I`m just wondering which do you guys think about this.As for me I like CC.But there are some out there who say that it conforms with the world.Any thoughts?
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I like contempary christian music. We have a combination of contemporary and the old hymns in our church.
Hi Geddon,
Music is a form of worship. The Praise Team should be leading the folks in the worship of God through music. It does not matter what form the music takes as long as the words are correct theology and the people are joyfully singing.
When I go into a church and the Praise Team is wailing away -- and no one else in the church is singing -- there is a problem. At that point what we have is entertainment and not worship through music.
It is great to have special songs by soloists or by the Praise Team. But, when it is supposed to be the congregation singing -- and they are not -- there is a problem.
I equate that with the pastor giving a sermon -- and everyone in the church is asleep. Not much worship going on.
I heard an interview on Christian Radion a couple of years ago. They were interviewing a couple who were professional recording artists, as well as being the Praise Team for their church. I will never forget what the husband said. He told the interviewer, "When we are recording or giving a concert, we sing one way, for we are entertaining. However, when we are the Praise Team leading music worship; we sing in a totally different way."
So, to summarize; it is not so much the beat of the music -- it is whether the people who come to church to worship God -- are being allowed to worship God through music.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Music is a form of worship. The Praise Team should be leading the folks in the worship of God through music. It does not matter what form the music takes as long as the words are correct theology and the people are joyfully singing.
When I go into a church and the Praise Team is wailing away -- and no one else in the church is singing -- there is a problem. At that point what we have is entertainment and not worship through music.
It is great to have special songs by soloists or by the Praise Team. But, when it is supposed to be the congregation singing -- and they are not -- there is a problem.
I equate that with the pastor giving a sermon -- and everyone in the church is asleep. Not much worship going on.
I heard an interview on Christian Radion a couple of years ago. They were interviewing a couple who were professional recording artists, as well as being the Praise Team for their church. I will never forget what the husband said. He told the interviewer, "When we are recording or giving a concert, we sing one way, for we are entertaining. However, when we are the Praise Team leading music worship; we sing in a totally different way."
So, to summarize; it is not so much the beat of the music -- it is whether the people who come to church to worship God -- are being allowed to worship God through music.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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I pretty much listen to only Contemporary Christian. I don't like the worldy lyrics of pop and I despise the total package of country music. I think it gives us a much needed spiritual break from the world but allows the type of music we like. I do not like old hymns. They sound totally bluegrassy. It isn't most of the words, it is the music. Doesn't make me feel worshipful at all.
Thanks for your input guys.There are some who think that if it isn`t done in a quartet then it`s of the devil.I had dissagreements with an old pastor of mine over it.It got so bad that we left the church because he accused us and some others of corrupting the youth of the church.Claimed we were taking them to rock concerts.We took them to Mercy Me and Newsboys concerts.Is their anyone with a different opinion.I would like to hear your thoughts.
There are a couple of ways to look at it.
#1 If you don't give them good wholesome Christian music no matter the style to grab there attention and keep it. They will go else where and get the music they like.
#2 The Israelites had a type music called call & return or maybe it is called diadactic (really not for sure). Sometimes you can still see this style in some Catholic services. However if you read the Psalms of the Bible you will see this style. Basically it was done in worship to the one true God by one group singing a verse and then another group singing either the same verse or maybe a different verse in return.
#3 Depending on your or their likes and dislikes... Your heart singing worship to God can be done in any style you imagine. You see it is not always the Christian words, beat or style that give God the glory and praise but it is your Heart, your mind and your soul being in one accord towards the one that has given you Life.
If you sing like you are in Love with your savior then your mouth, your actions, & your "dance like David danced" (2 Samuel 6 verse 12 - 15) will show your true worship for God.
God has given the best outline for worshiping in His word. Mans thoughts on it are irrelevant.
It is between you and the Lord on how you worship Him if you trust in Him the Holy Spirit will quicken your heart to right or wrong ways of worship.
Trust in the Lord always, man is only man!
God bless and have a great day.
#1 If you don't give them good wholesome Christian music no matter the style to grab there attention and keep it. They will go else where and get the music they like.
