I expect by the time November 2012 rolls around, Carrottop could probably beat the Kenyan Klown.


Kindly show us where the President of the United States and the Commander in Chief of her Armed Forces has proposed, or even mentioned tax rates as high as the ones you just pulled out of one of your bodily orifices.


The only "orifice" I need to mention, is the one where you have your head so firmly plugged, you azz clown.

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B beternUOld Faithful
Once more:

"Kindly show us where the President of the United States and the Commander in Chief of her Armed Forces has proposed, or even mentioned tax rates as high as the ones you just pulled out of one of your bodily orifices."

All kinds of think tanks generate all kinds of numbers, but you have not cited any numbers from the President. And you have apparently assumed that the President's plan will not include any spending cuts. Positing deficit reduction purely on increased revenue is not part of anyone's plan. I prefer to wait for the details of that plan before getting to conclusions on the matter.
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
88% is still lower than when the US had its highest rates of annual GDP growth.

Chithead, at the time you proposed, there probably was not 300 people in the US who qualified for that type of tax rate. Of course if your ilk had its way, everyone making over $250K wouldbe taxed at 90%, as long as its not you paying that amount, you don't care.
As to you BeterNuthing, what I said was he is proposing to make tax increases to pay the debt, and THIS WILL NOT WORK. What part do you not understand?????
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
Because it is the not the same world as it was in 1950. It is not the same working environment. The world is a much smaller place, and if someone will not work for $5 an hour here, they will somewhere else, so companies move to the location where the workers wil work for the best price. We have shipped all of our manufacturing jobs overseas to people who have agreed to work for less, and thus we do not have them here any more.
Mr.DittoheadMr.DittoheadOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by teyates:
Because it is the not the same world as it was in 1950. It is not the same working environment. The world is a much smaller place, and if someone will not work for $5 an hour here, they will somewhere else, so companies move to the location where the workers wil work for the best price. We have shipped all of our manufacturing jobs overseas to people who have agreed to work for less, and thus we do not have them here any more.


Still wrong. Off topic and generally pointless. At least look up the info before commenting. You decided on your point of view without any facts, just because it s what make s you feel good. Read. Learn. Postulate.
CageTheElephantCageTheElephantPost Master
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sez teyates: Because it is the not the same world as it was in 1950. It is not the same working environment. The world is a much smaller place, and if someone will not work for $5 an hour here, they will somewhere else, so companies move to the location where the workers wil work for the best price. We have shipped all of our manufacturing jobs overseas to people who have agreed to work for less, and thus we do not have them here any more.


Well, that's our boy juan. Pipedreamer.
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
quote:
Originally posted by teyates:
Because it is the not the same world as it was in 1950. It is not the same working environment. The world is a much smaller place, and if someone will not work for $5 an hour here, they will somewhere else, so companies move to the location where the workers wil work for the best price. We have shipped all of our manufacturing jobs overseas to people who have agreed to work for less, and thus we do not have them here any more.


Still wrong. Off topic and generally pointless. At least look up the info before commenting. You decided on your point of view without any facts, just because it s what make s you feel good. Read. Learn. Postulate.

Oh really. How am I wrong? What in the name of all that is good and holy makes you think that raising the tax rates to unprecedented amounts will grow the middle and lower classes? Please explain to us who are illiterate of business how this will make our country stronger? I am foaming at the mouth to hear this business model! Please elaborate!!!!
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
OK, let me see if I can get you started while you refer to your Union hall speaking notes....
In 1962, most of the job market was being filled by those coming out of rural America, farmers and plowhands. there was a huge number of manufacuring jobs to be had, such as shirt makers, pants makers, upholstery, and steel. With the energy crises in the 70's, increasing corporate taxes, and increased worker demands, we saw an huge increase in imports of domestic products (ie, cars, elctronics, etc). We did see an increase in the number of higher paying jobs however, as we retained some of the high end manufacturing here (ie, semiconductors, airframe wings, etc), but the lower skilled jobs went to the third world. Unemployment increased. Quite a large number of those people NEVER went back in to the workforce. We saw a huge upswing in the number of people who became "disabled" and went on to the government dole. Many remain there today. More than 45% of the people in the current workforce pay no federal income tax. They do pay SS and Medicare, but those amounts are neglible when you look at the real picture of what it will take to care for them in the long run.
Face it, no company is going to build a factory and manufacture a product here when it can be done somewhere else for half the cost and be sold here for less than it will cost to make it here. The world is a different place than it was 50 years ago.
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
You think deficits are bad, wait until the Fed decides to devalue our currency, and watch the run on it and what happens to jobs here. Companies will close so quick you will not know what is happening. Superinflation will happen and people are going to be starving. Unless we get off of our highhorse and decide that we are no better than the people on the other side of the world who are currently building our TVs and cars we are going to be living in a third world country. I am sure though, that the Unions will be able to find something for you to do. Heck if you are one of the lucky ones, they may even be able to find you a loaf of bread at a fair price. In Yugoslavia, prices increase 50,000,000,000X when their currency collapsed. No one is going to come to our aid when it happens either. Except for the Chinese who already own the majority of the country.
Flatus the AncientFlatus the AncientHall of Famer
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Look at history. Why is that so hard? We need the tax rates and tax policies of the early 1960's. That is a proven successful model...the scheme we have currently is proven to be a failure for the last 30 years.


