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Dr. Krauthammer is an M.D. and a lawyer and is paralyzed from the neck down. A friend went to hear Charles Krauthammer. He listened with 25 others in a closed room. What he says here, is NOT 2nd-hand but 1st. The ramifications are staggering for us, our children and their children.

Last Monday was a profound evening, Dr. Charles Krauthammer spoke to the Center for the American Experiment. He is a brilliant intellectual, seasoned & articulate. He is forthright and careful in his analysis, and never resorts to emotions or personal insults. He is NOT a fear monger nor an extremist in his comments and views . He is a fiscal conservative, and has received a Pulitzer Prize for writing. He is a frequent contributor to Fox News and writes weekly for the Washington Post.

The entire room was held spellbound during his talk. I have summarized his comments, as we are living in uncharted waters economically and internationally. Even 2 Dems at my table agreed with everything he said! If you feel like forwarding this to those who are open minded and have not drunk the Kool-Aid, feel free.

Summary of his comments:

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask.The taking down of the Clinton dynasty was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton . He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including dismantling capitalism. He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along..
He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment to the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada .

4. His three main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, and NATIONAL HEALTHCARE by the Federal government. He doesn't care about the auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap and trade will add costs to everything and stifle growth. Paying for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is his healthcare program, because if you make it FREE and add 46,000,000 people to a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go through the roof. The only way to control costs is with massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada . God forbid!

5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial, banking and other industries. This obviously can't work in the long run. Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does, not what he says.

6. Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their agendas. He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America , as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors. This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!

7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is reelected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Dr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.

8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. Republicans are pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state's rights.

9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don't have. This could lead to hyperinflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity. The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bailouts didn't work, nor will the stimulus package.These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama's allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

10. The election was over in mid-September when Lehman brothers failed, fear and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally. Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.

11. In 2012, if the unemployment rate is over 10%, Republicans will be swept back into power. If it's under 8%, the Dems continue to roll.. If it's between 8-10%, it will be a dogfight. It will all be about the economy. I hope this gets you really thinking about what's
happening in Washington and Congress. There is a left-wing revolution going on, according to Krauthammer, and he encourages us to keep the faith and join the loyal resistance. The work will be hard, but we're right on most issues and can reclaim our country, before it's far too late.

All our futures and children's futures depend on our good understanding of what is really going on in DC, and our action pursuant to that understanding!! It really IS up to each of us to take individual action!! Start with educating your friends and neighbors!!!
"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." ~Samuel Adams, 1776.
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Your pronouncement of the death sentence is speculative and premature, and there is no way it can be stated in the past tense, as you have done.

As to deaths, over 5,000 young Americans have DIED in two wars begun in the Bush maladministration. Even granting the validity of the Afghan war in the post 9/11 initiatives to GET BIN LADEN and purge Al Qaeda, there is absolutely no justification for the buccaneering misadventure in Iraq, the more than 4000 American lives lost there, and the chaos and displacement visited on the Iraqi people!

Kruathammer is a classic neocon, one-note Johnny!
The right-wing fringe were attacking Obama well before his landslide election into the White House. They threw everything they had and everything they could think of. So much so that they are essentially repeating themselves over and over.
All their ranting and all their lies only amount to one thing...hateful, racist resentment. They had nothing before the election and they have nothing now but sour grapes rivaled only by their eternal hatred.
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Your pronouncement of the death sentence is speculative and premature, and there is no way it can be stated in the past tense, as you have done.
The death of a giant sometimes comes by 1000 blows. Obama's election is one of the serious blows. America has been suffering blows by the progressive movement for about a century now, since probably the Wilson adminstration and especially Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Both Repubs and Dems make up the progressive movement.

Ahh, but don't be distracted by my snappy tag line. The topic of this thread is about Dr. Krauthammer's keen observation as expressed in his talk to the Center for the American Experiment summarized above.



