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polls say 28% of the republicans voted for hillary... if she wins florida.. it's pretty much over for trump... at this point, the republicans are in full panic. next problem.. holding on to those congressional seats. seems a few of those may flip, too.

what was it those republicans said about a 'mandate from the people'? seems 'do nothing' isn't what the people wanted. ha!

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Sounds GOOD for the Democrats so I suggest you start celebrating now and lauding it over all the conservatives and Republicans and Trump supporters.  You can start your shouting of "Madam President" and telling everyone, now, how you told us so.   I guess we shouldn't even go vote now considering that it is already over for what use it is to vote right?

Yeah, those nasty partisan WikiLeaks of factual information that shows the greater amount of Democrats and Democratic leadership as being Cheats, Corrupt and criminal will have no affect on people voting.  Even more so I'm sure that the 50% and greater increases in EVERYONE's November Healthcare bill and huge increases of cost won't have anything to do with people's attitudes about voting. 

I hope you won't mind but I'm sure planning to take my family to go vote AGAINST Hillary and for Donald Trump but then Alabama was really not in doubt in the first place.  I'll think about you on election night as you laude it over us how your candidate was so superior and pristine clean and how wrong we were so ahead of time I will say Congratulations to you for your early victory.  The greatest achievement for Hillary won't be getting elected President but rather staying President if she is elected and staying out of prison but then given her health I doubt she would live long enough to see Prison after the trial anyway.

One thing I will believe and that is whichever candidate wins it's most likely going to be close to a landslide election.  

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you don't like hearing the exact same things i had to hear from you guys? you don't like someone telling you the exact same things that were told to them.. by the very people you support, daily? that hurts your feelings?

 

 i can tell how the president's health bother's you.. by the lack of information given by trump about his health...

i can tell how you're worried about hillary's emails.. you've discussed them.. since you guys decided to scream 'benghazi'... how's that working for you?

what i can't tell... is why you're not worried about your choice for a president that you wouldn't leave alone in a room with your daughter!

your presidential choice is up on fraud and racketeering charges 20 DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION

then CHARGES OF RAPE OF A MINOR FOLLOWING THAT.

tell me more about your 'moral high ground'.... it's so obvious in your choice for a role model for your children/grandchildren.

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you don't like hearing the exact same things i had to hear from you guys? you don't like someone telling you the exact same things that were told to them.. by the very people you support, daily? that hurts your feelings?

 i can tell how the president's health bother's you.. by the lack of information given by trump about his health...

i can tell how you're worried about hillary's emails.. you've discussed them.. since you guys decided to scream 'benghazi'... how's that working for you?

what i can't tell... is why you're not worried about your choice for a president that you wouldn't leave alone in a room with your daughter!

your presidential choice is up on fraud and racketeering charges 20 DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION

then CHARGES OF RAPE OF A MINOR FOLLOWING THAT.

tell me more about your 'moral high ground'.... it's so obvious in your choice for a role model for your children/grandchildren.

Wow that's a lot to address but I will try and do so.  THIS WILL BE LONG, It has to be in order to address all sufficiently.    First of all it's not my intent or desire to hurt anyone in my post.  I don't mind engaging in debate, expressing my beliefs, or defending my positions and why I take them but in no way do I ever mean or feel I demean or hurt anyone and believe me that is not my desire or intent.  That said I do make it a point to express my feelings or beliefs, and to challenge those who have opposing views but I try to do that with questions or statements from sources I trust to challenge others or bolster my position but in no way do I desire to harm or hurt anyone. 

Second I would appreciate not being grouped with others that you may find fault, in some way with, unless I am guilty of something then (if so) you should address that with me specifically rather than making a general "wide brush" grouping for as I said it's never my intent to harm/hurt anyone and if that is the result then I'd like to know it but that is speaking for myself only, the only one I can speak for.

Now regarding this statement you make: "i can tell how the president's health bother's you.. by the lack of information given by trump about his health..." please forgive me but I have no idea what you are talking about.  First of all I have no idea about the President's health (that is Obama's health as he is President.  Now if you mean Hillary, by your statement I think there has been ample evidence, and proof, that if health is an issue for anyone seeking the office then between Trump and Hillary there should be concern and questions ask because there has been observed episodes, recorded events,  where Hillary has been totally incapacitated to the point of having to be carried into the "Scooby" van or carried up stairs or assisted in some ways.  It does appear that she has some serious condition that is not being revealed or discussed.  You also mention I don't ask about Trump. 

