By Marilyn Adamson

 

Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

consider this warning Paul gave: "See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22)

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Actually David the fact is the only record of the event is the Bible itself. Otherwise there are many theories out there and none of them can be proven or tested. No two of them agree nor does one allow for a significant part of the other to have been correct. That is why I suggest the 6k model w/instructions for everyone. Compared to the few of us who understand the truth in the Biblical account the vast majority just aren’t able to grasp the thinking necessary to see the Bible as the foundation of all science.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 

Why are you batting your eyes? While science claims to seek the truth, it is not the truth, and never will be, because science is never settled, despite what some politicians might tell you. 

 

Science is nothing but our constantly changing best-guess of the workings of nature. If you are seeking the truth, look elsewhere. 

While our scientific experts are at it, given that there is no questioning evolution as the vehicle of life, lets hear not only the justification of how everything, great and small, living and nonliving came from one thing which essentially is nothing or a vapor, gas etc?     Additionally how did the living develop and then expand from the non-living?   

 

It would also be interesting to know, from anyone in our atheistic scientific community, how you came to know and accept that which you promote as the answer to the above questions?  


I subscribe to the God Created crowd who does not need to understand the process God used to create but accept that He did and had a purpose in doing so as well as controlling not only the process but knows and controls what will play out in the future as well.  The origin of our Universe, Space, Life and all other creation was the thought of God from the Spiritual Realm creates the Spiritual in an exact process that is exponentially so far from humankind comprehension.  


For those who consider that as BS then present us with your answers to the questions above and demonstrate to us how wise and intelligent you are.  Remember to include the source of your profound knowledge into this area of expertise if you will since you are providing us with answers to the origins of all including life itself.

Originally Posted by Winston Niles Rumfoord:

Tell us about science, Jimi. 

 

Since you've passed on to the other side, you ought to know all about science and the truth. 

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jimiwad doesn't have an answer because he doesn't know the answer.

 

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Why are you batting your eyes? While science claims to seek the truth, it is not the truth, and never will be, because science is never settled, despite what some politicians might tell you.

 

 

 

Science seeks. Science will continue to seek as long as there is life on earth. I am glad science seeks. Can you show me anything anywhere that says rep u t a ble scientists are trying to prove or disprove a god? That's not what science does. Thank goodness science seeks. I'd hate to think what shape we'd be in if it didn't.

Originally Posted by thomaswayne0907:

ok, then someone explain to me how the heck someone can be created from dirt? seriously, i want to know. people have such a hard time thinking that cells multiplied and mutated to eventually form life, but no problem that dirt turned into human flesh?

 

 

I hear ya! Pretty cool 'bout all that "life" science has "created", using  that "recipe" scientists tout.

You know, the one where EVERYTHING just happened to be PERFECT for NON-LIFE to ...morph...to...LIFE!

I can't wait to see one of "those"...

Where are they keeping them hidden?

 

Originally Posted by Winston Niles Rumfoord:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 

Why are you batting your eyes? While science claims to seek the truth, it is not the truth, and never will be, because science is never settled, despite what some politicians might tell you. 

 

Science is nothing but our constantly changing best-guess of the workings of nature. If you are seeking the truth, look elsewhere. 

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Very well put Winston, very well put and it is the truth.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Why are you batting your eyes? While science claims to seek the truth, it is not the truth, and never will be, because science is never settled, despite what some politicians might tell you.

 

 

 

Science seeks. Science will continue to seek as long as there is life on earth. I am glad science seeks. Can you show me anything anywhere that says rep u t a ble scientists are trying to prove or disprove a god? That's not what science does. Thank goodness science seeks. I'd hate to think what shape we'd be in if it didn't.

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You are correct working girl the atheist idiots have thought all along scientists are trying to disprove God.

that’s never been the case. You are the first idiot on here that has had the balls to admit it though.

Scientists run from you fools. There are some scientist who claim they don’t believe in God but they are lying. It’s the pierre cardin thing to do in a university setting.

Originally Posted by thomaswayne0907:

which theory is more believable? and use your own brain, i mean really think about it, just try to imagine dirt, and then imagine man, that's all im saying

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Yes tom in the classical sense man is made from dirt [minerals] . What did you imagine him built out of Einstein? The Bible stated that some 6k years ago. The Bible is the source of all science. I noticed somebody in knee socks allowed that immediately after the big bang there was nothing but photons in the universe. DUH!!! Genesis told us that some 6k years ago.

Originally Posted by thomaswayne0907:

ok, then someone explain to me how the heck someone can be created from dirt? seriously, i want to know. people have such a hard time thinking that cells multiplied and mutated to eventually form life, but no problem that dirt turned into human flesh?

No doubt your question stems from the statement in scripture:

Genesis 2:7 (NIV)
{7} the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Essentially the same thought is presented in the following verse as well:

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NIV)
{7} and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

The Bible uses symbolism as well as literal interpretations.  The indication of both verses, and the statement that man is formed from the dust of the ground addresses just one part of what it is to be human.  The second part is man/woman's inner spirit/soul which is created.  The flesh, physical part, of the human man/woman is formed from other flesh but essentially is physical elements that upon physical death returns to those elements or returns to dust.  As far as attempting to explain actual creation of a man from the dust (elements) of the earth the key to understanding and comprehending this is "The LORD GOD Formed" (Created).  God is not human nor is limited by human limitations or restrictions but God's power is beyond possible human understanding and His ways are not our ways.  The flesh/physical dies and returns to the elements but what should matter to each person is that the spirit/soul continues on past death and is eternal and has an eternal destiny determined by God's Judgment.  