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As to deaths, over 5,000 young Americans have DIED in two wars begun in the Bush maladministration. Even granting the validity of the Afghan war in the post 9/11 initiatives to GET BIN LADEN and purge Al Qaeda, there is absolutely no justification for the buccaneering misadventure in Iraq, the more than 4000 American lives lost there, and the chaos and displacement visited on the Iraqi people!


Your anger at Bush is probably misplaced somewhat. Clinton committed us to the destruction of Saddam's regime, in 1998 with the Iraq Liberation Act which passed unanimously in both houses. When Clinton committed our nation to use of military force to destroy Saddam's regime, top Democrats such as Tom Daschle explained that diplomacy had come to an end, that it was a failure, that there was no other option remaining but use of force. Clinton failed miserably. Bush got the job done, fulfilling the course that the Democrats had set.

If it wasn't Bush, it would have been Gore who invaded Iraq. Decisions on war are no longer based on Executive privelege. They are based on the desires of the Executive's masters.

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"We have used force when necessary, and that has been frequently. And we will not let up in our efforts to free Iraq from Saddam's rule. Should he think of challenging us, I would strongly advise against it. As a senator, I voted for the use of force, as vice president I supported the use of force. If entrusted with the presidency, my resolve will never waiver. Never waiver."
Remarks by Vice President Al Gore to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee Conference at the Washington Hilton Hotel, Washington, D.C., May 23, 2000.


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Kruathammer is a classic neocon, one-note Johnny!


If you have something to prove to me I'd like you to take one of Kruathammer's 11 points above and tell me specifically why you take exception to it. Until you do that you are simply a modern day court jester without a meaningful spark of insight to share in this open forum.
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Bush isn't president. Is there anything stopping Obama from pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan tomorrow?

How is Obama creating jobs? With taxes? How is he securing America? By budding up with China? By giving terrorists rights they don't have in American courts? By holding Gitmo detainees indefinably? I guess under a Obama administration the same thing Bush did is acceptable.

The economy will never recover under Obama. He is more concerned about social justice that prosperity. He won't grown the pie - he will cut the slices smaller and smaller.

In under a year a third of the senate will be up for reelection. 100% of the House will be up for reelection. We will see what America thinks of Obama then.
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Originally posted by Blaknwite:
The right-wing fringe were attacking Obama well before his landslide election into the White House. They threw everything they had and everything they could think of. So much so that they are essentially repeating themselves over and over.
All their ranting and all their lies only amount to one thing...hateful, racist resentment. They had nothing before the election and they have nothing now but sour grapes rivaled only by their eternal hatred.


Ahhhh, but there is one important thing progressives lact and that is, principle!

Obama has promised you that 4x4=13 and you believe him.

Conservatives have memorized the principles of govt which our founding fathers have institutionalized in the constitution so we know intuitively that Obama is selling us poison.
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
Bush isn't president. Is there anything stopping Obama from pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan tomorrow?

How is Obama creating jobs? With taxes? How is he securing America? By budding up with China? By giving terrorists rights they don't have in American courts? By holding Gitmo detainees indefinably? I guess under a Obama administration the same thing Bush did is acceptable.

The economy will never recover under Obama. He is more concerned about social justice that prosperity. He won't grown the pie - he will cut the slices smaller and smaller.

In under a year a third of the senate will be up for reelection. 100% of the House will be up for reelection. We will see what America thinks of Obama then.


All well said!

I'd also like to add that Obama even expanded the fed. wire tap program to include all Americans in the USA. Under Bushes watch, what the Left called "illegal wire taps" were in reality only monitored communications from outside the US by people on a limited list of about 1000 known or suspected terrorists.

Now that Obama has expanded the program to domestic spying on all Americans, thus making it truly illegal, not a single left winger has made a peep about their dear leader.

