If you don't want to participate in a conversation or spirited exchange with an atheist, cool. But why are so many of you trying to stop us from speaking our minds? If you (the religious) are right, in order to prove us wrong you're going to have to engage in a dialogue. We atheists are VERY comfortable with that prospect. I don't get that same impression from theists. In the end, it's always been theists who must walk away from the conversation. I wonder why?

 

Simple. The conversation goes like this:

 

Christian-The Bible says........

 

Atheist-The bible is a fairy tale and you are an idiot for believing in sky fairies and pixie dust......

 

Christian-The Bile is the inspired word of God......

 

Atheist- god doesn't exist, the bible is a myth, it is recycled garbage......

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Christian-I believe that God has palns for me.......

 

Atheist--You are delusional. There are drugs for that...............

 

Christian--Hell is a place for sinners and non-believers........

 

Atheist-See, now you are attacking me and calling me a bad person. Some Christian you are.......

 

Got it?  That is a spirited exchange?

Originally Posted by Magpie:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:
I don't mind breaking it to you...You are full of $h*t. 

You obviously have some "issues" with Tick.

Did he expose your crap? Call you out? Maybe just put you in your place?

What "alter" were you using when he canned your ass?

I liked Tick & miss him......what happened to him?

Semi!! You didn’t know?? Tick is a love slave over on a forum hosted by Madam Liv Tyler.

The last time I looked he was cuffed to the bed posts wearing nothing but his leathers.

Cage and Ubu were jockeying for position. Go over there and see for yourself if you don’t believe me.

The girls over there are giggling and shrieking as they run in and out from under a water sprinkler. They tease not to really get wet at first but ole tick is just waiting for someone to venture too close.

Go check-um out if you don’t believe me.

LMM is the towel girl.

You are one sick man. 

I was typing when you posted jenn.

 

On one thread bill tried to insinuate that I was g a y.I don't think the religion forum actually needs christians to post to exist, because the threads always lead to different discussions anyway.  I lived my life just fine before I started posting here and could do the same if it disappeared tomorrow. It's the frustrated preacher wannabes, trolls, and ones that only want to crow about how good they are that would go nuts. Look at the comment you chose: 

 

 

Comments like:  I believed in a god once.  Then I turned 12. are the cause.

 

 What about the comments to atheists? Are you saying they deserve all they get? That mindset is exactly what keeps atheists posting on this forum.

 

I chose that comment because it was recent, on this thread ,and has been used in various ways by many atheists. Atheist view religion as a 'phase' that intelligent people grow out of. Obviously, that is insulting to religious folks. Atheist view the Bible as fiction. Religious do not. Atheists pick out the darker side to the Bible, religious do not. Each assume they are correct and the other is an idiot.

 

Not much room for discussion.

 

As i posted in my mock conversation above, pretty much a dead end.

 

BTW, Bill and I have never agreed on anything. He told me I was going to Hell too.

Originally Posted by Magpie:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:
I don't mind breaking it to you...You are full of $h*t. 

You obviously have some "issues" with Tick.

Did he expose your crap? Call you out? Maybe just put you in your place?

What "alter" were you using when he canned your ass?

I liked Tick & miss him......what happened to him?

Semi!! You didn’t know?? Tick is a love slave over on a forum hosted by Madam Liv Tyler.

The last time I looked he was cuffed to the bed posts wearing nothing but his leathers.

Cage and Ubu were jockeying for position. Go over there and see for yourself if you don’t believe me.

The girls over there are giggling and shrieking as they run in and out from under a water sprinkler. They tease not to really get wet at first but ole tick is just waiting for someone to venture too close.

Go check-um out if you don’t believe me.

LMM is the towel girl.

 

I'm sure "Tick" would agree to the dedication of this song...to YOU...from, "The Love Slave Forum"...Therefore! Here's YOUR song..."Magpie" or whatever you're trying to get "in the door" with.

