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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

Just in case you do not swim in the Facebook pool -- I want to share this video that I just posted on Facebook with you.

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"WE THE PEOPLE" -- NEED TRUE CHANGE IN 2012!! -- My Friends, I believe what Bob Basso is telling us in this video; I believe America needs and must have "REAL CHANGE" in November 2012. If you agree, watch this video, share this video - and vote accordingly in 2012.

Personally, at this time, I still see Sarah Palin as our best bet for president in 2012. Some may not, but that is the beauty of living in a truly free America - we can agree to disagree at times, and still be Friends.

I appreciate that Donald Trump is standing tall and highlighting the fact that Obama has spent TWO MILLION DOLLARS to continue to hide his nonexistent American birth certificate.

But, we do not need Trump for president; let him continue his television and real estate careers - and let's get a person into the White House who truly cares about - and listens to "We The People." God bless, Bill

We The People Stimulus Package Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded

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Share this video with all your Friends, Relatives, Associates, and Neighbors -- all your FRANs. If you are not registered to vote -- DO IT NOW! If you are an American citizen given, you are given the privilege of voting for your own future. Don't trash this valuable gift; use it!

And, if you have FRANs who are not registered; give them the following URL link where they can choose their state and find information about registering to vote. If you are one of my Friends who is not yet of voting age, not a problem -- I am sure you have FRANs who are of voting age. Help them get off the couch and get registered to vote.

Federal Voting Assistance Program: --- http://www.fvap.gov/map.html

Voting is not only a privilege -- it is a DUTY! We have many brave Americans fighting in other countries to protect my freedom and your freedom to vote at home. Don't let them down. Vote in 2012 to give them the kind of America they are fighting for; vote in 2012 to give them the kind of America they want to come home to -- Register and VOTE in 2012!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
I guess Jews, atheists, californians, congressman, lawyers, mannequins and dopey people can't vote.

The word christian here doesn't mean the thread goes here.

Hi Vic,

As usual, your logic is a challenge even to the most astute minds -- so, I will not even try to decipher what you have written in your first paragraph.

In your second paragraph -- if not the Religion Forum -- where else would CHRISTIAN fit? Just curious.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by INVICTUS:
I guess Jews, atheists, californians, congressman, lawyers, mannequins and dopey people can't vote.
The word christian here doesn't mean the thread goes here.

Hi Vic,
As usual, your logic is a challenge even to the most astute minds -- so, I will not even try to decipher what you have written in your first paragraph.
In your second paragraph -- if not the Religion Forum -- where else would CHRISTIAN fit? Just curious.
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Its political all the way

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Personally, at this time, I still see Sarah Palin as our best bet for president in 2012.

I appreciate that Donald Trump is standing tall and highlighting the fact that Obama has spent TWO MILLION DOLLARS to continue to hide his nonexistent American birth certificate.

But, we do not need Trump for president; let him continue his television and real estate careers - and let's get a person into the White House who truly cares about - and listens to "We The People."
Bill


Sarah Palin, though I like her, couldn't take the heat as a governor. What makes you think she could take it as President?

I hope Trump runs, he will get my vote!!!
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

I appreciate that Donald Trump is standing tall and highlighting the fact that Obama has spent TWO MILLION DOLLARS to continue to hide his nonexistent American birth certificate.

But, we do not need Trump for president; let him continue his television and real estate careers - and let's get a person into the White House who truly cares about - and listens to "We The People."
Bill, do you have the link to this? I would love to read about it.

Hi Chick,

So glad you asked! In the Today Show interview video below, scoot on over to about the 5 minute point and you will see the source of my quote. Believe it or shuck it!

But, praise God, Donald Trump, with his high exposure -- is lifting this critical issue back to the mountain pinnacle where it belongs. If Obama has committed fraud against the American people -- the American people need to see it corrected -- and see him pay the price for his fraudulent actions.

Donald Trump Interview On The Today Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgoizJ_yPc

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by O No!:
And because I love America, I will be voting for President Obama.

Hi O No,

If there is such a thing as a "phrase oxymoron" -- you have just committed it -- when you put "I love America" and "I will vote for Obama" in the same breath.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
I guess Jews, atheists, californians, congressman, lawyers, mannequins and dopey people can't vote.
The word christian here doesn't mean the thread goes here.

