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I was just watching a program with actual footage of saddam using weapons of mass destruction to kill almost 90,000 civilians in a matter of days. Thousands of people including small children and babies seemingly frozen in agony. Isn't it funny how a certain segment of our population now wants to act like this never happened, that saddam had no weapons of mass destruction just to promote their political attack on President Bush. May the ghosts of those 190,000 people haunt you forever and you know who you are.
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kperk:

I was just watching a program with actual footage of saddam using weapons of mass destruction to kill almost 90,000 civilians in a matter of days. Thousands of people including small children and babies seemingly frozen in agony. Isn't it funny how a certain segment of our population now wants to act like this never happened, that saddam had no weapons of mass destruction just to promote their political attack on President Bush. May the ghosts of those 190,000 people haunt you forever and you know who you are.

I figure I want get any responses from the commie libs. After all, this never really happened. Shame on you slick willie for lying to us.

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I haven't seen the documentary but did they tell you how he got those weapons? That Reagan and the US supported him and helped him get those weapons? That the US supported him during the 1980's and 1990 and 91 while he committed some of his worst atrocities and repression?

Back in the 1980's I wrote letters and protested against our support of Saddam because of his atrocities and repression and I was called naive and un-American back then too. I also protested our support of bin Laden as they went around committing atrocites, burning womens schools and promoting their extreme brand of Islam. Reagan called them the equivelant of our "Founding Fathers" and supported them.

After the First Gulf War Saddam destroyed all his weapons under UN supervision.

Clinton continued the sanctions on Saddam, enforced the US/British "No Fly Zone" and bombed Iraq. He even signed the bill that called fro "regime change in Iraq."

There were no WMD and the Iraq War is about oil. They never cared about the Iraqi people and the Iraqi people know it and they know the war is about oil.

It is the American people who are lied too and kept in the dark by our govenrment and corporate media.
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Originally posted by interventor:
Pogo,

There you go again, ole possum. Intersting, if true.

But, Sources of Iraqi Weaponry between 1973-2002:

Soviet Union/Russia
$19.2 Billion
61%

France
$5.5 Billion
18%

People's Republic of China
$1.7 Billion
5%

Brazil
$1.1 Billion
4%

Egypt
$1.1 Billion
4%

Other countries
$2.9 Billion
6%

US was about 0.46% for $200 million for the period.

WMD precusors were mainly provided by USSR, France and, I believe, Germany.

Of course, Saddsam claimed to have weapons and gave an inventory. The UN inspectors were neverv allowed to view their destruction. We found about 567 WMD, mostly old. What happed to the rest?

Please research more, before posting.
Yes, we supported Saddam against Khomeini. In WW II we supported Stalin against Hitler. Do you think we should have fought both?

In the 1980's the Talib didn't exist and bin-Laden was a minor money man from Saudi for the mudje. Reagan spoke of the mudjeheddin, not al-Qaeda. Bin-Laden saw little combat during the struggle against the USSR. Al-Qaeda was not founded until 1989.
interventor:

Yes, we supported Saddam against Khomeini. In WW II we supported Stalin against Hitler. Do you think we should have fought both?

In the 1980's the Talib didn't exist and bin-Laden was a minor money man from Saudi for the mudje. Reagan spoke of the mudjeheddin, not al-Qaeda. Bin-Laden saw little combat during the struggle against the USSR. Al-Qaeda was not founded until 1989.

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The Ba'ath Party seized power in a coup in the early 1960's. Saddam was part of the Ba'ath Party and seized power himself in 1978 I believe it was.

We supported Saddam and secretly sold weapons to Khomanie at the same time. Our support of both helped Khomanie purge secular opposition and solidify his repressive Islamic regime. The war helped Khomanie crack down on dissent and the Iranian people came to the defense of their country.

There was no need to support either as Iran was more of threat of example then militarily.

We certainly didn't secretly sell weapons to Hitler as we supported Stalin.

The Afghan war had a few different factions and not all committed atrocities. Under Reagan the CIA recruited, trained and supplied bin Laden and the most radical Islamic fundamentalists as they committed atrocities and promoted their extreme brand of Islam. Bin Laden was their leader and still sees little combat as leader of al Qaeda today. They were the beginning of al Qaeda.

Actually Carter began support for the Mujahadeen but it didn't become a serious force unitl Reagan recruited bin Laden. US also helped with logistics and intelligence.