Given that Trump has had no such observed or revealed episodes in any way where he has required assistance or appeared to be totally not in control of his abilities and given the exuberance in which he has exhibited in his travels around the campaign trail at times when Hillary is not seen anywhere and taking some sort of sabbatical then I have no reason or cause to question Trump's health.  Both candidates are, for the best part, 70 years old and given that it's reasonable to take into consideration their vice presidential choices because it's reasonable to assume that it's totally possible that even if there was no current signs of ill health that such could occur at any time while in office given the EXTREME STRESS that the President is under.  Stress very likely because of the secret knowledge that they are aware of from briefings about threats known to people in positions that need to know such verses the general public who go around blissfully ignorant of most threats around us or just how thin a line we all are walking each day/week.  The President does have a stressful job and thus their health, physical and mental, is and should be an issue of concern to all and of both candidates but the sad FACT is that of the two Hillary is the ONLY one that has demonstrated, observed, LOSS OF CONTROL of her abilities and has needed complete assistance.  If I don't openly question Trump then it's because such has not been observed regarding him.

Now regarding your statement "i can tell how you're worried about hillary's emails.. you've discussed them.. since you guys decided to scream 'benghazi'... how's that working for you?" It's not just her emails that concern me but more to the point her use, as Secretary of State, a high Government Official with access and briefings of America's TOP Classified secrets, and military information regarding what's going on with our Nation from day to day of a PRIVATE SERVER to contain her emails (personal & work related).    By using a personal server, maintained by someone WITHOUT security clearance she not only is putting information that is classified, secret, of National security merit, where people without that clearance to see such WILL likely certainly see it, by virtue of running and maintaining the server, but also that is very easily subject to being hacked by foreign entities hostile to our Government who would certainly not only have the ability to hack into her private server but would know to do so.  Given her position, as Secretary of State she should have known this was a threat.  No one knows if information on her server may have led to hostiles, terrorist, foreign entities knowing the state of the Benghazi security level or detail or if the Ambassador would be there that day or if request for beefed up security was being made and being rejected (which by the way was happening by Secretary Clinton, by her and/or her associates working directly for her).  There is no proof that such happened, that security was compromised or that Benghazi's attack was precipitated by information on her private server that got into the hands of hostiles but IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.  That my friend should worry and concern ALL OF US (Democrats, republicans or Independents).  She knew better, She did make a decision to go with a private server because Historically speaking and based in part on what people that know her and Bill have said, because she wanted to have the ability to keep some things secret, not from our Nation's adversaries but from those seeking freedom of information act FOIA access to what she was doing. 

Believe what you want but the chances are, based on all information available, and from WikiLeaks, that she knew it was illegal, people around her knew it was illegal and dangerous and most likely was used to facilitate getting around the conflicts of interest between the Clinton Foundation, Donors, and her job as Secretary of State and to keep all that secret from those seeking to find out about it through Freedom of Information subpoenas which would have had access and applied to a Government, State Department Server that would have been infinitely more secure than her private one.  Her desire for secrecy very likely did put National Security information, Secret Information, Classified information available to people who were NOT AUTHORIZED to see it.

That should concern you, me, and everyone else.  I care not for her emails about Chelsea's wedding, yoga, or the like but she was in a position to know better and it was no mistake but was deliberate and typical of what these people do and have done for years.  

Regarding Benghazi, that was under her command, it was her responsibility and she did fail in that regard.  It was under her that request for beefed up and added security (from the ambassador and others) was turned down repeatedly and it was Hillary that LIED to the American people about the cause of the Attack along with Obama.  It was Hillary who lied to the relatives of those killed at Benghazi and then who later accused the very same relatives of lying about what she said to them because she was trying to cover herself and what she did. 

Crash we still don't know (as a nation or people) where our President was during the attack, at the time of the attack which killed four or our citizens including an ambassador.  We don't know where he was, when he was told, how he was told, and more important what he did as a result and when he did it.  We don't know what Hillary did or when she knew but what we do know is SOMEONE gave a stand down order to troops standing ready to assist those under attack and counter attack those attacking our citizens and those defending them but they were ordered not to assist and to "stand down".  Even today we don't known who gave that order and given our day of ever knowing and suspicious media that is unfathomable and should concern many if not all Americans.  What we DO KNOW is for weeks Obama and Hillary openly lied about the cause of the attack, blaming it on an obscure YouTube video  that no one (not even the terrorist) knew about until they (Obama and Hillary) pointed to it as the cause of the attack.  This diversion or lie was sold by Hillary and Obama and their people that worked for them, at a time that they obviously knew better.  No one seems on wonder WHY they lied and they never paid a price for those lies, lies to the relatives of those killed at Benghazi and lies to the American people.  A sitting President who to this day we don't know when he knew about an attack on our Nation or what he did in response and when he did it?  That's unheard of and very disturbing to me and should be to you and others.  Now Hillary, one of those actors and those caught up in that, wants to be President so IT IS RELAVENT and should be on the mind of anyone thinking about the election.