#2 The Israelites had a type music called call & return or maybe it is called diadactic (really not for sure). Sometimes you can still see this style in some Catholic services. However if you read the Psalms of the Bible you will see this style. Basically it was done in worship to the one true God by one group singing a verse and then another group singing either the same verse or maybe a different verse in return.
#3 Depending on your or their likes and dislikes... Your heart singing worship to God can be done in any style you imagine. You see it is not always the Christian words, beat or style that give God the glory and praise but it is your Heart, your mind and your soul being in one accord towards the one that has given you Life.
If you sing like you are in Love with your savior then your mouth, your actions, & your "dance like David danced" (2 Samuel 6 verse 12 - 15) will show your true worship for God.
God has given the best outline for worshiping in His word. Mans thoughts on it are irrelevant.
It is between you and the Lord on how you worship Him if you trust in Him the Holy Spirit will quicken your heart to right or wrong ways of worship.
Trust in the Lord always, man is only man!
God bless and have a great day.
What is a praise team? Is that the same as a choir?
U2charists are pretty cool -- but Bono is a devout member of the Church of Ireland, and so his music always has had a deep spiritual element to it.
Church music is very varied around the world, from "Negro spirituals" to ancient Geez hymns out of Ancient Egypt in Egypt, Ethiopia, and Eritea. Of course we in the West are used to Bach, Beethoven, and the Wesleys and Handel, Mendelsohn, etc. The ancient plain chant of the ancient church liturgies is probably the best preserved really old stuff, along with the Jewish chants from Baghdad.
The variety is quite astonishing, really. I would assume that the Church of St. Thomas in India is basically ancient Syrian melodies with a South Indian twist to them. Probably the most moving I have ever heard is Russian monks chanting in bass voices.
U2charists are pretty cool -- but Bono is a devout member of the Church of Ireland, and so his music always has had a deep spiritual element to it.
Church music is very varied around the world, from "Negro spirituals" to ancient Geez hymns out of Ancient Egypt in Egypt, Ethiopia, and Eritea. Of course we in the West are used to Bach, Beethoven, and the Wesleys and Handel, Mendelsohn, etc. The ancient plain chant of the ancient church liturgies is probably the best preserved really old stuff, along with the Jewish chants from Baghdad.
The variety is quite astonishing, really. I would assume that the Church of St. Thomas in India is basically ancient Syrian melodies with a South Indian twist to them. Probably the most moving I have ever heard is Russian monks chanting in bass voices.
Hymns were contemporary at one time. 
You got have a point there joy. 
Hi Joy,
To Geddon's question, "I'm just wondering which do you guys think about this. As for me I like Contemporary Christian. But there are some out there who say that it conforms with the world. Any thoughts?"
Fawn responded, "I like Contemporary Christian music. We have a combination of contemporary and the old hymns in our church."
You say, "Hymns were contemporary at one time."
Joy, you are so right. I have often made that comparison -- the praise songs of 200 years ago are our hymns of today. A good example is the author of one of our favorite hymns, Amazing Grace -- John Newton. Newton, after his conversion from slave trader to Christian, became an Anglican pastor in England. From the book "101 Hymn Stories" I get the following excerpt:
Another of Newton's extremist practices at the Olney Church was the singing of hymns that expressed the simple, heartfelt faith of his preaching rather than the staid singing of the Psalms from the Sternhold and Hopkins Psalter, which was practiced in other Anglican churches. When Newton couldn't find enough available hymns for this purpose, he began writing his own. To assist in this endeavor, he enlisted the aid of his friend and neighbor, William Cowper, a well-known writer of classic literature of this period. In 1779 their combined efforts produced the famous Olney Hymns hymnal, one of the most important single contributions made to the field of evangelical hymnody. In this ambitious collection of 349 hymns, sixty-seven were written by Cowper with the remainder by Newton. The purpose of the hymnal, according to Newton's Preface, was "a desire to promote the faith and comfort of sincere Christians."
So, not liking the staid old music of the church of his day -- we find our new Praise Song writer of the late 1700s -- John Newton. What he did then is exactly what we find today -- young, vibrant pastors, Christian worship leaders, and musicians -- wanting something more relevant to our time. I go along with this as long as the lyrics are theologically sound.
