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The Bible is a masterpiece of science. All the answers to current scientific questions are found hidden within it’s pages. The Bible contains answers to future questions about the universe that have as yet not been asked. When all questions past, present and in the future are found to be revealed by careful study of the word of God time as we regard  it will have had its end in the classical world that we have invented simply by our consciences. That occurs when the last question is answered.

quote:  Originally Posted by lexum:

The Bible is a masterpiece of science.  All the answers to current scientific questions are found hidden within it’s pages.  The Bible contains answers to future questions about the universe that have as yet not been asked.  When all questions past, present, and in the future are found to be revealed by careful study of the word of God time as we regard it will have had its end in the classical world that we have invented simply by our consciences.  That occurs when the last question is answered.


Hi Lexum,

 

While the Bible is not a science book; you are right that much of science is found in the Bible.   The Bible, rather than explaining science (which is not God's purpose for it) -- is a perfect example of unity which only God could create.   Even though the Bible was written, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, by forty men living in scattered and diverse geographical locations, over a period of 1600 years -- it has one specific theme:  salvation for mankind. 

 

Not all men will be saved.  But, God has put it out there for all who will, by His grace, through faith in Jesus Christ -- believe and receive this free gift, this full pardon for all our sins, paid for by His precious blood.

 

Science, and all the laws governing the sciences, are a subset of the Creation.  When "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1) -- a part of that Creation was the sciences and their governing laws.  

 

Therefore, God already knows all these things -- and when scientists make a great scientific discovery, I am sure it brings a smile to God's face.   This is much like us, when our small child first learned to walk, to say that first word, to ride a bicycle, etc. -- it brings a smile to mom, dad, grandma, and grandpa's faces.   Like those parents are please when little Johnny or Jane makes that great breakthrough -- God, Father of all of us, is pleased when we humans finally learn something He has always known.

 

Lexum, you are so right when you say that the Bible already contains ALL the answers.  Now, it is just up to each of us, as individuals, to discover those truths.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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God hates the disabled: The blind, the lame, people with funny noses or any blemishes, or broken feet or hands, crooked backs, dwarfs, or who have scurvy or scabs or damaged test-icles must not approach the altar of God "because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries." (Leviticus 21:16-23)

God won't let bast-ards attend church. Nor can the sons or daughters of bast-ards attend church "even to the tenth generation." (Deuteronomy 23:2)

God defines the monetary value of human life. Neither are worth much, but of course, God values females about half as much as males. (Leviticus 27:3-7)

How to sell your daughter and what to do if she fails to please her new master. (Exodus 21:7)

Although God won't let Moses see his face, he does permit him a peek at his "back parts." (Exodus 33:23)

Now b, you know there aren't any scriptures about roasting little children.
Is there?

Semi, I agree. It was a good try.

Goodnight folks. I have enjoyed the parts of this thread where people post stuff that is confusing and ask questions about it. For the record I don't hate the bible. I do however find it antiquated, barbaric and confusing in some places but that's just me I'm sure. Later gators!
Originally Posted by lexum:

The Bible is a masterpiece of science. All the answers to current scientific questions are found hidden within it’s pages. The Bible contains answers to future questions about the universe that have as yet not been asked. When all questions past, present and in the future are found to be revealed by careful study of the word of God time as we regard  it will have had its end in the classical world that we have invented simply by our consciences. That occurs when the last question is answered.

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Does it tell me how my cell phone works?  I'm going to need the chapter and verse on that.

No offense to anyone, but a title that says "dumb stuff in Bible" is going to produce intense debate. Remember Leviticus was written to Jews at a certain time, not to Christians. It reminds me of this current debate on immigrants. We can give them whatever we want to. We just can't break the law and steal from someone who doesn't want to give it.

quote:  Originally Posted by lexum:

Thanks Bill for your insight to the obvious.  The all powerful, knowing and all presence of God is now proven by science to unquestionable satisfaction.


Hi Lexum,

 

Do I sense a twinge of negativity in your post?  Maybe I am wrong; but, I gathered from your posts that you are a Christian believer -- true or false?   Personally, I believe all Christian believers should be standing together to refute the false teachings of atheism, secularism, world religions, and cults.  Assuming you are a Christian believer -- why would you get upset when I try to stand with you?  As for me, I welcome all Christian brothers and sisters who will stand with me in sharing God's Word.  How about you?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Lexum,

 Personally, I believe all Christian believers should be standing together to refute the false teachings of atheism, secularism, world religions, and cults.   