Last edited by ReleaseTheElephant
Originally Posted by Jennifer:

I have about given up as well, it's very hard to have a discussion when you are assumed to be ignorant and delusional to start with

 

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It's a double edged sword. Atheists are called all that and worse. I've been given credit for calling christians ignorant, when in fact I said intelligence had nothing to do with believing because I have seen very intelligent people, know them in fact, that believe. But as the discussion progressed what I said actually said got lost or twisted. So I finally got to the point that I don't care what they think because they're going to have it their way no matter what. Intelligence doesn't stop some from making very stupid comments or arguments. Intelligence doesn't stop some from making insulting posts to others, or joining in when others do. But those same ones whine the loudest when they think they've been insulted, and they keep running back to how smart they are as if in some way that makes them much smarter than atheists.

 

 They're the ones that "giggle" when one of the trolls posts so called pictures of posters but would crap blood and run to report them if someone did it to them. They're the ones that think for some reason they are owed an apology but they're free to post whatever they want as long as they pretend it's "caring" or just "kidding" and they don't like being called on it. I've read insinuations and out and out lies posted in here about me and others by the same people that call any disagreement with them an attack. On one thread bill tried to insinuate that I was g a y. I don't think the religion forum actually needs christians to post to exist, because the threads always lead to different discussions anyway.  I lived my life just fine before I started posting here and could do the same if it disappeared tomorrow. It's the frustrated preacher wannabes, trolls, and ones that only want to crow about how good they are that would go nuts. Look at the comment you chose: 

 

 

Comments like:  I believed in a god once.  Then I turned 12. are the cause.

 

 What about the comments to atheists? Are you saying they deserve all they get? That mindset is exactly what keeps atheists posting on this forum.

 

 

Eastwick called...your new purchases are ready to be picked up...


Originally Posted by b50m:

 

 it's very hard to have a discussion when you are assumed to be ignorant and delusional to start with.

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True words.  That must suck!  

 

 

I wonder what would happen if all the religious folks stopped posting? 

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Declare victory.

 

Religion will exist without atheism but atheism is impotent without religion. We would just fade away.

 

So victory would be to stop all postings in a religious forum?  A hallow victory,  for who would see it if nobody posts anymore?

 

If i was a 'reasoning' person, it would seem that to chase away the very people you wish to 'educate' seems counter productive to your cause.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by b50m:

 

 it's very hard to have a discussion when you are assumed to be ignorant and delusional to start with.

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True words.  That must suck!  

 

 

I wonder what would happen if all the religious folks stopped posting? 

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Declare victory.

 

Religion will exist without atheism but atheism is impotent without religion. We would just fade away.

 

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The true objective of our atheists IS to stop the religious from posting.

Thats why this forum hasn't been religious, but combative from the start of it.

 

Atheists don't discuss religion, they just try to stop the discussions of it.

This doesn't include one hundred percent of the atheists here.

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How To Be Funny And Just Not Stupid

 

Here you go cage. Chithead sent you this, it's an old edition and he said it didn't help him, but maybe you could find something in there he missed that you could use.  Let him know if you do.

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

The true objective of our atheists IS to stop the religious from posting.

Thats why this forum hasn't been religious, but combative from the start of it.

 

Atheists don't discuss religion, they just try to stop the discussions of it.

This doesn't include one hundred percent of the atheists here.

 

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I disagree, in an adult agree to disagree manner. 

Why would the Atheist here want to stop the religious from posting? Bill Gray is the most combative person on this forum. He doesn't teach, he doesn't try to reach anyone with love/compassion. With him, it's all about condemnation. He's the only one on here that has run people off & have even gotten some banned. The only person I haven't seen him attack is Fireman. That's why some people here believe they're one & the same.

 

I haven't seen any Atheist try to stop the discussion of religion. They get upset because they are called names or told they're stupid for not believing in God. The religious get upset for the same reason because they are called names or told they're stupid for believing in God. It's a vicious cycle.

It's not necessarily what is said, as much as how it's said.

 

I've learned a lot on this religion forum, from both the religious & the Atheist. Some good, some not so good. I believe the majority of the people here is good, decent human beings, no matter what they believe. As I've said before, I been treated better here by the Atheist than some of the Christians. Notice I said some Christians, not all. Some of you have made me laugh, some have made me sad & cry but I have learned something. And I hope to continue learning.