Under Obama, the national no-fly list has ballooned exponentially into several million Americans. Does anyone think for a moment that there are several million American terrorists in the USA? Perhaps bluedog does.
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Originally posted by beternU:
Your pronouncement of the death sentence is speculative and premature, and there is no way it can be stated in the past tense, as you have done.

As to deaths, over 5,000 young Americans have DIED in two wars begun in the Bush maladministration. Even granting the validity of the Afghan war in the post 9/11 initiatives to GET BIN LADEN and purge Al Qaeda, there is absolutely no justification for the buccaneering misadventure in Iraq, the more than 4000 American lives lost there, and the chaos and displacement visited on the Iraqi people!


How many have died since Obama took office?
The instant he was sworn in and did not order all troops home, it then became his war. No more blaming Bush after that. Obama promised he would bring them home in 100 days, now he's going to send another 30 something thousand to war, Obama's war!!!!!
Bush set the timeline for complete Iraq withdrawl and Obama is following that timeline Bush established.

Don't forget Obama expanded the Afghan war into Pakistan. His first bombing raid of that country killed many civilians. Yup, sure did earn that peace prize.

We'd be better off if he recieved a Nobel Piece of Pieeeeeeeeeee, instead!
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There has already been a change of sorts.

Did you notice that after your initial post, which contained a narrative and 11 points, all on Obama and what he is doing, how he is attempting to achieve his goals, and the consequences to his actions, there was absolutely no rebuttal on the points or a defense of this administrations agenda.

What you got was basically, the usual, "It's Bushes fault" or "Bush did it" along with a few insults. It has become par for the course.

There were many here during the election and up until about Feb. of this year that would defend every utterance by the Obamessiah. Not much defense anymore, just insults and absurdities.
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Originally posted by gracies old man:
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There has already been a change of sorts.

Did you notice that after your initial post, which contained a narrative and 11 points, all on Obama and what he is doing, how he is attempting to achieve his goals, and the consequences to his actions, there was absolutely no rebuttal on the points or a defense of this administrations agenda.

What you got was basically, the usual, "It's Bushes fault" or "Bush did it" along with a few insults. It has become par for the course.

There were many here during the election and up until about Feb. of this year that would defend every utterance by the Obamessiah. Not much defense anymore, just insults and absurdities.


Wuhh, are you refering to nobluedog's enlightened counterpoint to the 11 points?:

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The right-wing fringe were attacking Obama well before his landslide election into the White House. They threw everything they had and everything they could think of. So much so that they are essentially repeating themselves over and over.
All their ranting and all their lies only amount to one thing...hateful, racist resentment. They had nothing before the election and they have nothing now but sour grapes rivaled only by their eternal hatred.



Libs, being the racists they actually are,(those who smelt it delt it) delight that Obama happens to be of color, not because of what they call some historic milestone but because they can use his skin tone to unfairly discredit his opponents under the false libel of being racists. Never once will they take into account that all opposition has honestly been centered around his political ideology as demonstrated in the opening post above.

It's a phenomena of the Left played out identically in every public forum in the US. Insults and ridicule is their bread and butter. I swear it's a mental disorder. It may not be an illness but certainly it's a deficiency, a lack of reasoning cognisance. When challenged on basic principles they go through the talking point set of slogans which they seem to rely on out of faith alone to the ideology they embrace. When those slogans are used up they hurl the insults. That's called the "Liberal Meltdown".

I'm telling you, it's played out identically in every forum. It's clearly identifiable. Every forum has their own version of nobluedog.
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Originally posted by beternU:
Your pronouncement of the death sentence is speculative and premature, and there is no way it can be stated in the past tense, as you have done.

As to deaths, over 5,000 young Americans have DIED in two wars begun in the Bush maladministration. Even granting the validity of the Afghan war in the post 9/11 initiatives to GET BIN LADEN and purge Al Qaeda, there is absolutely no justification for the buccaneering misadventure in Iraq, the more than 4000 American lives lost there, and the chaos and displacement visited on the Iraqi people!