To recreate the conditions of the 1950's and 60's we would first have to recreate the early 1940's when the world decided to destroy its industrial capacity and infrastructure. In 1945 the US was the only major economy standing because the distance of two oceans kept our factories safe. For 25-30 years we had an advantage that we squandered because of tax laws intended to invest capital in foreign economies to rebuild the world. When dullards are complaining about "that damm Bush" sending jobs overseas, they tend to forget that 40 years earlier, Kennedy was grumbling in 1961 about the bad deal the US signed up for during WW2.
Mr.DittoheadMr.DittoheadOld Faithful
Tax rates were lowered, poverty ensued. The End.

The USA had almost no debt until Reagan lowered rates twice and declared that the huge deficits(tripled the national debt!!!) created would be paid back by increasing GDP. Yea, none of that worked.

History says the old way worked, and we are experiencing the fact that the current model is a failure. How much more evidence do you need?
Flatus the AncientFlatus the AncientHall of Famer
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Tax rates were lowered, poverty ensued. The End.

The USA had almost no debt until Reagan lowered rates twice and declared that the huge deficits(tripled the national debt!!!) created would be paid back by increasing GDP. Yea, none of that worked.

History says the old way worked, and we are experiencing the fact that the current model is a failure. How much more evidence do you need?


During the era of highest (90%)tax rates there were no Medicare or Medicaid or "Great Society" costs. Those costs have been climbing ever since their inception. Including the post WW2 advantages of having an industrial monopoly, we are comparing eras that are as similar as apples and oranges.
rockyrockyPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
quote:
Tax rates were lowered, poverty ensued. The End.

The USA had almost no debt until Reagan lowered rates twice and declared that the huge deficits(tripled the national debt!!!) created would be paid back by increasing GDP. Yea, none of that worked.

History says the old way worked, and we are experiencing the fact that the current model is a failure. How much more evidence do you need?


During the era of highest (90%)tax rates there were no Medicare


BY ALL MEANS, Ancient One, keep spouting the rethugliteacon line to revamp Medicare!!!!!!!!!!!

Like taking candy from a baby!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, you "thugs" are stupid!!!!!!!!! Roll Eyes
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Tax rates were lowered, poverty ensued. The End.

The USA had almost no debt until Reagan lowered rates twice and declared that the huge deficits(tripled the national debt!!!) created would be paid back by increasing GDP. Yea, none of that worked.

History says the old way worked, and we are experiencing the fact that the current model is a failure. How much more evidence do you need?

You may be the most ill-informed arrogant dumbazz I have had the pleasure of debating with. You don't have a clue to what you are talking about. The good ole days are over. It had nothing to do with tax rates, it had more to do with the rest of the world catching up with us.
Flatus the AncientFlatus the AncientHall of Famer
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BY ALL MEANS, Ancient One, keep spouting the rethugliteacon line to revamp Medicare!!!!!!!!!!!

Like taking candy from a baby!!!!!!!!!!!