Last you try and inject unproven accusations about Donald Trump and women and morph that into "Little Girls"  First of all Trump did have and speak in "men's course language" but he said nothing that most other men haven't and although wrong it's not actually acting on it.  As far as the accusations that he did something those haven't been proven and he's denied them.  Until it can be proven then no one should act on accusations that are made that are highly suspect as politically motivated.  Like Harry Reid saying Romney didn't pay taxes, someone told him, so he sold it as fact where later it was PROVEN as lies and when confronted that it was known to be Lies all Harry Reid would say in his defense is "Romney Lost didn't he".  Talk about violation of the Hatch Act!  This was blatant lying on the part of the Senate leader in order to affect an election and now you say we should crucify Trump because some women in the last hours of the election say something happened, Trump touched them.   What about the women that Bill Clinton, even as President, while President, RAPED, or had sex with?  Bill didn't just touch them he assaulted them, raped them without their permission, and although Bill isn't running Hillary facilitated Bill doing this by not confronting him on it, calling him on it, but in turn she ATTACKED the very women that Bill Attacked and she did it to protect Bill. 

Come on now Hillary's full of problems, you know it or should.  Democrats should know it and yet they put her up as their candidate.  WikiLeaks prove that the Democratic National Committee totally destroyed Bernie Sanders chances at ever beating her, they totally rigged it from the start and now it's evident they did so yet all this should be forgiven and forgot.   WikiLeaks prove that Hillary Cheated during the primary debates and  questions were provided by the, now, DNC chairperson, to Hillary who willingly took them and used them.  Provided by CNN, not just one debate for two or more.  Why do we not suspect the General election debates questions were not also leaked?   CHEATING .. Proven!   

WikiLeaks has PROVEN that Hillary's own top associates and helpers KNEW that the private server and emails were not only illegal but a problem and sought to delete them.  

I could go on forever because there is that much corruption here.  If you can't see it that's either you deciding to be blissfully ignorant with solid rose colored glasses, drinking the koolaid or just willing to accept anything if it means your candidate is elected.   There are many good democrats that could have been run and that could have been elected but Hillary is not a good Democratic candidate, not a good candidate and if you believe the very secret service agents that guarded her a very vulgar, not nice, terrible person to be around.  As for young kids it wasn't Trump that flew all those flights aboard a plane owned by and flown by a known convicted pedophile but Bill Clinton not only flew on these flights with this man, at the same time, but also flew to and stayed at his PRIVATE island where it has been proven young girls have been provided for this convicted pedophile's  friends.   Ever hear the national media ask Bill about those trips?  no!  nor will you but they happened.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...hillary-clinton.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016...reviously-known.html

Yes a recent, very recent, case says Trump flew on these planes and had contact with these girls and IF SO THEN HE SHOULD PAY THE PRICE but it has to be proven.  YES I SAID THAT.  HE should pay if guilty but at this point, given the timing, it appears it could be all politically motivated and false so until proven it's alleged and given the political season and risk it's very likely it's false as many law suits filed during the last of campaigns end up being.  After their damages and after the election then the suits are remarkably dropped.  Republicans AND Democrats do this all over the Nation and people should be held accountable who do such too.   So if Trump is guilty then impeach him, convict him.  BUT DON'T STOP THERE ... DO THE SAME TO BILL CLINTON!   If you choose to ONLY go after Trump while turning a blind eye to Bill Clinton you disqualify yourself for this conversation and prove yourself a hypocrite. 

Basically no one should put credence on any lawsuit or case filed in the last days of an election against any candidate, Democrat or Republican for most if not ALL are false and end up being politically motivated in order to attempt to destroy the candidate all while it's known they are false, just like when Harry Reid claimed he had a friend that said Mitt Romney didn't pay his taxes.  Harry Reid should have been convicted on violation of the Hatch Act and at least made to resign for it was PROVEN he lied knowingly in order to affect the outcome of an election and then he bragged about it.

With respect to Hillary and the current FBI Charges.  This is the Government charging her and for things that have been ongoing for years and not just come up and materialized at the end of a campaign.  If the FBI has info and proof on Donald Trump then they should and would come forward.  A democratically controlled Justice department holding back on Trump, right before an election?  I don't think so.  Doesn't pass the smell test.

So Crash I don't mean to demean you, hurt or harm you but at the same time the above is information that should prove to you and anyone that Hillary is a criminal, corrupt, flawed candidate that should not even be allowed to run and frankly the fact that she is the head of the democratic ticket proves that there is vast corruption at the top of the Democratic National Convention and Democrats should clean house and people should go to jail.  The Democratic party has been corrupted and taken over.  The last leader Shultz had to resign due to WikiLeaks information that convicted her and the current one, her replacement should also be cast aside for cheating during the debates.  The fact that Hillary is your candidate proves there is gross corruption and problems at the very top of the Democratic organization and the people should attempt to regain control.  

Crash, there are many good Democrats but sadly the Clintons are not among them nor have they ever been, from what it seems now.

i'm with jt... your sources are quite sketchy. you have all these 'beliefs' that hillary is guilty of all kinds of dastardly deeds. the narrative you put forth shows you've bought hook line and sinker into the rt. wingnut narrative of hillary. you've spouted every 'party lie' in your support of an admitted sexual predator. i haven't 'morphed' any lawsuits into anything... i merely read the facts.  again, you're making a choice to vote for a man you wouldn't leave alone in a room with your children/grandchildren. so much for the 'family values' party.