Kruathammer is a classic neocon, one-note Johnny!


Betern nuttin,

The campaign in Afghanistan is but a continuation of a war begin against the US, well before Bush took office. Where is your Pulitzer prize?
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Originally posted by Blaknwite:
The right-wing fringe were attacking Obama well before his landslide election into the White House. They threw everything they had and everything they could think of. So much so that they are essentially repeating themselves over and over.
All their ranting and all their lies only amount to one thing...hateful, racist resentment. They had nothing before the election and they have nothing now but sour grapes rivaled only by their eternal hatred.


Five percent is not a landslide. As usual, BNW gets his facts wrong. Please check before posting and take your hatred elsewhere.
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Originally posted by interventor12:
Five percent is not a landslide. As usual, BNW gets his facts wrong. Please check before posting and take your hatred elsewhere.


He thinks it was a landslide because that is exactly what the media was uniformly declaring in the months and weeks leading up to the election. It's just something that stuck with bnw over the years. To the progressives, perception management is everything.

Personally I was surprised Mccain did so well. I started to believe the lies the media were spreading about what turned out to be a phantom landslide.
There you go reading your teabags again.
No doubt you put a lot of effort into that line of lunatic garbage. Those particular teabags you're reading must be de-caf. Funny how you people blindly supported eight full years worth of everything you've been jabbering about for the past 10 months. Now you feel you are being threatened. Now you want to blame someone else for what you and your people did to this Nation.
Well boo fu**in' hoo! Keep on crying teabagger. The majority of Americans have spoken and you are stuck with President Obama for at least three more years, like it or not.

By the way. Only those of you who follow the teachings of faux newz give a damm who "dr kruthammer" is or what he or she has to say. Americans do not. But by all means, please continue squeeling like cornered pigs. That makes me very happy. In fact; I love it! Ha!
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Originally posted by gracies old man:
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There has already been a change of sorts.

Did you notice that after your initial post, which contained a narrative and 11 points, all on Obama and what he is doing, how he is attempting to achieve his goals, and the consequences to his actions, there was absolutely no rebuttal on the points or a defense of this administrations agenda.

What you got was basically, the usual, "It's Bushes fault" or "Bush did it" along with a few insults. It has become par for the course.

There were many here during the election and up until about Feb. of this year that would defend every utterance by the Obamessiah. Not much defense anymore, just insults and absurdities.


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There you go reading your teabags again.
No doubt you put a lot of effort into that line of lunatic garbage. Those particular teabags you're reading must be de-caf. Funny how you people blindly supported eight full years worth of everything you've been jabbering about for the past 10 months. Now you feel you are being threatened. Now you want to blame someone else for what you and your people did to this Nation.
Well boo fu**in' hoo! Keep on crying teabagger. The majority of Americans have spoken and you are stuck with President Obama for at least three more years, like it or not.

By the way. Only those of you who follow the teachings of faux newz give a damm who "dr kruthammer" is or what he or she has to say. Americans do not. But by all means, please continue squeeling like cornered pigs. That makes me very happy. In fact; I love it! Ha!


I suppose we can rest our case...
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Originally posted by reservation:
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Your pronouncement of the death sentence is speculative and premature, and there is no way it can be stated in the past tense, as you have done.
The death of a giant sometimes comes by 1000 blows. Obama's election is one of the serious blows. America has been suffering blows by the progressive movement for about a century now, since probably the Wilson adminstration and especially Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Both Repubs and Dems make up the progressive movement.

Ahh, but don't be distracted by my snappy tag line. The topic of this thread is about Dr. Krauthammer's keen observation as expressed in his talk to the Center for the American Experiment summarized above.



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As to deaths, over 5,000 young Americans have DIED in two wars begun in the Bush maladministration. Even granting the validity of the Afghan war in the post 9/11 initiatives to GET BIN LADEN and purge Al Qaeda, there is absolutely no justification for the buccaneering misadventure in Iraq, the more than 4000 American lives lost there, and the chaos and displacement visited on the Iraqi people!