 

Many have denied that such exist or happens and that upon death it is just lights out.  Problem is if you then, at that time, find that it isn't lights out but existence past death but no longer under your control or ability to change or alter your eternal fate at that point.  On another thread/topic there was a discussion about Near Death Experiences of several Atheist who, some, were hostile to God and religion yet after their NDE and were brought back turned their life around and changed their direction.  Many became preachers but none retained their dogmatic insistence that there is nothing after death but lights out.  They testified that, at least for them, there was something other than lights out.  Each person will ultimately find out themselves, when in their spirit/soul but no longer will they have words at their disposal for their bodies will have perished and no longer are they able to speak or make decisions.  They are bound by the decisions that they made on faith, while alive and able.  Exercising faith that Jesus Christ bore their sins and justified them from God's Judgment upon their sins and sinfulness or faith that no God exist and that it just ends.  We all exercise faith though but the difference is what we chose to have faith in.

So insane one, the bible was already here when the earth was created in your "6000" year old earth opinion? Numbskulls, the lot of you.

 

January 17, 2001 -- Scientists are drawing a portrait of how Earth looked soon after it formed 4.56 billion years ago, based on clues within the oldest mineral grains ever found. 

Tiny zircons (zirconium silicate crystals) found in ancient stream deposits indicate that Earth developed continents and water -- perhaps even oceans and environments in which microbial life could emerge -- 4.3 billion to 4.4 billion years ago, remarkably soon after our planet formed.

 

http://science.nasa.gov/scienc...asa/2001/ast17jan_1/

GBRK you genius, isn’t it wonderful that the simple wording in the bible made sense to all ages.

A mud pie man concept of man made complete sense to the non scientific people 6k years ago as it does to us today with our knowledge of minerals and elements. A mudpie man fits in nicely today. Another proof of Gods genius and His existence.

        The Bible tells us nothing about the way God created the Earth except that he created it. We as Christians also believe that God created the Universe, again we don’t know how it was done. Maybe it was a Big bang that he used to create the Universe. Maybe it wasn’t. Know one except he knows for sure. I think that certain elements of mater and energy always existed in some form or another. God used these materials to manipulate to useful forms of mater and energy. I believe in science and that that our God and His Son Jesus Christ are the Masters over Science and all things. I believe that there are other Universes. God created this one but He and the material for this one had to have come from somewhere. We can’t be alone in this Universe. I believe God has created countless worlds and other peoples that occupy these worlds. I believe our Earth though is very special (and not special in a bad way). This is the only world that he has sent his only begotten Son Jesus Christ as not only our Savior but as our Lord and King. Yes I believe in evolution but not the evolution of man. Early man was ape. We are human.

Skippy

gb, Did you notice that the atheists all stayed clear of the NDE post.

Best brushed it off and the others won't touch it.

Not even some Christians will investigate them. I've posted accounts

of NDE many times and no one wants to know about it.

This is just one more thing God does for you to believe, you can't say

he isn't constantly trying to save as many as possible.

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++++++++++++++++++++++++++Originally Posted by Bestworking:

So I guess we shouldn't let children play in the dirt-they might create a human. 

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Wul w/gurl I thought you athest dudes thought that could be done in the lab or by accident. Guess I was wrong.

The first man was made of inert minerals [dirt] then the Bible says the next people were formed from living cells. How genius. All one has to do is study the Bible for the concept then science has all the fun chasing it around. And the atheit spends all their time denying it. How cool is that? NOT COOL.LOL

Invictus, I didn't "stay clear" of anything. We've been over this a hundred times. NDE is stupid to say the least. What YOU brush off is the fact that a person's religion, the area of the world they live in, their superstitions, their idea of heaven, determines what they "see".  NDE has been debunked but you still persist so what reason is there to keep going back to it? Go cut the grass and have an experience for yourself.

Originally Posted by okuok:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++Originally Posted by Bestworking:

So I guess we shouldn't let children play in the dirt-they might create a human. 

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Wul w/gurl I thought you athest dudes thought that could be done in the lab or by accident. Guess I was wrong.

The first man was made of inert minerals [dirt] then the Bible says the next people were formed from living cells. How genius. All one has to do is study the Bible for the concept then science has all the fun chasing it around. And the atheit spends all their time denying it. How cool is that? NOT COOL.LOL

 

Since they thought by many is that evolution is at play, with life, I suppose it could be theorized that children could play in the dirt and create a human from dirt and clay.  Following that same logical reasoning one could deduce then, scientifically given the DNA and natural progression of the species and the evidence of their thinking processes that cats can scratch around in the sand and create atheist?

Originally Posted by thomaswayne0907:

ok, then someone explain to me how the heck someone can be created from dirt? seriously, i want to know. people have such a hard time thinking that cells multiplied and mutated to eventually form life, but no problem that dirt turned into human flesh?

What do the scientists believe about the origin of life? 

 

Actually, they haven't got a clue. 

 

I'll go with the Bible until they come up with a better explanation.

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