Bill

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Yeah! Giv'em Hell, Bill!!! You wouldn't want to give anyone the impression that you believe in, or that the Bible teaches love, compassion & kindness.

More of a 'hate the Bible fest' and make sure you quote all the really nasty parts.

I'm surprised there was no mention of children being roasted. Ahh, that can be for another time.

 

 

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I don't see any "hate the bible" or "hate their god" going on, just posting silly stuff that none of the christians have an explanation for. BTW, "you have to study and learn what it means and what they meant" is bull to me. No offense to anyone, just a tired old argument that makes no sense. If your god wanted followers and wanted those followers to do certain things he should have said what he meant instead of what he said and meant but didn't mean. See the problem there?

 And as far as roasting children, there are plenty of equally horrific things in the bible. Trying to clean up the stories when feeding them to children, such as the woman did about the bears killing the children (she changed it to the bear killing men), doesn't change the way it is written in the bible. I notice christians don't like for atheists to post those kind of stories but will not explain why, because once again they are in the bible. So if the bills of the country got their way and the bible was taught in school would they "clean it up" a bit for the children? Why bother teaching it if they're going to change it? Would they allow questions or would they attack the students like they do atheists if the students questioned something in the bible? Would they allow "debate"?

Christians never have an answer when ask about contradictions or silly verses/passages in the bible except once again to say you just don't understand, or, it's not a contradiction. Apparently they're still learning or interpreting it themselves so it makes me wonder why they feel qualified to "teach" it to others.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by lexum:

Thanks Bill for your insight to the obvious.  The all powerful, knowing and all presence of God is now proven by science to unquestionable satisfaction.


Hi Lexum,

 

Do I sense a twinge of negativity in your post?  Maybe I am wrong; but, I gathered from your posts that you are a Christian believer -- true or false?   Personally, I believe all Christian believers should be standing together to refute the false teachings of atheism, secularism, world religions, and cults.  Assuming you are a Christian believer -- why would you get upset when I try to stand with you?  As for me, I welcome all Christian brothers and sisters who will stand with me in sharing God's Word.  How about you?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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no bill you didn't sense a bit of negativity you are wrong to assume that.

Point is the obvious should easily be seen by anyone that the Bible is a source for any objective person. For anyone to miss the overwhelming source of answers is sad to say the least.

 

Even the answers to his Omni properties.

I am on your side Bill.

There are many things contained in the Bible that puzzle those who have not studied it.

How a cell phone works is certainly contained in Gods word but it would be impossible to see it unless one knew themselves “how a cell phone worked”.  Not some general  explanation that one speaks into one device and it comes out of another device held by someone else. Once science makes a discovery it will always be found that clues or references to that discovery were already contained in The Bible.

I suggest that instead of seeing the Bible as a threat see it as a great source of knowledge.

Sheep herders did not have a concept of “without form and void” but God had that concept.

God spoke the world into existence out of nothing.

Except in the classical sense that we understand science has yet to find anything on a quantum level that is anything but a concept.  Nothing tangible just results of our measuring .

What does the Bible say things were made of?  Why it was nothing. Read the Bible.

God is not classical; only our mis-understanding of Him is..

There is and was before God made the universe a MATHETICAL description of any point in what we see as time to include the position and momentum of all classical things. This knowledge is the omnipresence, omnipotence and all-knowledge by God. There is also a mathematical formula which will have described the same characteristics of any point in the future. This knowledge must be preserved somewhere and that somewhere is the knowledge of what is God.

Only God is this powerful and up until the past hundred or so years of study by man is it becoming possible for man to conceive the Omni-God.

Does anyone want to hazard a guess of a  mathematical description of the exact state of all classical things [molecules, atoms etc] a second from now an hour from now? The description is somewhere or the future never happens. If there is not a mathematical description of where a molecule will be in one second in the future it will never be there or anywhere. The answer is contained in the knowledge of God.

“Seek and ye shall find.”

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Lexum,

 

Once again - where does the Bible explain quantum physics?  Atomic structure?  DNA?  Molecular chemistry?  Astrophysics?  I've missed it, help me out here.