Synonyms for "Rocky":

anserine, dopy, dopey, foolish, goosey, goosy, gooselike, jerkyblockheaded, boneheaded, duncical, duncish, fatheaded, loggerheaded, thick, thickheaded, thick-skulled, wooden-headed cloddish, doltish, dense, dim, dull, dumb, obtuse, slow, gaumless, gormless,lumpish, lumpen, unthinking, nitwitted, senseless, soft-witted, witless, weak, yokel-like
Also See: unintelligent#1, stupid#3

Sense 2:
dazed, stunned, stupefied, stupid(predicate)
confused (vs. clearheaded)
Sense 3:
unintelligent (vs. intelligent), stupid
brainless, headless
Also See: retarded#1; stupid#1
Mr.DittoheadMr.DittoheadOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
quote:
Tax rates were lowered, poverty ensued. The End.

The USA had almost no debt until Reagan lowered rates twice and declared that the huge deficits(tripled the national debt!!!) created would be paid back by increasing GDP. Yea, none of that worked.

History says the old way worked, and we are experiencing the fact that the current model is a failure. How much more evidence do you need?


During the era of highest (90%)tax rates there were no Medicare or Medicaid or "Great Society" costs. Those costs have been climbing ever since their inception. Including the post WW2 advantages of having an industrial monopoly, we are comparing eras that are as similar as apples and oranges.


So we added huge entitlements and lowered tax rates thinking what??? medicare and SS should be taxed at the rate necessary to be fiscally solvent without the aid of taxpayers. Reagan doubled the SS tax rate and that helped for a few decades.
rockyrockyPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
quote:
BY ALL MEANS, Ancient One, keep spouting the rethugliteacon line to revamp Medicare!!!!!!!!!!!

Like taking candy from a baby!!!!!!!!!!!


Synonyms for "Rocky":

anserine, dopy, dopey, foolish, goosey, goosy, gooselike, jerkyblockheaded, boneheaded, duncical, duncish, fatheaded, loggerheaded, thick, thickheaded, thick-skulled, wooden-headed cloddish, doltish, dense, dim, dull, dumb, obtuse, slow, gaumless, gormless,lumpish, lumpen, unthinking, nitwitted, senseless, soft-witted, witless, weak, yokel-like
Also See: unintelligent#1, stupid#3

Sense 2:
dazed, stunned, stupefied, stupid(predicate)
confused (vs. clearheaded)
Sense 3:
unintelligent (vs. intelligent), stupid
brainless, headless
Also See: retarded#1; stupid#1


WOW: NAME CALLING (Haven't I been accused of that???????? Confused)
How MATURE oh Ancient One!!!!!!!!!!! Big Grin
(Like shooting fish in a barrel) Razzer
Mr.DittoheadMr.DittoheadOld Faithful
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Originally posted by teyates:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Tax rates were lowered, poverty ensued. The End.

The USA had almost no debt until Reagan lowered rates twice and declared that the huge deficits(tripled the national debt!!!) created would be paid back by increasing GDP. Yea, none of that worked.

History says the old way worked, and we are experiencing the fact that the current model is a failure. How much more evidence do you need?

You may be the most ill-informed arrogant dumbazz I have had the pleasure of debating with. You don't have a clue to what you are talking about. The good ole days are over. It had nothing to do with tax rates, it had more to do with the rest of the world catching up with us.


You have no rational argument so you resort to the old standard of trying to insult me, which is impossible. Why is that the common denominator among every RepubTEACon poster on this forum??? Since the beginning of the industrial revolution, labor has been cheaper most everywhere than the USA. Why did it take 75 years to have an impact?
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
The main reason is because of the innovations such as the internet and the ability to communicate outside of our borders. Shipping and travel is much easier than 50 years ago when the majority of shipping took place via ship. Today a company can be located in New York and run a successful manufacturing company half the world away using teleconferencing and instant messaging. I know you find that hard to believe but believe me when I tell you it is happening. I know systems that use Indian and Australian radiologists to cover emergency rooms in the US. The images can be sent to them in a matter of seconds to review and they send back a report. It is daytime in their part of the world they are working so the radiologists here can get some sleep. Just a little innovation that was impossible 50 years ago,
The things started to go in the crapper with several events. First the great Entitlement Era which led to some of the government waste we have today. Second was the raping and pillaging of the SS and Medicare monies, and a continued liberalist/socialist agenda that believes that redistribution of wealth is good and that people can be taxed into prosperity.
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