 

here's a short list of the things done by trump and known associates...

well... we do have a case against trump for racketeering and fraud..

as well as a case against trump for rape of a minor

as well as an invesigation into his former campaign manager for his ties to russia

then, there's the new evidence that trump's campaign has had direct contact with the russian government

then there's the new PROOF of comey refusing to admit to the russians being the hackers... even while the rest of the intelligence community agreed... comey didn't think it was a good idea.. so close to the elections... can you say hatch act.

then, there's those dozen women accusing trump of sexual assault

then, there's that case of 'racial housing discrimination'

then, there's that time the new jersey gaming commission fined trump 200k for 'keeping black employees away' while his mafia buddy was at the casino.

then, there's the 'trump foundation' and it being shut down

then, there's the cuban embargo which trump ignored

 

so, the choice is a man who has proven he's mentally unstable. a rapist. sexual predator. cheat. conman. and you made that choice because .. hillary used the wrong email. and something MIGHT have happened.

btw, lots of people have used the 'wrong email'.. including colon powell.... i have yet to see the 'charges' leveled against him.

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gbrk posted:
Crash.Override posted:

you don't like hearing the exact same things i had to hear from you guys? you don't like someone telling you the exact same things that were told to them.. by the very people you support, daily? that hurts your feelings?

 i can tell how the president's health bother's you.. by the lack of information given by trump about his health...

i can tell how you're worried about hillary's emails.. you've discussed them.. since you guys decided to scream 'benghazi'... how's that working for you?

what i can't tell... is why you're not worried about your choice for a president that you wouldn't leave alone in a room with your daughter!

your presidential choice is up on fraud and racketeering charges 20 DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION

then CHARGES OF RAPE OF A MINOR FOLLOWING THAT.

tell me more about your 'moral high ground'.... it's so obvious in your choice for a role model for your children/grandchildren.

Wow that's a lot to address but I will try and do so.  THIS WILL BE LONG, It has to be in order to address all sufficiently.    First of all it's not my intent or desire to hurt anyone in my post.  I don't mind engaging in debate, expressing my beliefs, or defending my positions and why I take them but in no way do I ever mean or feel I demean or hurt anyone and believe me that is not my desire or intent.  That said I do make it a point to express my feelings or beliefs, and to challenge those who have opposing views but I try to do that with questions or statements from sources I trust to challenge others or bolster my position but in no way do I desire to harm or hurt anyone. 

Second I would appreciate not being grouped with others that you may find fault, in some way with, unless I am guilty of something then (if so) you should address that with me specifically rather than making a general "wide brush" grouping for as I said it's never my intent to harm/hurt anyone and if that is the result then I'd like to know it but that is speaking for myself only, the only one I can speak for.

Now regarding this statement you make: "i can tell how the president's health bother's you.. by the lack of information given by trump about his health..." please forgive me but I have no idea what you are talking about.  First of all I have no idea about the President's health (that is Obama's health as he is President.  Now if you mean Hillary, by your statement I think there has been ample evidence, and proof, that if health is an issue for anyone seeking the office then between Trump and Hillary there should be concern and questions ask because there has been observed episodes, recorded events,  where Hillary has been totally incapacitated to the point of having to be carried into the "Scooby" van or carried up stairs or assisted in some ways.  It does appear that she has some serious condition that is not being revealed or discussed.  You also mention I don't ask about Trump. 

Given that Trump has had no such observed or revealed episodes in any way where he has required assistance or appeared to be totally not in control of his abilities and given the exuberance in which he has exhibited in his travels around the campaign trail at times when Hillary is not seen anywhere and taking some sort of sabbatical then I have no reason or cause to question Trump's health.  Both candidates are, for the best part, 70 years old and given that it's reasonable to take into consideration their vice presidential choices because it's reasonable to assume that it's totally possible that even if there was no current signs of ill health that such could occur at any time while in office given the EXTREME STRESS that the President is under.  Stress very likely because of the secret knowledge that they are aware of from briefings about threats known to people in positions that need to know such verses the general public who go around blissfully ignorant of most threats around us or just how thin a line we all are walking each day/week.  The President does have a stressful job and thus their health, physical and mental, is and should be an issue of concern to all and of both candidates but the sad FACT is that of the two Hillary is the ONLY one that has demonstrated, observed, LOSS OF CONTROL of her abilities and has needed complete assistance.  If I don't openly question Trump then it's because such has not been observed regarding him.

