Do you think Jesus agrees with torture?
Do you feel the Christians should speak up to Congress on torture?
Do Christians support human rights?
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This is torture too!
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Only if it was the guy who drove the nails through his hands...
Waterboarding sounds like a good comeback...except you don't stop
Waterboarding sounds like a good comeback...except you don't stop
quote:Do you think Jesus agrees with torture?
Do you feel the Christians should speak up to Congress on torture?
Do Christians support human rights?
For the life of me, I can't seem to follow PBA's post, and now convinced that i have no desire to try anymore.
quote:Originally posted by traderconnections:
Only if it was the guy who drove the nails through his hands...
Waterboarding sounds like a good comeback...except you don't stop
I have been told that waterboarding is now against the law. Isn't it strange that Jesus turned around and forgave his killers and gave them an opportunity to have everlasting life?
Only CIA field agents may use waterboarding, at present. The field agents, themselves, are waterboarded as part of their training.
Does Jesus agree with torture? What a stupid question. I don't even believe that Jesus existed, but if he did, he most certainly wouldn't agree with it. Why would Jesus support torture? How dumb. In that case, do you think he supports murder? Rape? Famine? He doesn't support any of them. He also sits on his ass while they happen though....
quote:Originally posted by mackisfor420:
Does Jesus agree with torture? What a stupid question. I don't even believe that Jesus existed, but if he did, he most certainly wouldn't agree with it. Why would Jesus support torture? How dumb. In that case, do you think he supports murder? Rape? Famine? He doesn't support any of them. He also sits on his ass while they happen though....
John 3:16 read it.
PBA,
I'm still new here. Are you atheist, Christian, or other? I am confused.
I'm still new here. Are you atheist, Christian, or other? I am confused.
PBA IS NEITHER HE IS A BONEHEAD. WHAT IS WATERBOARDING ANYWAY
Waterboarding is a torture technique that simulates drowning in a controlled environment. It consists of immobilizing an individual on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face to force the inhalation of water into the lungs.
Waterboarding is an extreme interrogation technique. Subject is strapped to a board head down. A cloth is placed over the mouth and water poured on the head. The mind registers it is drowning and the subject panics and talks. As the head is lower than the lungs, no water enters the lungs. No physical damage is done to the subject.
Most sessions last no more than 3 minutes. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed broke in 90 seconds.
All US fighter pilots, special operations troops, and CIA field agents undergo waterboarding as part of their training. By regulation, the military may not use this technique.
Most sessions last no more than 3 minutes. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed broke in 90 seconds.
All US fighter pilots, special operations troops, and CIA field agents undergo waterboarding as part of their training. By regulation, the military may not use this technique.
There are a number of sources including the historian Josephus and the records of Pontius Pilate that state Jesus existed. Whether he was the Son of God, a prophet or an inspired rabbi, is the question.
if Methodist sermons are any indication, Jesus is all in favor of torture.
DF
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
if Methodist sermons are any indication, Jesus is all in favor of torture.
DF
Of course Jesus is in favor of torture and punishment. All those that don't live up to his expectations will be sent to a lake of fire and brimstone for eternal punishment.
Luke 16:23-24
"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
and
Revelations 20:14-15
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
And if you know better and don't obey, you'll be punished worse...
Luke 12:47
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
But Kims,
Jesus saved us from all that! When cleansed of Original Sin, god became apparant to us!
Right?
DF
Jesus saved us from all that! When cleansed of Original Sin, god became apparant to us!
Right?
DF
quote:Originally posted by agree2disagee:
PBA IS NEITHER HE IS A BONEHEAD. WHAT IS WATERBOARDING ANYWAY
You know what it is to call people names. You don't have a clue as to what we are talking about. Yet you call someone a name because you have seen others do it. You wanna be apart of this gang that diagrees on every post. You don't know what waterboarding is? You don't watch the news?, You have no other clue to what other post are talking about, because you don't read. I bet you can't read. You're on here for one reason and that is to make fun and call people names. You can't debate so you attack the poster. You're a dumb a.s.s. agree2disagee.
Proverbs 18:6
A fool's lips bring him strife, and his mouth invites a beating.
(the first of many proverbs about beating fools)
quote:Originally posted by interventor:
Waterboarding is an extreme interrogation technique. Subject is strapped to a board head down. A cloth is placed over the mouth and water poured on the head. The mind registers it is drowning
I guess this could be considered torture in the strictest definition of the term. However, other than waterboarding, I cannot think of any form of torture that I would allow to be performed on myself.
Can it truly be called torture if it does no real harm?
To answer the question: Jesus supposedly sits in judgment of all who come before him. He loves you, but if you don't love him back, he will toss your soul straight to the depths of hell to be tortured for eternity.
How can anyone possibly say that he would not support torture? Jesus!
Does anyone else hear the teacher's voice in Charlie Brown when they come across the same tired criticisms of God by people who say they don't know Him or have any desire to know Him?
WAA...waaa...wa wa wa....WAAA...waaaa....wa wa.
To answer the original question...excellent question and rather convicting actually. Probably not.
I did look up what the Bible had to say about "rules of engagement" a while back, but it's not fresh enough in my mind to elaborate. I don't recall anything regarding torture or hurting someone to get info out of them.