 

Originally Posted by Magpie:
Semi!! You didn’t know?? Tick is a love slave over on a forum hosted by Madam Liv Tyler.The last time I looked he was cuffed to the bed posts wearing nothing but his leathers.

I don't know why a COC or any Christian would be going to a forum where people are chained to a bed. Wouldn't that be considered a no no in the Bible?

 

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by Magpie:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:
I don't mind breaking it to you...You are full of $h*t. 

You obviously have some "issues" with Tick.

Did he expose your crap? Call you out? Maybe just put you in your place?

What "alter" were you using when he canned your ass?

I liked Tick & miss him......what happened to him?

Semi!! You didn’t know?? Tick is a love slave over on a forum hosted by Madam Liv Tyler.

The last time I looked he was cuffed to the bed posts wearing nothing but his leathers.

Cage and Ubu were jockeying for position. Go over there and see for yourself if you don’t believe me.

The girls over there are giggling and shrieking as they run in and out from under a water sprinkler. They tease not to really get wet at first but ole tick is just waiting for someone to venture too close.

Go check-um out if you don’t believe me.

LMM is the towel girl.

You are one sick man. 

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ok lmm make me a liar.......what did i say that ya'll are not involved in over there?

 

tick ain't coming back over here, you can bet on that. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxrated

 

Originally posted by Semi:

Yes, it could happen, my friend. I don't think you're a liar either but just because someone says you are, doesn't make it so. Someone called me a ***** yesterday, so I smiled & said thank you, I certainly can be when the time calls for it.

 

I think you are Christian enough in that heart of yours that you can forgive anyone anything. I've told a lie before to keep someone from being hurt when she asked something that I knew would hurt her if I answered true. Does that label me as a liar?

We receive kindness by showing kindness. You're my friend & I know you have a forgiving heart

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Originally Posted by O No!:

Semi, I love you girl! You're a beautiful person and you have a beautiful heart.

 

If Jennifer wants to be friends with me, first she will have to apologize. I have no trouble forgiving people, but it is useless to forgive someone only to be attacked again. That wouldn't be being Christian, that would be  being stupid.

 

We ALL tell "white lies" - the type of lie you tell out of kindness. (Things like, "How do you like my new haircut?" "Oh, it looks nice.", when in fact it makes her look like a poodle who has been run over by a lawnmower.) And when you get right down to it, that commandment DOESN'T say "Thou shalt not lie", it says, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". There is a big difference. Bearing false witness means accusing someone of something they didn't do. (Just like Jennifer did when she accused me of lying.)

 

No, I doubt Jennifer and I will ever be friends, but I'm glad YOU can be friends with both of us. Now, doesn't that ell you something about YOURSELF? - you can find yourself in the middle of a manure storm and still not get any on you, because both sides want to avoid hurting YOU. I'll never fling any at you, and I don't think Jennifer would ever fling any at you either. Face it, Semi, you are just a great person and we both think the world of you! (As I'm sure almost everyone on this forum does.)

 

Going home now. I hope you have a great night.

How very kind you are……that’s why I love you too, girlfriend! Sadly, this old heart is cold & has been for a very long time.

Jenn has a good heart, & I hope she will apologize. Sometimes we say things in the heat of the moment that we might not really mean. She’s a level headed woman & I have confidence in her to do the right thing.

 

Oh No, my friend, was Jesus not attacked many times? Would you say He was stupid? Of course, you wouldn’t, because you love Him & believe in Him.  

 

You’re right, the Bible doesn’t say "Thou shalt not lie", but does say “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor”. Thank you, I never really thought about that before but I still believe a lie to be a lie, no matter what color it is.

 

Never say never, it could happen & if I believed in prayer, I would pray that you & Jenn will work things out. I may not be praying for it but I’m wishing for it with everything in my soul.

 

I know both of you would avoid hurting me, that you would never fling anything bad my way & I don’t think Jennifer would either. See, you just admitted that you think you & Jenn agree on something. That’s a first step in the right direction.