Now regarding your statement "i can tell how you're worried about hillary's emails.. you've discussed them.. since you guys decided to scream 'benghazi'... how's that working for you?" It's not just her emails that concern me but more to the point her use, as Secretary of State, a high Government Official with access and briefings of America's TOP Classified secrets, and military information regarding what's going on with our Nation from day to day of a PRIVATE SERVER to contain her emails (personal & work related).    By using a personal server, maintained by someone WITHOUT security clearance she not only is putting information that is classified, secret, of National security merit, where people without that clearance to see such WILL likely certainly see it, by virtue of running and maintaining the server, but also that is very easily subject to being hacked by foreign entities hostile to our Government who would certainly not only have the ability to hack into her private server but would know to do so.  Given her position, as Secretary of State she should have known this was a threat.  No one knows if information on her server may have led to hostiles, terrorist, foreign entities knowing the state of the Benghazi security level or detail or if the Ambassador would be there that day or if request for beefed up security was being made and being rejected (which by the way was happening by Secretary Clinton, by her and/or her associates working directly for her).  There is no proof that such happened, that security was compromised or that Benghazi's attack was precipitated by information on her private server that got into the hands of hostiles but IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.  That my friend should worry and concern ALL OF US (Democrats, republicans or Independents).  She knew better, She did make a decision to go with a private server because Historically speaking and based in part on what people that know her and Bill have said, because she wanted to have the ability to keep some things secret, not from our Nation's adversaries but from those seeking freedom of information act FOIA access to what she was doing. 

Believe what you want but the chances are, based on all information available, and from WikiLeaks, that she knew it was illegal, people around her knew it was illegal and dangerous and most likely was used to facilitate getting around the conflicts of interest between the Clinton Foundation, Donors, and her job as Secretary of State and to keep all that secret from those seeking to find out about it through Freedom of Information subpoenas which would have had access and applied to a Government, State Department Server that would have been infinitely more secure than her private one.  Her desire for secrecy very likely did put National Security information, Secret Information, Classified information available to people who were NOT AUTHORIZED to see it.

That should concern you, me, and everyone else.  I care not for her emails about Chelsea's wedding, yoga, or the like but she was in a position to know better and it was no mistake but was deliberate and typical of what these people do and have done for years.  

Regarding Benghazi, that was under her command, it was her responsibility and she did fail in that regard.  It was under her that request for beefed up and added security (from the ambassador and others) was turned down repeatedly and it was Hillary that LIED to the American people about the cause of the Attack along with Obama.  It was Hillary who lied to the relatives of those killed at Benghazi and then who later accused the very same relatives of lying about what she said to them because she was trying to cover herself and what she did. 

Crash we still don't know (as a nation or people) where our President was during the attack, at the time of the attack which killed four or our citizens including an ambassador.  We don't know where he was, when he was told, how he was told, and more important what he did as a result and when he did it.  We don't know what Hillary did or when she knew but what we do know is SOMEONE gave a stand down order to troops standing ready to assist those under attack and counter attack those attacking our citizens and those defending them but they were ordered not to assist and to "stand down".  Even today we don't known who gave that order and given our day of ever knowing and suspicious media that is unfathomable and should concern many if not all Americans.  What we DO KNOW is for weeks Obama and Hillary openly lied about the cause of the attack, blaming it on an obscure YouTube video  that no one (not even the terrorist) knew about until they (Obama and Hillary) pointed to it as the cause of the attack.  This diversion or lie was sold by Hillary and Obama and their people that worked for them, at a time that they obviously knew better.  No one seems on wonder WHY they lied and they never paid a price for those lies, lies to the relatives of those killed at Benghazi and lies to the American people.  A sitting President who to this day we don't know when he knew about an attack on our Nation or what he did in response and when he did it?  That's unheard of and very disturbing to me and should be to you and others.  Now Hillary, one of those actors and those caught up in that, wants to be President so IT IS RELAVENT and should be on the mind of anyone thinking about the election.

Last you try and inject unproven accusations about Donald Trump and women and morph that into "Little Girls"  First of all Trump did have and speak in "men's course language" but he said nothing that most other men haven't and although wrong it's not actually acting on it.  As far as the accusations that he did something those haven't been proven and he's denied them.  Until it can be proven then no one should act on accusations that are made that are highly suspect as politically motivated.  Like Harry Reid saying Romney didn't pay taxes, someone told him, so he sold it as fact where later it was PROVEN as lies and when confronted that it was known to be Lies all Harry Reid would say in his defense is "Romney Lost didn't he".  Talk about violation of the Hatch Act!  This was blatant lying on the part of the Senate leader in order to affect an election and now you say we should crucify Trump because some women in the last hours of the election say something happened, Trump touched them.   What about the women that Bill Clinton, even as President, while President, RAPED, or had sex with?  Bill didn't just touch them he assaulted them, raped them without their permission, and although Bill isn't running Hillary facilitated Bill doing this by not confronting him on it, calling him on it, but in turn she ATTACKED the very women that Bill Attacked and she did it to protect Bill. 

