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Does illegal Sunday Alcohol Sales stop drinking?

KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
You cant legislate morality.....If people want a beer on Monday or Sunday They should have that right......
However if you're drinking and driving, you need to go to jail.
I think Lauderdale County restaurants probably lobby against Colbert County restaurant owners ability to sell...I know Marriott would not have come here if they couldnt sell booze on Sunday.


Reflecting, I don't think you will find one person on the board who advocates drinking and driving. In fact, even I have said I was designated driver to all my friends who drink.

Drinking and DRIVING wasn't the issue, Sunday sales is. NO ONE wants to see anyone drive after drinking....
themaxthemaxHall of Famer
Yes, a drunk driver could be, and more than likely is on our highways as I type. There are always going to be some sort of trade off made in the sale of alcoholic drinks,versus taxes and the "moral" issues involved. I think no matter how one feels or believes in the right or wrong of this issue. The people that want to buy a beer or whatever on Sunday will find a way.

Do any of yall remember the bootlegger days? I remember when a bootlegger put in a one way glass window. You placed your order and money in a pull through drawer, and boom there was your Wild Turkey. I could name the person but that would not be in the best interest of anyone. BTY I was only 17 then.
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
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Originally posted by themax:
Do any of yall remember the bootlegger days? I remember when a bootlegger put in a one way glass window. You placed your order and money in a pull through drawer, and boom there was your Wild Turkey. I could name the person but that would not be in the best interest of anyone. BTY I was only 17 then.


I grew up in a dry county. Kids have a much easier time getting alcohol in a dry county than in a wet one...bootleggers all over town.
themaxthemaxHall of Famer
Joy, you are so right. If it is legal it makes it much harder to get it if you are underage. It was so easy way back then. No one cared how old you were.As long as the money was there.

Makes one think about making things legal, so as to make it harder for underaged kids to get their hands on drugs.

Makes one think doesn't it?
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by themax:
Joy, you are so right. If it is legal it makes it much harder to get it if you are underage. It was so easy way back then. No one cared how old you were.As long as the money was there.

Makes one think about making things legal, so as to make it harder for underaged kids to get their hands on drugs.

Makes one think doesn't it?


Never been to a bootlegger, but I remember the hundreds of times my brother and his friends borrowed money from me and their sisters and anyone else to go to a bootlegger. Back then though, the Police would just make the young'uns pour all of it out on the side of the road. My brother said he poured many a six pack out, LOL.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Bootleggers still exist in dry counties & it is still easy for kids to get alcohol. Only now, crack is also easy to get. I was one of the lucky ones that didn't get addicted to alcohol, but I have some classmates that were not so lucky. It's pretty sad actually.


From what I have been told, bootleggers still exist around here, for Sunday sales (those too drunk to remember to buy for Sunday) and to minors. Somehow THAT needs to be stopped... Making Sunday Sales LEGAL would put such a damper on any area bootlegger's profits, it would be to their interest to get out of the business, right?
ncardj06ncardj06Small Talker
No, It don't.... Bootleggers many years ago were the ones to see, and the place to be.. you could hang out and drink or you could just make a run, and be back out on the road, doing your usual sunday binge drinking like you would be any other day of the week that ends in "Y".. Sunday sales in other counties and states make it so much easier to take the "outsiders" money, when we could be benifiting from that money right here in our own area, if that is what they want to do with their money than have at it, We as a dry county on just one day, does not justify the fact that it will stop people from stocking up on it on saturday here or in another area that is wet 7 days a week. I personally don't drink, but i think that the ones who do, will always stock up on Saturdays, or will travel to an area where they will be getting another round of that must have nostalgic.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by ncardj06:
No, It don't.... Bootleggers many years ago were the ones to see, and the place to be.. you could hang out and drink or you could just make a run, and be back out on the road, doing your usual sunday binge drinking like you would be any other day of the week that ends in "Y".. Sunday sales in other counties and states make it so much easier to take the "outsiders" money, when we could be benifiting from that money right here in our own area, if that is what they want to do with their money than have at it, We as a dry county on just one day, does not justify the fact that it will stop people from stocking up on it on saturday here or in another area that is wet 7 days a week. I personally don't drink, but i think that the ones who do, will always stock up on Saturdays, or will travel to an area where they will be getting another round of that must have nostalgic.


ncardj... you said a mouthful right there!!! No Sunday Sales, No Lotteries, No gambling... our political leaders WANT to control us, but it is not happening ... those who want to drink on Sunday, do it... those who want to buy Lottery tickets ... do it. Those who want to gamble ... do it. Our Political leaders only ONLY letting our money go to other states and other people... when do you think they are going to realize that people are GOING to do what they WANT to do regardless of how many 'little laws' they pass.