Your anger at Bush is probably misplaced somewhat. Clinton committed us to the destruction of Saddam's regime, in 1998 with the Iraq Liberation Act which passed unanimously in both houses. When Clinton committed our nation to use of military force to destroy Saddam's regime, top Democrats such as Tom Daschle explained that diplomacy had come to an end, that it was a failure, that there was no other option remaining but use of force. Clinton failed miserably. Bush got the job done, fulfilling the course that the Democrats had set.

If it wasn't Bush, it would have been Gore who invaded Iraq. Decisions on war are no longer based on Executive privelege. They are based on the desires of the Executive's masters.

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"We have used force when necessary, and that has been frequently. And we will not let up in our efforts to free Iraq from Saddam's rule. Should he think of challenging us, I would strongly advise against it. As a senator, I voted for the use of force, as vice president I supported the use of force. If entrusted with the presidency, my resolve will never waiver. Never waiver."
Remarks by Vice President Al Gore to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee Conference at the Washington Hilton Hotel, Washington, D.C., May 23, 2000.


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Kruathammer is a classic neocon, one-note Johnny!


If you have something to prove to me I'd like you to take one of Kruathammer's 11 points above and tell me specifically why you take exception to it. Until you do that you are simply a modern day court jester without a meaningful spark of insight to share in this open forum.


Krauthammers' "points" are simply his neocon predictions and unsupported opinions. For example:

"Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their agendas."

"Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including dismantling capitalism. He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along."

"Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left."

I, unlike Krauthammer, am not so psychically gifted (or--more likely--so presumptious) as to purport to be able to probe the very mind of the President of the United States and to then confidently describe his "true" goals and ambitions. Nor do I have the gift of prophecy that Krauthammer seems to claim. Perhaps in Krauthammer Jean Dixon and Peter Hyrkos have a worthy successor.
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Originally posted by Blaknwite:
There you go reading your teabags again.
No doubt you put a lot of effort into that line of lunatic garbage. Those particular teabags you're reading must be de-caf. Funny how you people blindly supported eight full years worth of everything you've been jabbering about for the past 10 months. Now you feel you are being threatened. Now you want to blame someone else for what you and your people did to this Nation.
Well boo fu**in' hoo! Keep on crying teabagger. The majority of Americans have spoken and you are stuck with President Obama for at least three more years, like it or not.

By the way. Only those of you who follow the teachings of faux newz give a damm who "dr kruthammer" is or what he or she has to say. Americans do not. But by all means, please continue squeeling like cornered pigs. That makes me very happy. In fact; I love it! Ha!


Poor BNW, the rants of an immature soul are so embarassing to behold. As to faux referring to FNC, when you can show something on the order of Jason Blair's faked news and the several other reporters for the NYT and the Washington Post, perhaps, you might have some meaning. Until then, NO!
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Krauthammers' "points" are simply his neocon predictions and unsupported opinions. For example:

"Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their agendas."

"Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including dismantling capitalism. He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along."

"Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left."

I, unlike Krauthammer, am not so psychically gifted (or--more likely--so presumptious) as to purport to be able to probe the very mind of the President of the United States and to then confidently describe his "true" goals and ambitions. Nor do I have the gift of prophecy that Krauthammer seems to claim. Perhaps in Krauthammer Jean Dixon and Peter Hyrkos have a worthy successor.

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Exactly. Opinions, remarks or "predictions" from this neo-con are no different and carry no more merit than any of the other like minded Obama haters. They simply dig up a new face and have it vomit the same hatred and lies. They truly believe that if they repeat a lie over and over and over and over and over; that it will magically become the truth.
That is their way and that is their world. Their frustration is that they can not convince anyone but each other and simply can not and will not understand why.
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I, unlike Krauthammer, am not so psychically gifted (or--more likely--so presumptious) as to purport to be able to probe the very mind of the President of the United States and to then confidently describe his "true" goals and ambitions. Nor do I have the gift of prophecy that Krauthammer seems to claim.