Although, I will agree with Fawn who said she likes a mixture of both praise songs and hymns -- or at least accepts this mixture. I like this also; for when I sing hymns, especially Amazing Grace, it brings memories of my grandfather and grandmother to mind. I can still see that little tent church they attended, set back in the woods near their farm outside Tuscumbia.
Now, I never thought I would care for Christian Rap music. Even after hearing a CD of a my friend, Leon Patillo's, son, Noel, singing Christian Rap, I was still not convinced. Then, about six months ago, Leon, who after being lead singer for the Carlos Santana Band, went into Christian music, won a Dove Award for a song he co-wrote, and is now pastor of a church at the Queen Mary in Long Beach -- was invited to give a message and sing at the Filipino church in Irvine, California. He invited us to go with them.
After Leon sang, he accompanied Noel on the piano. Watching Noel sing his Christian Rap in person was a totally different experience than hearing it on CD. But, the thing which really thrilled me was watching the faces of the young people in the congregation as Noel sang. They were totally into it -- and hanging onto every Christian word Noel rapped to them. We "oldies but goodies" might not always get the message -- but, the young people do. And, that is what we want; for them to be more and more in love with Jesus. For they are our next generation of Christian leaders.
Leon also has a new radio program every Saturday morning at 10:00 AM California time. On the show, Leon will be interviewing people, giving a message, and singing. I know you will enjoy listening. Here is info on the program:
Experience Leon's radio show You Can Begin Again every Saturday at 10:00 AM, Pacific Standard Time on KBRT 740 on your AM station. To listen "LIVE" on your computer, go to Link
It is a program that will inspire you and give you hope. Leon will be interviewing various people from different walks of life who will give their testimonies from their bitter beginnings to their sweet endings.
And, if you are ever in Southern California, make it a point to attend worship service at their church. I promise you that you will not be able to sit still -- even if you are an old conservative fundamentalist like me.
Pastor Leon Patillo has moved The Rock House Church aboard the Queen Mary ship in Long Beach, CA.
The Rock House Church Queen Mary – 1126 Queen's Highway Long Beach, CA 90802
The Rock House is a contemporary church with inspiring Music and motivational Teaching in a Fun-filled environment. We are a family of believers, as God intended — a mixture of all races and denominations — just like heaven will be one day. Our mission is to assist you in becoming the head and not the tail — in your Spirit, your Body, your Finance and your Romance.
Come join us on Sunday mornings at 10 AM and let the Love of our Lord and Savior encourage YOU!!
Now, I know some of our Forum Friends will be asking, "Bill, why are you telling us all of this? Geddon only asked if we think Contemporary Christian music belongs in the churches."
That is true, the discussion began with that question -- and went into folks sharing their thoughts on music in churches. And, I have given you my opinion of Christian music -- all the way from hymns, to upbeat Christian music, to Christian Rap.
Why have I told you all this about the Leon Patillo Ministry? Well, just like sharing Christ with everyone -- when I find something special, a person or new resource, that I know will inspire you and bring you closer to Jesus Christ -- I want to share this with you also. And, I know that Leon's music, his ministry, and he himself, will bring you closer to Jesus Christ. I have found a source of Christian inspiration and I want to share this with my Forum Friends.
Go to his web site: Link and you can learn much more -- as well as get some of his recordings. You will be blessed.
And, all of this fits into my thoughts on music in our churches today.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
To Geddon's question, "I'm just wondering which do you guys think about this. As for me I like Contemporary Christian. But there are some out there who say that it conforms with the world. Any thoughts?"
Fawn responded, "I like Contemporary Christian music. We have a combination of contemporary and the old hymns in our church."
You say, "Hymns were contemporary at one time."
Joy, you are so right. I have often made that comparison -- the praise songs of 200 years ago are our hymns of today. A good example is the author of one of our favorite hymns, Amazing Grace -- John Newton. Newton, after his conversion from slave trader to Christian, became an Anglican pastor in England. From the book "101 Hymn Stories" I get the following excerpt:
Another of Newton's extremist practices at the Olney Church was the singing of hymns that expressed the simple, heartfelt faith of his preaching rather than the staid singing of the Psalms from the Sternhold and Hopkins Psalter, which was practiced in other Anglican churches. When Newton couldn't find enough available hymns for this purpose, he began writing his own. To assist in this endeavor, he enlisted the aid of his friend and neighbor, William Cowper, a well-known writer of classic literature of this period. In 1779 their combined efforts produced the famous Olney Hymns hymnal, one of the most important single contributions made to the field of evangelical hymnody. In this ambitious collection of 349 hymns, sixty-seven were written by Cowper with the remainder by Newton. The purpose of the hymnal, according to Newton's Preface, was "a desire to promote the faith and comfort of sincere Christians."