I am adult, I do buy Lottery tickets, I have been to Tunica once, but I dont drink. BUT on the other hand, I will protect anyone's right to do with their hard-earned money what they WANT to do with it. Laws will not change what people do ... people will just go somewhere else to do it, and our State, County and Cities all lose that revenue, how smart is that... really? Roll Eyes
B brakefield20032003Everybody Knows My Name
Early on in this thread I wondered where the people who were against Sunday sales were. I don't think anyone has shown up to defend the law as it is currently enacted. Obviously the people against Sunday sales are around because they soundly defeated the Colbert County measure. I just want to see someone successfully argue against Sunday sales, so maybe I could understand the other side. As it sits right now, I can not comprehend why one would be against selling alcohol on Sunday when it is sold 6 other days a week.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
Early on in this thread I wondered where the people who were against Sunday sales were. I don't think anyone has shown up to defend the law as it is currently enacted. Obviously the people against Sunday sales are around because they soundly defeated the Colbert County measure. I just want to see someone successfully argue against Sunday sales, so maybe I could understand the other side. As it sits right now, I can not comprehend why one would be against selling alcohol on Sunday when it is sold 6 other days a week.


brakefield, I think most of the opposition came from the HUGE churches in our area... and I agree with you, it is time that SOMEBODY defend Sunday Sales, Lottery, and Casino's to all the ADULTS here who want answers.

Reckon how we can get that? lol...
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
KS/Brakefield/All, I'm not so sure it is just large churches. To be honest, the only Christians I have heard voice opposition to Sunday sales is the older generations. I think they believe is should be illegal every day, but selling it on the Lord's Day is just more than they can stand. So, if they can at least keep it gone on Sunday, they will.

Personally, I see no verses in the Bible that say you cannot have alcoholic drinks at all. In fact, the Bible actually recommends to drink wine for a weak stomach. The only thing the Bible discourages in being drunk regularly. Duh, you think they might have known it's addictive? That's all it is saying, much like other subjects brought up in the Bible, do things in moderation - use your brain!
L lookn2itEverybody Knows My Name
Joy you are dead on with this one. I think it is mostly the older generation in the area churches. I am a Christian and have no problem with selling on Sunday and yes (gasp) I am COC even. Our area is just steeped in tradition from our political parties and ties to what days it is okay to drink. And as Joy stated MODERATION- it is the key to it all.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
KS/Brakefield/All, I'm not so sure it is just large churches. To be honest, the only Christians I have heard voice opposition to Sunday sales is the older generations. I think they believe is should be illegal every day, but selling it on the Lord's Day is just more than they can stand. So, if they can at least keep it gone on Sunday, they will.

Personally, I see no verses in the Bible that say you cannot have alcoholic drinks at all. In fact, the Bible actually recommends to drink wine for a weak stomach. The only thing the Bible discourages in being drunk regularly. Duh, you think they might have known it's addictive? That's all it is saying, much like other subjects brought up in the Bible, do things in moderation - use your brain!


I think you are totally right Joy... but as I age, I dont want to be remembered as some old woman who dictated everyone's life.

Drinking isn't a sin, Jesus made the best wine in the world, it is GETTING DRUNK that is the sin. I don't even drink, but I think any one over the age of 21 should make their own decisions, not me.

And on the other things, I will buy Lottery tickets, ... Tennessee is getting richer... I have been to Tunica, and they got a little richer.

Thing is, People ARE going to do these things but Alabama is losing the revenue because of it. I sure wish that Tennessee, Georgia, Florida and Mississippi could somehow or another come up with a 'figure' of how much Alabamians spend on THEIR revenue each week!!! It would be surprising, I am sure.

Keeping Lottery/gambling illegal in Alabama only hurts Alabama and helps our surrounding states... within the next few years, after Tenn.'s fairly new Lottery starts really being able to help students, roads and things from ALABAMIAN money, then maybe Alabama will finally decide that Adults can be Adults, and Alabama HAS to have the revenue from it.
B brakefield20032003Everybody Knows My Name
Joy, I think you said it right. You too Kindred Spirit. I don't personally know whether large churches were openly against the measure, though I suspect they were. I go to a pretty small church ( <300 members) and the subject was never brought up. In fact, no politics are ever brought up there. We pray for the elected officials but that is about it.