These terms you use are classical terms. Manmade if you may.

Once again - where does the Bible explain quantum physics? Atomic structure? DNA? Molecular chemistry? Astrophysics? I've missed it, help me out here.”

The Bible starts out on a quantum level when it uses terms such as “without form” and the term “void” in the classical world can you describe anything without form? No you can’t. I guess you could in some feeble way describe an atom in the quantum world but you are hindered by the fact that your measurements of your description are what give properties to these things.

The properties of DNA[a manmade term] are classical but ultimately exist only in our feeble attempt to describe the quantum world. We certainly cannot describe the past present or future state of any molecule of DNA but the mathematical description exists somewhere. Identical DNA with receptors are never guaranteed to be coded for the same results but there is a mathematical description of it with OMNI-GOD.

I suggest one realize the powerful things in the Bible that are later borne out to predate science.

If anyone thinks my ideas are rubbish so let it be. I have had plenty of qualified help forming them. If you disagree convince me with science I’m wrong. If it’s simply a disagreement fueled by some agenda other than the truth I’ll recognize that right off.

"you have to study and learn what it means and what they meant" is bull to me. No offense to anyone, just a tired old argument that makes no sense.



OK Best, can you read Hebrew?  Greek? Aramaic? Unless you can read the original language and know the exact meaning of every word, you cannot understand what some of the terms and words mean in a different language. Some words don't even translate directly from one language to another.

Take the word that we assume meant carpenter.


The common conception of Joseph is that he was a carpenter (Matthew 13:55), however, this is a mis-translation of the Greek word, tecton (tekton), which more accurately should be called “general contractor”, or more provocatively, “Master of the Craft” (Gardner, 2001). In fact, the Protoevangelium of James, [1] which concerns the lives of Jesus’ parents, specifically identifies Joseph as a general contractor.  The Blueletter Bible offers various translations of tekton -  (1) a worker in wood, a carpenter, joiner, builder, (2) any craftsman, or workman (e.g.,  the art of poetry, maker of songs), and (3)  a planner, contriver, plotter, or (4) an author.

 

 

Now this was a mistaken translation of a word, yet everyone still says that Jesus was the son of a carpenter. Since they lived in a rocky dry area, that is doubtful. This is what is meant by studying the words used and the original meaning. Not a 'tired old argument', just the truth.

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Lexum,

 

Once again - where does the Bible explain quantum physics?  Atomic structure?  DNA?  Molecular chemistry?  Astrophysics?  I've missed it, help me out here.

These terms you use are classical terms. Manmade if you may.

Once again - where does the Bible explain quantum physics? Atomic structure? DNA? Molecular chemistry? Astrophysics? I've missed it, help me out here.”

The Bible starts out on a quantum level when it uses terms such as “without form” and the term “void” in the classical world can you describe anything without form? No you can’t. I guess you could in some feeble way describe an atom in the quantum world but you are hindered by the fact that your measurements of your description are what give properties to these things.

The properties of DNA[a manmade term] are classical but ultimately exist only in our feeble attempt to describe the quantum world. We certainly cannot describe the past present or future state of any molecule of DNA but the mathematical description exists somewhere. Identical DNA with receptors are never guaranteed to be coded for the same results but there is a mathematical description of it with OMNI-GOD.

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If the Bible is such a wealth of scientific knowledge, why can't we?

Now this was a mistaken translation of a word, yet everyone still says that Jesus was the son of a carpenter. Since they lived in a rocky dry area, that is doubtful. This is what is meant by studying the words used and the original meaning. Not a 'tired old argument', just the truth.

 

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So your god didn't know that people would speak different languages and would need to know the meaning of words in those languages? How is that possible since he supposedly created those same new languages? Tower of babel ring any bells?

quote:   Originally Posted by lexum:
no bill you didn't sense a bit of negativity you are wrong to assume that.  Point is the obvious should easily be seen by anyone that the Bible is a source for any objective person. For anyone to miss the overwhelming source of answers is sad to say the least.  Even the answers to his Omni properties.

I am on your side Bill. 


Hi Lexum,

 

I am happy to hear that we are on the same Team!   Lexum, you tell me, "No, Bill, you didn't sense a bit of negativity.  You are wrong to assume that."