So, not liking the staid old music of the church of his day -- we find our new Praise Song writer of the late 1700s -- John Newton. What he did then is exactly what we find today -- young, vibrant pastors, Christian worship leaders, and musicians -- wanting something more relevant to our time. I go along with this as long as the lyrics are theologically sound.
Although, I will agree with Fawn who said she likes a mixture of both praise songs and hymns -- or at least accepts this mixture. I like this also; for when I sing hymns, especially Amazing Grace, it brings memories of my grandfather and grandmother to mind. I can still see that little tent church they attended, set back in the woods near their farm outside Tuscumbia.
Now, I never thought I would care for Christian Rap music. Even after hearing a CD of a my friend, Leon Patillo's, son, Noel, singing Christian Rap, I was still not convinced. Then, about six months ago, Leon, who after being lead singer for the Carlos Santana Band, went into Christian music, won a Dove Award for a song he co-wrote, and is now pastor of a church at the Queen Mary in Long Beach -- was invited to give a message and sing at the Filipino church in Irvine, California. He invited us to go with them.
After Leon sang, he accompanied Noel on the piano. Watching Noel sing his Christian Rap in person was a totally different experience than hearing it on CD. But, the thing which really thrilled me was watching the faces of the young people in the congregation as Noel sang. They were totally into it -- and hanging onto every Christian word Noel rapped to them. We "oldies but goodies" might not always get the message -- but, the young people do. And, that is what we want; for them to be more and more in love with Jesus. For they are our next generation of Christian leaders.
Leon also has a new radio program every Saturday morning at 10:00 AM California time. On the show, Leon will be interviewing people, giving a message, and singing. I know you will enjoy listening. Here is info on the program:
Experience Leon's radio show You Can Begin Again every Saturday at 10:00 AM, Pacific Standard Time on KBRT 740 on your AM station. To listen "LIVE" on your computer, go to Link
It is a program that will inspire you and give you hope. Leon will be interviewing various people from different walks of life who will give their testimonies from their bitter beginnings to their sweet endings.
And, if you are ever in Southern California, make it a point to attend worship service at their church. I promise you that you will not be able to sit still -- even if you are an old conservative fundamentalist like me.
Pastor Leon Patillo has moved The Rock House Church aboard the Queen Mary ship in Long Beach, CA.
The Rock House Church Queen Mary – 1126 Queen's Highway Long Beach, CA 90802
The Rock House is a contemporary church with inspiring Music and motivational Teaching in a Fun-filled environment. We are a family of believers, as God intended — a mixture of all races and denominations — just like heaven will be one day. Our mission is to assist you in becoming the head and not the tail — in your Spirit, your Body, your Finance and your Romance.
Come join us on Sunday mornings at 10 AM and let the Love of our Lord and Savior encourage YOU!!
Now, I know some of our Forum Friends will be asking, "Bill, why are you telling us all of this? Geddon only asked if we think Contemporary Christian music belongs in the churches."
That is true, the discussion began with that question -- and went into folks sharing their thoughts on music in churches. And, I have given you my opinion of Christian music -- all the way from hymns, to upbeat Christian music, to Christian Rap.
Why have I told you all this about the Leon Patillo Ministry? Well, just like sharing Christ with everyone -- when I find something special, a person or new resource, that I know will inspire you and bring you closer to Jesus Christ -- I want to share this with you also. And, I know that Leon's music, his ministry, and he himself, will bring you closer to Jesus Christ. I have found a source of Christian inspiration and I want to share this with my Forum Friends.
Go to his web site: Link and you can learn much more -- as well as get some of his recordings. You will be blessed.
And, all of this fits into my thoughts on music in our churches today.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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