It doesn't mention torture, but if interested, here is a website covering "What The Bible Says About War". Please keep in mind there is much opinion thrown in as well, one I happen to disagree with, but the Bible references are good...
http://www3.calvarychapel.com/hope/library/stauffer-cla...-topical/war/war.htm
WAA...waaa...wa wa wa....WAAA...waaaa....wa wa.
To answer the original question...excellent question and rather convicting actually. Probably not.
I did look up what the Bible had to say about "rules of engagement" a while back, but it's not fresh enough in my mind to elaborate. I don't recall anything regarding torture or hurting someone to get info out of them.
It doesn't mention torture, but if interested, here is a website covering "What The Bible Says About War". Please keep in mind there is much opinion thrown in as well, one I happen to disagree with, but the Bible references are good...
http://www3.calvarychapel.com/hope/library/stauffer-cla...-topical/war/war.htm
2 Corinthians 11:25
Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
(Paul and other early Christians were beaten)
Revelation 9:4-6
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
Revelation 18:6-8
Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Mix her a double portion from her own cup. Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.' Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
(Paul and other early Christians were beaten)
Revelation 9:4-6
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
Revelation 18:6-8
Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Mix her a double portion from her own cup. Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.' Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
quote:Originally posted by littlemeanmama:
PBA,
I'm still new here. Are you atheist, Christian, or other? I am confused.
Why is that so important for you to know if I am a atheist, Christian, or other? Why would it matter one way or the other?
I wouldn't vote for Jesus.
God has a long track record of taking folks out if need be....Jesus wasn't on earth for any other purpose than to walk the path of a man, teach the love of God and die as sin so that we may one day be saved.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
But Kims,
Jesus saved us from all that! When cleansed of Original Sin, god became apparant to us!
Right?
DF
DeepFat, I know what you're trying to do so I'll just end it real quick...Personal choice my friend....Jesus' death didn't save us, it gave us the possiblity to be saved... We still have to make the choice.
quote:Originally posted by PBA:
2 Corinthians 11:25
Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
(Paul and other early Christians were beaten)
Revelation 9:4-6
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
Revelation 18:6-8
Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Mix her a double portion from her own cup. Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.' Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
You are definately cheery-pickin verses here. If innocent lives are in danger God says protect them...God has proven to be quite ruthless when He feels it is needed. Mostly when His children were in danger was when we saw evidence of this ruthlessness. We are created in His image, thus being aggressive and ruthless when protecting our innocent would be a character trait we dirived from God Himself.
Water boarding is torture...now way!!! Water boarding is a fear tactic, a method of intimidation. No one is forced to inhale water as someone indicated on here.
Torture is more on the order of cutting your tongue out, like Sadam Husien was fond of doing, or burning bamboo splints that had been inserted under finger nails, like the Japanese did in WW II, or like the Romans did to Jesus before he was nailed to the cross.
If they are worried about drowning, dip them in pig blood...we are talking about getting information from people who want to kill us...let's not play nice. If it turns out we were wrong about water boarding, we will pray for forgiveness.
Torture is more on the order of cutting your tongue out, like Sadam Husien was fond of doing, or burning bamboo splints that had been inserted under finger nails, like the Japanese did in WW II, or like the Romans did to Jesus before he was nailed to the cross.
If they are worried about drowning, dip them in pig blood...we are talking about getting information from people who want to kill us...let's not play nice. If it turns out we were wrong about water boarding, we will pray for forgiveness.
And here I thought water boarding was what I do in Florida...
"Peter"
If Original Sin is imposed onto us, why isn't salvation?
DF
If Original Sin is imposed onto us, why isn't salvation?
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
"Peter"
If Original Sin is imposed onto us, why isn't salvation?
DF
You are so very mis-informed, or either you chose ignorance on the subject of God, Jesus, and the Bible in general. Even if you don't believe the Bible to be true, there is no way to derive these conclusions that you draw.
Sin was not imposed onto us...once again, we are not robots, God did not create us as robots, He created us as free-thinking, decision making individuals. God ALLOWED TEMPTATION but did not IMPOSE SIN. You, me, and every human that was, is, and will be have choices...to sin or not to sin. Because it is our choice to sin the equal and opposite reaction to that is that it is our choice to accept God's offered salvation of Christ.
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
I wouldn't vote for Jesus.
Jesus wouldn't run,
So therefore, you would NOT have that option.He gives us free agency to do what we want to do and that is how he knows his TRUE followers.
Jesus in politics, up for vote. Interesting concept, but He is no where near enough in the "corruption" pecking order for that!!!
I'm not certain about Jesus tacitly approving torture. But the scripture inspired by the Christian god and written by man decades later definitely is, all you have to do is read the stories/books.
Jusrumors, OK, I read it. What has it got to do with Torture? God, a conceptual reality, of doubtful temporal reality, but HE TOOK HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON...or have you forgotten the last time anyone says they saw Jesus? At that time he was rising into the heavens to sit at the right hand of God, from whence he shall come to judge the quick (living) and the dead.
When Moses was leading the children of Israel out of bondage and that, shall we say, RED SEA incident happened where some enemy combatants were drowned...do you suppose that was a precursor to "water boarding"...you know, that scare tactic some are calling torture today??