Hi Vic,
As usual, your logic is a challenge even to the most astute minds -- so, I will not even try to decipher what you have written in your first paragraph.

In your second paragraph -- if not the Religion Forum -- where else would CHRISTIAN fit? Just curious.

Its political all the way.

OKAY, BUT,"CHRISTIAN POLITICS!" IS STILL "CHRISTIAN" - I KNOW, ANOTHER OXYMORON!

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Chick,
So glad you asked! In the Today Show interview video below, scoot on over to about the 5 minute point and you will see the source of my quote. Believe it or shuck it!
But, praise God, Donald Trump, with his high exposure -- is lifting this critical issue back to the mountain pinnacle where it belongs. If Obama has committed fraud against the American people -- the American people need to see it corrected -- and see him pay the price for his fraudulent actions.

Donald Trump Interview On The Today Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgoizJ_yPc
Bill


Thank you, that was very interesting. I've never understood why OBama won't show real proof of his being born in the US. Or how he was allowed to run for President w/o it.

If it does come to be shown that he wasn't born here, he should be made to step down immediately!
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Chick,
So glad you asked! In the Today Show interview video below, scoot on over to about the 5 minute point and you will see the source of my quote. Believe it or shuck it!
But, praise God, Donald Trump, with his high exposure -- is lifting this critical issue back to the mountain pinnacle where it belongs. If Obama has committed fraud against the American people -- the American people need to see it corrected -- and see him pay the price for his fraudulent actions.

Donald Trump Interview On The Today Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgoizJ_yPc
Bill

Thank you, that was very interesting. I've never understood why OBama won't show real proof of his being born in the US. Or how he was allowed to run for President w/o it.

If it does come to be shown that he wasn't born here, he should be made to step down immediately!

Hi Chick,

In my mind, what Donald Trump said rings true -- why wouldn't Obama just show his birth certificate the first time the question was raised?

And, why would he spend $2 million to cover it all up -- if his birth certificate truly proves he is an American citizen?

This leaves absolutely no doubt that he is a fraud and is in the White House illegally.

Do you suppose this is why he empathizes so strongly with the illegal immigrants flooding America today? Something to consider.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Chick,
In my mind, what Donald Trump said rings true -- why wouldn't Obama just show his birth certificate the first time the question was raised?
And, why would he spend $2 million to cover it all up -- if his birth certificate truly proves he is an American citizen?
This leaves absolutely no doubt that he is a fraud and is in the White House illegally.
Do you suppose this is why he empathizes so strongly with the illegal immigrants flooding America today? Something to consider.
Bill


Get ready for a shocker....I strongly agree with you. Smiler
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Chick,
In my mind, what Donald Trump said rings true -- why wouldn't Obama just show his birth certificate the first time the question was raised?
And, why would he spend $2 million to cover it all up -- if his birth certificate truly proves he is an American citizen?
This leaves absolutely no doubt that he is a fraud and is in the White House illegally.
Do you suppose this is why he empathizes so strongly with the illegal immigrants flooding America today? Something to consider.
Bill

Get ready for a shocker....I strongly agree with you. Smiler

SEE, I KNEW WE WERE FRIENDS!!

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Obama has spent TWO MILLION DOLLARS to continue to hide his nonexistent American birth certificate.
Bill


Bill, do you have the link to this? I would love to read about it.


Don't hold your breath, chick. This legal bills stuff is viral nonsense and no one will come up with anything that validates it.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:

I appreciate that Donald Trump is standing tall and highlighting the fact that Obama has spent TWO MILLION DOLLARS to continue to hide his nonexistent American birth certificate.

But, we do not need Trump for president; let him continue his television and real estate careers - and let's get a person into the White House who truly cares about - and listens to "We The People."
Bill, do you have the link to this? I would love to read about it.

Hi Chick,

So glad you asked! In the Today Show interview video below, scoot on over to about the 5 minute point and you will see the source of my quote. Believe it or shuck it!

But, praise God, Donald Trump, with his high exposure -- is lifting this critical issue back to the mountain pinnacle where it belongs. If Obama has committed fraud against the American people -- the American people need to see it corrected -- and see him pay the price for his fraudulent actions.

