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When Jesus left his disciples and assended to Heaven he had a body of flesh and

bones. Do you believe he still has this Eternal Body?

In   Luke 24 we read;         

39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: a

handle me, and see; for a bspirit hath not cflesh and bones, as ye dseeme have.

41And while they yet believed not for joy, and a

wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43And he took it, and did eat before them.

         46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it abehoved Christ to suffer, and to brisefrom the dead the third day:

47And that arepentance and bremission of sins should be cpreached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48And ye are awitnesses of these things.

49¶And, behold, I send the apromise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be bendued with power from on high.

50¶And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

51And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and acarried up into heaven.

52And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

53And were continually in the atemple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

         What I read, Our Lord Jesus Christ has a body of flesh and bones.

          What's your opinion?

 

Skippy

Skippy

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I'm reading it different, at least for Jesus.

 

In Luke 24 we read;

39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:

handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

41And while they yet believed not for joy, and

wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43And he took it, and did eat before them.

46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

 

In these specific scriptures do you not read,

 39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:

handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

It says a body of flesh and bones after his body was ressurected. Is the Bible true or not?

 

Skippy

Originally Posted by alwilliams767:

Only when he lived on this world 2000 years ago. 

 

Jesus as he now exists is spirit, not flesh and blood. 

 

Just like his Father.

Al, you are corre ct on one point, Jesus does not have a body of flesh and BLOOD. His body is flesh and BONE. Resurection is the inseperable reconnection of the spirit of man and the human body. Jesus was resurected and the verses stated by Skippy are Bible verses attesting to the fact that Jesus was resurected and indeed had a body of flesh and BONES. The Bible also states that Jesus assended in to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father. Nowhere does it say he UNRESURECTED and dumped off His body before ascending into heaven. The Bible also says that as the people saw Jesus ascending, ( with His body of flesh and BONE) so shall He return.

 

Jesus IS NOT a spirit and neither is God the Father! Sorry dude. Please give me verses where Jesus dumped off His body before He went back to heaven and verses as to why it was un important for Jesus to prove that He had His body after He resurected. thank you.

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Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

Sorry,

I'm just trying to ask a Religious question on the Religion Forum. This forum lately

been getting quite off track. Can we just get along and talk about religion and faith.

About the Living Father his living Son Jesus Christ and the living Holy Ghost. The

first two with a body. The Holy Ghost as spirit.

 

Your Freind Skippy


Skip----Jesus' spirit lives within his glorified body, the Father doesn't have a

glorified body. Never did.

 

The Holy Spirit masquerades as a Dove, but we don't know what the spirit look's like.

 

So, two with, one without, is incorrect.

 

Thats my story.

 

Iv

 

 

Originally Posted by WINDSONG:
Originally Posted by alwilliams767:

Only when he lived on this world 2000 years ago. 

 

Jesus as he now exists is spirit, not flesh and blood. 

 

Just like his Father.

Al, you are corre ct on one point, Jesus does not have a body of flesh and BLOOD. His body is flesh and BONE. Resurection is the inseperable reconnection of the spirit of man and the human body. Jesus was resurected and the verses stated by Skippy are Bible verses attesting to the fact that Jesus was resurected and indeed had a body of flesh and BONES. The Bible also states that Jesus assended in to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father. Nowhere does it say he UNRESURECTED and dumped off His body before ascending into heaven. The Bible also says that as the people saw Jesus ascending, ( with His body of flesh and BONE) so shall He return.

 

Jesus IS NOT a spirit and neither is God the Father! Sorry dude. Please give me verses where Jesus dumped off His body before He went back to heaven and verses as to why it was un important for Jesus to prove that He had His body after He resurected. thank you.

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Windy.....A glorified body means the entire body, all of the body.

OK, you are free to believe whatever you want.  Yer pal windy believes that Indians are a lost tribe of Israel.  It's all good (kinda).

 

 But I say that the divine being who was once known on this world as Jesus is no longer manifested in any form which we could recognize as material.  

 

I say that Jesus was before this world was.  That he was with the Father even before the universes of time and space.  That he is a divine Son of God. 

 

I say that Jesus came to this world, not to start some insignificant religion amongst the natives, but to inherit all the power and authority of a universe.  Christianity was a mere byproduct of his bestowal. 

 

And all you can do is think about bones.

Originally Posted by WINDSONG:
Originally Posted by alwilliams767:

Only when he lived on this world 2000 years ago. 

 

Jesus as he now exists is spirit, not flesh and blood. 

 

Just like his Father.