Nonetheless, I am still waiting on someone to make a valid point as to why alcohol should not be sold on Sunday when it is sold on ever other day of the week. Joy, I think that you have probably stated what the anti-alcohol on sunday argument is, but I would like to hear someone really try to defend that point. I know you were just bringing it up to show us all the argument against.
REDNEVEDNAVREDNEVEDNAVHall of Famer
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
Joy, I think you said it right. You too Kindred Spirit. I don't personally know whether large churches were openly against the measure, though I suspect they were. I go to a pretty small church ( <300 members) and the subject was never brought up. In fact, no politics are ever brought up there. We pray for the elected officials but that is about it.

Nonetheless, I am still waiting on someone to make a valid point as to why alcohol should not be sold on Sunday when it is sold on ever other day of the week. Joy, I think that you have probably stated what the anti-alcohol on sunday argument is, but I would like to hear someone really try to defend that point. I know you were just bringing it up to show us all the argument against.


From a legal standpoint, there is absolutely no arguement against Sunday sales....it is purely a religious issue...so you won't get what you are looking for on here. Unfortunately for the local economies, an individual's vote cannot be debated.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Nonetheless, I am still waiting on someone to make a valid point as to why alcohol should not be sold on Sunday when it is sold on ever other day of the week. Joy, I think that you have probably stated what the anti-alcohol on sunday argument is, but I would like to hear someone really try to defend that point. I know you were just bringing it up to show us all the argument against.


You know, I dont believe anyone CAN produce any good reason, that is why no one has been here to defend it.

No one has been here to defend selling Lottery tickets.

No one has been here defending anyone going to a Casino in another State.

No one has been here to argue about all the millions in Revenue over all these subjects.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
quote:
Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
Joy, I think you said it right. You too Kindred Spirit. I don't personally know whether large churches were openly against the measure, though I suspect they were. I go to a pretty small church ( <300 members) and the subject was never brought up. In fact, no politics are ever brought up there. We pray for the elected officials but that is about it.

Nonetheless, I am still waiting on someone to make a valid point as to why alcohol should not be sold on Sunday when it is sold on ever other day of the week. Joy, I think that you have probably stated what the anti-alcohol on sunday argument is, but I would like to hear someone really try to defend that point. I know you were just bringing it up to show us all the argument against.


From a legal standpoint, there is absolutely no arguement against Sunday sales....it is purely a religious issue...so you won't get what you are looking for on here. Unfortunately for the local economies, an individual's vote cannot be debated.


Red, I agree, I was told about a certain Sunday Sermon when the Lottery was an issue. The LAME excuse that was used was that parents would spend all their money on lottery tickets (ONE DOLLAR EACH) and not on their kids...

HELLO!!! If a parent wants a lottery ticket, they not only spend that dollar, they now spend at least five more in gas getting somewhere to buy them... now who the heck can pass any judgements??
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by taint:
They can't but the big casino money from Mississippi, can sure buy a lot of T.V. ads.


No State around us wants us to have a Casino, nor lotteries, it would take TOO much money away from them. It is like way back during the late 60's and early 70's when it was DRY around here, Tennessee poured a lot of money into every vote we had... they really lost when our area went wet. Now we have FOUR states wanting us to stay the way we are, WAY BEHIND THE TIMES!!
B brakefield20032003Everybody Knows My Name
I understand that it is a religious issue, and I am not saying that a person's vote shouldn't count. What I am saying is that I just want to hear someone defend the position that alcohol shouldn't be sold on Sunday. Whether their argument is based on legal or religious issues doesn't matter to me. I just want to hear a well thought out argument. We haven't gotten that here. Everyone who is posting in this topic seems to be at least partially for Sunday sales.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
Illegal Sunday alcohol sales achieves one thing, it hurts business. Order a beer or two with your Sunday dinner out and your ticket goes up. Think about the percentage of revenue a convenience store gets from selling beer, that disappears on Sunday. Think about how many liquor (package) stores that can't open at all. The store pays rent for the month regardless of if it's open or not. That's at least 4 days of expenses that generates no revenue.