Bin Laden was always a radical fundamentalist because he resented US dominance of his country and the Mideast and the corruption.
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Originally posted by interventor:
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Originally posted by interventor:
Pogo,

There you go again, ole possum. Intersting, if true.

But, Sources of Iraqi Weaponry between 1973-2002:

Soviet Union/Russia
$19.2 Billion
61%

France
$5.5 Billion
18%

People's Republic of China
$1.7 Billion
5%

Brazil
$1.1 Billion
4%

Egypt
$1.1 Billion
4%

Other countries
$2.9 Billion
6%

US was about 0.46% for $200 million for the period.

WMD precusors were mainly provided by USSR, France and, I believe, Germany.

Of course, Saddsam claimed to have weapons and gave an inventory. The UN inspectors were neverv allowed to view their destruction. We found about 567 WMD, mostly old. What happed to the rest?

Please research more, before posting.



I have read different web sites with much different numbers than you just posted,... and when I took my grandson to the Library, I looked at a REAL HISTORY BOOK, and fact is... he got them from us (mainly) and when he got them from us, it was from (FOR THE MOST PART) 2 different Republican Presidents that sold to him in our more recent history... One was Nixon, and the other was Reagan..

I think that the Library is a much better, but slower method of actually KNOWING the real history... because anyone can find anything they WANT to on the internet to fit their own personal agenda...
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Originally posted by kperk:
I was just watching a program with actual footage of saddam using weapons of mass destruction to kill almost 90,000 civilians in a matter of days. Thousands of people including small children and babies seemingly frozen in agony. Isn't it funny how a certain segment of our population now wants to act like this never happened, that saddam had no weapons of mass destruction just to promote their political attack on President Bush. May the ghosts of those 190,000 people haunt you forever and you know who you are.

I haven't heard too many of us commie libs singing the praises of Saddam as you or others seem to be suggesting. I don't think anyone can argue that he was a bad man and a bad leader. But is it the job of the United States of America to police the world and go around removing bad people from office in other countries? If so, why are we not in Sudan. Where was Uncle Sam during the genocide in Rwanda? I'm sorry, but the way I see it, if a country has a bad leader, that is NOT MY PROBLEM -- unless of course that leader presents a CREDIBLE threat to this country. Or do we only care about removing bad leaders from countries who possess vast petroleum reserves? And just pay "lip service" to the others?
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Originally posted by kperk:
I was just watching a program with actual footage of saddam using weapons of mass destruction to kill almost 90,000 civilians in a matter of days. Thousands of people including small children and babies seemingly frozen in agony. Isn't it funny how a certain segment of our population now wants to act like this never happened, that saddam had no weapons of mass destruction just to promote their political attack on President Bush. May the ghosts of those 190,000 people haunt you forever and you know who you are.


Question...at the time we hopped over to Iraq, did we know without a doubt that North Korea had and has WMDs?
Joy:

Question...at the time we hopped over to Iraq, did we know without a doubt that North Korea had and has WMDs?

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Yes we did. People forget and the corporate media never reminds us but when Bush came in back in 2001 he called Kim Jong Ill a "despicable pigmy" and some other insults and canceled the agreements Clinton had negotiated with them in the 90's.

Kim Jong Ill then began to "Tweak Bush's nose" (so to speak) and give it right back to Bush, which the media plays up.

North Korea then admitted it had secretly broken the agreements but had suspended it's nuclear program but then began to continue it again. .

We are in Iraq for the oil. Bush knew Saddam had no WMD, the whole world knew which is why the majority would not go along with the invasion.

The first of Bush's and the Democrat Congresses "Benchmarks" for Iraq is to sign the oil bill which opens up their oil and the majority of its profits to the oil companies.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
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Originally posted by kperk:
I was just watching a program with actual footage of saddam using weapons of mass destruction to kill almost 90,000 civilians in a matter of days. Thousands of people including small children and babies seemingly frozen in agony. Isn't it funny how a certain segment of our population now wants to act like this never happened, that saddam had no weapons of mass destruction just to promote their political attack on President Bush. May the ghosts of those 190,000 people haunt you forever and you know who you are.


Question...at the time we hopped over to Iraq, did we know without a doubt that North Korea had and has WMDs?


Yes, Joy, we have known about Kora for many years.

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