Al, you are corre ct on one point, Jesus does not have a body of flesh and BLOOD. His body is flesh and BONE. Resurection is the inseperable reconnection of the spirit of man and the human body. Jesus was resurected and the verses stated by Skippy are Bible verses attesting to the fact that Jesus was resurected and indeed had a body of flesh and BONES. The Bible also states that Jesus assended in to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father. Nowhere does it say he UNRESURECTED and dumped off His body before ascending into heaven. The Bible also says that as the people saw Jesus ascending, ( with His body of flesh and BONE) so shall He return.

 

Jesus IS NOT a spirit and neither is God the Father! Sorry dude. Please give me verses where Jesus dumped off His body before He went back to heaven and verses as to why it was un important for Jesus to prove that He had His body after He resurected. thank you.

Jesus also told his disciples that he would return before some of them died. He missed that one by a few thousand years.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
 

 

Jesus also told his disciples that he would return before some of them died. He missed that one by a few thousand years.

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Matt 16: 27-28

 

 [27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works. [28] Amen I say to you, there are some of them that stand here, that shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

jimi

 

Jesus is speaking about all of his disciples and disciples to come.

Not necessarily just the ones standing in front of him.

 

Iv

 

 

 

Six or Eight Days?

by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

After Jesus prophesied during His earthly ministry that some would live to see the establishment of God’s kingdom, the first two books of the New Testament indicate six days expired before Peter, James, and John were led up on a high mountain to witness the transfiguration of Jesus (Matthew 16:28-17:2; Mark 9:1-2). Luke’s account, on the other hand, says that Jesus’ transfiguration occurred “about eight days after” Jesus prophesied of the approaching kingdom’s establishment (9:27-29). Skeptics charge that this difference in the time elapsed between the two events constitutes an obvious error. They profess that such textual differences should lead the honest person to admit that the Bible contains contradictions, and thus is not the inerrant Word of God.

Admittedly, at first glance it may seem to the casual reader that Luke’s time line contradicts Matthew and Mark’s account of the time that elapsed between Jesus’ prophecy and His transfiguration. However, a closer examination reveals that Luke never intended for his readers to understand that exactly 192 hours (i.e., eight 24-hour days) elapsed from the moment Jesus finished His prophecy to the time He and the others began their ascent to the “ mount of transfiguration.” Luke recorded that it was “about eight days,” not that it was eight days exactly. Although Luke was a physician (cf. Colossians 4:14), he did not use  “scientific precision” in this case. Rather, he merely approximated the time separating the two events.

Furthermore, it seems clear that whereas Matthew and Mark excluded the days of the two terminal events (the prophecy and the transfiguration), Luke included both days, as well as the six intermediate days, and thus mentioned that the two events were eight days apart. Even today when people rehe**** something they witnessed a few days earlier, they may refer to the events as happening on “different” days. For example, if a store was robbed on a Monday afternoon, and the following Monday morning a witness told friends what he had seen, one could say truthfully that he recalled the events six days or eight days after they occurred. If one were counting only full days, then six would be correct (Tuesday through Sunday). But it also would be correct to speak of the events as occurring eight days earlier—if one were including both full and partial days (Monday through Monday). Whether one uses “six” or “ eight” does not discredit the account of what actually happened. Likewise, the time difference between Matthew, Mark, and Luke in no way represents a legitimate contradiction. Luke simply used the inclusive method of reckoning time (counting the portion of a day at either end of the period), whereas Matthew and Mark counted only complete days (Coffman, 1971, p. 261).

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
 

 

Jesus also told his disciples that he would return before some of them died. He missed that one by a few thousand years.

----------------

Matt 16: 27-28

 

 [27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works. [28] Amen I say to you, there are some of them that stand here, that shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

jimi

 

Jesus is speaking about all of his disciples and disciples to come.

Not necessarily just the ones standing in front of him.

 

Iv

 

 

 

Way to spin!

Originally Posted by buffalo:

Six or Eight Days?

by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

After Jesus prophesied during His earthly ministry that some would live to see the establishment of God’s kingdom, the first two books of the New Testament indicate six days expired before Peter, James, and John were led up on a high mountain to witness the transfiguration of Jesus (Matthew 16:28-17:2; Mark 9:1-2). Luke’s account, on the other hand, says that Jesus’ transfiguration occurred “about eight days after” Jesus prophesied of the approaching kingdom’s establishment (9:27-29). Skeptics charge that this difference in the time elapsed between the two events constitutes an obvious error. They profess that such textual differences should lead the honest person to admit that the Bible contains contradictions, and thus is not the inerrant Word of God.

Admittedly, at first glance it may seem to the casual reader that Luke’s time line contradicts Matthew and Mark’s account of the time that elapsed between Jesus’ prophecy and His transfiguration. However, a closer examination reveals that Luke never intended for his readers to understand that exactly 192 hours (i.e., eight 24-hour days) elapsed from the moment Jesus finished His prophecy to the time He and the others began their ascent to the “ mount of transfiguration.” Luke recorded that it was “about eight days,” not that it was eight days exactly. Although Luke was a physician (cf. Colossians 4:14), he did not use  “scientific precision” in this case. Rather, he merely approximated the time separating the two events.

