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Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the Christianity Today article titled "If the Supreme Court Legalizes Same-Sex Marriage, What Next?  How Churches And Pastors Should Respond" (http://www.christianitytoday.c...-marriage-trend.html) -- I read:


"Sometime later, a young woman whom I had not seen for several years came to visit.  She entered nervously, and eventually told me she had 'come out' as a lesbian.  Our conversation continued in a friendly vein, and I asked how her spiritual life was faring.  She began to weep.  It was the first time, she said, that one of her Christian friends had treated her as though she, a practicing lesbian, could continue to have a relationship with God."

 

I agree 100%, -- no, make that 1000% -- that Christians and Christian churches should, and must, welcome all people with open arms and with the love of Christ.  But, let's examine more closely that quote from the Christianity Today article.

Does a "practicing lesbian" have a saving relationship with God?  Can a person who is living an active lifestyle which is an abomination to God -- have a relationship with God?  Isn't that much like telling our spouse, "I will continue to live an active life of adultery; but, I don't want that to affect our marriage relationship."   Does that person really have a true marriage relationship with his spouse -- if he is continuing to live an active lifestyle of adultery?  No, he is married in name only; but, he has no real relationship.

Last week, I was talking with a young man about the very recent death of a long time Christian brother.  I was telling him that because he is a Christian, we will mourn for a time -- but, at the same time, we will celebrate his homegoing to be with the Lord.   And, as I told my young friend, my Christian brother who just died is more alive today than ever during his lifetime.  And, his family, who are also believers, can look forward to a glorious Family Reunion in heaven one day.

However, as I told my young friend, the hardest funeral for a pastor to officiate is that of a non-believer.   For that pastor cannot tell the family that their loved one is in a better place, more alive today that ever before -- for, if the deceased was not a believer, that is not true.

And, to assure a person who is living an active homosexual or lesbian lifestyle -- that their relationship with Christ is secure -- is equally not true.

We have to love that person enough to be honest.  Dr. Dobson calls this "tough love."  We welcome that person with open, loving arms; for, we have to admit that we all are just "forgiven sinners."   But, we cannot falsely assure the person, who is living an active sin lifestyle, that his/her relationship with God is secure.

To do that is to empower and support a lifestyle which God does not approve.  Yes, Jesus went among the sinners -- yes, Jesus befriended, ate with, and spent a lot of time with sinners.  But, Jesus NEVER, in any way, told them, or gave them any indication, that their lifestyle was okay and that it would not affect their relationship with Him.  We have to be just as honest.

Paul tells Timothy, and us, in 2 Timothy 4:3-4 -- that many will seek a false theology which will empower their chosen lifestyle, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."

Then, Paul continues, 2 Timothy 4:5, "But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry." 

 

Our ministry, as Christian believers, is not to empower people in a false, worldly lifestyle -- but, to love them enough to point them toward the only path which will lead to eternal life in Christ.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

 

2 Timothy 4-5 - Oldest Tree

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Hi Puppy,

 

Actually, God cares!  He cares about everyone, believers and non-believers -- even bike riders from Noo Yawk.

 

2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."

 

John 1:10-12, "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.  He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.  But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name."

 

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world (Crusty, me, a bike rider from Noo Yawk, everyone), that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

 

You see, my Friend -- God does care.   However, there are many folks whose ears are so blocked by the world, whose eyes are so blinded by the secular pond in which they swim -- that they cannot see nor hear the love God offers them.   So sad, God says, "I love YOU!" -- and our secular world Friends keep stuffing the world's cotton candy in their ears and  screaming, "I can't hear You!  I can't hear You!"  

 

Yes, truly sad.  For God offers YOU the riches of His kingdom -- and you prefer the garbage dumps of the world.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bible Clarity Or Sin

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Hi Puppy,

 

Thank you for asking.  I am happy to show you, once again, the God who truly cares for all people, even confused bikers from Noo Yawk!

 

2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."

 

John 1:10-12, "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.  He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.  But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name."

 

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world (Crusty, me, a bike rider from Noo Yawk, everyone), that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

 

There you are, my Friend -- from His own book, the Bible, to YOU!

 

Puppy, if you have trouble understanding these Scripture passages -- I would suggest finding a local Christ-centered, Bible-teaching Christian church fellowship (I would suggest Baptist, but you choose your own flavor) and get involved in one of their Bible study groups.   I know these folks will be happy to explain these and other Scripture passages for you.

 

Or, if you are too shy to do that just now, you can join in the Bill & Crusty Bible Study discussions.  Crusty will soon drop out for the posts go beyond his level of comprehension -- but, you and all our other Forum Friends are welcome.   Just a thought!

 

And, once again, thank you for asking your question about God.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bible Inspired By God

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Yer showing me stuff from a book written by ignorant, superstitious sheep-herders, BeeG.

 

That's not 'god.'  That's 'men' writing about a spook they made up to justify slavery, murder, genocide, infanticide, subjugation of women, child abuse, pedophillia, rape and racism among other things.

(Funny how 'god' thought *just like them*, eh?)

 

Oh sure, you can tell me that it's the word of god-but did ya ever notice something about that 'word of god?'

 

Funny how it's always PEOPLE doing the talking.

 

This does not *show* me 'god.'  All this does is tell me what you believe.

I can tell you about the almighty FSM all day long, but it still wouldn't make him exist-'cause he doesn't.

 

Talk is cheap. 

 

*Show me.*

 

 Oh, I see the "Bill and Crusty Power Hour" is going over like a lead balloon.

REVIEW: Lawlz.

Hi Bill,

I just joined today. Thanks for accepting me in TN Valley Forum. I am currently working with Kairos Multimedia founded by late Dr. Emil Jebasingh, cofounder of FMPB and founder of Vishwa Vani, India. I request you to give permission to use one of your Bible verse image: “2Timothy4-5-OldestTree.jpg” from the topic “Does She Really Have a Relationship with God?”  We want to use it a visual background in our “Emil Annan's Testimony and His Farewell Address” video by Kairos Multimedia, Pvt. Ltd., New Delhi - 110019.

In this video, Dr. Emil Jebasingh in his narration mentioned his calling, quoting 2-Timothy-4:5.

P.S. In this article, I appreciate your conviction that a person who broke God's commandments can't have fellowship with God unless he/she truly repents.

Kind regards,
John Cyrus

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Yer showing me stuff from a book written by ignorant, superstitious sheep-herders, BeeG.

 That's not 'god.'  That's 'men' writing about a spook they made up to justify slavery, murder, genocide, infanticide, subjugation of women, child abuse, pedophillia, rape and racism among other things.

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Actually it's the Democratic National Committee that thought up
the above list to control the willing to remain mindless. It works,
and has for years.

Hello,

It is not uncommon to be skeptic about Biblical truth – because one of the reasons is that those who say know the Bible truth are not really live according it. Though it is written by ignorant people as you claim, even your characters are depicted in the following passages of the Bible.

  1. King James Version (KJV) 2 Timothy 3: 1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
  2. Revelation 21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and w****mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Secondly, in order to know if Bible is reliable or myth, I recommend you to click the link below and read the accounts:

How do we know the Bible is true?
Read: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t003.html

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