>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<<

What, YOUR psychic ability and presumptiousness ONLY kicks in when it comes to Palin?
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Originally posted by gracies old man:
quote from BeternU --
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I, unlike Krauthammer, am not so psychically gifted (or--more likely--so presumptious) as to purport to be able to probe the very mind of the President of the United States and to then confidently describe his "true" goals and ambitions. Nor do I have the gift of prophecy that Krauthammer seems to claim.


>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<<

What, YOUR psychic ability and presumptiousness ONLY kicks in when it comes to Palin?


Very wide of the mark, GOM. I never attributed goals or ambitions to Palin. My comments concerning her have been directed to her competence--or demonstrated lack of same--which many others have addressed. I continue to say that she is far from ready for the presidency or for that matter the vice presidency. Plenty of conservatives share my opinion, as you should know if you have followed the right-wing punditocracy. Many of the McCain campaign staff are still wondering HOW such a dingbat got on the ticket. I did not invent some notion of Palin's incompetence; I and others just report the obvious.

By the way, did she ever come up with the name of even one magazine she reads? Did she ever remember even one Supreme Court opinion--like, say, the EXXON Valdez case?? Katie Couric gave her plenty of opportunity to answer on those points. Having turned up empty, Palin now asserts that such deep and probing questions constitute badgering. That bad ole Katie Couric and her dreadful magazine question, why that is almost as bad as that evil ole Charlie Gibson peering over his spectacles!!
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Charles is hardly an 'Obama Hater', but I know that none of the libs have even heard of him before.[QUOTE]

You know wrong, then. I have known of and heard Kraurhammer for a long time. He is a favorite pundit on right wing media and a columnist for the Washington Post. Your unsupportable generalization about "libs" is pure bunk.
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Originally posted by beternU:
Krauthammers' "points" are simply his neocon predictions and unsupported opinions. For example:


You seem to expect some scientific objectivism in the politics section of this forum. Politics is by nature opinion so what are you really expecting in this venue? It is presumed we talk about our opinions on politics. In Krauthammers' case his opinions are in fact very supportable, if you have the background:

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"Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including dismantling capitalism. Even liberal Juan Williams of NPR has stated the Obama is the new founding father of the America he has promised to remake. Yes, Obama has promised numerous times to remake America. What do you think he was refering to? His science advisor, Van Jones is on record numerous time taunting us how they plan on dismantling capitalism brick by brick. They are going to use the euphemism of Green Jobs Programs as a vehicle to transision to a communist economy. He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along."Yes, that is why he uses euphemisms like, "redistributive change" to promise the commie value of wealth redistribution or "public option" to promise single payer health care and "diversity in media" to reestablish the fairness doctrine and eliminate right wing talk radio, the only media the progressives don't dominate.

Perhaps you don't know that Obama taught the Saul Alinsky method of political activism during his early years in Chicago, that says it all about his ruthfullness. I suggest you study who Alinsky was and the system of street activism he developed because that is important knowledge if you want to understand the tie to progressivism/socialism/communism. He challanged the signature petitions of all his competitors' to hang up their campaigns in court while his election to state senate took place. All the petitions were later judged valid but the election was over by then, Obama ran unchallenged because of it. That is a brutal tactic.


"Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left."Obama says to judge his administration by the people with whom he surrounds himself. Here are the names of just a few hard leftists or self avowed commies. Cass Sunstein, Anita Dunn, Van Jones, Mark Lloyd. There are many, many more. Just google any of these names and study up on the commies Obama has surrounded himself with.


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I, unlike Krauthammer, am not so psychically gifted (or--more likely--so presumptious) as to purport to be able to probe the very mind of the President of the United States and to then confidently describe his "true" goals and ambitions. Nor do I have the gift of prophecy that Krauthammer seems to claim. Perhaps in Krauthammer Jean Dixon and Peter Hyrkos have a worthy successor.