Furthermore, it seems clear that whereas Matthew and Mark excluded the days of the two terminal events (the prophecy and the transfiguration), Luke included both days, as well as the six intermediate days, and thus mentioned that the two events were eight days apart. Even today when people rehe**** something they witnessed a few days earlier, they may refer to the events as happening on “different” days. For example, if a store was robbed on a Monday afternoon, and the following Monday morning a witness told friends what he had seen, one could say truthfully that he recalled the events six days or eight days after they occurred. If one were counting only full days, then six would be correct (Tuesday through Sunday). But it also would be correct to speak of the events as occurring eight days earlier—if one were including both full and partial days (Monday through Monday). Whether one uses “six” or “ eight” does not discredit the account of what actually happened. Likewise, the time difference between Matthew, Mark, and Luke in no way represents a legitimate contradiction. Luke simply used the inclusive method of reckoning time (counting the portion of a day at either end of the period), whereas Matthew and Mark counted only complete days (Coffman, 1971, p. 261).

This is written by a true spin-master. Way to go!

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
 

 

Jesus also told his disciples that he would return before some of them died. He missed that one by a few thousand years.

----------------

Matt 16: 27-28

 

 [27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works. [28] Amen I say to you,there are some of them that stand here, that shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

jimi

 

Jesus is speaking about all of his disciples and disciples to come.

Not necessarily just the ones standing in front of him.

 

Iv

 

 

 

sorry.. but it says pretty clearly in red there, he's talking to the people in front of him. there's no indication he means any one other than the folks standing right there.

so either that line proved incorrect, or there are a few 2000+ year old jews wandering around today.

either that, or christ's kingdom has already come and gone, and we were to busy trying to kill each other to notice it.

 

also on a side note: the first line, verse 27? doesn't that prove that bill is wrong to insist that the only form of salvation is to be found through grace and faith alone?

"according to his works " is pretty self explainatory.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by buffalo:

Six or Eight Days?

by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

After Jesus prophesied during His earthly ministry that some would live to see the establishment of God’s kingdom, the first two books of the New Testament indicate six days expired before Peter, James, and John were led up on a high mountain to witness the transfiguration of Jesus (Matthew 16:28-17:2; Mark 9:1-2). Luke’s account, on the other hand, says that Jesus’ transfiguration occurred “about eight days after” Jesus prophesied of the approaching kingdom’s establishment (9:27-29). Skeptics charge that this difference in the time elapsed between the two events constitutes an obvious error. They profess that such textual differences should lead the honest person to admit that the Bible contains contradictions, and thus is not the inerrant Word of God.

Admittedly, at first glance it may seem to the casual reader that Luke’s time line contradicts Matthew and Mark’s account of the time that elapsed between Jesus’ prophecy and His transfiguration. However, a closer examination reveals that Luke never intended for his readers to understand that exactly 192 hours (i.e., eight 24-hour days) elapsed from the moment Jesus finished His prophecy to the time He and the others began their ascent to the “ mount of transfiguration.” Luke recorded that it was “about eight days,” not that it was eight days exactly. Although Luke was a physician (cf. Colossians 4:14), he did not use  “scientific precision” in this case. Rather, he merely approximated the time separating the two events.

Furthermore, it seems clear that whereas Matthew and Mark excluded the days of the two terminal events (the prophecy and the transfiguration), Luke included both days, as well as the six intermediate days, and thus mentioned that the two events were eight days apart. Even today when people rehe**** something they witnessed a few days earlier, they may refer to the events as happening on “different” days. For example, if a store was robbed on a Monday afternoon, and the following Monday morning a witness told friends what he had seen, one could say truthfully that he recalled the events six days or eight days after they occurred. If one were counting only full days, then six would be correct (Tuesday through Sunday). But it also would be correct to speak of the events as occurring eight days earlier—if one were including both full and partial days (Monday through Monday). Whether one uses “six” or “ eight” does not discredit the account of what actually happened. Likewise, the time difference between Matthew, Mark, and Luke in no way represents a legitimate contradiction. Luke simply used the inclusive method of reckoning time (counting the portion of a day at either end of the period), whereas Matthew and Mark counted only complete days (Coffman, 1971, p. 261).

This is written by a true spin-master. Way to go!


you spin me right 'round, baby, right 'round, like a record, baby, right 'round 'round 'round.

that one spins so much  i'm still dizzy.

 

what's the line? if you can't wow `em with wisdom, baffle `em with BS?

Baffle on, buffy, baffle on.

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