Does it reduce drinking? Of course not. People just buy on Saturdays, save for Sunday, or just go out of state. The reason no one is arguing for it is because there isn't any logical benefit to argue. It's a bad idea and it surprises me that it's still in effect.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Illegal Sunday alcohol sales achieves one thing, it hurts business. Order a beer or two with your Sunday dinner out and your ticket goes up. Think about the percentage of revenue a convenience store gets from selling beer, that disappears on Sunday. Think about how many liquor (package) stores that can't open at all. The store pays rent for the month regardless of if it's open or not. That's at least 4 days of expenses that generates no revenue.

Does it reduce drinking? Of course not. People just buy on Saturdays, save for Sunday, or just go out of state. The reason no one is arguing for it is because there isn't any logical benefit to argue. It's a bad idea and it surprises me that it's still in effect.


You know Nash, that is one thing I do NOT understand about North Alabama Resturants and stores who sell alcohol. Why don't THEY rebel that law.

I remember back many many many years ago, when the blue law was enforced, and either Woolco or Walmart, not sure which, violated that Sunday Opening, they said it was cheaper to pay the fine for the amount of money they brought in.

People can make a difference, but so can the business owners, afterall, it is THEIR money they are losing. Most seem like that they are scared to death to 'fight the system'... how sad is that?
B brakefield20032003Everybody Knows My Name
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Originally posted by corey23:
Honestly, who the hell cares. Drunks are going to find a way to get drunk. Whether it's buy their fix in advance, hit up the bootlegger, or catch a ride to Florence.


The thing is, this isn't only about so called "drunks." It is about others who may want a drink on Sunday. Just because one has a drink (or several) doesn't make them "a drunk."

If in fact people are going to find alcohol anyway, then does it really make any sense to have a law against it? No.

You could say the same for drugs, but I'd only be willing to go that far for marijuana.
T traderPost Master
To Brakefield
I was not going to do this..but in the coming posts I am going to tell you some stories about what is like to run liquor to the locations that retailed the liquor and beer throughout the surrounding counties.....How you equip a car... how the runs were made utilizing the rabbit and turtle technique...How scanners and the telephone was used to decoy..what was the best time to run...how much you got paid...what was the average driver like as for education and income..How it was brought in...how they stored it...where it was stored...and how it was distributed...stories of how one bootlegger did it for years and never got caught..what did he did do to beat the boys in blue..I am going to talk about who purchased, how your average church going citizen knew what was going on, but it was tolerated with a nod and a wink...how your state legislature passed a law tying the hands of the law enforcement personnel that prevented them from adequately enforcing the law.
I am also going to tell you also what it is like to chase those same men I use to run liquor with, as a law enforcement officer...What its like to place handcuffs on your friends, that you have eaten dinner with untold amount of times...The funny thing is we still remained friends after their arrest, and they were still invited to my house and me theirs, eventhou we were on different sides later in our lifes.. Today, I still respect a lot of those men...they were just like you and thousands of others who were trying to support their families the best way they knew how...they had pride, in that none, that I knew of would apply for governmental assistance eventhou they would have qualified for it...It was the pride of providing...not being given something for nothing that made them who they were and are today...They were not thieves, running drugs, fencing stolen goods, etc ...They simply looked on liquor and beer running as a job...if something better had been offered, the majority of them would have quit in a heart beat and went with the one that paid the most...Most are dead now...but their sons and daughters still live here..
You are right about being a "Dry County" does not stop liquor or beer from being sold in that county...being dry only encourages your average citizen to break a stupid *** law, that was established by some individuals with good intentions, but had no clue what they actually created. The Colbert County Citizens cut their own business expansive throat when they did not pass the Sunday law..they did not stop Alcohol from being drank, but just pushed the Colbert County citizen to the Florence Food establishments on Sunday...What is that sound? A giant sucking sound of traffic going into Florence on Sunday Afternoon for a wine, and cold beer with their meal..
Liquor enforcement is and was about taxes...had nothing to do with morality..Where it is legal the City,County and State want their cut...don't put their tax stamp on the bottle or case and watch them get upset...
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themaxthemaxHall of Famer
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Originally posted by mustangfan2003:
wait it was against the law to have a business open on sunday? that sounds purely crazy.