 

I’m not a great person, but thank you for thinking so. And, no, not everyone on this forum thinks so. And that’s ok with me, I’m just here to learn as much as I can & of course, to hopefully teach Bill what love/compassion is. You & Jenn are much better people than I will ever be.

Love you, my precious friend! And you too, Jenn. Both of you are good people!!

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Magpie:
Semi!! You didn’t know?? Tick is a love slave over on a forum hosted by Madam Liv Tyler.The last time I looked he was cuffed to the bed posts wearing nothing but his leathers.

I don't know why a COC or any Christian would be going to a forum where people are chained to a bed. Wouldn't that be considered a no no in the Bible?

 


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i don't know of any COC member that would object but I can't speak for everyone.

Jen? Semi is right. She says she came here to learn something, but it seems she can also teach too. You and I may not have much in common, but we do have our love for our friend Semi in common. I am willing to try for her sake, if you are. I will apologize for calling you bitter if you will apologize for calling me a liar. We may never agree on much else, but we could at least start being civil to each other. Are you game?

Originally Posted by O No!:

Jen? Semi is right. She says she came here to learn something, but it seems she can also teach too. You and I may not have much in common, but we do have our love for our friend Semi in common. I am willing to try for her sake, if you are. I will apologize for calling you bitter if you will apologize for calling me a liar. We may never agree on much else, but we could at least start being civil to each other. Are you game?

 

 

 

Don't hold your breath on that one...

 
Originally Posted by O No!:

Jen? Semi is right. She says she came here to learn something, but it seems she can also teach too. You and I may not have much in common, but we do have our love for our friend Semi in common. I am willing to try for her sake, if you are. I will apologize for calling you bitter if you will apologize for calling me a liar. We may never agree on much else, but we could at least start being civil to each other. Are you game?

 

Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:

Don't hold your breath on that one...

You're not helping anything. If you can't say something good about the fence's I'm trying to mend, please don't say anything at all. Jenn has as much good in her as anyone on this forum. We all have different opinions about things, but that doesn't make any of us bad people.

From what I can see, atheists aren't trying to stop the religious from discussing anything.

In fact, we atheists usually try to keep it going-the thing is though, atheists discuss stuff that the religious don't seem to wanna hear or admit about their own belief.

  THAT'S when the religious start getting all 'persecuted' and stuff....

 

Atheists pick out the 'dark' parts of the bible sometimes BECAUSE the believers purposely ignore them.  I personally figure that if you're gonna believe the story-believe the WHOLE story and accept it for what it is.

 

Those dark parts are in there, plain as day.  We heathens didn't make them up just to berate or insult you in any way, but a lotta us figure that before you believers get all high and mighty and morally superior on us, Ya might wanna first make sure that your own doctrine isn't making a liar outta ya from the get-go.

 

We read the whole story. We're not just cherry-picking the bad parts out-but we do remind the GZs that they do in fact exist.

 

I find it kinda ironic that O is basically doing the same thing that she is accusing heathens of doing.........She's just sugarcoating it with the guise of "christian benevolence."

Ya know....."For our own good."

 

Debate happens.  Somebody's gonna be right and somebody's gonna be wrong-or maybe everybody's right or everybody's wrong.  Either way-NO, we CAN'Talll always get along in that respect.  Doesn't mean I don't like ya-Just means I disagree.  Sometimes vehemently.

 

  I think that if you're going to go to war-which is what you're doing when you argue-that you should first understand the process.  Sure, you can shoot at me-but expect a few of my return shots to find their marks.

 

Get a helmet. 

 

  Ya can't cry "no fair" when ya knew the rules of combat to start with.

 

 

 

Do the rules include not using the Bible as  a reference RP?  Seems that is the atheist preferred method of attack.

 

If you disarm your opponent and then shoot at will, not much of a fair fight.

 

We have also 'read the whole thing'. There are dark parts. There are glorious parts. There are logical and illogical parts.

 

If you are put on a motorcycle going 80 down a gravel road without your helmet, boots, long pants and a jacket, how is the sliding through the gravel going to feel?

 

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