 

While I am very happy that nothing negative was intended -- one thing I learned in my 35 years of computer sales and marketing -- it is not necessarily what we say that sticks; but, what folks perceive that we have said.   And, I must admit that I did (erroneously) initially perceive your comment to be negative.  But, we have that all straight now -- so, let's just bury it and move on with sharing God's Word as Christian brothers.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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So, what number is this?

 

All of these "dumb" verses and so-called contradictions have been answered so many times. Infomercial just told you, " No offense to anyone, but a title that says "dumb stuff in Bible" is going to produce intense debate. Remember Leviticus was written to Jews at a certain time, not to Christians. " And even though that is the TRUTH, you won't accept it. You have been told this over and over again, but because you don't REALLY want an answer, you won't accept it.

 

And B just gave another explanation about why some of the things we read do not mean the same thing in modern language:

 

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"you have to study and learn what it means and what they meant" is bull to me. No offense to anyone, just a tired old argument that makes no sense.



OK Best, can you read Hebrew?  Greek? Aramaic? Unless you can read the original language and know the exact meaning of every word, you cannot understand what some of the terms and words mean in a different language. Some words don't even translate directly from one language to another.

Take the word that we assume meant carpenter.


The common conception of Joseph is that he was a carpenter (Matthew 13:55), however, this is a mis-translation of the Greek word, tecton (tekton), which more accurately should be called “general contractor”, or more provocatively, “Master of the Craft” (Gardner, 2001). In fact, the Protoevangelium of James, [1] which concerns the lives of Jesus’ parents, specifically identifies Joseph as a general contractor.  The Blueletter Bible offers various translations of tekton -  (1) a worker in wood, a carpenter, joiner, builder, (2) any craftsman, or workman (e.g.,  the art of poetry, maker of songs), and (3)  a planner, contriver, plotter, or (4) an author.

 

 

Now this was a mistaken translation of a word, yet everyone still says that Jesus was the son of a carpenter. Since they lived in a rocky dry area, that is doubtful. This is what is meant by studying the words used and the original meaning. Not a 'tired old argument', just the truth."

 

But you won't accept THAT truth either. Instead we get more "Oh yeah? Well what about...?"

 

This has become worse than tiresome. This is downright drudgery. If my guitar students were as defiant about the truth, as insistant upon questioning the FACTS, just because they don't LIKE the facts, not only would they never learn a thing, but they would be so unpleasant to deal with that it wouldn't be worth it. And neither is this anymore.

quote:  Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:
Christians never have an answer when ask about contradictions or silly verses/passages in the bible except once again to say you just don't understand, or, it's not a contradiction.  Apparently they're still learning or interpreting it themselves so it makes me wonder why they feel qualified to "teach" it to others.

Hi Jennifer,

 

Actually, we Christians have answered the atheist questions regarding perceived contradictions in the Bible numerous times.  Yet, you never hear or read our answers -- for you, like the child who is afraid on the roller coaster, close you eyes tight -- believing, "What I cannot see or hear -- cannot harm me!" 

 

Yes, Jennifer, as a child many of us clamped our eyes closed, or pulled the blanket over our heads -- to protect us from the boogy man. 

 

But, when you are keeping you eyes closed, your spiritual eyes -- and you keep demanding that we answer the questions which we have already answered hundreds of times -- you just display your childish attitude toward God, Christians, and the Bible.  

 

But, praise God -- that is the gift of "free will" He has given you -- to believe or to deny.   If you insist upon continuing to walk in the darkness of atheism -- that is your God-given choice.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Actually, we Christians have answered the atheist questions regarding perceived contradictions in the Bible numerous times. Yet, you never hear or read our answers -- for you, like the child who is afraid on the roller coaster, close you eyes tight -- believing, "What I cannot see or hear -- will not harm me!"

 

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Bill, "there are no contradictions in the bible" is not an answer. The bible is full of them. This thread is about dumb things in the bible.  I ask about circumcision, no answer from any of you and you go off on some stupid rant about roller coasters. I also ask why you try to "clean up" bible stories you tell children. Again no answer. I ask if "students" would be treated this way if you were allowed to "teach" the bible in school. Would you try to bully them too? Would they be able to ask questions, or debate? Of course not. All you want is another audience to "preach" to on the taxpayer's dime. Not happening. No one is scared of you or your god, and I for one will not allow people like you to even attempt to scare or influence my children.