Come on now Hillary's full of problems, you know it or should.  Democrats should know it and yet they put her up as their candidate.  WikiLeaks prove that the Democratic National Committee totally destroyed Bernie Sanders chances at ever beating her, they totally rigged it from the start and now it's evident they did so yet all this should be forgiven and forgot.   WikiLeaks prove that Hillary Cheated during the primary debates and  questions were provided by the, now, DNC chairperson, to Hillary who willingly took them and used them.  Provided by CNN, not just one debate for two or more.  Why do we not suspect the General election debates questions were not also leaked?   CHEATING .. Proven!   

WikiLeaks has PROVEN that Hillary's own top associates and helpers KNEW that the private server and emails were not only illegal but a problem and sought to delete them.  

I could go on forever because there is that much corruption here.  If you can't see it that's either you deciding to be blissfully ignorant with solid rose colored glasses, drinking the koolaid or just willing to accept anything if it means your candidate is elected.   There are many good democrats that could have been run and that could have been elected but Hillary is not a good Democratic candidate, not a good candidate and if you believe the very secret service agents that guarded her a very vulgar, not nice, terrible person to be around.  As for young kids it wasn't Trump that flew all those flights aboard a plane owned by and flown by a known convicted pedophile but Bill Clinton not only flew on these flights with this man, at the same time, but also flew to and stayed at his PRIVATE island where it has been proven young girls have been provided for this convicted pedophile's  friends.   Ever hear the national media ask Bill about those trips?  no!  nor will you but they happened.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...hillary-clinton.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016...reviously-known.html

Yes a recent, very recent, case says Trump flew on these planes and had contact with these girls and IF SO THEN HE SHOULD PAY THE PRICE but it has to be proven.  YES I SAID THAT.  HE should pay if guilty but at this point, given the timing, it appears it could be all politically motivated and false so until proven it's alleged and given the political season and risk it's very likely it's false as many law suits filed during the last of campaigns end up being.  After their damages and after the election then the suits are remarkably dropped.  Republicans AND Democrats do this all over the Nation and people should be held accountable who do such too.   So if Trump is guilty then impeach him, convict him.  BUT DON'T STOP THERE ... DO THE SAME TO BILL CLINTON!   If you choose to ONLY go after Trump while turning a blind eye to Bill Clinton you disqualify yourself for this conversation and prove yourself a hypocrite. 

Basically no one should put credence on any lawsuit or case filed in the last days of an election against any candidate, Democrat or Republican for most if not ALL are false and end up being politically motivated in order to attempt to destroy the candidate all while it's known they are false, just like when Harry Reid claimed he had a friend that said Mitt Romney didn't pay his taxes.  Harry Reid should have been convicted on violation of the Hatch Act and at least made to resign for it was PROVEN he lied knowingly in order to affect the outcome of an election and then he bragged about it.

With respect to Hillary and the current FBI Charges.  This is the Government charging her and for things that have been ongoing for years and not just come up and materialized at the end of a campaign.  If the FBI has info and proof on Donald Trump then they should and would come forward.  A democratically controlled Justice department holding back on Trump, right before an election?  I don't think so.  Doesn't pass the smell test.

So Crash I don't mean to demean you, hurt or harm you but at the same time the above is information that should prove to you and anyone that Hillary is a criminal, corrupt, flawed candidate that should not even be allowed to run and frankly the fact that she is the head of the democratic ticket proves that there is vast corruption at the top of the Democratic National Convention and Democrats should clean house and people should go to jail.  The Democratic party has been corrupted and taken over.  The last leader Shultz had to resign due to WikiLeaks information that convicted her and the current one, her replacement should also be cast aside for cheating during the debates.  The fact that Hillary is your candidate proves there is gross corruption and problems at the very top of the Democratic organization and the people should attempt to regain control.  

Crash, there are many good Democrats but sadly the Clintons are not among them nor have they ever been, from what it seems now.

A lot of words.

Crash.Override posted:

i'm with jt... your sources are quite sketchy. you have all these 'beliefs' that hillary is guilty of all kinds of dastardly deeds. the narrative you put forth shows you've bought hook line and sinker into the rt. wingnut narrative of hillary. you've spouted every 'party lie' in your support of an admitted sexual predator. i haven't 'morphed' any lawsuits into anything... i merely read the facts.  again, you're making a choice to vote for a man you wouldn't leave alone in a room with your children/grandchildren. so much for the 'family values' party.