Yes the blue law, I can remember it. I'm not sure when it repelled. I can't remember if It was done away it part at first [A certian time a business could open]
or if was repelled totally. I'm old and can't recall the year it happened. Maybe someone with a better memory than I, can inlighted us.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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Honestly, who the hell cares. Drunks are going to find a way to get drunk. Whether it's buy their fix in advance, hit up the bootlegger, or catch a ride to Florence.


Not all drinkers are drunks.


That is a VERY true statement Nash... I hate it when people judge people by a blanket judgement. I have a lot of drinking friends, who don't get drunk, just drink a little on weekends ... And if we are out anywhere they designate me the driver, because even though they probably havent had enough to get them in trouble, it isnt worth the gamble, ya know?

There are ALCOHOLICS in this world, yes, but even I have the decency to call them an alcoholic instead of a drunk.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by themax:
quote:
Originally posted by mustangfan2003:
wait it was against the law to have a business open on sunday? that sounds purely crazy.


Yes the blue law, I can remember it. I'm not sure when it repelled. I can't remember if It was done away it part at first [A certian time a business could open]
or if was repelled totally. I'm old and can't recall the year it happened. Maybe someone with a better memory than I, can inlighted us.


I dont remember the exacty year either, but I was pretty young. I remember everyone standing in line at Woolco to get in at opening (1:00 PM) on Sunday, I think that was what time it was. The Store owner went to jail a few weeks in a row for opening and violating that BLUE LAW... but he said the sales more than paid the fines...

Oh yeah, there was a BLUE LAW... NOTHING, and I mean absolutely NOTHING opened on Sunday.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by traderconnections:
To Brakefield
I was not going to do this..but in the coming posts I am going to tell you some stories about what is like to run liquor to the locations that retailed the liquor and beer throughout the surrounding counties.....How you equip a car... how the runs were made utilizing the rabbit and turtle technique...How scanners and the telephone was used to decoy..what was the best time to run...how much you got paid...what was the average driver like as for education and income..How it was brought in...how they stored it...where it was stored...and how it was distributed...stories of how one bootlegger did it for years and never got caught..what did he did do to beat the boys in blue..I am going to talk about who purchased, how your average church going citizen knew what was going on, but it was tolerated with a nod and a wink...how your state legislature passed a law tying the hands of the law enforcement personnel that prevented them from adequately enforcing the law.
I am also going to tell you also what it is like to chase those same men I use to run liquor with, as a law enforcement officer...What its like to place handcuffs on your friends, that you have eaten dinner with untold amount of times...The funny thing is we still remained friends after their arrest, and they were still invited to my house and me theirs, eventhou we were on different sides later in our lifes.. Today, I still respect a lot of those men...they were just like you and thousands of others who were trying to support their families the best way they knew how...they had pride, in that none, that I knew of would apply for governmental assistance eventhou they would have qualified for it...It was the pride of providing...not being given something for nothing that made them who they were and are today...They were not thieves, running drugs, fencing stolen goods, etc ...They simply looked on liquor and beer running as a job...if something better had been offered, the majority of them would have quit in a heart beat and went with the one that paid the most...Most are dead now...but their sons and daughters still live here..
You are right about being a "Dry County" does not stop liquor or beer from being sold in that county...being dry only encourages your average citizen to break a stupid *** law, that was established by some individuals with good intentions, but had no clue what they actually created. The Colbert County Citizens cut their own business expansive throat when they did not pass the Sunday law..they did not stop Alcohol from being drank, but just pushed the Colbert County citizen to the Florence Food establishments on Sunday...What is that sound? A giant sucking sound of traffic going into Florence on Sunday Afternoon for a wine, and cold beer with their meal..
Liquor enforcement is and was about taxes...had nothing to do with morality..Where it is legal the City,County and State want their cut...don't put their tax stamp on the bottle or case and watch them get upset...


Wow, very interesting... I cannot wait to hear your tales of the era gone by... trader, I think that deserves a thread all its own Smiler
B brakefield20032003Everybody Knows My Name
I would venture to guess that most folks who want a drink on Sunday aren't driving to TN to get a 6 pack. Though I will say I've done it before...head to Iuka and take 25 north tot he TN line, lol.

But rather, it is hurting Colbert County when many many people are going to Lauderdale County restaurants on Sunday just so that they can have a drink. I have done this many times, and in fact, on most occasions, I refuse to eat in Colbert on Sunday just to make a statement, whether I want to have a drink or not.
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