There is a thing called principles. You gain principles by studying and memorizing facts. You use principles to discern between poison and medicine. People with principles can often accurately judge the worth and truthfullness of what a politician is promising. Would you say that you accurately judged in the year 2000 how poorly Bush would govern? You used discernment.

Now I understand you don't like Krauthammer. I presume you don't like any conservative commentator probably for no other reason than their political positions. That is your weakness. There are some people on the right or left that we all should listen to when they say something. Phil Hartman and James Carvel are two examples of leftists we should all listen to because they are bright people and good spokespersons for the progressives even though I don't agree with them often. Krauthammer and Dick Morris are good spokespersons for the conservatives whether or not anyone agrees with them. But by listening to them, at least you can better understand the two philosophies.
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Originally posted by reservation:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Krauthammers' "points" are simply his neocon predictions and unsupported opinions. For example:


You seem to expect some scientific objectivism in the politics section of this forum. Politics is by nature opinion so what are you really expecting in this venue? It is presumed we talk about our opinions on politics. In Krauthammers' case his opinions are in fact very supportable, if you have the background:

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"Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including dismantling capitalism. Even liberal Juan Williams of NPR has stated the Obama is the new founding father of the America he has promised to remake. Yes, Obama has promised numerous times to remake America. What do you think he was refering to? His science advisor, Van Jones is on record numerous time taunting us how they plan on dismantling capitalism brick by brick. They are going to use the euphemism of Green Jobs Programs as a vehicle to transision to a communist economy. He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along."Yes, that is why he uses euphemisms like, "redistributive change" to promise the commie value of wealth redistribution or "public option" to promise single payer health care and "diversity in media" to reestablish the fairness doctrine and eliminate right wing talk radio, the only media the progressives don't dominate.

Perhaps you don't know that Obama taught the Saul Alinsky method of political activism during his early years in Chicago, that says it all about his ruthfullness. I suggest you study who Alinsky was and the system of street activism he developed because that is important knowledge if you want to understand the tie to progressivism/socialism/communism. He challanged the signature petitions of all his competitors' to hang up their campaigns in court while his election to state senate took place. All the petitions were later judged valid but the election was over by then, Obama ran unchallenged because of it. That is a brutal tactic.


"Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left."Obama says to judge his administration by the people with whom he surrounds himself. Here are the names of just a few hard leftists or self avowed commies. Cass Sunstein, Anita Dunn, Van Jones, Mark Lloyd. There are many, many more. Just google any of these names and study up on the commies Obama has surrounded himself with.


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I, unlike Krauthammer, am not so psychically gifted (or--more likely--so presumptious) as to purport to be able to probe the very mind of the President of the United States and to then confidently describe his "true" goals and ambitions. Nor do I have the gift of prophecy that Krauthammer seems to claim. Perhaps in Krauthammer Jean Dixon and Peter Hyrkos have a worthy successor.


There is a thing called principles. You gain principles by studying and memorizing facts. You use principles to discern between poison and medicine. People with principles can often accurately judge the worth and truthfullness of what a politician is promising. Would you say that you accurately judged in the year 2000 how poorly Bush would govern? You used discernment.

Now I understand you don't like Krauthammer. I presume you don't like any conservative commentator probably for no other reason than their political positions. That is your weakness. There are some people on the right or left that we all should listen to when they say something. Phil Hartman and James Carvel are two examples of leftists we should all listen to because they are bright people and good spokespersons for the progressives even though I don't agree with them often. Krauthammer and Dick Morris are good spokespersons for the conservatives whether or not anyone agrees with them. But by listening to them, at least you can better understand the two philosophies.


Dick Morris???!!! HORRORS!!

If ever there was a self-aggrandizing little opportunist weasel on the pundit scene, it is THAT varmint!

No credibility whatsoever!

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