 

here's a short list of the things done by trump and known associates...

well... we do have a case against trump for racketeering and fraud..

as well as a case against trump for rape of a minor

as well as an invesigation into his former campaign manager for his ties to russia

then, there's the new evidence that trump's campaign has had direct contact with the russian government

then there's the new PROOF of comey refusing to admit to the russians being the hackers... even while the rest of the intelligence community agreed... comey didn't think it was a good idea.. so close to the elections... can you say hatch act.

then, there's those dozen women accusing trump of sexual assault

then, there's that case of 'racial housing discrimination'

then, there's that time the new jersey gaming commission fined trump 200k for 'keeping black employees away' while his mafia buddy was at the casino.

then, there's the 'trump foundation' and it being shut down

then, there's the cuban embargo which trump ignored

 

so, the choice is a man who has proven he's mentally unstable. a rapist. sexual predator. cheat. conman. and you made that choice because .. hillary used the wrong email. and something MIGHT have happened.

btw, lots of people have used the 'wrong email'.. including colon powell.... i have yet to see the 'charges' leveled against him.

So essentially it's like this.  Someone says something about Hillary it's dismissed out of hand but statements about Trump are accepted without question. 

Consider that the Justice Department is RUN BY and Controlled by the Obama Administration and democrats as with Loretta Lynch, the appointed AG. 

IF Trump were guilty of your allegations no RATIONAL person would believe that he would have not been arrested and under indictment. 

Facts from well known sources including the New York Times have indicated that there is no ties proven or showing between Trump and Russia for what that even means.  ALSO PROOF is that the investigation into the Clinton Foundation and potential illegal activities has been put on HOLD with investigators being told to stand down, by Loretta Lynch.

Most people are rational and have reasonable intelligence so I will defer to their judgments and conclusion regarding the I said, you said, allegations listed above.  I have said if Trump is guilty of any of the things alleged then prosecute him and I'll be the first to condemn him and announce his guilt but these are nothing but shallow allegations made at the 12th hour of a campaign thus have to be taken for what they appear to be.  There are enough Extremely BIASED networks out there that if there was legitimate evidence of any of them then it would be STORY ONE for 24/7 ... but it's not!

Interesting that YOU however have absolutely no condemnation of Hillary even worse you believe she is totally innocent of everything.  Again I defer to the majority of the forum to make their own determinations.

On practically everything then we agree to disagree.   Also be advised that the ONLY person with a proven record of abuses and forced rape against women is Bill Clinton and not Trump, Hillary is running not Bill but Hillary is known to have protected and taken active parts in attempts to destroy the women that Bill attacked.  What is mostly evident by listening to those who decry Trump and condemn Trump is that they appear to have Gullibility without end and take 100% of what they are told or read from extremely biased sources without questioning of them.    Let it also be understood I have not called you a "nut" or taken to calling you names or impugning you, something you seem to have no qualm about doing to those with opposing opinions or positions to you. 

Also your statement, such as: "again, you're making a choice to vote for a man you wouldn't leave alone in a room with your children/grandchildren. so much for the 'family values' party." prove you to be extremely a biased judgmental person making statements about totally unproven if not defamation (regarding Trump).  I would suggest when making debate or engaging in arguments you attempt to do things that strengthen your own position rather than things that tend to disqualify you from being rationally considered.

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hahahaha.. the fbi cleared hillary... a republican put in by bush said there was no prosecutor would pursue charges. and yet, i'm only looking at it 'bias'.... gotcha.

every day someone questions why trump's racketeering and rape isn't on the news 24/7... trump has two upcoming court dates.. i guess the judges are 'bias' and only let these cases go forward to 'hurt trump'. those judges can't be rational people. nope. no way. they may be of latino decent and just out to get trump. if you're looking for 'rational people' , this forum is the LAST place you should look.

if your 'point' requires a 'conspiracy theory' to be made... you've already lost.

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Crash.Override posted:

hahahaha.. the fbi cleared hillary... a republican put in by bush said there was no prosecutor would pursue charges. and yet, i'm only looking at it 'bias'.... gotcha.

every day someone questions why trump's racketeering and rape isn't on the news 24/7... trump has two upcoming court dates.. i guess the judges are 'bias' and only let these cases go forward to 'hurt trump'. those judges can't be rational people. nope. no way. they may be of latino decent and just out to get trump. if you're looking for 'rational people' , this forum is the LAST place you should look.

if your 'point' requires a 'conspiracy theory' to be made... you've already lost.

One more time,  Have you been watching the news, any major outlet, over the last weekend?  Comey reopened the investigation fully and not only on emails but also the Clinton Foundation.  My prediction is if Trump wins and appoints any major Attorney General then watch out Democrats for there will be a honorable Attorney General who will prosecute the total criminal corruption without issuing a ton of pardons or giving immunity.  In fact I predict that it will be like rats off a sinking (Hillary) ship if Trump wins as the guilty try and position themselves for immunity against what most likely will be certain prosecution of not only the Clinton foundation but breeches in National Security.   Those assisting Hillary now and covering for her will, if Trump is elected, will be seeking cover and looking for protection for themselves because they will know a new "honest" Sherriff is in town and that the old rules have changed.  Their gravy train has come to an end.