Donald Trump Interview On The Today Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgoizJ_yPc

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bill--Donald Trump alleging that Obama spent $2 million on legal bills related to his birth certificate does not equate to any kind of factual demonstration of the truth of that assertion. Trump offered NO PROOF, just an assertion. No one has thus far offered any more proof than you or Trump have. The claim is phony as a three dollar bill.
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In your second paragraph -- if not the Religion Forum -- where else would CHRISTIAN fit? Just curious.



I've read the original post myself and I can't find anything it the post that has the word "Christian" but even in case I missed or over looked the word itself the context is surely and definitely POLITICAL and belongs in that forum but Bill at least is being consistant in not caring one bit about posting where things need to be or should be.

I cast my vote, and opinion, that this belongs in and under the Political category.
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Originally posted by gbrk:
Bill typed in one reply ->
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In your second paragraph -- if not the Religion Forum -- where else would CHRISTIAN fit? Just curious.



I've read the original post myself and I can't find anything it the post that has the word "Christian" but even in case I missed or over looked the word itself the context is surely and definitely POLITICAL and belongs in that forum but Bill at least is being consistant in not caring one bit about posting where things need to be or should be.

I cast my vote, and opinion, that this belongs in and under the Political category.

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gbrk,,,,,I read the first post of this thread, it said christian,
bill changed it right after I said it was political.

Look at my first post, does it look like it goes there?

Thats all there is to it.

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This is a political discussion, not a religion discussion.

The forums are separated clearly, for good reason.
Political discussions to the politics forum,
Funny videos, etc, to the "MISC" forum or perhaps entertainment..

Please try to respect the boundaries of each forum.Thanks...
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Originally posted by gbrk:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Vic, As usual, your logic is a challenge even to the most astute minds -- so, I will not even try to decipher what you have written in your first paragraph. In your second paragraph -- if not the Religion Forum -- where else would CHRISTIAN fit? Just curious.

I've read the original post myself and I can't find anything it the post that has the word "Christian" but even in case I missed or over looked the word itself the context is surely and definitely POLITICAL and belongs in that forum but Bill at least is being consistent in not caring one bit about posting where things need to be or should be. I cast my vote, and opinion, that this belongs in and under the Political category.

gbrk,,,,,I read the first post of this thread, it said christian, bill changed it right after I said it was political. Look at my first post, does it look like it goes there? Thats all there is to it.

Hi Vic,

I am not sure if you are still confused, if you are being purposely deceitful, or if you are attempting to make an outright false statement. But, my original post which began this discussion HAS NOT been changed or modified. What is shown there is exactly what was originally posted.

My Friend, you tell us you are a Christian -- this kind of deceit contradicts that statement. This false accusation against me shows you to be a dishonest person.

Curse me when I disagree with you. Get mad at me for not being a Roman Catholic. But, do not accuse me of deceit when there is none.

When I first posted the original post, you immediately posted this statement, "I guess Jews, atheists, californians, congressman, lawyers, mannequins and dopey people can't vote.

The word christian here doesn't mean the thread goes here."


And, your first sentence, or paragraph, is why I wrote, "As usual, your logic is a challenge even to the most astute minds -- so, I will not even try to decipher what you have written in your first paragraph."

Immediately, I had begun to respond to you -- and you deleted that first post. But, it was captured in my response.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
[Hi Vic,

I am not sure if you are still confused, if you are being purposely deceitful, or if you are attempting to make an outright false statement. But, my original post which began this discussion HAS NOT been changed or modified. What is shown there is exactly what was originally posted.


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Your post has been changed and you know it was, why lie about it.

Is it that big a deal to lie??

How could you answer my post before I posted it???

Its not that important to lie about, but you are lying about it.


Iv
First you said this,

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Bill said: I appreciate that Donald Trump is standing tall and highlighting the fact that Obama has spent TWO MILLION DOLLARS to continue to hide his nonexistent American birth certificate.


You have presented no facts and neither has anyone else. This is a false statement. President Obama's birth certificate is authentic and has been verified by the very Dr. that delivered him in Hawaii. Show us factual proof to the contrary. Show us factual proof that he has spent 2 million dollars to cover up a fake birth certificate.

Then you said this:



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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

My Friend, you tell us you are a Christian -- this kind of deceit contradicts that statement. This false accusation against me shows you to be a dishonest person.