 

I have studied the bible and religion in general for many years, I really don't need anyone else to tell me what it is 'supposed" to mean. I understood its meaning fine. I just don't agree with it or think it holds much importance in the grand scheme of things. It is just ancient text that has been changed and twisted over the centuries by many, many people. Its not even good reading really. Barely educational, other than it has had a great deal of influence on humankind. Which is actually very sad. I for one am very happy that as a woman I am not still under the laws of "God" in this country. I hope it stays that way.

 

 

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

 

"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife...."



 

If a person rightly divides science in, all honesty, that person has to conclude the authorship of the Bible is Godly in it’s source.

There are many things in the Bible that may confuse someone but given time and a relentless pursuit of knowledge these things will all be admitted by the scientific world as having the answers right under the nose all along.

Do yourself a favor. Study science along with the Bible and your eyes will be opened to the truth that the Bible is the inspired word of God.

Originally Posted by O No!:

This has become worse than tiresome. This is downright drudgery. If my guitar students were as defiant about the truth, as insistant upon questioning the FACTS, just because they don't LIKE the facts, not only would they never learn a thing, but they would be so unpleasant to deal with that it wouldn't be worth it. And neither is this anymore.

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I'm sorry you feel that way, my friend. I have never been defiant about the truth just because someone gave me their truth or questioned something just because I didn't like the facts. I'm all for learning but just to take someones word as fact or truth just doesn't go far with me.

I need more than that.

Originally Posted by O No!:

...And B just gave another explanation about why some of the things we read do not mean the same thing in modern language...

Can you or anyone explain to me what the passages I posted "really" mean in modern language?

(Leviticus 21:16-23? Deuteronomy 23:2? Leviticus 27:3-7? Exodus 21:7?) And please don't complain about OT quotes, they were just at the front of the Bible. The NT stuff is not much better. And both were "inspired" by the same Abrahamic god.

No it didn't turn into a "bash the bible" session. It was no such thing but that was the accusation made. It was a "dumb things in the bible" session and you claimed it was to bash it. Then bill does his hit and run post about "contradictions" in the bible already being explained, which of course they never are. What were you endeavoring to do B? You've never seen any dumb things in the bible?

Oh, it is bash the Bible, no doubt.

 

Have I seen things that did not make sense? Yes, that's why I go and investigate what the meaning was intended to be.

 

Not hard to do really, or you can just say it's full of contradictions, dumb stuff, and fairy tales.

 

It all depends on if you actually believe it to be truth and not fiction. Since atheists call it fiction, arguing about fiction being dumb is just, dumb.

It all depends on if you actually believe it to be truth and not fiction. Since atheists call it fiction, arguing about fiction being dumb is just, dumb.

 

Not arguing that it's dumb. Just wondering why people believe the dumb stuff. I don't "argue" if there's a god, my position is that there isn't. I'm like road puppy, I wonder why people would believe it. And I will fight against having it taught in schools.

Or like many people who investigate it, go to seminary school, and figure out that it is indeed just a fairy tale written by men. I still enjoy reading it and learning what the men of that time thought and what laws they lived by. Also it is good to understand what the majority of people in this country base their lives on. It helps me talk to them and know where their mentality is and their values. For some it is actually a good influence, those are usually the ones that don't take it too seriously though. Those that believe it is the literal, inspired, inerrant word of God, are usually a little nuts.

quote:  Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
I'm sorry you feel that way, my friend.  I have never been defiant about the truth just because someone gave me their truth -- or questioned something just because I didn't like the facts.  I'm all for learning but just to take someones word as fact or truth just doesn't go far with me.  I need more than that.

Hi Chick,

 

You say you need more than what people tell you about the Bible, to believe it.  What would make YOU believe that the Bible is the Written Word of God, is true, and is His message to all mankind?

 

Many of us have given you reasons why we believe this.  But, what will it take for YOU to believe it?

 

True, you and/or Jennifer can give me a cutesy, snappy answer -- to one-up me.  But, searching your own heart -- what will convince YOU to believe the Bible and to believe in Jesus Christ?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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