I may be wrong but we'll see.   Will be interesting to see your take on it if all that transpires, as well.    BTW ... that statement "no reasonable prosecutor would take the case", was grossly inaccurate for there are plenty that want to take it but are waiting to see if they can be given the chance.   I look for Trump's Attorney General to be either Christy or Giuliani either of which would gladly go after Clinton and Washington Corruption as fast as they could.  I personally hope it's Giuliani because Christy has soiled himself with that "Bridgegate" issue in New Jersey where I do believe he had input in stopping traffic in retaliation for a mayor not supporting him.  I think this should disqualify him from being Attorney General so see I can be critical of people that I support ... something that seemingly evades  you like the plague.  You know that really crazy thing is that your own crooked politicians are laughing at you behind your back at just how gullible you are to their corruption.  They feed off it and count on it for their own survival.  Sorry but I'll keep my eyes open.

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Crash

Honestly, I cannot fathom how anyone could vote for Hillary "no offense". I know Trump has some short comings and has been accused of some things most conveniently recent and while some may have merit most are questionable.   Hillary on the other hand has far more past accusations and the current revelations of cheating, lying, deceit and trying to rig a election are too much to ignore.  The DNC also by passing questions for debates, paying people to go try to make Tump and his supporters look bad and the terror they unleashed on people just trying to go to a political rally.  This stuff is just to much for me to overlook and honestly I find hard for anyone too. 

first.. nobody has had to 'try to make trump look bad'.. he's great at that, on his own.

if hillary is half as 'slick and deceitful' as the republicans think..  america will take over the world in the next 4 years. how over a dozen women can claim the same story.. and be totally ignored or have their motives questioned because it's an 'election cycle'. i can't figure out how an admitted sexual predator became the spokesman for the 'family values' party. i find it hard to overlook and honestly , i find it hard for anyone to.

Crash.Override posted:

James Comey said she was "extremely careless" but didn't do anything that rises to the level of prosecutable.

 

Comey said that moments before testifying . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FkvclWWpU

The preceding play is under further review. 

Finding Secretary of States official communications on  Carlos Danger's pedophilic computer . . . Don't get many second chances like this one.

 

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Crash.Override posted:

can you provide a link to bill's campaign? i didn't think he was running for public office... trump, on the other hand, is running for public office. the office of president. so, in your words.. bill is worse than the man who you wish to put in the oval office. gotcha.

No Bill is not running the person who protected him is and knew he was a sexual predator and actively tired to destroy the women who had been victimized.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016...reviously-known.html

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HIFLYER2 posted:
Crash.Override posted:

can you provide a link to bill's campaign? i didn't think he was running for public office... trump, on the other hand, is running for public office. the office of president. so, in your words.. bill is worse than the man who you wish to put in the oval office. gotcha.

No Bill is not running the person who protected him is and knew he was a sexual predator and actively tired to destroy the women who had been victimized.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016...reviously-known.html

gotcha ........

 It is extremely unfortunate, but I honestly do believe Hillary will win come Tuesday.   The gullibility of a great number of voters who except things with blind allegiance is not the bulk of the reason Hillary will win. 

 Hillary will win solely because of Hispanic voters and their growing numbers over the last year's  and the fact that they will credit Democrats for opening this country up to the illegals 

 I doubt it will ever be known how many illegals cast ballots in the election however I do believe the Democrats have it won solely based on Hispanic voters primarily in states like Florida.    Not that Hispanic voters will totally put Hillary in the White House but along with the bulk vote of most Black Americans,  Who vote Democratic without question,  her election will be all but assured.  

 So I do agree with crash that the election is all but won.   But it will be a totally sad day for democracy,   And my hopes are that justice will eventually prevail  and the criminality of this family will not go unpunished,  or unrevealed.

I am extremely enthused and happy to say and admit that I was wrong.  Thankfully enough caring Americans outnumbered the influx of voting illegals and Latinos, in Florida, and chose Donald J. Trump to be their next President over Hillary ROTTEN Clinton.  

I fully believe that Democrats only have to look in the mirror to find the root cause for America making that decision.  Americans' were horrified to see the enormous increases in Democratic Healthcare and quite likely it was the Obamacare healthcare bill that woke people up.  People were also concerned that Hillary would make the Supreme Court eternally political rather than choosing a new judge based upon how a judge should be chosen. 

In the debates, when ask about how they would choose a Supreme Court judge Clinton mentioned various causes that the judge would have to believe as she does but Trump correctly indicated he would choose someone based upon their respect for the Constitution.  That's the answer.  A judge that rules based upon the Constitution rather than the current breeze in the air and what is politically expedient for the moment.

 

Crash.Override posted:

trump is giving up on inauguration day?

You're a dam loser crash, please don't ever never get over it.

I watched your nappy take the country down to lowest point
it has ever been bar none. For the last eight year, he failed at
every turn. He, the beast, joe biteme and kerry are the biggest
laughing stocks the world over, you can't think of one good thing
your boy did for the betterment of this country.
 
Besides iran, wait ,, what...??   raghead benedict Arnold mobumboi

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