Bill


So you are saying that you are not a Christian? You are making false accusations against President Obama, how is it any different?
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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Vic, I am not sure if you are still confused, if you are being purposely deceitful, or if you are attempting to make an outright false statement. But, my original post which began this discussion HAS NOT been changed or modified. What is shown there is exactly what was originally posted.

Your post has been changed and you know it was, why lie about it. Is it that big a deal to lie??

How could you answer my post before I posted it??? Its not that important to lie about, but you are lying about it.

Hi Vic,

Not one single thing has been changed in my initial post nor in my second one where I captured your posts.

I posted the initial post. Then, you immediately posted a response. I captured your post to respond. By the time I came back to post my response to you -- Opie had already posted and you had deleted your initial post.

If that is not true, how could I have your post within my post?

Vic, I do not know what kind of deceitful game you are trying to play -- but, my Friend, it appears that you have been caught with your pants down.

So, let's just move on. And, I will go eat dinner.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill is the very reason that atheist like myself become more active every year in the fight for separation of church and state. The next time one of you here ask why we come on here all the time and debate with christians, I will refer you to this post.

PLEASE REFER MANY PEOPLE TO THIS DISCUSSION - THE MORE WHO READ IT - THE BETTER IT IS FOR AMERICA! THANK YOU!

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Originally posted by O No!:
My Christian duty is to love the Lord with all my heart, mind, and soul. And to love my neighbor. And because I love my neighbor, I love America.

And because I love America, I will be voting for President Obama.


Hahahahahahahahaha... O, while I won't be voting for Mr. Obama, I do admire you for your independence. I take Mr. Obama at his word that he is a believer, but no president in recent history has cut non-believers as much slack as he, and for that I give him, and you, credit.

The reason I won't be voting for BHO is that the apocalyptic collapse his economic policies encourage could give rise to the likes of Bill Gray in whatever rebuilding is possible afterward. If he was economically literate, I could see myself voting for him.


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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
How could you answer my post before I posted it??? Its not that important to lie about, but you are lying about it.

So, let's just move on. And, I will go eat dinner.
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I was posting when it happened, I saw it change,
where is my original post, did I lose it while you were
changing yours??

The original one with the atheist and Jews and so on?
where is that?

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there has been proof offered. conclusive proof, but some people refuse to accept it.

me, i am not worried abotu it either way.

lets say, for example, that on monday the news companies suddenly have irrifutable proof of his forigen birth.. and that he admits he was not born as american citizen... and resigns...

will that change the last 4 years?
nope.

so i don't really even care one way or the other. maybe he was born kenyan.. but that sudden knowledge can't undo the past, so i don't worry about it.
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lets say, for example, that on monday the news companies suddenly have irrifutable proof of his forigen birth.. and that he admits he was not born as american citizen... and resigns...

will that change the last 4 years?
nope.

so i don't really even care one way or the other. maybe he was born kenyan.. but that sudden knowledge can't undo the past, so i don't worry about it.


No, it wouldn't change it but maybe whoever came in behind him could start setting things right.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by thenagel:
lets say, for example, that on monday the news companies suddenly have irrifutable proof of his forigen birth.. and that he admits he was not born as american citizen... and resigns...

will that change the last 4 years?
nope.

so i don't really even care one way or the other. maybe he was born kenyan.. but that sudden knowledge can't undo the past, so i don't worry about it.


No, it wouldn't change it but maybe whoever came in behind him could start setting things right.


that's likely to happen anyway, with the current political tide of the country.
in 20 years obama will be nothing more than a foot note in the ' how not to do it' section in high school history books.
"On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.Res. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961"

"The Health Department's director emphasized the assertion:

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago."

"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said"

It is so easy to find the truth. Why keep putting forth a lie? Bill Gray you didn't answer the question before or address your false accusations with any proof. I guess that means you have retracted your stance so to speak? If you still stand behind the falsehood that President Obama is not a natural born citizen of the U.S. Could you give some kind of proof to back up your claims?
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"On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.Res. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961"

"The Health Department's director emphasized the assertion:

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago."

"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said"

It is so easy to find the truth. Why keep putting forth a lie? Bill Gray you didn't answer my question before or address your false accusations with any proof. I guess that means you have retracted your stance so to speak? If you still stand behind the falsehood that President Obama is not a natural born citizen of the U.S. Could you give some kind of proof to back up your claims?


Uh-huh. Big Grin Just as soon as he's done adjusting his tinfoil hat..

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