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I have seen many television commercials asking for the publics help with donations on this oil spill out in the gulf. The United States Government has already expressed that they hold BP accountable for this spill and hold them to paying for the entire clean up. So why are they asking us for money for BP's neglegence? Should we donate money to this effort? Especially to a company that has been making in the upwards of 93 million a day in profits for who knows how long. My opinion is that all the work directed towards this man made distster should be billed directly to BP. Without any doubt. What do you think?
Why be just a Rat.....When you can be a River Rat !!
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
This is a disaster that will have an economic impact far greater than Hurricane Katrina, yet no one seems to be concerned about the lack of response from our government.

I guess it is still Bush's fault.


A couple of things:
The Federal Government has no expertise in drilling. Our oil production is NOT nationalized, and all the knowledge is centered in BP, and Exxon, and maybe a few more that do that stuff.
So, that begs the question, What specific action would you take if you were the president at the time of the spill until now??
BTW Crusty, aren't you one of the forum family members who has previously posted that we need LESS government and that ALL things should be handled more efficiently by private business ?
To answer the question, no. I don't think private donations are in order at this point. However, as things progress, it may be a good idea to have a fund to help the people directly affected, like the fishermen, etc., but I am at a loss to think of how such a fund should be managed; Red Cross - probably not, Salvation Army - possibly, Pat Robertson - hell no!, ---
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Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by CrustyMac:
This is a disaster that will have an economic impact far greater than Hurricane Katrina, yet no one seems to be concerned about the lack of response from our government.

I guess it is still Bush's fault.


A couple of things:
The Federal Government has no expertise in drilling. Our oil production is NOT nationalized, and all the knowledge is centered in BP, and Exxon, and maybe a few more that do that stuff.
So, that begs the question, What specific action would you take if you were the president at the time of the spill until now??
BTW Crusty, aren't you one of the forum family members who has previously posted that we need LESS government and that ALL things should be handled more efficiently by private business ?


Yes, I am a believer in limited government, but I do believe that government has a role.

So you are telling me that criticism of Bush's reaction to Katrina was okay, but Obama gets a pass for doing nothing in this instance? I'm just wondering where the outcry is.

The government can hold BP responsible and force them to live up to what is called their "social contract".

I want to know that BP is doing everything that they can to solve this problem, and that they will be held responsible for the ecological and economic fallout. That is a reasonable role for the government.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seeweed:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CrustyMac:

Yes, I am a believer in limited government, but I do believe that government has a role. Bush was not even aware of the catastrophe in NO until 3 days later . He once said of himself he didn't pay attention to the news, except some sports scores. The Federal Government DOES have equipment and expertise in the type of relief needed in those critical days. It was eventually employed, but way, way to late.

So you are telling me that criticism of Bush's reaction to Katrina was okay, but Obama gets a pass for doing nothing in this instance? I'm just wondering where the outcry is.
Seems you answered the question below, and I agree. Seems to me that is exactly what Obama is doing. Seems I heard he has already sent BP a bill for over $60 million He says there will be lot more to come. I do think he should have dispatched the Core to build those sand barriers quicker.

The government can hold BP responsible and force them to live up to what is called their "social contract".

I want to know that BP is doing everything that they can to solve this problem, and that they will be held responsible for the ecological and economic fallout. That is a reasonable role for the government.


Of course, we as of yet don't know the outcome, and I hope you reserve some of your judgement until the fat lady has sung.. I suspect that over the coming months, Obama will see to it that BP covers most if not all of the cost. The thing you have to consider right now is what would happen if BP were to go under financially. Hell, everybody would be screwed. We gotta consider tightening the screws one twist at a time. Most important thing right now is to stop the damm gusher.
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Originally posted by seeweed:

[color:RED]Bush was not even aware of the catastrophe in NO until 3 days later .


We aren't in disagreement generally, but your statement here is from a different universe. I distinctly remember the mayor of NO on TV prior to Katrina hitting the coast saying that he had been on the phone with the President, and that the White House had painted a very scary picture of what might be coming.

Obama is getting a pass for now. When the economic tally of this disaster is taken, I hope Obama's feet are held to the fire.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by seeweed:

[color:RED]Bush was not even aware of the catastrophe in NO until 3 days later .


We aren't in disagreement generally, but your statement here is from a different universe. I distinctly remember the mayor of NO on TV prior to Katrina hitting the coast saying that he had been on the phone with the President, and that the White House had painted a very scary picture of what might be coming.

Obama is getting a pass for now. When the economic tally of this disaster is taken, I hope Obama's feet are held to the fire.


Not to belabor the point, but I believe that Bush was asked ahead of time for a declaration ahead of time, and to his great credit , he declared. This opens the door for FEMA help.
He then went on his planned trip to promote the destruction (ok, my opinion Big Grin ) of Social Security. The storm hit. Bush was unaware of the aftermath . He stopped and had a cake cutting ceremony in Ar with McCain, and then on to Cal promoting the privatization of SS, still unaware of the flooding of NO.(remember, the hurricane did very little damage to NO).
It was reported that 3 or 4 of his staff, actually recorded the news (probably from MSM) and asked him to watch. Apparently that was the first he had heard of it, and then went on to become involved.
It just seems to show to me that he was not very intellectually curious about much of anything.

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